Hey, welcome to Cleveland! A place where nobody wouldn't be glad to see a Super Bowl-ringed guy called "The Big Show" come in as President of its Browns.
Except that we've never won anything here, Mr. Big Show. Really. Never. And not just that, we lose in outrageously and excruciatingly hard ways. We've seen things here that you wouldn't believe.
We know it wasn't your first choice to come here to Cleveland, and that you're a West Coast guy, so you might not have noticed just what a mess it's been here for so long, and how much it bothers us that just when we finally think we have a Coach who might know something about cleaning it up, folks want to run him out of town just because he didn't clean it up overnight. We'd hate to see the same thing happen to you, and even though the major dirty work that Coach Mangini's already done in his short time here will no doubt help you avoid such a fate, you're doomed sooner than later if you don't recognize that dirty work as having been necessary.
And we don't see how you can recognize that dirty work for what it was without giving Mangini at least one more season as coach, which would seem obvious enough, except for that we're in Brownstown.
Before you ask just how dirty the work has been so far for Mangini here in Cleveland it might be worth thinking about what it looks like if you run him as soon as you get here.
It looks like your best excuse would be that your "football philosophy" is tied to a "coaching tree" and is so incompatible with Coach Mangini's that you could never ever work with him. This would be a lot easier for us to accept if we didn't find it so questionable that both you and Coach Mangini would be so stubbornly attached to every one of your ideas about a game that has so many aspects and evolves so quickly. And even more if we could be more sure that your own "football philosophy" was anything much different from "Hey Brett Favre, throw the ball good," or "Hey Shaun Alexander, run the ball good behind a sweet offensive line." Maybe that's unfair, but understand that we've never seen a coach fired because his "football philosophy" was different from a front office guy's.
We're pretty sure that's not at all why Cam Cameron was fired after his only (1-15) season as a head coach in the NFL, so it bothers us that he's the only guy you could cite as a head coach who was fired after one season by a "free-agent superstar football czar." It's hard enough that there are so many people in Cleveland who understand how much different Mangini is from Cameron. But what if they ask when hiring a "free-agent superstar football czar" has ever worked? Because as far as we know, Parcells time in Miami is the only potential example, and his Dolphins have never been better than mediocre.
It couldn't just be the difference between the 4-3 and 3-4 defenses. How strongly could an "offense guy" feel about that? Didn't a "4-3 coach" named Tomlin come in and win a Super Bowl running a "3-4"? And wasn't Tomlin a "defense guy"?
Anyway, at worst we'll at least look forward to an explanation of how "football philosophies" could be so different for you to justify firing the coach. We might at least learn something important about "football philosophy."
But for now we have a hard time understanding why you'd tie your hands behind your back from the start by firing the Coach. Giving Mangini even a year buys you an extra one yourself, and buys you out of serious questions about arrogance, nepotism, and your track record as an executive in Seattle. Why come right in and fire the guy who the Ghost of Brownies Present and Past want to sign up for one more year?
They don't grow on trees, do they? The young, hungry, bright, hard-working, former Belichick-proteges? You said it yourself, right? "He's a good coach . . . a bright guy . . . who works very very hard at his job." Bright and works very very hard? And he's fired?
How many of these young, hungry, bright, very very hard working proteges of legends have shown as much progress with each of the only two teams they've ever been in charge of, anyway? So back to that "dirty work," because we understand how hard it can be for outsiders to see how much progress has been made here in Cleveland with our Browns. We're amazed ourselves at the remarkable convergence of the Lerner family's historically negligent custody of the Browns, and the media's historically unfair treatment of Eric Mangini's NFL career. Only in Cleveland, of course.
But you must know that your transient anglophile billionaire boss has never enjoyed success running anything like an NFL franchise, and that his tenure in charge of the Browns has been a historic flop. So you'll have to understand why we're suspicious of any hiring decision he makes.
And also why so many of us saw Mangini as a lucky grab for us here, on the view that a poisonous 'win-now/sell-(Favre)-jerseys/please-the-media' management approach played out to extreme ends to land him here in Cleveland. A lot of us think Mangini got a real bad rap in losing the job he had before he came here while we're not at all sure the same is the case with you.
But lucky for you that you'll never have to go through what Mangini did as the scapegoat of the Jets' front office and New York tabloids who came to clean a historic mess in Cleveland thereby creating the opportunity for everyone to bang on the irresistable combination of three lazy memes in unison: 1) "Mangini the jerk and failure;" 2) "Cleveland, City of Losers;" and relatedly, 3) "Cleveland Browns, the Tragedy/Trainwreck." Nobody wouldn't look to be in over his head under these circumstances. The experience makes us like him even more.
The local hacks who've been trying to run Mangini out of town all season smell blood now, but look at the best they can do:
"Why would 12 games of floundering followed by a four-game sprint to the finish line be such a mandate for the status quo that Holmgren shouldn't chance interrupting it?"Punish Mangini for the mess that was here when he arrived? Or understand what it means that the four-game sprint happened after the team resolved the quarterback mess that Phil Savage left here, and after the game plan was properly adjusted in the wake of the departure of Braylon Edwards and loss of Jamal Lewis to injury.
We assume you're intelligent enough to see that the progress shown on the field since the bye week is unmistakable. And remember that nobody in Cleveland or anywhere else was expecting the Browns to make the playoffs this season; And that it was surely Randy Lerner's botched hiring process with Kokinis that led to what might have been an inevitable disaster; That nobody can legitimately claim to have known how to handle the Phil Savage-created quarterback conundrum any better than Mangini did; And that it was good to get rid of the two biggest jerks on the team, even though it would hurt the team in short term to lose the guys who also happened to be its most physically-gifted members. Hopefully nothing else has to be said about fining millionaires for stealing from hotels, or asking them to take a bus ride for charity.
Your boss will definitely reward you for seeing through all of this if you manage to do it. Your boss definitely doesn't want to look like an impetuous rich kid who was so sure in making what turned out to be a publicly unpopular coaching hire only to cave to a few costumed fans less than a year later when it turned out that hard work was hard work and that things had to get better before they got worse.
And the City of Cleveland will be behind you as well along with Josh Cribbs and Jim Brown.
Do it for Cleveland. Do it for your boss. Do it for yourself. Let's see if you can't do great things with this Coach who at the very least looks like the first coach we've seen here in ten years who's not afraid to make a hard decision. One more year, at least, please. We're hoping for the best.
Thanks,
Cleveland Frowns

34 comments:
Frowns,
I wanted to read the whole thing, I really did but you lost me at "We know it wasn't your first choice to come here to Cleveland."
How do you know that?
I figured everything after that was moaning and complaining about the local media so I packed it in.
The biggest question is this:
Will Mangini's "Process" fit in the U-Haul.
get off mangini's nuts already. holy insanity.
In case you haven't heard, our "franchise" quarterback just landed on the IR. Please, start Cribbs at QB instead of Anderson.
LOL at this post and Cheddar Bay update? Good times.
Understood that it might not have been a fun read, but the terms of engagement have to be defined at the outset. It's only fair.
Ryan, I think it's pretty well known that Holmgren wanted to stay in Seattle if they'd have given him a GM/President role or anything close to what he was offered by Cleveland.
Quinn wouldn't get hurt so much if he didn't lift so many weights. What a huge bummer.
Will update Cheddar Bay tonight.
It's not even that Cameron was fired after one 1-15 season; it's that they were lucky to win the one. The Browns are obviously playing their best football now, win or lose.
But it was my understanding that Holmgren turned down whatever Seattle was offering. I understand your distinction, but he must not have wanted to go that badly.
Yo dat doublechin turned down da Seahawks offer. Even I know dat playa, yo brownstown talk is gettin' old dawg cova dem cavs.
"Quinn wouldn't get hurt so much if he didn't lift so many weights. What a huge bummer."
Last year he hit his hand on somebody's helmet. This year he tweaked his foot on a run down the sidelines.
What does that have to do with lifting "so many weights" ??
Yo jus anotha reason how frowns gots no ideas whats talkin bout wit dem brownstown. When did he get hurt liftin dem weights round? yo yous gots to be crazy if you think dat true dawg.
Ok, Frowns I read the whole thing. out of my undying respect for what you do here.
I guess you know you are alone in your philosophy when the only source you can quote are YOUR OWN PREVIOUS BLOGS! Wow.
I'm going to back up my opinions with....more of my own opinions! LOL!
17 links to your own pieces? Is that a personal record?
I just assumed that the site font was blue...
Jerome Bettis thinks the Browns should keep Mangini one more year. Therefore, all superbowl winning NFL personnel thinks Mangini should get one more year, including Holmgren.
/logic'd
Yo why you tryin to frontin me whyimbored? dont try to play me like dat foo...i sorry i dont talk ah propa and all dat here, dont be hatin dawg. i aint bout none of dat.
I didn't mean to front!
You was tryin to hate on dat last reply to me, we straight. get back on da grind all day ever' night playa.
Here are some things Mike Holmgren should do/remember as he takes over the Browns:
*Do whatever you think is correct. If you believe the Lil' Emperor should be one-and-done, don't worry about what's "fair." Don't get caught up in meaningless (KC) and over-rated (Pittsburgh) late-season wins. Do what you think is best.
*Remember, you and the team hold all the cards in this situation. It's indisputable that if he's fired Mangini will never get anywhere near an NFL head coaching job again. And with all the bridges he's burned he may never get another NFL job, period. Be sure he understands that. Mangini's entire career is based on holding Belichick's clipboard while Bill did all the work. Never forget that.
*Don't confuse "hard work" with actual ability. Plenty of people can be in the office long hours, doesn't mean they are any good at their job.
*Hire a GM that has absolutely NO TIES to New England or Baltimore. If a candidate even hints that he watched a Pats or Ravens game in the past 10 years scratch them off the list. That goes double for anyone who delivered pizza, made coffee or swept the floors in Berea in the early '90s. There are other teams in the NFL to pick from. Perhaps Indianapolis, San Diego, Philly would be some places to consider looking at.
*Fire Brian Daboll. Just have his things packed up and waiting for him when the Jacksonville game is over.
*If, for some reason, you decide not to fire Daboll, get tape of every offensive play the Dolphins have run in the past 2 years and lock Daboll in a room to watch them. Don't let him out until he realizes that the Wildcat is an offense the Browns could successfully use and that it involves more than having Josh Cribbs run the ball to the left.
*Then, sit Daboll down and teach him how to create an NFL-caliber gameplan. Patiently explain to him that just because a particular play may not work in the first quarter doesn't mean you throw it away for the rest of the game. Real NFL offensives will often run a play early in the game to set up the defense for a bigger play later in the game.
*Ban the QB sneak from the playbook and let the coaching staff know that if anyone even mentions a QB sneak they will be fired on the spot.
*Take away Jim Brown's access to a microphone. Let him know that he does and will not speak for the team.
*Sit the coaching staff down and explain some of the basics of the NFL to them, especially such "complex" facts as:
*there are no redshirt years in the NFL. If you draft someone in the first three rounds they are expected to play on Sundays, not be inactive.
*Having your best players actually on the field on Sundays increases your chances of winning.
*The more your 11 top offensive players play together the better they are. They have things in the NFL called "preseason games" where you can practice this concept and wins and losses don't matter.
*Once the draft is over and everyone is in camp, get on the practice field every day and work with the quarterbacks. Remember you've coached Joe Montana, Steve Young, Brett Favre and Matt Hasselback. You know what good quarterbacks look like and how to coach them up. The current head coach has nothing like that on his resume.
*Remember your eyes don't lie. You can spin this mess anyway you want to but at the end of the day you have a coach of a 3-11 football team and who has a pitiful career record as coach. One who has mismanaged every aspect of this team since day 1. A coach who's own players that were brought in to teach his "way" say that they are not playing to save him.
That's probably enough for now to get started. Let's get this ship moving in the right direction.
Preach on brother Pollo!
*Everything in the NFL is easy. I can sit here and type bullet points for you and you should listen to them, because I've watched the Browns for a long time now and I know Cleveland football better than you.
Holy Christ, seriously? That might be about the most pompous comment I've ever read. Throw your résumé in the pile for the GM / Head coach job already, I'm sold.
I don't think Pullo's comment was pompous as much as it was just absurdly dumb.
I'm trying to figure out which part is the dumbest. I think it has to be this:
"Mangini's entire career is based on holding Belichick's clipboard while Bill did all the work. Never forget that."
I have to ask, Pullo: Have you ever played football? Even high school football? Do you really have no idea how much work these coaches put into game planning and preparing their players to play? That a coach as smart as Belichick would consistently promote a guy all the way up to coordinator who wasn't very good at his job. It's just mind-blowing.
It's like arguing that the top law firms in the world would hire the dumbest associates, and keep promoting them, because they have so many good partners at the top.
Mind blowing.
The rest is all the same.
"11 best players on the field" as though that doesn't change from week to week, and the successful installation of a new locker room culture didn't nor should have anything to do with the personnel decisions.
Pointing to Mangini's "record" without mention of the quality of teams he coached, or that he's had two 9+ win seasons in his four.
You never did address anything here:
http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/12/31/opinion-the-wrong-move/
Whatever you think about Holmgren you have to assume he's not as mind-blowingly dumb as he'd have to be to buy arguments like Pullo's.
17 links to my own posts probably was a new record, thanks for counting. As you know, there's been a lot for me to untie this season in the media's twisted coverage of our Browns, and we have to make sure Mike has all the background.
well John Clayton still insists that Mangini is a goner so can we please move on to the next topic.. who's gonna be the new head coach??? Greg Knapp??
I don't know about law firms, but I do know that Wall Street sure has some morons running the show so incompetent people being promoted happens all the time. Perhaps you are not familar with this concept:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle
I'm not sure how my argument is any worse than this gem from you:
And even more if we could be more sure that your own "football philosophy" was anything much different from "Hey Brett Favre, throw the ball good," or "Hey Shaun Alexander, run the ball good behind a sweet offensive line."
All coaches work hard; you think other staffs are punching out at 5 p.m.? Just because someone is in the office a long time doesn't mean they are accomplishing anything.
And no, your best 11 players are your best players.
I did respond to the thoughts of the Jets blogger here:
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4083233540469459957&postID=6133965920996048583
along with several links to commenters on the same blog who couldn't wait for Mangini to leave.
And since you asked, yes I played football at both the high school and at a lower-level Div. 1 college.
Look, I'm just a fan who is willing to see that the Lil' Emperor has no clothes. The Browns have a chance to get this think fixed; I'd like to actually see that happen sometime in my lifetime.
I'm really surprised by that last point, but I guess if you want to think Mangini was promoted to coordinator by Belichick even though he wasn't a good coach, it's another solid notch on the belt of you 2009 Mangini haters.
Those three links were no response at all to the Jetsblog post, as anyone who would go back and read them would see.
And the point about Holmgren's "hey Favre throw the ball," etc., is to say that Holmgren's success looks just as easily due to the great players he had than any "philosophy."
Just a really poor showing here.
Yo if gon be doin sum career spotlights on sum nigga dat is a loser in brownstown, den how bouts you do spotlight on dat balla Allen Iverson.
Allen Iverson: Da Answer to lifes question.
Would be a good article read fo sho dawg.
And the point about Holmgren's "hey Favre throw the ball," etc., is to say that Holmgren's success looks just as easily due to the great players he had than any "philosophy."
If you're oversimplifying the job of coaching this much, then it doesn't matter who coaches the Browns. It's all about the GM.
You can't have it both ways.
I understand that it's a combination of both the coaches and the players. Sometimes its more attributable to the coaches, and sometimes its the players. Here I'm suggesting that his success might have something to do with having coached a QB in his prime who some (though not me) view as the best in NFL history.
Yo you flip flop more on your arguments then dat white boy McCain who lost da election. It gon be da same outcome Obama won and mangini gon be booted. Yo rants got no backin
so you don't think that Holmgren "coached up" Favre? (and Steve Young, Brunell, and Hasselbeck)???????
I don't question that Holmgren is good with QBs.
I just don't read too much into that.
So, since my arguments are, how did you put it, "dumb", does that mean you think the Browns should go back to New England and/or Baltimore to hire a GM? They really should go down that road again?
And you don't see any value in Holmgren sitting down with Brian Daboll and teaching him some things about how to run an offense? I guess Holmgren's success in SF, Green Bay and Seattle must pale when compared to Daboll's superior skills and resume?
Where those some of the dumb suggestions?
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