"Not a single influential official in the Cavs organization . . . "

by Cleveland Frowns on July 19, 2010

We’ve been wondering here lately about how a leadership vacuum in Cleveland contributed to LeBron’s departure, the existence of that vacuum being largely supported by Dan Gilbert’s own statements.  Now more evidence by way of the latest must-read report from Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports:

No one could stand James as a 19-year-old in the 2004 Athens Olympics, nor the 2006 World Championships. Officials feared James could become the instigator of everything they wanted to rid themselves for the ’08 Olympics. . . . Behind the scenes, officials had taken to calling James’ inner circle, “The Enablers.” No one ever told him to grow up. No one ever challenged him. . . .

Before Izzo finally turned down Gilbert, he was delivered a direct line to two of James’ close NBA friends, who told him he should only take the job with an expectation he’ll never coach James in Cleveland. Gilbert tried to sell Izzo, but the coach feared there wasn’t a single influential official in the Cavs organization who truly had a relationship with James. . . .

The TV event had delivered hope to the Cavaliers that they would keep James because they never believed he would go on air and open himself to such a visceral reaction.

Better than anyone, [the Cavaliers] knew LeBron James could sometimes be so unaware of the world outside his own needs, his own yes men. . . . [Yet, the] telephone call to the Cleveland Cavaliers came minutes before the 9 p.m. show, and somehow the news still shocked them. LeBron James was leaving, and the truth finally washed over owner Dan Gilbert and his front office: James had been gone a long time. They just never wanted to believe it.

Now consider what Brian Windhorst wrote yesterday:

What the Cavs want to know is why, despite doing everything James asked and attempting to trade for as many top players as they could, they were not afforded anywhere near the same opportunity [to build a franchise around James] as James is already giving a team he’s been with for less than two weeks.

In his comments in ESPN’s “Sunday Conversation” last weekend, James blamed Cavs owner Dan Gilbert for not considering the long term.

What the Cavs wanted to scream at the TV and have been seething about privately all during the Vegas Summer League is how could they when James himself had them shackled to the short term.

James had the Cavs shackled? Or is it that the Cavaliers organization spent seven years walking the path of least resistance with respect to LeBron in fear of upsetting Dan Gilbert’s money play on the franchise? I’m inclined to put more blame on the grown-ups here than the rags-to-unprecedented-fame/riches kid athlete and his along-for-the-ride homeboys. If the Cavaliers had figured out a way to break these so-called “shackles,” or even tried, maybe by the end there would have been at least “a single influential official in the Cavs organization who truly had a relationship with James.”  It’s actually exactly how influence is built. You challenge someone, and they come to see that you were right to do so. The evidence continues to pile up that nobody ever did that to LeBron in Cleveland.

Stand for something or fall for nothing. And now the Cavaliers are left “seething privately” and “screaming at the TV.”

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Have you seen the new crib that LeBron’s rumored to have purchased in Miami?  Does he plan to sell the one in Bath?  How?  To whom?  One idea is that we can turn Cleveland Frowns into a 501(c)(3) non-profit and move our corporate offices there so LeBron can get another tax write-off.  LeBron, you know how to get in touch.

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That’s all for now, but we’ll be back shortly with a number of non-LeBron related things, including Tony Grossi’s latest, and what all those fireworks looked like when they went off.

Hope everyone’s week gets off to a bangin’ start in the meantime.

  • Ammo

    I'm not sure what your motive for this post is. Are you actually trying to defend LeBrick here? Seriously?

    LeBrick has had veteran leadership all over the place: Eric Snow, Z, Jamison. Hell, even Kevin Ollie was brought in to show LeBrick the ropes as a rookie.

    All LeBrick had to do was LISTEN TO HIS ELDERS and he would have gotten the message. Truth is he's just an evil spoiled brat with horrendous parenting and no regard for others.

    Makes you wish there was never an appreciation day for him because he never appreciated us, doesn't it?

  • Biki

    where's the Ron Harper pic???

  • rgrunds

    Maverick Carter representing LeBron;

    Like making Donald Duck U.S. Ambassador to the UN.

  • Biki

    can we please move on! Lebron is gone, and there's nothing we can do about it. The past is the past. We will never know what really was going on, other than the fact that we won 127 games the past 2 seasons and it was a helluva ride. Gilbert made a ton of money, we enjoyed discussing it and now we try to build a TEAM that can actually get past the 2nd or 3rd round in this tough Eastern Conference.

    so let's focus on the Brownie!

    Mangini was on the Dan Patrick Show this morning.. Looks like Holmgren is flexing his PR machine muscles and doing what he can to build the Browns brand! Afterall, he's Prez, and I'm sure has a piece of the team or at least gets a rip off any of the profits.

    6 wins or bust baby!

  • Chris

    Pete, tell me if I'm reading this the wrong way, but are you genuinely defending Lebron here? Like it's Gilbert's and the Cavs' job to be his father figure, and show him how to do right?

    You've got to be kidding me. Like Ammo said, he's had plenty of good character guys nearing the end of their careers, and like Grunds said, he's been planning this for years.

    It reminds me of the clip from Training Day, where Ethan Hawke's character got duped by Denzel.

    "You've been planning this all day!?!?".

    "Wrong. I've been planning this all WEEK."

    I honestly cannot believe that you're justifying Lebron's actions by essentially calling the Cavs a bunch of enablers.

    This is a piece I would have honestly expected to see written by someone paid by Lebron's people.

  • Believelander

    we interrupt this regularly scheduled LBJ fest to reportt on important news. The Cleveland Future-Uncursed-Politically-Correct Indians completed a 4 game sweep of the Detroit Tigers yesterday. In classy fashion, our major league debuting pitcher, Jenmear Gomez, posted 7 innings, giving up 0 ER (2 UR) on 5 hits, walking one, and striking out four. It was an odd weekend; Miguel Cabrera, in the hunt for the first Triple Crown since the 60s, had 2 hits in the series with 0 hr and 2 rbi. The heart of the Tigers order played awful ball, while the Tribe's 7 through 9 hitters posted bunches of RBIs, and Andy Marte hit a home run (?) and made a number of eye-popping defensive plays (???). Saturday featured a day-night doubleheader in which the Tribe nibbled away at a 3 run 1st inning deficit to topple Verlander 4-3. The night cap saw crazier action; Mitch Talbot worked out of a bases loaded, 0 out jam in the first without a ding, surrendering only one run in the second. It would've been the second run of the inning, but Andy Marte gunned out a runner trying to score from 3rd on a grounder. Carlos Santana's solo homer in the 4th tied the game at 1. And there it remained.

    In the 9th inning, the game was delayed for almost two hours for rain. The players, who had been playing since 1 pm, had to wait until after 11, when the game eded in the bottom of the 11th. With 2 outs, Jayson Nix singled,
    Santana was 'pitched around' (concealed intentional walk), and Austin Kearns slapped home the winning run with a walkoff type single.

  • Biki

    let's keep it going Believe! we've struggled mightily on the road, but road dog divisional rival games are where we can build some character in these young studs. let's hope Laffey can give us a strong outing and the bats continue to make timely hits. We get a mini-break with Morneau out of the lineup.

    5 in a row would tie season best and put us at 13-7 in last 20. baby steps

  • smittypop2

    RIP Coach Lou Brown…sad day in Cleveland.

  • rgrunds

    Believelander

    you shouldn't use the term "Indians". It demeans people by geographically misidentifying them. Have you bothered to think of the trauma you have carelessly inflicted? No, I didn't think so. In the future please refer to them as "Dignified Far-Trekking Asian Nomadics" or at least "Noble Savages". I think some sensitivity work is in order. Tonight you must wear Birkenstocks and take a man-hating lesbian out for a drink.

    Biki

    LeBronLeBronLeBronLeBronLeBronLeBronLeBron…..

  • Biki

    "give him the heater"

    "you may run like Mays but you hit like sh@#"

  • Carl

    "Gilbert made a ton of money"
    ___________

    As Brian Windhurst said the other day on national radio, at best Gilbert broke even the last 3 years.

    You do not make money in a market the size of Cleveland with the payroll Gilbert had.

  • Cleveland Frowns

    I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Both LeBron and the Cavs went wrong here. A lot of folks seem happy to give the Cavs a free pass on a disaster that could have been averted with a little leadership. I'm not.

  • Biki

    well i'm not sure about the free pass in terms of "enabling" Lebron, because according to the article, it was much more than just the Cavs, even the Olympic team lead by some of the best leaders ever in Colangelo and Coach K.

    I really don't know how the Cavs could've gotten better production from Lebron, afterall he is the 2 time current MVP of the league.

    what the Cavs front office CAN'T get a free pass on is the acquisitions/trades/drafting that they've done since Lebron was drafted:

    2003: James/Kapono – A+, but too bad they didn't hang on to JK
    2004: Luke Jackson – what a DISASTER – Passed on the likes of JOSH SMITH, Biedrins, Al Jefferson, JR Smith, Jameer Nelson. F – OUCH
    2005: no picks
    2006: Shannon Brown – obviously could've used him right now the way he's playing, draft Boobie and some other bum. D+
    2007: no picks
    2008: JJ – A solid
    2009: Eyenga and Green D-

    I mean other that Lebron's class, we've only had one other draft in 7 years that could be considered a positive in drafting JJ. Lord knows how much better the Cavs could've been if we drafted with better results in those years.

    Notwithstanding the free agent signings and trades which no way could earn them higher than a C+.

    Lebron carried the team and made the mediocre teammates better which kind of covered up the flaws of the Front Office. Obviously with the benefit of hindsight, things look a lot more black and white right now, but it seems to me that if we had a better, smarter, more effective Front Office via drafting and trades/FA, there is a good shot Lebron might still be here today.

    but in terms of enabling, i'm not really sure that is what the problem was. Lebron was as good of a teammate and player on and off the court as there is. never missed a practice, was definitely trying to help the younger guys. People forget about all the good things he did for guys like Sasha, Andy, and JJ, etc.

    In the end, we just couldn't put enough weapons around him in which he felt he could beat the Lakers or the Magic these upcoming 3-5 seasons. So he decided to form a team that could.

    I agree with Frownie that a lot of that has to go on Ferry and the front office people, but more from a personnel perspective, not as "enablers"

  • Chris

    The Gilbert / Ferry consortium is responsible for only 4 draft picks . Why only 4? Because Paxson, in his infinite retardedness traded all the future draft picks away.

    Biki, the people to blame for what you're talking about in respect to the draft are long gone.

    I'd also like to point out that Paxson's ineptitude is the main reason the Cavs were in a position to get Lebron in the first place.

  • Chuck

    Frowns,
    i get what you are saying about blame all around, but I think the trifecta of blame exists: the fans.

    they salivated and improperly anointed LB for years. true, fans are just fans, but the way fans acted like he could do no wrong was remarkable.

    That type of do-no-wrong fan base certainly impacted the way not only LB viewed himself as a real-life king, but impacted Gilbert's ability to step forward and be confrontation with the King where necessary.

  • Chris

    The fans are all idiots for cheering a hometown guy, the Cavs are idiots for trying to keep him happy here, and Lebron rides scot-free with the b.s. he pulled on national TV.

    Makes perfect sense.

    I'd also like to add that there are plenty of superstars who drew the adulation of their respective teams, and didn't feel the need to act like an asshole incessantly.

    The guy stabbed us in the heart on national tv, and it's ok with everyone. I'm sick of people crying about it, but I'm allowed to be angry and mf him whenever I please.

    For the last time, if he wanted to leave, then f'n leave. I don't care about that. Dragging it out and hosting an ESPN special so he could drop a load of manure on this city and its fans will never be forgivable.

    I'm seriously disgusted with what I'm reading here.

  • Biki

    with respect to the draft, you're 1000% right that we would never have gotten LeBenedict James if it wasn't for Paxson and them tanking some seasons. But he left in 2005, so the 2006, 07.08.09,10 draft are all under Ferry and Chris Grant. and ALL major Free Agent/Trade acquisitions are via Ferry/Grant. so yes, Danny Ferry is gone and rightfully so. but not sure how different things will be since Chris Grant is the one who handled the drafts and had a lot to say in the various acquisitions we made that were losing propositions.

    i guess right now i'm handling it a bit differently and with less anger than i probably will have once the season starts again and we struggle to win games. although who knows, mayb Byron and his run-and-gun offense added to the already strong defensive mentality of this team will help us overachieve. again, my school of thought is that what's done is done, Lebron is gone and we get into Lotto and add another talent to the team who is NBA ready, like hopefully Jared Sullinger will be.

  • Carl

    No one could stand James as a 19-year-old in the 2004 Athens Olympics, nor the 2006 World Championships. Officials feared James could become the instigator of everything they wanted to rid themselves for the ’08 Olympics. . . . Behind the scenes, officials had taken to calling James’ inner circle, “The Enablers.” No one ever told him to grow up. No one ever challenged him. . . .
    _____________

    Challenged him?

    How.

    I wrote here months ago when people were saying that the Cavs were going to sign coach K or Phil Jackson to coach the team that Gilbert tried to get Larry Brown and Ohil Jackson to coach before he got Mike Brown, and neither of those guys wanted to touch him.

    I knew there was something going on in the Olympics. I did not know it was as bad as it was.

  • Biki

    at the end of the day, Lebron produces, and he produces BIG TIME. so all this talk of people enabling blah blah blah, they won the Olympics in 2008, and all Coach K did was rave about Lebron's work ethic in practice, yada, yada, yada. now all these "reports" are coming out of the woodwork of him being a nuisance. well they didn't mind when he's crushing people out there on the court in Beijing. Or the 127 games he basically one on his back for Cleveland in 2 years.

    now all of a sudden he is this spoiled brat who has no respect for people. child please. the name of the game is to put the ball in the hoop and make your teammates better and win the game. and he did so at a pace better than ANY Cavs team in the history of the franchise, with mostly mediocre players who NONE of whom would start for the Lakers or the Celtics.

    Danny Ferry was fired for a reason, HE BLEW THE BIGGEST CHANCE A GM HAS EVER HAD!

  • Carl

    A lot of folks seem happy to give the Cavs a free pass on a disaster that could have been averted with a little leadership. I'm not.
    _____________

    Frowns,

    Have you ever managed people?

    Exactly what "leadership" were the Cavs supposed to show? Like the leadership Mike Brown showed in the playoffs when he pulled Lebron early in the Celtic series and the guy laid down the rest of the series?

    If the Cavs had tried to do ANYTHING to rein this guy in, he would have gone straight to the fans and pitted them against the Cav management. Bernie did the same thing to Belichick and Belichick showed "leadership" and got rid of him. How did you and the fans like that? How would you have liked the Cavs having to take the best offer on James 2 years ago because he would demand a trade? Or should they just have fired the person responsible for "challanging" him — like they did with Brown and Ferry. How did that work out? So the next coach and/or GM would know they had no authority over the guy the day they took the job.

    You think this guy will listen to Riley for 6 years? Seriously?

    Lebron James is a disaster. He had the Cavs and Gilbert in a corner, and he never let them out. If you can't see that, well……

  • Carl

    Biki,

    What moves should Danny Ferry have made?

    Get off it.

    Lebron was on ESPN the other day saying that Gilbert never looked at the long run.

    Seriously?

    Who was it demanding a championship every year.

    Lebron PRODUCES? So did Spencer Haywood, Allen Iverson and doesn's of other self-cented players.

    If the Heat get through the Celtics, Magic and Bulls this year…more power to them. All 3 teams can defend those guys — they have to coaches that have done it in the past.

    I spoke to a friend in LA yesterday. People around that town can't stand James. No one likes being fooled Biki. The fans and media are going to go straight after him and not let up. The better he plays the more they'll go after him.

    How has Tiger Woods been playing?

  • Biki

    what moves should Danny Ferry should've made??? i mean again, hindsight 20/20 is a very fortunate thing to have, but the cavs have made dozens and dozens of transactions since Ferry got here. You don't think your boy Sam Presti could've done a better job???

  • Cleveland Frowns

    Chris, I'm not sure if you're referring to me or Chuck, but in no way am I letting LeBron off "scot-free."

    Carl:

    "Exactly what "leadership" were the Cavs supposed to show? Like the leadership Mike Brown showed in the playoffs when he pulled Lebron early in the Celtic series and the guy laid down the rest of the series?"

    By the Celtics series it was too late. I've pointed out a number of occassions and situations recently of which the Cavs could have taken a stand, including the God pose on the billboard, and making personnel moves with an eye toward the long-term.

    "If the Cavs had tried to do ANYTHING to rein this guy in, he would have gone straight to the fans and pitted them against the Cav management."

    Fine, but at least we'd know they tried something. Stand for something or fall for nothing. How many times do you want me to repeat it?

    "Bernie did the same thing to Belichick and Belichick showed "leadership" and got rid of him. How did you and the fans like that?"

    I liked it just fine. I can't speak for the rest. But yeah, I'd prefer if the Cavs leadership had exercised the judgment of Bill Belichick, the best NFL coach of a decade. What's your point here?

  • rgrunds

    Biki

    Glad you don't want to talk about the Cavs anymore….

  • Biki

    what can i say, i guess i'm more of a cavs fan than believelander thought.

  • Chris

    Pete, I'm referring more to the general tone of the column. It seems to me that everyone is gathering blame except he who deserves it most.

    Biki, where it reads:

    2005: no picks
    and
    2007: no picks

    is because they were traded long before Ferry even hit the time zone.

    Luke Jackson was all Paxson. Ferry never had a chance to build through the draft mainly because Lebron instantly made his team of scrubs better than a lottery team, unlike Oklahoma City, who had a couple years to use the lottery.

  • Biki

    Chris, there were plenty of other opportunites in the draft for Ferry regardless of where the picks were in the draft in 06,08,09,10. 08 was only above average one, the rest was low grade dog food.

    and again, the free agents and trades were all mostly mediocre and obviously ended up being failures. 07 was a fluke since the East was so weak.

    but obviouslly hindsight is 20/20. we'll never know what coulda shoulda woulda happened if Larry Brown took the job or whoever else Gilbert had on his short list. but lebron's gone and let's hope this new regime can get luckier in the moves they make.

  • Chuck

    bill simmons joined my bandwagon: trade for gilbert arenas.

    all this OKC talk is way over-hyped. They were SO LUCKY in getting Durant. AND they were in the fortunate position in having Ray Allen to trade for a #4 pick.

    For every OKC that "did it right" there are 5 more teams with good intentions and capable GMs that try to do it that way but just doesn't work out. You can suck way worse than everyone 3 years in a row and all it guarantees you is 3 #4 draft picks.

    I say take a swing for getting this team right back in the playoffs.

    But considering that an Arenas trade is highly unlikely, I still could see merit in giving some other fading star a 2nd chance (Josh Howard, Richard Jefferson?), then see what the rest of the guys can do. The Heat and Bucks were not good teams last year, but were 5 adn 6 seeds in the East. Cavs can compete. And if they do, they will be in a nice position to flip guys like Mo Williams and Jamison (assuming they can put up typical numbers) in the middle of the season. The competitive rebuild is not some impossible thing…..and historically just as likely to succeed as the OKC model.

  • Biki

    the Heat had Dwayne Wade, a top 5 player in the NBA, and occassionally Jermaine O'Neal, not to mention Haslem and some other role players who got the job done enough to win 46.

    the Bucks had one of the best big men in the game till the end of the season, one of the more explosive PG's in the league and then a lot of solid role players who are gritty and tough.

    and oh yeah, the EAST was WEAK last year. it has gotten a helluva lot better this year.

    i really don't see us making the playoffs this year and it's not the worst thing in the world if we don't. i really feel there is some solid talent in the lottery and we need to scoop up talent anyway we can. not saying we tank games, but i'm not sure we have enough talent to win more than 40 max. but if we get the 5 or 6, or even the 8, it would be cool to see us go against the Heat!

  • Chuck

    Biki,
    I tend to agree with everything you said.

    My problem is that people are calling for us to tank, as if that is some magical remedy.

  • Biki

    @Chuck, i agree completely with you. Carl is the one who has been talking up OKC but he didn't really acknowledge the fact that OKC/Seattle TANKED for years and had 3 Top 5 picks, and 5 first round total in a 3 year span.

    I'm definitely not calling for something of that magnitude, but while i don't wish the cavs to be unsuccessful, i don't think it would be the worst thing in the world if we did have a down year and was able to get in the lotto. Who knows, maybe we could get lucky and win the damn thing, or get in top 3 and get a Harrison Barnes, etc.

    we shall see, we definitely have an ambitious, over-spending owner so who knows what the future holds. i think they have a year of patience with the fans, we are basically sold out next year anyway.

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