Um, hey @Cavs_Chants, what are you, twelve? (UPDATE)

by Cleveland Frowns on November 30, 2010

(UPDATE: See below for a word from the man behind @Cavs_Chants.)

Isn’t it just the kind of thing to would get picked up all over the media? Nothing’s a better story than when people get organized to act like sociopaths.

A “Delonte” chant? “Akron hates you”? That’s what we’re supposed to sing at LeBron when he comes back to Cleveland on Thursday night according to an impossibly cloying (and anonymous) social media campaign, @Cavs_Chants (website here, Twitter here, “chant sheet” here).

The Plain Dealer’s number one Cavs beat reporter Mary Schmitt Boyer is calling these “clever ideas.”

The AP’s Tom Withers calls them “creative,” which is one way to put it, because we could have never imagined something this embarrassingly dumb (this is what we’re supposed to sing at the start of the third quarter, according to “Cavs Chants”):

(To the tune of “My Country Tis of Thee”)

Our King he betrayed Thee

Couldn’t play any ‘D’

He has no RING!

Playoffs He Barely Tried

Embarassed Akrons Pride

No Doubt he really lied

He HAS NO RING! (Repeat as Necessary)

Repeat as necessary! What if people actually sang this?

We hope Rick Grayshock is right at Waiting for Next Year when he says that a unified response here is impossible. We think he might be because everybody grieves in his own way, and all that LeBron, his story, really is at bottom, at least at the moment, is incredibly and profoundly sad.

Folks can pretend like a man can be an island, and that the kid who grew up broke without a dad living in his homeless mom’s car should have known exactly how to react in an unprecedentedly complicated situation. They can pretend it’s obvious that seven years of ass kissing and looking the other way on the part of Cleveland’s media, the Cavs’ front office, and the posse of sychophants that surrounded the kid since he became an instant hundred millionaire at the age of 18 had absolutely no impact on LeBron’s bad decision. Folks can pretend it will make them feel better to chant about rumors that one of LeBron’s former teammates screwed his mom.

And if it really does make them feel better, they’re probably technically definitively sociopaths, at least for the moment. But everyone grieves in his own way. And at least they got on TV and picked up a bunch of Twitter followers for a few days, got to yell some mean stuff at one of Northeast Ohio’s own.

Hype machine!* Clever! Creative!

So unspeakably sad.**

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The LaughAtLeBron campaign seems like a much better idea (now on CNN!), if only because laughing is one decent way to respond to something so incredibly profoundly sad. The problems here are 1) that the LaughAtLeBron folks are “partners” with the LeBron_Chants people, and most importantly 2) that laughter can’t be forced or faked, and there’s just no way that so many would participate with the integrity necessary to muster a real laugh here. So this is how we’ll get LeBron. With a half-hearted chorus of fake laughter. Hardee-har.

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Figures that Gregg Doyel of CBS, ever the contrarian, comes off as a voice of reason here.

[F]or the love of God, don’t follow the lead of an … Esquire writer named Scott Raab, a Cleveland native who has taken to Twitter to stalk James — cursing him out, calling him Biblically juvenile names, behaving like the worst fan in the world. Which he may well be. Scott Raab may well be the worst Cleveland fan in the world. But he has a book to sell, and here I go, helping him pick up a few more Twitter followers. Maybe the joke’s on me.

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*Oh hey, look! Two ladies from Boston want us to send them money so they can make a documentary to tell us what it means to have lost LeBron. Where do we send the check!?

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**So much sadder that Dan Gilbert’s childish flaming has contributed to so much of this.

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UPDATE: We heard from the person behind “Cavs Chants,” Bob O’Brien, who’s a 19 year old freshman at Syracuse [we were close!], and corresponded cordially with us to explain where he’s coming from.

“I’m a prideful Clevelander, and as much as I’d like to say I don’t care what National voices say, I do care. ESPN, CNN, and everyone else is looking to jump onto Cleveland at the first sign of stupidity Thursday night. I figure we (Cleveland) could counteract one goon throwing a bottle with a unified effort of our anti-lebron sentiment. … I just think that the anger is going to be let out no matter what, why not attempt to unify and not have Cleveland be perceived as ‘creative’?”

O’Brien also explained that “[t]he [My Country 'Tis of Thee] ‘Jingle’ is simply wishful thinking that an English Soccer type atmosphere would break out,” which is fair enough, and a relief.

Anyway, the theory here is that anger and hatred are things to be suppressed and diffused, not nurtured and funneled toward other people. Thanks to O’Brien for getting in touch to help us get to the bottom of this fundamental disagreement.

  • Chris

    You may have just set some kind of internet record for linking to yourself during a post, so there's that.

    I definitely think the entire Cavs Chants thing is a extremely juvenile.

    Also, I'd like to point out that as much as you dislike (detest? hate? despise?) Dan Gilbert, I'm in the middle of something pretty awesomely Cavs fan related right now. If I get the conclusion I'm expecting, I'll have something on it very soon.

  • Cleveland Frowns

    One good thing about thinking and writing consistently about a given subject is that it allows for the citation of earlier work for increased clarity, so thanks. I do recommend that folks click and read all the links in this and every post.

    Am holding my breath for something "pretty awesomely Cavs fan related."

  • Biki

    great post Frownie, we actually agree 100% on something!

    re: Cavs, if they can somehow pull some magic and get Igoudala for the trade exemption we got for Bron, they actually could make things much more interesting this year and possibly a run for the 4th or 5th seed.

    I love Igoudala's game and he would fit in well into Byron's system. It's just a matter of what will Philly want in return. We'll see what sort of skills Grant has and if he has Gilbert's blessing to take on salary and try to improve the team.

  • Vinny Sandy

    I'm glad you're the voice of reason again Frownie.

    I think of this whole situation as when you have a bad break-up with a long term SO. When you get any reaction (positive or negative)from the EX, you know they still care. Because simply, there is still emotion, at least enough emotion to induce reaction. The point when you truly know it's "over" is when you get no reaction, because they don't care. (I do realize that as I say this, I fall into this as I am in fact "reacting" because if I didn't care I wouldn't speak out)

    If Cavs fans, hypothetically, were to unite and to organize anything, it should be absolute silence.

    Again, people are at different stages of their grieving, so they need some pound of flesh and to get their anger out. I just pray that someone doesn't do anything stupid and that we don't reflect any negativity on our fan base and great city.

    Nice to hear you on KNR yesterday, great radio, great debate. LeCharles gave you quite a bit to handle.

  • PETER

    Vinny is 100% right. The silent treatment would hurt more than boos. Treating Lebron like a no name stiff that gets no reaction during introductions would cut the most and would give Cavs fans the best possible image. I have been in Orlando when Shaq returned and it just looked and sounded ugly. Lebron deserves the worst treatment, but the treatment must not make Cavs fans look bad. Silence is golden and burngandy.

  • the commenter formerly known as p

    actually, you agree with KNR for once too. rizzo talked extensively about how stupid it would be for cavs fans to take the bait and act like total idiots on thursday during his morning show today.

    @ peter and vinny: my personal preference is that NO ONE show up to the game. empty arena. gilbert treats everyone with tickets to food/beverages/big screen t.v.'s for game-watching set up outside the Q while lebron plays solely for the cameras in a completely silent arena.

    wordverification: slinit. clearly the universe is backing the lebron slinit treatment meme.

  • Pittsburgh is for Man Lovers

    I like the silence idea and going nuts during the home team intros – but it will never ever ever happen. I will help the cause with those filmmakers and send them a roll of pennies and a coupon for a free hug when they make it to God's Country.

  • Cleveland Frowns

    Just got this email from someone named M.Z. Jr. Posting it here.

    Hey Frowns,

    Tried to post this below, but was having issues (mosy likely because I was trying to post for my first time from my phone). Wanted you to share this somehow as a thank you for your post:

    Thank you, Frowns, for this post. I cannot believe that this juvenile idea is being endorsed, encouraged, and given credence by so many that I thought were of reasonable human intelligence and sensibility.

    I cannot think of a more (as you say) sad idea. I believe that their intent is pure, but how they want to go about this is unnatural, and will run contrary to their intent of saving CLE from a black eye (no ref).

    And the fact they remain anonymous makes me skeptical… doesn't anyone want to know who is behind the curtain? And wouldn't anyone giving credence to this story want to consider the source (at minimum) prior to endorsing?

    As for Gilbert, the tweets were incredibly poor form, and I agree (to an extent) that he was an LBJ enabler. What gives me pause, if it is true, is the fact that he did not fire M. Brown when LeBron wanted him gone. He instead stood by him, and that means something. Not completely sure what, but it means something. I am not a Gilbert sympathiser, but I do think that his hands were somewhat tied.

  • WFNYCraig

    Can I agree and disagree with you simultaneously?

    I was a fan of this idea until I saw the list of chants and that horrendous song. I have told the people at Cavs_chants that too.

    I think the idea is a good one even if it has a low chance of success. I am a nerd, so having a plan always seems like a good idea to me. BUT, that the song is BEYOND RIDICULOUSLY BAD and the Delonte chant isn't something I can support.

    So, I am off the cavs_chant bandwagon as of right now.

    On the subject of self-linking, I think it is a very important aspect of blogging, but you might consider toning it down Frownie. With TOO many links comes a muddled mess and a lack of clarity, which is the opposite of what you are going for.

    You would be better off quoting yourself on occasion rather than creating an endless game of "choose your own adventure" with HTML.

    That's just my opinion on it though.

  • Biki

    while it doesn't change the fact that these songs were played at the game, at least they fired the guy: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5864754

  • Christopher

    What I can't figure out is, what's wrong with good ol' fashioned booing with your occasional rude and over the top heckler thrown in? You alter the decibel level of your boooos and alter the number of your hecklers to a level commensurate with the situation.

    It's worked brilliantly for fifty or more years, I don't see a need to change now.

  • Daniel

    http://www.ohio.com/sports/111058769.html

    Yet another hack job on Mangini, Frowns keep fighting the good fight, as apparently the media has an exceptionally thick skull.

  • Bryan

    What about a chant of "We love Cleveland!"? It gets the only points across that matter, in the long run.

  • Art Brosef

    LBJ is an adult. HE is responsible for the way he conducts himself. HE is responsible for the choices he makes. Everyone is a product of their environment, so the point is moot. If I met some guy at the bar, grocery store, or at work and he was an a**shole, I wouldnt try to get to the bottom of his situation. I would think to myself "what an a**hole", and I would move on.

    Im not pretending any of those things you said regarding LBJ arent true, I just dont care.

  • Blake

    If you ever watched Jordan when he would play at MSG, he would feed off of the negative energy of the crowd, drop 50 points on the Knicks, and have an ongoing discussion with Spike Lee about why his latest movies sucked. While LeBron has shown that he is most definitely no MJ, I do agree that the silent treatment would rattle him the most. Although, I find that as likely to happen as Gilbert buying up all the tickets so the teams play in an empty house.

  • Art Brosef

    And let me clarify, I dont "not care" as it relates to feeling sympathy towards someone stuck growing up in such a situation.

    Its that I dont care about it now as it relates to justifying the actions of a 25 year old man.

  • pendulum11

    Bryan, I agree with you. Also lost in all of this vitriol is the fact that we could… cheer really loud for our Cavaliers (gasp!) and, as the 6th man, focus on helping to propel them to victory. CLE wins here! What could be worse for the Heat than a loss?

    BTW, the cavs chant guy seems like a good, well-intentioned chap.

  • Chris

    Sorry, but an empty arena is an awful idea. Then you end up punishing the players who are still here.

  • Kev

    I agree with WFNY Craig completely. The idea is good in nature. The Delonte West chant is incredibly juvenile and could be replaced with "we love Cleveland or something equally positive.

    @Cavs_Chants has the right idea in trying to unite fans' anger. And since the silent/empty idea won't possibly work despite my preference, this is about as good of an alternative as I've seen. Fans are pretty juvenile most of the time anyways. Might as well unite them.

    Thanks for putting up a take on this frowns. I always enjoy ur opinion even when I don't agree.

  • Biki

    other than some heavy boo-ing when Lebron has the ball, i really don't see much else going on. Cavs games are COMPLETELY different than Browns games, mainly due to the fact that there is significantly less amount of alcohol consumed HOURS before and during the game.

    even though Gilbert went on the "sore loser rant" that he did, it seems that the Cavs as well as the NBA are going to extra lengths to ensure a "family entertainment" environment, so i'm sure they have some processes in place in case some derogatory chants begin.

    why hasn't anyone talked about the actual game? it will be the 2nd half of a b2b for Miami, so hopefully Detroit gives them hell on Weds.

  • Believelander

    OK, I'm laughing a bit here. This is mostly good stuff, Frownie, but you're being LeBron's attorney here; he is as culpable as Gilbert or moreso.

    After losing to Celtics in 08: "get me more talent or else". Enter Delonte West, Mo Williams, biggest roster overturn and improvement possible in one off-season.

    LeBron put the Cavs in an untenable position. He forced them to mortgage off their future to win titles NOW. Draft picks? Young talent? The future? Hah. Let's get what we can get now and win titles.

    The Cavs went along – because LeBron was the franchise's greatest asset. Dan Gilbert gutted the team's future to give LBJ a shot at the title, and so he would stay, so he would be happy.

    He did these things for a grown man, one whose legacy of having his hand held began with the Gunds. And with Nike before that. And in the end, LeBron betrayed DG, the Cavs, and Cleveland. He told them this:

    'mortgage your future for ME, because I am your future.' He mother effing LIED, Frowns. He's a god damn selfish child and you know it. He INTENTIONALLY sabotoged Cleveland's free agency, putting his decision off past the point of reasonability, so he could be on TV. And…

  • Believelander

    …let's talk about DG being childish and immature.

    You still haven't answered a question I asked in the comments month ago after you started bashing the Cavs' owner:

    How would you feel if someone lied to you, spit on your face, embarrassed you publicly, AND cost you upwards of HALF A BILLION DOLLARS?

    That's 50,000,000,000 pennies. 500,000,000 dollars.

    As in, 498,500,000 more dollars than I'll see in my lifetime.

    Still wondering how Dan should have reacted. Because he got hosed. And don't blame him as an 'enabler'. Kid gloves with superathletes goes on in all pro sports. LeBron is an immature whiny kid surrounded by sycophants. He's pathetic, he's my age with the maturity of a puppy. And quite frankly, until DG does something to screw over Cleveland, I think it's unreasonable to bash him as you do any time you bring up the Cavs or LeBron, when he's not the one who stiffed his home town.

    Hell, the guy's not even from Cleveland, and he at least tried to make us feel better.

    I'm done.

    undonono: word ver of what LeBron probably wishes he could do with the Collusion now.

  • Biki

    How exactly did Bron cause Gilbert to lose "HALF A BILLION DOLLARS"??

    There was always the risk of Lebron leaving, everyone knew that, especially Gilbert.

    Lebron was a "FREE AGENT", he was entitled to leave. When did Lebron "LIE"?? You may be confusing Lebron for Boozer. And Lebron's departure is much different than Barkley's trade demands.

    I wish Windhorst will reveal some of the other info he has on why he thinks Lebron left and some other reasons to Bron's choke-job against Boston. If you guys haven't listed to the radio/internet interview he did with the PD's new broadcats platform, it was pretty good.

  • Chris

    Of course he was allowed to leave. But did he have to shit on everyone who truly cared about him in the process?

    Forbes estimated that the Cavalier franchise lost half a billion dollars when Lebron left. He probably could have done it a little more tactfully. If you argue against that point, there really isn't any talking to you about it.

  • Biki

    you really think people in cleveland would be more forgiving of him if he went door to door and explained why he needed to leave??? child please. YES, of course it was a dumb decision to do "The Decision" and he should've called Gilbert as soon as he had made his "Decision" but the fact of the matter is that the worst possible thing about this is that he is not on the team. I've been saying that all along. I personally could care less what he said or didn't say, he's no longer on the Cavs, and that's the worst part of it all. Now we have to rebuild, etc, etc. But like Gilbert said, we didn't get it done with him, so now hopefully we can build it even better. We shall see.

  • Believelander

    Biki, the equity loss of the Cavaliers franchise from LeBron leaving was about 100,000,000 by itself.

    Now let's think about his casinos, the Chinese investors in the Cavaliers who pulled out, the loss of revenue to the city of Cleveland and the Cavs from tourism (yes, LeBron was a tourist attraction), and the list of the ways he hit DG in the pocketbook go on.

    Even if it's 400,000,000, 300,000,000, 200,000,000 dollars, how is DG supposed to react? And actually, Biki, you're WRONG, he did LIE.

    "It's my goal to bring a championship here to Cleveland and I'm not going to stop until I get it."

    That would be referred to as a LIE. So he LIED. To CLEVELAND. Maybe you didn't hear him say it over there in NEW YORK CITY.

  • Biki

    @Believe, ok, fine, if you consider that a lie, then I guess every nba player, coach, owner is a liar, becaue they all say stuff like that in their introductory press conferences.

    As far as the Chinese investor, it is not confirmed that they pulled out simply because of Lebron not signing. But of course conspiracy theories abound is that they pulled out because of "The Decision". But who cares?? why should it be on the shoulders of Lebron on who invests in the team? HE WAS A FREE AGENT!!! His job is to play basketball and he was allowed to choose to who his next employer is. Obviously he felt he wanted to play elsewhere. Does it suck he left our team, sure does, but it is totally within his rights to do so. Just because he's really really good at basketball he needs to be involved in investment partners and "the equity" of the team? That is the job of all the people who work in the Front Office, not Lebron.

    Dan Gilbert has made plenty of money sellin Cavs products solely because of Lebron and he was salty that his gravy train was gone. Now I guess he'll have to make money just like any other NBA owner has to and build a team without having to rely solely on one player.

    Did Lebron make a mistake for doing "The Decision", 100%, and he has even admitted as much. But IT'S HIS LIFE and HIS BUSINESS to chose where he plays.

  • Biki

    and enough with the loss of tourism, blah, blah, blah, that should not be on the shoulders of Lebron. So everyone was milking off Lebron's fame and now they are upset that he decides to live his life and try something else. CHILD PLEASE.

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