"You Count on This Player and Something Happens" – Braylon Edwards, Bottlegate, and Surviving Cancer

by Cleveland Frowns on January 6, 2010

No story helps to explain the media’s mischaracterization of the accomplishments of Browns coach Eric Mangini in 2009 better than “bottlegate.”  With recent reports confirming that Braylon Edwards was the player famously fined $1,701 for failing to pay for a bottle of water at a hotel, it’s worth considering what the story reveals about just what a cancer Braylon was in the Browns locker room, and just what a mess was there for Mangini when he arrived.

(It spreads.)

“Bottlegate” was reported to make Mangini appear as a flailing tyrant.  The coach explained that the player who was fined was a repeat offender, and anyone might have appreciated the team’s right to levy the maximum fine on a multi-millionaire who broke a rule as simple and seemingly useful as “no stealing from hotels.”  But that explanation was buried in a storm of media-fueled negativity that took fodder from complaints of veterans who’d grown accustomed to the luxury of Camp Romeo.

How much of the negativity in the locker room, how much of Eric Mangini’s bad rap came directly from Braylon Edwards?

Consider that Bottlegate wouldn’t have hit the press at all if Braylon himself didn’t want it to.  There’s no question that Hollywood Bray viewed himself as too big of a star for Cleveland, and that he’d be a goner as soon as his free agency tolled in 2010.  How much better for the image-obsessed wide receiver if he could play the victim on his departure?  Why would a player as obviously self-obsessed as Edwards buckle down for Mangini’s culture change under those circumstances?  Why would Braylon have resisted the opportunity to light a few fires from the inside? Certainly not because he was concerned about the future of the Cleveland Browns or Eric Mangini.

Here it’s worth remembering that we’re talking about a guy who: Publicly railed against Browns fans for not appreciating his efforts in a 4-12 Browns season that started with playoff expectations in which Edwards himself led the league in dropped passes; Announced to the local press that he wasn’t worried about uncertainty surrounding the teams’ quarterback situation because he’s “in the fifth year of a five-year deal”; Chirped to an ESPN reporter about “shaking hands with the right people” to get “roles” in Hollywood, wanting to “be the King of Cleveland because [he's] doing the exact same things consistently, like [LeBron has] been doing,” and that he wears a certain “war cologne” “when [he's] trying to show confidence or be dominant;” and asked Texans cornerback Will Demps “between plays [of a Texans win over the Browns] if [they] could talk after the game about modeling and acting.”

The same guy who couldn’t resist bashing Browns fans via Twitter after he was traded, and told New York reporters that Cleveland is “the pits,” “the baddest of the bad.”

Now remember that two of the six core criteria that Mangini seeks out in his players are “selflessness,” and “guys to whom football is important,” and consider that the highest paid and most physically talented player in the locker room when Mangini arrived was the ultimate “me-first” guy who cared about anything but football.

It only takes one guy to be a “league source,” or a “source inside the Browns locker room,” and when that one guy is the richest and most famous player in the locker room, it’s easy to understand how his influence can spread.

We know that Braylon filed a grievance with the players association before he left Cleveland.  How many of his teammates did he urge to do the same?  What’s that do to a locker room and a coach’s ability to get individuals to play as a team?

It makes one wonder about the source of the travesty that was the reporting of the James Davis injury, which occurred while Braylon was still in town.  Look at the breathless outrage contained in the initial reports of “the story,” then note how conclusively the Browns were cleared of any wrongdoing (it was easy enough for the NFL to look at the videotape of practice), and consider the absurd incongruity.

It makes one wonder about how upset anyone really was about a bus ride for charity as well.

And it really makes one wonder how much different this season would have been if Braylon would have been traded on draft day instead of in the season’s fourth week.

It probably shouldn’t be a surprise at all that all five of this season’s wins came after Braylon was sent to New York.  And it definitely shouldn’t be a surprise that the Browns offense came to a standstill in the weeks following Braylon’s departure.  Whatever else about him, his speed created space on the football field that was sorely missed.  The same space that allowed then number-two receiver Mohamed Massaquoi to make a season-best eight catches for 148 yards against the Bengals in Braylon’s last game as a Brown.

It’s hard to replace that kind of talent, the kind that went for 1,300 yards and 16 touchdowns in 2007.  It’s easy to understand why Mangini would have given that kind of talent the benefit of the doubt* by not trading it away before going through as much as a training camp with Edwards.  And it’s easy to understand, after “bottlegate” and everything that came with it, that Braylon had to go.

In this light, the most interesting quote from new Browns team president Mike Holmgren’s press conference of yesterday was when, in addressing Mangini’s own recent statement about “the mess” he inherited in Cleveland, Holmgren mentioned in Mangini’s defense that “sometimes frustration sets in . . . [when] you count on this player and something happens.”

“You count on this player and something happens.”  Doesn’t it, though?  Holmgren might have been referring quite specifically to Braylon Edwards here.  But even if not, any credible leader would account for how the combination of Braylon’s singular physical talent with his singular self-obsession impacted Mangini’s “full body of work,” and what a mess it really was in Cleveland when Mangini arrived such a short time ago.

UPDATE: Some background we didn’t know at the time that helps explain why it was so easy for Braylon to make the mess that he did: When Eric met Tony: Exclusive Report on Origins of Plain Dealer Beat Writer’s Vendetta against Former Browns Coach.

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*We gave Braylon the benefit of the doubt at the beginning of the season too, despite so many reasons not to.  Had Braylon either been only half of a flaming sociopath, or had he been traded on draft day giving the team ample time to adjust to his absence, our prediction of seven wins for these Browns is probably right on.  You count on a player and something happens …

Probably a parallel to be drawn between our own willingness to give the benefit of the doubt to the guy that’s here, and that of folks in New York who’ve found it so easy to let Jets owner Woody Johnson make Mangini the scapegoat for his own failed Brett Favre experiment.

**Here’s a great read from the folks at Read and React, on Holmgren, Mangini, and the decision that a credible leader might make:

“Brought in to be in charge, the obvious choice, the ego choice is to let go of Mangini and his coaching staff. Who could blame him if he wants to bring in his own coaches, his own staff?*** A cupboard that was bare and full of poison rattraps is now full of disciplined players, some talented, mostly journeymen that know the value of team football. A cupboard once bare of flexibility and possibility is now stocked with picks, cap room and hope. How easy would it be for him to come into that kitchen, sack the chef, and take ownership, to take full credit for a team that seems poised to start winning, a team that after years of mismanagement looks to be actually be what it has pretended to be all of these years, a NFL franchise a city can be proud of.

“I hope though Holmgren makes the hard choice, a choice that is not about credit, or about one person, a choice the requires him to set aside his own ego, and agenda. A choice that will in the end take the spotlight away from him, it’s a choice that will not make him the savior of the Browns, because that person is already in place. It’s a choice that will reward a hard working coach and not the poison pens of bitter reporters, a choice that will show us all if Holmgren can put aside personal glory, and to do what is right, to be a man of principle, keep Mangini and let him finish what he started.”

Read the whole thing.

***Who could blame him?  Anyone could.  We’ll be back later with a pick for the LeFevour Bowl.  Who who who will we pick in the LeFevour Bowl?

  • Ryan

    I'm sure the thousands of cancer survivors who walk in Cleveland each year will appreciate your comparison to what they went through battling a deadly disease to what Eric Mangini went through while "surviving" Braylon Edwards.

  • Pittsburgh is for Man Lovers

    It's funny how all the haters just ignore the fact that Brett Favre is completely healthy this year and lighting it up and was doing the same up until the hidden injury last year. He alone is the sole reason that the Jets tanked so bad. Mangini was force fed him and had to stick with him come hell or high water and did so at his own peril. Don't think for a minute that Jets management would make that clear to him. Anyone also notice how the Jets made the playoffs this year using the ground game he built and the type of approach (run first) I'm sure he wanted to use all along? The guy can coach – personnel decisions are another matter. Since they would no longer fall under his realm of responsibilities in the current setup, why wouldn't he get another year?

  • Cleveland Frowns

    Golly, Ryan, I do think Braylon has something to do with Mangini's bad rap. How did you know?

    Also, you know, I have some relatives who've died of cancer. Maybe you can round up some of my other relatives as plaintiffs and sue me for intentional infliction of emotional distress for using the metaphor. You might also sue every sportswriter in America for using the same one. You could be rich!

  • Cleveland Frowns

    I don't really see where he has issues with personnel, either, Man Lovers.

    He brought 6 Pro Bowlers to the Jets (including the best corner in the league, who was his guy) and looks like he's already brought at least one here in Alex Mack.

  • Cleveland Frowns

    Now Ryan's deleting his comments. Will he delete the second one too? Stay tuned.

  • Ryan

    Yeah, Mangini was forced to work with Brett Favre. He hated it so much that he named his son after him. I'm sure it was hard.

    Giving Mangini credit for New York's running game is laughable.

    Let me get this straight..they used a run-first approach that Mangini should get credit for because he "wanted to use it all along" but couldn't because management forced him to work with Brett Favre? Did they force him to not disclose his injury?

    How about mentioning how the Jets defense was ranked #1 this year under Rex Ryan? What were they ranked under Mangini?

    Your takes are weaker than Frowns!

  • Ryan

    Frowns,

    Since we have both lost relatives to cancer then we both should have known that the metaphor was innapropriate – not just me. I expected to read about a coach or a player that survived cancer only to realize that you were trying to be funny.

    Braylon was indeed a bad influence in the locker room but blaming him for Mangini's reputation – a reputation that wasn't exactly great before he arrived in Cleveland – is simply weak.

    I'd like to know how many sports writers have used "surviving cancer" as a metaphor when describing a player that was traded to another team. I think writers on a national level have much more ethics and sensitivity than that. Calling somebody a "locker room cancer" is one thing but using "surviving cancer" as a metaphor is a whole different thing.

    No need for me to sue anybody. I'm content with calling you out for your lack of professionalism without getting any money hungry lawyers involved.

  • CleveBalla

    Yo take dat bullshit round here somewhere else ryan he gon be havin relatives who had cancer so quit bringin dat stuff up you aint beast dawg. go troll somewhere else if you aint not gonna bring up some points in her. is rex ryan da d coordinator ova in jets land playa?

  • Pittsburgh is for Man Lovers

    I didn't say he hated him, I said he was stuck with him after the injury. I work with plenty of people I like but know they are God-awful for one reason or another – including injury. You are nuts if you don't think he was trying build a run-first approach.

    Frownie, I am simply removing from the equation what I think is the biggest issue of whinery from the haters. The point we are at is whether he should coach or not, and the biggest argument against him (from the naysayers) are his personnel decisions from this past draft.

  • Cleveland Frowns

    "Giving Mangini credit for New York's running game is laughable."

    It's hilarious, really. He only signed or drafted 5 out of the 6 offensive linemen, and 2 of the 3 running backs.

    You're on a roll today, Ryan. What will you come up with next?

    (Everyone else, please note: This is the guy who's wanted to run Mangini since week 7.)

  • Pittsburgh is for Man Lovers

    For all intents and purposes, the only real question that should be up for debate is if he can be a successful coach or not under Holmgren and I still don't see why it isn't a resounding yes.

  • Cleveland Frowns

    So "locker room" cancer is OK, but "surviving locker room" cancer isn't.

    Got it.

  • CleveBalla

    Yo ryan be hatin mangini cause he cant think fo himself dawg. quit tellin what ever'ne else is talkins bout and make dat decision fo yoself why shouldnt he be given anotha year? bring some cold fact dawg if not then get back on ya grind and be done wit it.

  • Ryan

    Mangini was stuck with Favre after the injury? I doubt it. Mangini took a gamble by allowing Favre to play with an injury and then not disclosing it to the rest of the league. Some gambles pay off and that one didn't. In fact it cost him a nice chunk of change too and his job.

    You're right, the draft was a disaster for the most part but it's not going to be the only reason he gets fired. It's just one small piece of the big picture or the "whole body of work".

  • CleveBalla

    yo ryan crazy playa. someone set dis fool right. he aint makin no sense.

  • Ryan

    Frowns,

    You're wrong. I wanted to run Mangini after the complete joke that was his "open competition" for the QB job in the preseason – well before week 7. His mishandling of nearly ever aspect of the team since then has only added fuel to the fire.

    "So "locker room" cancer is OK, but "surviving locker room" cancer isn't."

    You didn't say "Surviving Locker Room Cancer." You said "Surviving Cancer". If you would have put the words "Locker Room" in their then I wouldn't have had a problem with it. It's still semi-innapropriate but not quite as bad.

  • Chris

    I can't wait for the repost of comment #1. I've got it saved for posterity sake.

    Another thing to point out about Favre is that he is more than willing to torpedo his team by playing hurt, or downplaying his injury in order to keep his precious record intact. If I had to guess, this would have a good part with the end to the Jets season last year. If I had to bet, I would say that will be the downfall to the Vikings season this year.

  • El Capitan

    Ryan is 100% right. Metaphors are hurtful.

  • Biki

    it's very convenient to blame favre for the losses for the jets down the stretch, and i have challenged all you mangini lovers to check the tape, or at least look at the box scores of each loss. there was a lot more going on with the team than just brett favre. TERRIBLE coaching and playcalling and execution on both sides of the ball.

  • Biki

    why you hating on braylon anyways? mangini and him seem to be on good terms, apparantly they are text message buddies.

    when talking about his abilities, you are forgetting how good of a run blocker he is as well. he's help the jets run game tremendously this year blocking the edges, etc.

    should be a great game on sat.. let's go jets!

  • Chris

    They lost 4 of the last 5 to get knocked out of the playoffs. Favre's numbers in those 4 games?

    23/43 247 0 1
    20/31 137 0 1
    18/31 187 0 2
    20/40 233 1 3

    His numbers in the game they won were awful too.

    1 TD and 7 Picks. And it had nothing to do with Favre? Sure.

  • Biki

    i never said it had "nothing to do with favre", but there was a lot more going wrong with that team than just brett. again, i painfully watched each and every one of those games. it was very frustrating to say the least. they basically abandoned their rushing attack and played terrible defense.

  • Chris

    I'll agree with that, Biki. But if I remember right, 3 of those games were within reach if Favre had it together.

  • Bryan

    "Ryan is 100% right. Metaphors are hurtful."

    They're like punches.

  • Cleveland Frowns

    Wipe that simile off your face!

  • Biki

    This Year Vs Last Year: Rexy Ryan Vs Eric Mangini

    The 2008 Jets ranked 22nd in Defensive Passer Rating (88.1).

    The 2009 Jets are No. 1 (58.8).

    That’s a stunning improvement of nearly 30 points in this critical indicator of defensive success. That’s borderline unprecedented.

    The 2008 Jets ranked 23rd in touchdown passes allowed (23).

    The 2009 Jets are No. 1 (8).

    In other words, the Jets were torched for three touchdowns passes every two games last year. This year? Just one TD pass every two games.

    The 2008 Jets ranked 16th in total defense (329.4 YPG).

    The 2009 Jets are No. 1 (252.3).

    If Chris Farley were interviewing Rex Ryan right now, he’d drool breathlessly, “That … was … awesome!”

    The 2008 Jets ranked 18th in scoring defense (22.2 PPG).

    The 2009 Jets are No. 1 (14.8 PG).

    We’re not math majors, but that looks like a decline of 33 percent in scoring against the Jets this year. Not impressed? Just remember the acidic bile that ate away at your stomach lining when your retirement fund lost 33 percent in the fall and winter of 2008-09.

    The 2008 Jets ranked 13th in points allowed vs. Quality Opponents (22.7).

    The 2009 Jets are No. 1 in points allowed vs. Quality Opponents (13.7).

    In other words, the Odd Duck’s defense has improved even more dramatically against good teams than it has against your ordinary, average, run-of-the-mill teams.

    The 2008 Jets ranked 29th in pass defense (234.9 YPG).

    The 2009 Jets are No. 1 (153.7).

    Yup, another big turnaround. It’s like two different teams out there. And, yes, the NFL’s shutdown cornerback du jour, Darrelle Revis, started all 16 games for both teams.

    The 2008 Jets ranked 18th in passing yards per attempt allowed (7.0 YPA).

    The 2009 Jets are No. 1 (5.4 YPA).

    Wow, 5.4 YPA passing the ball against the Jets. There were a handful of players this year who averaged more than 5.4 YPA running the ball: Jamaal Charles (5.9 YPA), Felix Jones (5.9) and Chris Johnson (5.6), to name three notables from the 2009 season.

    The 2008 Jets ranked 15th in third-down defense (61.4%)

    The 2009 Jets are No. 1 (68.5%).

    Call us brilliant, but forcing opponents to punt sure seems like one good way to keep them out of the end zone.

  • Chris

    Thanks Biki. So you're saying that (a) We should fire Mangini and immediately hire Sexy Rexy; (b)The Jets have not gotten better, Mangini is just a terrible coach, or (c)…?

    To quote Judge Chamberlain Haller: "That was a lucid, well thought out objection Mr. Gallo…OVERRULED."

  • Biki

    It is possible that the two yutes…

    yes my point is that Rex seems to be a better coach than Mangini.

    apparantly Heckert will be announced as new GM on Friday.. doesn't look good for Mr. Gambini, i mean Mr. Mangini

  • Ryan

    Biki,

    Yeah but Rex is doing it with Mangini's guys. Remember, he drafted 6 Pro Bowlers. All credit should be given to Lord Mangini for the Jets success and the Browns failures will be blamed on Braylon Edwards and Romeo Crennel Any questions?

  • Chris

    Actually, the Browns failures are attributed directly to Mangini, because it's his fault Romeo ran things poorly before he got here.

    Got it?

  • Biki

    what does romeo have to do with the DRASTIC improvement in the Jets' defensive play from Mangini's tenure to Rexy's????

    NADA. ZILCH. ZERO

  • Chris

    How did you gather that I connected Romeo, Mangini, Sexy Rexy and the Jets?

    You drinking your dinner Biki?

  • Blake

    Mangini took over a team where they cleared house, then took a flamethrower to it. As Frowns has pointed out (too) many times over the course of the season he got rid of the most talented players who were poisoning (appologies to readers who have had family members that needed to make calls to the poison control hotline) the locker room and TEAM first mentality Mangini was trying to instill. As a result of those moves, Cleveland suffered terribly talent-wise on the team that didn't have much talent to begin with. Even so, the team finished with a better record than last year. Granted 5-11 is not saying much, but when you have a new system with less talent, it is something which the players can be proud.

    Additionally, the extra practice time and tests allowed practice squad players and rookies to step in when the team was ravaged by injuries. You actually saw our defense improve after we lost all of our linebackers and Shaun Rogers.

    You also saw the team play with more heart in the last four games of the season than you saw in much of the last 10 years in the league. In the win against Pittsburgh, the Browns were making the plays that the Steelers usually made against us. In the past, Pittsbugh converted all of those 3rd and long plays intead of getting sacked. The offense would usually go 3 and out without ever coming close to going over 100 yards rushing as a team.

    Yes, Mangini sucks when it comes to the press, which is a big reason why there are so many negative stories about him, but that is why having Holmgrin as President of Football Operations is so great. Holmgrin can be the guy that talks to the press, the "face" of the franchise that gives the good sound bites, while Mangini continues to do his job as coach and get the team prepared for the next week.

    Long time Frowns readers know the Frowns was against Mangini being hired in the first place, which has been forgotten somewhere in-between all the Man-love. While I haven't been vocal about it, I agree with a lot of what Frowns has been saying and think we need to see if Mangini is able to built upon what he put in place this year. If we have another sub .500 season then get rid of him, but until then, I believe he deserves another year.

    As far as the draft goes, I've said it before and I'll say it again DRAFT LINEMEN. It doesn't matter who is running, throwing or catching the ball if there are no holes to run through or no time to throw. On the defensive end, any NFL quaterback can make a defense look silly if he has all day to throw or if the offense is racking up 100 + yards rushing a game and controling the clock. Lineman are the most underapperciated/unrecognizable players on the team, yet they are the true MVPs. That is why you always hear about runningbacks and QBs taking their line out to dinner or buying them expensive presents after they have a good season. If you don't believe me all you have to do is look to Detroit and see how all the receivers and Qbs they've drafted over the last 10 years have faired when they've gone for the "most talented player available" approach to the draft.

    Mental diarreha out.

  • Cleveland Frowns

    BLAKE FTW.

    Except for that I wasn't necessarily against the Mangini hire. I would describe it more as an appropriately nuanced cautiously optimistic view.

    http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/2009/01/mangini-hired-randy-lerner-inspired-or.html

  • cavsfan007

    I don't know anyone who would take a cancer metaphor out of context. It is a measure against the reference, not a explicit attack of all those who have suffered from the deadly disease. Your a cancer in the debate of whether Mangini deserves a second year to build on an obvious success. Please put your wife's purse down and join us in excited anticipation of the 2010 season.

  • paulbip

    Edwards has talent? Because he runs fast? He stinks for the Jets too. Get a FA track star if fast is talent.

  • Biki

    FYI, regarding the Rexy vs Mangini stats, i forgot to credit "The Green Titan" for the stats and comments, he/she is the moderator of the official Jets forum.

  • Cleveland Frowns

    Biki, do you have a link to this Jets forum piece?

  • mkmets23

    First off, I think the comparison to cancer is pretty ridiculous and somewhat offensive, but that is not my main point. As a Jets fan, I would like to say that I like Eric Mangini and I want him to have success in Cleveland. However, I do agree with his firing last year. He does not have the personality that a New York sports team needs to have and after a season that tanked like last year it is hard to defend him. He has many strengths, but his inability to adjust gameplans lost a lot of games in New York. Considering he had a lot to deal with when he got to Cleveland, limited talent, injury problems, and the fact that he ended the season on a 4 game winning streak, I think he deserves to stay for at least another year. I think Braylon just wanted to get out of Cleveland because he has not caused too many problems since he started playing for the Jets. He has dropped a few BIG catches, but off-the-field he has been fine. Once again, I think "cancer" was a bit harsh.

  • Cleveland Frowns

    Two things about those Jets numbers:

    First, last year's Jets played seven games against playoff teams. This year's Jets played five, and really only three if you count the Colts and Bengals lay-downs at the end of the season.

    Second, last year's Jets team could score, so the defense didn't have to play as tightly.

    You can't just look at the stats without looking at the context, but it's funny that both teams have the same record, despite a talent infusion, and that all the young talent that Mangini brought to the team had one more year to jell.

  • Cleveland Frowns

    mkmets: Do you think it's disrespectful to people who've died in vehicle accidents to refer to someone or something as a "train wreck," too?

    I've heard that line about "in game adjustments" before, and never heard any persuasive evidence in support of it. It's an easy enough thing to say, though.

  • Mikoltz

    Frowns thanks for the post it clears up a lot of things for me regarding edwards…

    Also, ryan, grow up dude. If we exclude everything as inappropriate based on someone's hurt feelings what fun would life be….

    Cancer shmancer… it's a frickin word used to express something bad get over yourself.

    I agree with you Frowns, Mangini has gotten a bad rap from day one… because he isn't media friendly… and guess what I don't care if he is media friendly I care that he's a good coach.

    I hope Cleveland, in this case Lerner, hasn't made a typical "cleveland mistake" by hiring Holmgren before they gave this guy the chance he deserves.. He has a plan and has demonstrated that plan don't kick him out now… we don't need another Belichick to lament over..

  • Eli

    Awesome, thought provoking story. Thanks.

  • Gary

    CF, great article.
    It never ceases to amaze me how some of the PD's hack staff (Dud Shaw, Mary Kay Dingbat, Livingston and Grossi) just LOVE to bring up bottlegate and imply it was a one-time incident. Terry Pluto was the only one to keep mentioning that it was a multiple-infraction fine.
    The PD thrives on the negative story aspect and does its best to perpetuate or create them. Funny how the "league sources" mostly appear in MK's and G's articles.
    Prime example of of a PD negative piece and the timing of its release … MK Dingbat's Lombardi bitch piece appearing in the PD the Saturday before the opener. The team was 2-2 in the preseason and actually looked like things may pan out, but no, the PD must throw the negative out there.

  • SDBrowns

    This was a very a very insightful and thought provoking article.

    When I first learned that Mangini was hired I almost had a heart attack! The drought of wins that has plagued this team since their return has been shocking. The thought of another unsuccessful rebuilding attempt almost drove me insane.

    Then I almost had a stroke when Mangini blew-up our team by axing our cancerous talent and flooded us with Jet's stiffs! What a time bomb!

    Just when I thought there would be a revolt and the team would just roll over and die, our OL came together and the ground game started crushing the opponents.

    I hope Mangini has dodged the bullet and continues to coach the Browns. And Braylon, the malignant tumor, can break a leg for all I care.

    And may we go on to completely destroy our opposition next year.
    Go Browns!!

  • john

    Stats are a waste of time. It is about wins and losses. 2008 Jets 9-7 and out of playoffs just like the 11-5 Patriots – the AFC was better. 2009 Jets 9-7 and in the playoffs b/c the AFC is down and they played playoff locks the last 2 games. Rex Ryan is not a good coach. He came into a better situation and caught some breaks. Eventually, his mouth will be his undoing.

  • Biki

    @john: caught some breaks? they lost 5 games by 4 points or less this season.. and no stats are not a waste of time, they definitely give an indicator of how the team has playing. over a 16 game season, if a team makes the type of jumps the 2009 Jets have made versus the past 3 years, that definitely is a sign of improved play on the defensive side of the ball.

    as far as his mouth, yes, like his girth, he has a big one. but he seems to know what he's doing when it comes to coaching. hopefully he can get a playoff win this saturday, something mangini has not done in his 4 years of being a head coach.

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