Yesterday's performance leaves us questioning Quinn's ability to consistently prepare for game day. While the pocket wasn't as comfortable as it was against Detroit, Quinn had time to throw. He was sacked only once, on a corner blitz that looked like something he should have been able to exploit with a hot read (one of at least two hot reads Quinn looked to have missed). They say it takes just as much time to throw an accurate pass as it does to throw a bad one; that it's just a matter of focus. But Quinn's receivers were routinely coming open on the short routes, and Quinn routinely misfired. Three different passes to an open Chansi Stuckey in the second quarter essentially killed three different drives. A misplaced throw to Cribbs on 3rd and 6 almost killed another in the third. And there were at least three occasions in the second half where the ball wasn't thrown within 15 yards of an apparently-targeted Mohamed Massaquoi, one of these coming on a key 3rd and 3 in the fourth quarter.* It was brutal to watch, as noted several times by CBS color-man Rich Gannon.
It was encouraging to see the receivers coming open, not as freely as they did in Detroit, but definitely much more so than in the previous weeks. The insertion of Stuckey and tight ends Greg Estandia and Michael Gaines into the game plan seems to have a lot to do with this.
The "where is Brian Robiskie" question is easily answered by the fact that Robiskie, at least at this early stage in his career, is simply no Chansi Stuckey. No doubt that Mangini would love to get the second round pick in the game, but the improvement in the Browns ability to move the ball with Stuckey having replaced Robiskie in the game plan is apparent.
In Quinn's defense, the CBS crew counted seven dropped passes by the end of the fourth quarter, but while Stuckey and Estandia were clear culprits at least once each, most of the drops seemed to result from Quinn's inaccuracy in the short passing game where it's harder for the receivers to adjust.
The worst call of the day by the Browns? On 4th and six inches on the first play in the fourth quarter, the Browns went to a spread formation. The Bengals didn't buy it, and went even tighter with their defensive formation. In any event, it's hard to understand why you'd take the running backs away on a play like that. The Browns were lucky to get the first there.
Others have called the second series of the 4th quarter into question, a series consisting of three consecutive failed short passes to Josh Cribbs. The Browns were buried on their own ten yard line there, with a Joe Thomas penalty complicating things further. Buried like that, with Quinn's having established his inability to accomplish anything himself, it doesn't seem like such a crazy plan to run screen passes to safely get the ball in the hands of the team's supposedly most-explosive player.
The biggest problem there might be that Cribbs' head didn't at all seem to be in the game. He almost cost the Browns dearly on the opening kickoff by forgetting to down the ball in the end zone, and while the Bengals were kicking away from him, there was at least one playable punt that Cribbs passed on (the one we're thinking of might even have been the one that buried the Browns on the aforementioned drive). Cribbs' lackluster effort on the field was corroborated by his demeanor off of it, as he was repeatedly caught scowling on the sidelines by the CBS cameras. It's likely that frustration over his contract and the rebuilding year is getting to him, but that doesn't change the fact that he looked like a loser yesterday, and only called into further question the wisdom of forking over significant money to a special teams ace. If his game day attitude is so easily affected, what happens once he gets paid? In a game where one big play would have made all the difference for the Browns, this all comes off even worse.
As for the defense, we're not sure it was such a bad show. We hear about the team being gashed by the Bengals' rushing attack, but that attack's been established as one of the best in the league. Short of the horse-collar penalty on Shaun Rogers, the Browns held Cincinnati to less than two touchdowns, which should have been enough to win. And there's no question that Cincinnati's rushing attack was given a boost by the demoralizing Browns offense that punted on every one of its possessions but two (one of those two being on the Browns' last drive of the game). With Rogers now lost for the year with a broken ankle, and Kenyon Coleman, Kamerion Wimbley, and Brodney Pool suffering injuries yesterday as well, it's not likely to be pretty with the Chargers and Steelers coming to town in consecutive weeks. Of course, the injuries will at least let Mangini get a better look at some of what else he has on the roster, and it seems like that's what this season has been all about anyway.
As for other better looks, the defense also reminds us that this team has enough holes that it doesn't seem necessary to draft a new quarterback with Quinn already signed up for next season, so we agree with McManamon that he'll get another year. Performances like yesterday's next year though, and he probably won't get another.
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*There was at least one key third down in the fourth quarter, so that's good.
Thanks to Joshua Gunter and The Plain Dealer for the photo.
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I'm very concerned with Quinn's lack of accuracy. Receivers were plenty open at times yesterday. At times, throws to the back shoulder, or front shoulder or any shoulder would have moved the chains. Instead, an inaccurate ball led to a drop pass and a punt.
In addition, yesterday's game further illustrated my disgust with the Browns 2009 draft. The Browns No. 36 overall pick was a health scratch — again — while the Bengals second-round pick, linebacker Rey Maulauaga, is starting and making an impact.
Thanks for the confirmation on Quinn.
I hated the Robiskie pick when it was made myself, but let's not write off an entire draft based on one bad pick. And however bad the pick missed, there were good reasons to make it, including Robiskie's character, his local connections, and the consensus, however much of a joke it's turned out to be, that Robiskie was the most NFL ready receiver in the draft. Drafting isn't an exact science, and at least Mack, Massaquoi, Maiava, and Davis all look like they'll turn out as solid pros.
I agree that Quinn's inaccuracy was the story. But why are we attributing that inaccuracy to Quinn's failure to prepare? Being accurate is a talent so why can't we acknowlege that Quinn might lack that talent? Against Baltimore, both interceptions resulted from short passes that the receivers deflected into the air because the throws weren't on the money. That critical 3rd down in the Detroit game was also a short pass that went astray.
I don't know...I tend to think of "talent" as things like arm strength and speed. If you can throw the ball, I think you can learn to throw it accurately if you practice enough.
Also, my above comment was a little too harsh on the Robiskie pick, if only because there's a chance that he gets better next year. You know what they say about rookie wide receivers.
I refuse to say that Quinn doesn't have the talent because (insert excuse here).
Did anyone see the photos of Grady nude? what did you think of all this?
There's really nothing else to say at this point. The coaching is hall of fame caliber. The play calling is spot on in every situation. Every player pre-Mangini is a bum. Every player that Mangini has brought in is stellar. Cribbs shows emotion and he's a loser. Going for it on fourth down is the right call and not going for it on fourth down in the same drive is the right call. The defense isn't bad every week the other team just has better players. This season is about looking at every player on the roster, plus every special teams caliber player that is cut by every other team, except the Browns high draft picks. They we don't need to look at.
Did I miss anything?
And never before has anyone written the sentence (insert player's name) is no Chansi Stuckey. Not even Chansi Stuckey's mother could write that with a straight face.
This baggy (brown) pants farce can't end soon enough.
So did you think the pictures of Grady were good? What are your thoughts on this steamy subject.
"Going for it on fourth down is the right call and not going for it on fourth down in the same drive is the right call."
There's a big difference between 4th and 1 and 4th and 3, situationally speaking. Especially the way Quinn was playing yesterday. The Browns got the ball right back from the Bengals after punting there.
Cribbs "showed emotion." He also played like crap. Even the pass to Quinn was underthrown. Not hard to put 2 and 2 together.
How come no one is discussing Grady's steamy pics he took. Discuss.
One bone with your Joe Pos argument:
It’s especially bad with Mangini having come out of New York where it looks more than anything else like he was made the fall guy in a shortsighted “win-now/please the media” approach that just kills NFL franchises, and to which franchises in New York are especially susceptible due to the large audience.
I don't think New York teams are any more susceptible to this than other teams (outside of expanded resource), but it gets written a lot more when it happens (t)here.
What was the harm in going for it on 4th and 3? With Daboll's vaunted R2P2 offense, the Browns should be able to get three yards in their sleep. The team only crossed the 50 twice all game, the odds were that they weren't going to do it again.
Take a chance. What are you afraid of, dropping to 1-10 on the season? Too late. Just another silly series of play calls in a never ending joke of a season.
So Cribbs has a bad day and he's a "loser?" Seriously? He's the guy to single out for name calling?
Bryan, I think teams in New York are more susceptible by definition, because there's so much more money at stake. More papers and jerseys to sell.
Pullo, agree to disagree on the punt. The Browns offense was sputtering, they pinned Cinci, and got the ball right back.
Re: Cribbs, I said he looked like a loser scowling on the sidelines. He looked like somebody who let the fact that he was feeling sorry for himself affect his performance on the field. Not somebody I want to throw millions at. Anyone can keep his head up when things are going well.
I had to listen to the game on the radio, so I didn't see it live. But, if you want further support for Quinn's inaccuracy, the Bengals' radio announcers were incredulous as to how bad he was. If anything, it sounds like Gannon was underestimating the inaccuracy based on what they were saying.
I mean, I guess the Giants did that with Eli... but the Falcons did the same thing with Vick. The Jets brought in Favre... but the Cardinals brought in Emmitt Smith. The Rangers brought in star after star and it didn't work... just like the Yankees. Oops, that one doesn't quite work. The Knicks did do this, but now they're deliberately avoiding it.
So yeah... I guess you're right.
Maiava and Davis look like they will be solid pros??? davis was demolished when he played against 1st team opposition..
maiava is also part of a group that is LAST in nearly every defensive category, so who knows what sort of pro he is..
and how does veuikune get left off your list? he was the 52nd pick of the draft and he can't even make it on the field either..
thank god the GM got fired, cuz the early returns are HORRIBLE
with the injuries to big baby and most likely having brodney done for the year (and possibly career), we will most likely lose out...
#1 pick here we come!
so who is going to make the picks?? looks like holmgren is going back to seattle..
Was anyone else troubled by the fact another team's castoff immediately came onto our D and more of an impact than any other LB?
For the love of god give it a rest....Quinn stinks plain and simple. There where whispers about his accuracy coming out of ND, and that is why he dropped in the draft. You guys want Quinn to be the guy so bad that it is blinding reality. Quinn, or the obsession with Quinn is the reason this team took steps backwards after 07 instead of forward. He should have been traded then, the team should have built around DA and if DA did not work out then they would hbave had a talented team for the next QB. Instead they gave up a ton to get Quinn, he can't play, and there is no way to recoup what was lost. Trading Quinn after the 07 season may have brought some help on defense, but instead we gave up a second rounder and spent a first rounder on a guy who can not play. They would have to dumber than they have been over the years to give Quinn another year. He is not a rookie, he has had three years of meetings,scouting reports, practices and coaching and this is where he is. Give it a rest already.....geez.....
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