Those who can look past the team's record and understand that Mangini's job is to affect the long-term reversal of the effects of a decade of shortsighted mismanagement might be especially encouraged by the signs this team has shown in recent weeks.
The Plain Dealer's Tony Grossi wrote after yesterday's game of "a newfound feel of togetherness," and a Browns team that "can't wait to get back on the field."
Grossi quoted Browns LB David Bowens:
I was proud of the guys . . . We showed a lot of character by coming back and staying with it. We fought through a lot of adversity.And safety Nick Sorenson,
Today, I felt like we banded together even more.The PD's Mary Kay Cabot quoted RB Jerome Harrison along the same lines:
I think everyone executed their positions, did their jobs and we're coming together as a unit, . . . This is a strong group of men in this locker room, all 53 of them. We play together and play for the other guys in this locker room. We don't care what the score is or what our record is. We have enough respect for each other to go out there and play.It would be easy enough for a 1-10 team to quit on the season, but these words as well as the action on the field in recent weeks prove that these Browns have not, and indicate that the organization is pointed in the right direction. Several recent developments, when viewed alongside the team's recent performance, show not only that the Browns' had to be torn down before being properly rebuilt, but also that the worst part of the "tear-down" phase might now be substantially complete:
Addition by Subtraction: First, there was the painful but necessary trades of the team's two most physically-talented players, top draft picks Kellen Winslow Jr. and Braylon Edwards. Both of these players, especially Braylon, clearly demonstrated a me-first attitude that necessarily undermined Mangini's effort to get the individual members of the Browns to buy into something bigger than themselves. The richest and most decorated players in a locker room also tend to be the room's most dominant personalities. It's impossible to install a "team-first" culture when "me-first" guys like Edwards and Winslow dominate the room.
There's no question that losing Braylon and K2 dramatically reduced the team's ability to compete in the short term, but the team's performance in recent weeks has shown that the receivers left in place have been steadily adjusting; to the NFL in the case of rookies Robiskie and Massaquoi, and all of the receivers to their new roles in the offense. Of course, the cap space and draft picks accumulated in the Edwards and Winslow trades will allow the Browns to further upgrade the receiving corps in the off-season.
Resolution of the QB Question: It's enough to say here that Mangini's task in settling on a starting quarterback for 2009 and into the future has been complicated by Derek Anderson's status as a 2007 Pro Bowl selection and teammate favorite, as well as a certain $11 million dollar incentive clause in Brady Quinn's contract. There's no question that what the team has gone through in resolving this question hasn't been pretty, but the "Derek or Brady" question has finally been settled. And in the four weeks since, while Quinn has yet to show week-to-week consistency, he's turned in the two best performances of his career. With the exception of a bumpy start on an ugly Monday Night against the Ravens, the improvement in the team's offensive performance has been undeniable. One might be especially impressed with Quinn here given that he's working with a unit that SI's Peter King criticized just last week as "[wideouts who] can't catch."
New Players in the Passing Game: Related to both Quinn's emergence as the starting QB and the receivers adjusting to roles that were undefined in in the wake of Winslow's and Edwards' departures, the improved offensive output since the ugly Monday Night against the Ravens is due in large part to the insertion of new pass-catching personnel into the game plan. Specifically, the insertion of veteran Chansi Stuckey into the rotation and the replacement of the stone-handed Robert Royal with a rotating group of pass-catching tight ends including Michael Gaines, Greg Estandia, and most recently and encouragingly, Evan Moore, who caught six passes yesterday for 80 yards. In this way, and especially with respect to the new tight ends, Mangini and Brian Daboll have tailored the offense to Brady Quinn's abilities.
Resolution of the RB Question: While not as often discussed as the QB question, many wondered why Jamal Lewis had been receiving so many carries at the expense of young running backs Jerome Harrison and Chris Jennings. The answer to this question was complicated by Lewis's status as a veteran locker-room leader, but that complication was removed last week on the news that Lewis would miss the rest of the season due to a head injury. The fresh legs of Harrison and Jennings played a big part in the offense's season-best performance, as did their pass-catching abilities.
Of course, none of this means that there still isn't a lot of work to do. But each of these developments helps to show the magnitude and complexity of the task before Mangini when he arrived, and helps to explain both why things might have had to get as ugly as they did this season, and why Browns fans might be especially encouraged by the recent modest turnaround.
With the defense decimated by injuries and the Steelers coming to town in four days to fight for their playoff lives, we might see things get ugly again shortly. After losing to the Raiders yesterday, we can be sure that the Steelers won't be sleeping on the Browns like the Chargers might have been. Folks have called this Thursday's matchup the 2009 Browns' Super Bowl. But win or lose, there's no question that Brady Quinn can accomplish a lot by proving on Thursday that he can show up as an NFL quarterback for two consecutive games.
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Other Browns-related notes:
Alex Mack -- was lauded by a member of the CBS crew that called yesterday's game who noted that Mack is the only rookie who's started at center in the NFL this season and that he's "having an excellent season."
Josh Cribbs -- looked like he got over whatever was bothering him last week, or at least was able to set it aside to focus on playing football. It might be that he realized the embarrassment that his agent J.R. Rickert created for him by recent public statements Rickert made on Cribbs' behalf. Relatedly, Brett Favre threw a touchdown pass to Percy Harvin with 80 seconds remaining in last night's Vikings/Cardinals game and the Vikings down by a score of 30-10. Rickert "can't put into words how upset he is with [Vikings coach Brad Childress] for leaving [Favre and Harvin] in like that."
Brian Robiskie -- noted yesterday that "he might be one of several young players finally figuring out the pro game." He also figured out that sometimes it's a good idea for a person to talk with his boss, and mentioned that Coach Mangini has "been pretty open to guys stopping by all season," and that "[Mangini's] door has always been open.''
Patrick McManamon -- did a nice job using perfect 20/20 hindsight to show that those who've led the Browns in recent years could have made some better decisions. This gives us extra reason to be thankful that we now have a coach who is building for long-term success.
Rey Maualuga -- would not have helped against Antonio Gates yesterday.
Ndamukong Suh -- would look great in Orange and Brown. We'd be fine with not getting Eric Berry if we ended up with Suh instead. More on this later this week.
And more on other things later, including Monday Night football.
Thanks to Joshua Gunter and The Plain Dealer for the photo.


42 comments:
Are you F'ing kidding me? did you watch the end of the game last night. The Vikings were not running trick plays with seconds left on the clock like Mangina had the Browns doing. Also, Moore dropped a pass that hit him square in his head. but hey he had a sweet game. didn't he? my god.
I have to ask what you think the chances are that a respectable GM candidate will agree to come to Cleveland with the notion that Mangini is still going to be the coach?
Don't you think that keeping Mangini will cut the field of candidates at least in half? Especially after they saw what happened to George?
If keeping Mangini means we miss on several good or even great GM candidates do you think it's worth it to keep him?
Do you think it will be easy to sell a 1-15 or 2-14 team to season ticket holders heading into next season with Mangini still at the helm?
Moore: That's an interesting distinction you make between the last 60 seconds of a game, and the last 80 seconds of a game. It's also an interesting idea that "trick" plays are more likely to get a player injured than any other kind of play. It's also interesting to call a "lateral" such a "tricky" play. No wonder Cribbs fired you as his agent.
Ryan: Things like season ticket sales go up and down. If this is the trough of a rebuilding project, I don't think it should bother anyone too much if they go down next season because they'll go right back up if the team continues to show progress next season. Worrying too much about next-season's ticket sales is exactly what's been wrong with the Browns for the last 10 years.
And no, I'm not very concerned that the team won't be able to find someone credible to come and work with Mangini. Credible candidates will be able to look past the media-manufactured BS that so many others have such a hard time with. I'd love to know who's on your list, by the way. You probably want Cowher, Shanahan, or Holmgren, three names who I'm not interested in, as explained here last week. Do you have any other names in mind?
The thing is, I would bet the Browns are going to just try to find the best person for the job. When they find that person, whoever that is, they won't be asking if that person wants to work with Mangini—that'll be their decision. I also think that's the right way to go. If Mangini can't convince the GM that he should keep his job, why should he get to stay?
I hope and pray Bill Parcells feels like he's got enough in him to work one more miracle.
You might be right, Bryan, but I'm not sure that's the way it's going to go down. It's Lerner's decision in the end, and he's been strongly supportive of Mangini in his public comments, talking a lot about Mangini's long term vision, etc. I can see Lerner bringing someone in on the understanding that Mangini gets at least two more years.
Nowhere is it set in stone that a GM-type must have the power to fire the coach. That said, if Mangini really deserved to lose his job, a good GM-type would be able to convince Lerner that that was the case.
To put it another way, I would be surprised if anyone who the Browns conclude is "the best person for the job," wasn't someone coming in with a vision that's consistent with Mangini's. I think that person would have a hard time convincing Lerner that Mangini should be fired anytime soon having come in on that general understanding.
Fair enough. Good points.
since when is a guy drafted in the 7th round in 2007 considered a "veteran"??? especially one with a grand total of 47 catches and 4 TD's in 44 games..
and btw, these guys that are performing well are the same guys who you basically called low-talent players who we should not expect to be able to run the routes correctly, catch and throw the ball, yet now because of mangini's great coaching skills and long-term vision they are overachieving (even in a loss?)
has it ever occurred to you that these guys are being advised by their agents to perform at as high of a level as possible and say the right things so that they can be gainfully employed next season either with the browns or somewhere else in the NFL??? we are in a recession afterall, not sure how many 9-5 jobs there will be for Evan Moore (even though he is Stanford educated).
and are you really just sweeping away the last 10 years like there was no direction with the team?? please. we have to be one of the most unlucky teams in the history of the NFL with all the injuries we've sustained, particularly during the savage/romeo years. and the bad luck continued this year with a rash of injuries, which may or may not be from mangini overworking his players.
and when the heck are you going to do a post on GM candidates??? i think all fans can agree that the priority for next season is to upgrade the talent on this team and to maximize the ROI of the 2010 draft.
"Are you really just sweeping away the last 10 years like there was no direction with the team??"
Yes, I am. A decade like that doesn't happen by accident.
And yes, I do think that the cohesiveness of this ragtag bunch of pass-catchers is testament to Mangini's coaching ability. How could you not? It's already been conclusively proven by the Frownie Challenge that no team in NFL history has been able to do more with less. Of course, the continued development of the rookies has helped.
And even though I find the suggestion to be ridiculous, even if the players are playing hard because their agents are telling them to, the point is that they're playing hard.
What a funny thing to say, though. They're playing hard because their agents are telling them to. I realize that what's going on with these Browns as shown yesterday must be hard for a Mangini hater to deal with.
And yeah, I'm not really worked up about the GM. They'll bring in someone competent, I'm sure. I'm also confident that even if they don't, Mangini is going to work his tail off to nail the offseason, and he'll be substantially aided by having spent a full season with the team and will know much more about how best to fill its many holes.
It's interesting and encouraging that so many are so conspicuously silent about the Browns today, by the way.
you're right, they don't need their agents to tell them to play hard so that they could have a job next season.
you can't have it both ways frownie.. you can't say that when they play well it's cause they got coached up.. and that when they play bad for the entire season that none of the responsibility falls on the coach. WHICH ONE IS IT?????? can't have it both ways flip-flopper.
not worried about the gm and that you're sure they will pick the right one??? HAHAHAHA really? this from the guy who has time after time after time after time ridiculed the football acumen of randy lerner???? PLEASE
re: silence. a 2PM post might have something to do with it..
and what exactly are you so excited about?? the nearly 500 yards allowed? and that we moved the ball against an injury plagued defense as well? (good call again on making your pick because of the injury depleted chargers d).
we were down 27-7. and the chargers were not scared whatsoever and they definitely let the foot off the pedal, but stepped it up when they had to. you play to win the game, not dig yourselves in a big hole and then back door cover against some prevent defense.
can we at least see some back-to-back performances of consistency before we give mangini coach of the year??? and if we don't see consistency are you going to use the excuse that we don't have talent again??? or is it the coaching???
I'm not having it both ways. The point is, as explained in detail in this post, is that it's easy to understand why things have taken so long to get the substandard talent to perform as well as it is, given the QB situation, the youth of the receivers, the Lewis situation, etc. It's just as much a matter of finding the best way to work the substandard talent into the game plan as it is coaching anything up.
And yes, as concerned as I am with Lerner's ability to find a good GM, I'm less concerned now that he's gotten lucky enough to have Mangini sent his way from the Jets, because now whoever he brings in is likely to be someone who shares Mangini's long-term vision.
i think he's gotta win 1 if not 2 more games for him to come back.. it seems to me that bringing him back after a 1-15 season will be tough. especially when they could only fill 50% of the stadium and only 10K people there after halftime. that can't be fun for lerner to see.
his vision of developing his rookies and QB?? start, bench, inactive, start.. yep, that sure is some consistency there if you ask me!
Blah blah blah re: start bench inactive: The point is that the offense has gotten better every week, and especially since certain complicated situations were resolved.
And as said here already, blah blah blah re: a short term decrease in ticket sales.
Again, I realize you're struggling today with your Mangini hate. It might be better for you to do that today in private.
offense has gotten better every week??? what about last week??????? you call that getting better?? yes, they played well yesterday, even though most of it came after the chargers were up big and were too worried about keeping their southern cali behinds warm.
CONSISTENCY IS THE NAME OF THE GAME! with all the injuries to the steelers, if we don't see this group step up and perform like the did this past week, than your points will be rendered meaningless. improvement means improvement, not down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, up, down, up performances.
DID YOU NOT WATCH MOORE DROP THE PASS THAT HIT HIM IN HIS EFFING HEAD???????????? HOW IS THAT HAVING A GOOD GAME BY A RECEIVER WHEN THE BALL HITS YOU IN YOUR HEAD???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Can we please focus on the momentous occasion that is set upon us by recent developments, most notably, the Four straight losses for the Great Satan? We are on the precipice of history here and if that facemask grabbing acorn-stuffing, terrible excuse for an Asian isn't playing, we may just have a chance!!! I'm dead serious when I say Mangini will have my undying adulation and devotion and this season is a resounding success if this happens. That being said, We'll probably still get taken out to the woodshed, but hopefully it's entertaining.
I want a PTI episode with Frowns and Biki, with the following docket:
Mangini
Mangini
Mangini
Mangini
Mangini
Mangini
Mangini
Role Play
Mangini
Mangini
Mangini
Mangini
Clowns
Mangini
Big Finish
hey b, i've suggested to frownies to write about potential GM candidates, the cavs, etc, but he continues to stick with the pro-mangini talk. maybe that's why the comments are down.
Frowns,
I actually don't have any candidates in mind for GM. I doubt any of the "big fish" will want to come here at this point. I was just curious to hear your take on how forcing Mangini on the new GM would work out. Thanks.
Hey Pitt is for my manlove!!! Go to some Steeler blog and quit trolling our cleveland blog! No Steeler fans are welcome here so go back to where you came from and go root for that dirty player Hines Ward.
Dear Mr. Troll,
Congratulations. By reading this post, you are confirming to the world that you are average-looking at best. Furthermore, if you choose to respond to this post, you are confirming to the world that you have enormous moobs with silver dollar nips. That is all.
It will be interesting to see how the rest of the year pans out, the players are still playing hard for mangini, which is a sign that he is doing something right. Most of the younger players are improving week to week, which is all you can ask for in the situation they are in. Im still with Frowner on this one, you have to give him at least one more year, unless players start to quit on him in the final game--Something that I have not seen from this team at all.
Tom- Moore did drop that pass, but then came back and made a hell of a grab the next play...he is young and those things are expected- a lot different than a guy like Braylon doing those types of things.
Lenny,
I agree. Expecting Moore to catch EVERY pass just a few days after being promoted from the practice squad would be like expecting Pete to compete with WFNY. Just not going to happen.
Just kidding!
i don't see how any of these players on our current roster are in any position to quit. and again, i think the media and fans make too much of the term "quitting on the coach". these guys are paid to play the game and are only as good as their last play. not too many GM's are excited about bringing in players who "quit" on their team.
and where was the use of jerome harrison earlier in the season??? this long-term vision had jamal playing this whole time instead of trying to develop a back for next season in harrison? mangenious!
Whenever I'm having a rough day at work I know I can always stop by here for a good laugh.
Yep, this team is coming together. Just give them some time - say another 7 or 8 years - and they may actually win a game.
While losing 30-23 is better than losing 30-3 (can some losses be better than others?), scoring a couple of late TDs when half the Chargers are already on the bus to the airport doesn't make me all warm and fuzzy.
I am happy to see Quinn start to slowly look more comfortable and competent (relative to Anderson) in the pocket. Makes you wonder how much better he could have been if the coaches would have picked a starting 11 in training camp - when the games don't matter - and worked on installing the new system, letting the players get their timing down, etc. rather than the circus they put on. You know, like a real NFL team does.
I don't know why you keep referring to Quinn's incentives, the coach said he was not aware of those when he made his decision to sit Quinn. And we know what an upstanding, honest individual Mangini is - just ask George Kokinis. Another example of wanting it both ways.
Yes, that pass catching trio of tight ends is really going to keep opposing defenses up all night.
And I think that every viable GM candidate stopped taking the Browns calls in January once they learned Mangini was on board says something.
At the end of the day, it's just more of the same. It's always someone else's fault (players, media, fans) and the team is improving in ways that are unseen by human eyes.
But in the end it's another loss on Coach Fredo's resume, which just gets worse as each week goes on.
Believe me if you have talent anyone will want you....Look at TO he quit on Philadelphia and Dallas...Buffalo signs him quickly, GM's sign talent and skill. Randy Moss quit on his team in Oakland and he was signed again and is having a successful career. Not sure how you dont believe players can quit on a team.
So Losing 59-0 to a team and then the next week losing 3-0 is the same thing? That makes no sense what so ever.
yes Lenny, that is why i said that no one on this roster is in a position to quit. is there a randy moss on this team?
Neither does "improving in ways that are unseen by human eyes."
Like I said, the Mangini haters are really struggling today. Understandable.
Would love a source for this incredible statement, though: "[E]very viable GM candidate stopped taking the Browns calls in January once they learned Mangini was on board says something."
Every one, huh? Who was the crackerjack reporter who chased all of this down? I'm interested.
Not sure yet, They are too young to tell. Do you see one?
Frownie are you serious? No you not recall how McKay declined the interview? And that Pioli was not interested as well? I don't think there was a single other person who interviewed for the job, so if that's not a sign then i don't know what is. and then of course the only guy who wanted the job did it because he actually thought he would be given an opportunity to advance his career and to help build the team. but as we all know, he was gravely mistaken.
my point exactly lenny. pretty much every player that is on the current active roster has every reason in the world to play their tails off so that they can be in the NFL next year. only a few of them are good enough to be guaranteed a job.
Here's one for you, and pretty credible, too:
http://www.cleveland.com/brownsbeat/index.ssf/2009/01/cleveland_browns_gm_search_los.html
Guys couldn't get off the phone fast enough when they heard the Browns hired Mangini. He's toxic.
You can pretend the emperor has a beautiful robe on if you want, but the truth is he's buck naked and it's not pretty.
Thanks. But this doesn't prove that these (two or three) candidates definitely turned down the job because they think Mangini is incompetent, or even because they didn't want to work with him. It seems just as likely that they didn't want to leave jobs in Philly/Atlanta for a job in Cleveland where they knew they wouldn't be in a position to bring in their own head coach. That might be an especially prominent concern with an owner like Randy Lerner serving as an arbiter between the coach and GM.
Just FYI...I told you in person that I am done commenting on these daily Mangini posts. They are the most annoying things I have ever read and you should honestly be a PR guy for one of the big 3 (think Nick Naylor in Thank you for smoking!). I don't care what you think about Mangina anymore and you don't care that we all hate him and think he sucks. I can tell you the bottom line is that the team is 1-11 and looks awesome on a week-to-week basis. Spin it all you want, but I want a real GM and a real coach and to own this draft, keep BQ (and develop him over a whole season and training camp) and see if we can sign some free agents (non-Jets) this offseason.
Glad you had a chance to vent, Smitty.
Thanks buddy.
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