Mangini leads Jets to victory over Patriots (NFL Playoffs/Browns Coordinator Vacancy Frowndup)

by Cleveland Frowns on January 17, 2011

Like we said, it would have been really hard for the Jets to lose to the Patriots yesterday with Eric Mangini so hard on the case for the New York side.

In a media run the likes of which we’ve never seen, the freshly-fired Browns head coach was all over the press last week pushing a  strategy by which the Jets could beat the heavily-favored Patriots. This included a number of studio appearances on ESPN, and a column penned for the New York Post in which Mangini explained the strategy.

All that was left for the Jets to do was take Coach’s plan and run with it, which is exactly what they did. Here’s Mangini writing for the Post last week:

Defensively against Brady you have to spin the Rolodex and not let him know what defense you’re in. You have to make sure you don’t show a pattern, not letting it look like he expects it to look. That’s when you have your best shot.

The Patriots will work hard to gather information with long, delayed counts. They may try to speed it up with a no-huddle or quick counts, so it’s a back-and-forth. You’re trying not to give him anything and they’ve got tools to gather information.

In our 2006 game — a 17-14 Jets win over the Patriots at Gillette Stadium, the last time Brady lost at home — we hit Brady a bunch of times because we had a massive commitment to disguise, disguise, disguise and they hadn’t seen it, hadn’t expected it.

Here’s Jets cornerback Darelle Revis after the game, explaining how the Jets were able to slow the Patriots offense:

We just disguised real good today,” Revis said, “and I think that’s what confused Tom today.”

And Jets linebacker Bart Scott, who “was asked when he knew that Gang Green was in Brady’s head”:

When [Brady] started looking for the rush when there was no rush,” Scott said. “When he thought after a certain amount of time that somebody was coming, he was fidgeting and throwing it. I give [Steelers QB] Ben Roethlisberger a lot of credit, ’cause he’s man enough to stand in the pocket and look down the barrel of the game and take the hit.”

Burn. Dang. Anyway, after having been hamstrung with absurdly substandard talent for two seasons has head coach in Cleveland, then being summarily screwed out of his job for it, it had to be really rewarding for Mangini to see his game plan put to use with such awesome effect yesterday by a team with a real NFL roster. Even better to have seen it done with so many of the players that Mangini himself had selected and coached to do just that. Here’s more from the coach on some of his former charges in New York:

We drafted to try to beat the Patriots, because if you can’t beat them you can’t win the division. The reason we drafted Nick Mangold was because we needed a center to hold up against the nose guard, which is the driving force in a 3-4 defense, especially for an inside running game. We drafted Mangold to battle Patriots nose tackle Vince Wilfork.

If Mangold can do a good job handling Wilfork on the inside, the Jets will have success running the ball. I think the Jets can run the ball on New England if they are patient. They can run the ball and they can use Sanchez to get out of the pocket, which puts pressure on the entire defense. New England has struggled on third down (allowing a 47.1 conversion rate).

The Jets have a lot of great matchups to pressure the inside of the Patriots defense with tight end Dustin Keller and wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery … .

Wilfork was held sackless yesterday, along with the rest of the Pats defense, and Cotchery led the Jets with five catches for 96 yards, including the play of the game, a 58-yard reception to set up a touchdown just after the Pats had closed to within a field goal to start the fourth quarter.

It’s impossible to argue with Bart Scott here.

“The better team won,” Scott said. “Not the better quarterback . . . not the better coach . . . the better team won.”

The better team, for sure. And we couldn’t be happier for Mangini about it. Steelers up next, Coach. Get after it.

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Alright. On with The Shurmur Era:

So, Rob Ryan to the Cowboys. If you’re one of the folks who thinks that Ryan’s reputation received a significant boost from Mangini’s defensive expertise, this probably doesn’t bother you so much.

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Bill Mason stays in Denver; Dick Jauron to stay in Philly? Thought to be new Browns head coach Pat Shurmur’s top choice for offensive coordinator, Mason decided to stay somewhere where he could be the one calling the plays, which makes sense (remember, Shurmur has announced that he’ll call the plays as head coach in Cleveland).

Eagles defensive backs coach Jauron, former head coach in Chicago and Buffalo, is reportedly Shurmur’s first choice on the other side of the ball, but is no longer a leading candidate for the defensive coordinator for the position after what the Plain Dealer’s Mary Kay Cabot reports as the Eagles “surprising” decision to fire defensive coordinator Sean McDermott. Maybe the Eagles’ decision to fire the 38-year-old McDermott really shouldn’t have been so surprising in view of the prospect of losing Jauron, 60. At this point, nobody should be surprised if Jauron is named the Eagles new defensive coordinator shortly.

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Here’s a nice thought from Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio. Did the Jets save football by winning in New England yesterday?

Regardless of the reason, the Pats have hit a rough spot in the postseason since making it to 18-0 three years ago, and it remains to be seen whether they can break out of it in 2011, or beyond.

The good news for football fans?  The fact that the Pats have gone yet another year since 2004 without another Super Bowl win could make owner Robert Kraft even more antsy to see his team back on the field again, which could prompt him to push even harder for a quick resolution to the ongoing labor dispute between the NFL and the players’ union.

At the very least, this highlights the unlikelihood that these guys won’t be able to figure something out by opening day next season, with so much at stake.

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Here’s the Post’s media critic Phil Mushnick getting after the weekend’s Divisional Round broadcasts: “NFL voices drone on and on.

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And finally, don’t forget, it’s MLK Day, one of the best days there is to remember that what’s right and what’s legal are two different things.

(It's good to break bad laws.)

Here’s to these two different things continuing to overlap with increasing frequency, and of course, to the good Doctor.

We’ll be back tomorrow unless something crazy happens. Hope everyone’s week gets off to a decent start.

  • Believelander

    I tried to go to the bank today.

    Sorry, Dr. King. Forgot it was your b-day.

  • Brian Sipe

    I am afraid to death about the cord situation… I knew we would get a rookie coach, but thought for sure they would put stud cords around them…

    • Biki

      let them do their job.

  • Biki

    yeah I guess Rex changed up his entire gameplan after he read Mangini’s article which was posted on Saturday, January 15, the day before the game.

    it also seems like the same strategy the Jets used against Peyton Manning last week. Jets take down 2 HOF QBs in b2b weeks. let’s see what gameplan EM gives Rex for Big Ben. he’s a different animal because Ben works best when he’s on the run, which Brady and Peyton can’t do. If Brady was at all mobile he might’ve been able to run for some positive yards yesterday. oh well. same old Jets.

    • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

      Rex’s game plan looked awesome on December 6th. I’m sure he wouldn’t pay any attention to what the coach who led the only team that took liberties with New England this year had to say about it.

      • Biki

        Of course they looked at situations where Brady struggled, but the Rex coached Jets are now 3-2 against the Pats.

      • Biki

        again, Mangini’s article was posted on Saturday. Obviously I’m sure Rex looked at a lot of tape of the Browns win and I’m sure his brother Rob spent some time talking to them as well. It’s not all Rex either though, they have a pretty good defensive coaches for the Jets in Mike Pettine and Bob Sutton (who was Mangini’s DC in NY, but decided to stay with Rex instead of leaving to go to work for EM in CLE)

        • Anonymous

          derpderpderp. Don’t think I won’t ban you this week, Biki. Four comments by noon is more than enough, I think everyone else can agree.

          • Biki

            hey, what can i say, it’s fun to be a Jets fan right about now. and i’m sure you’ll all be J-E-T-S fans this weekend, surely you guys don’t want the Steelers to go to yet another SB

          • Anonymous

            It’s really not that simple at all.

          • Anonymous

            I will have to respectfully disagree with you on that one – if Satan goes to another SB, there really is no justice in this world.

          • Anonymous

            Biki, why did you call Pete/CF Shirley? I wracked my feeble brain trying to think of a way that both the ravens and the steelers could lose, however I did find a brief bit of solace in seeing the Pats lose. The beloved Browns dished out a 34-14 drubbing of Tom, The Hoodie and the boys, then the joined@thehipJets did so as well. I am the dummest guy I know, but I spent a lot of time as a confused DB, this gave me at least a modicum of knowledge on how to spot a confused QB. Tom Terrific looked lost, especially when calling an audible at the line. The Jets and Browns did a comparable set disguise. Man-genius deserves a bit of consideration for knowing how to confuse QB’s and some credit for showing how to beat the daunted Pats.

          • Believelander

            I’m hoping by some obscure rule that both teams lose..

            But I’d rather let the Jets get to the Super Bowl, where they will hopefully be crushed by either Jay Cutler or Aaron Rodgers.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, the Post column ran on Saturday, but Mangini drew up the plan long ago.

      • Biki

        hey, thank you EM, i’ll say it a million times if the Jets can win a couple more games and be the SB champs. i wonder how many cartwheels Braylon will do.

        besides, a lot of teams have figured out how to stop Brady, they just don’t execute the gameplan, but the Jets did so yesterday. i believe that puts Brady at 0-3 in his last 3 playoff games and no SB wins in 6 years, so he can be beaten.

        • Anonymous

          That’s the right attitude.

  • http://www.redright88.com Titus Pullo

    Frowns bringing the comedy on a frigid Monday. Very much appreciated!

    • Anonymous

      I have no idea what you’re talking about. As always, there’s nothing written here that’s not 100% serious.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XUMUVFPYOOTFE5JQUYIO6DZPVI kyle w

    Why did you pick the Patriots then? I am sure the Jets and their fans are thanking Mangini too. He traded them Edwards and let them move up to draft Sanchez for less compensation than expected. How’s that trade working out? No credit to Rex Ryan or anything! All Hail King Mangini!

    • Anonymous

      I didn’t pick the Pats, I picked the Jets. Was a typo on the actual pick, but the analysis was for a Jets pick.

    • Believelander

      Nope, no cred for Rex Ryan, because he just doesn’t seem like a good person.

      Ok, he’s fine and all, but really.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XUMUVFPYOOTFE5JQUYIO6DZPVI kyle w

        Rex is definately entertaining! The Jets have done a great job surrounding Sanchez with playmakers. To go from an aging L.Coles, T. Jones, Stuckey and J. Cotchery to Holmes, Edwards, Keller, LT, S. Greene and Cotchery is a nice upgrade. If the Browns believe in McCoy they should do the same thing. If not, it will be Tim Couch all over again.

  • http://bryanjoiner.com/ Bryan Joiner

    I still believe!

    (In Aaron Rodgers!)

  • Ralbrec1

    Don’t forget, of course, that Mangini was leading the Jets even as the Browns head coach. The quarterback who outplayed Brady on Sunday was gift-wrapped by Mangini to his former team. Hard to believe you left that out, Frowns.

    • The Cuuuuuuuuuuuuuugs

      If by gift wrapped you mean Mangini decided he would rather take the top center (Alex Mack = Nick Mangold) AND receive intelligent guys who would be leaders in installing his defensive schemes for histalent-depleted new team, then yes, he did gift wrap him. Sometimes you have to make tough decisions; as much as having Sanchez might be appealing, there were other needs that had to be addressed first.

      Mark Sanchez would not be doing for the Browns what he is doing for the Jets. His role would not have been the same. And no offense, but I wouldn’t exactly classify Mark Sanchez as a franchise quarterback just yet. He has been the beneficiary of some talent-laden rosters and good fortune.

      Look at the top flight young QBs left in the playoffs. NONE of them were drafted onto a poor team and have been the reason for their team’s improvement in success. One was an added piece via trade (Cutler), one was groomed for several years (Rodgers), and two started as rookies, but were blessed with highly-talented defenses and offensive playmakers (Rothlisberger, Sanchez).

      Outplayed might be stretching it. It’s not like it was Brady vs. Sanchez, one-on-one out there; it was Brady and the New England O vs. the Jets’ D and Sanchez and the New York O vs. the Patriots’ D. If you had to go into a game and select one of those six as your top draft choice, I think we all would be taking the Jets D.

      • Anonymous

        Thanks, Cugs.

      • Anonymous

        Thanks, Cugs.

  • Matt

    Really Big Show moving to afternoon drive

  • Anonymous

    Does one’s heart good to see a blogger who can both make fun of himself a bit and punk folks who haven’t had their coffee yet —I’m being charitable to said folks— at the same time.

    I do think that everyone watching football this weekend should at least soften off all the sturm and drang about how all-mighty coaches are, and how this decision is just life and death for the Browns. Ryan beat Bellicheck. Tomlinson won again, making no good decisions or strategic adjustments I could see. And everyone continued to blow the numbers on 4th down calls. You can definitely win in this league with good players and a just competent coach. They just don’t make a ton of difference. Organizational stability and clear thinking is way more important.

    • Nicholas

      “Organizational stability and clear thinking is way more important. ”

      Isn’t the head coach a critical element to both those criteria?

      And specific to Mangini – you’re right on one hand, the coach can only do so much, and no he wasn’t such a force that he willed the team to more wins than expected.

      On the other hand, the circumstances of his firing look like anything but ‘Clear Thinking,’ and that’s what’s really so aggravating about the whole situation.

      Secondly, as far as ‘Organizational Stability’ goes, it again looks like we’re going the exact opposite direction. From power running team to WCO? And from 3-4 to 4-3 (and a coach who’s quoted “There’s a defense?”). It’s hard to see any stability here, and it’s all been a direct result of Mangini’s release.

      • Anonymous

        Nicholas, there is at least one benefit to The Beloved Browns running a WCO.
        I left the frozen tundra as soon as I could see over the steering wheel and I went to a University in Texas where my orange Browns wardrobe was not at all out of place.
        I also went to every “Mass of Orange” home game and a bunch of road games as well and even though Mack “Huh?” Brown may not have been completely cognizant of his actions, his offense did prepare Colt McHatfield to be a QB in a WCO.
        Despite the resent bad decisions by “The Powers that Be” I am still looking upon next year with my Cleveland de riguer brainless optimism.
        Shall we all jump on the “wait till next year” bandwagon?

      • Anonymous

        >>>Isn’t the head coach a critical element to both those criteria?>>>

        Enh. Some coaches have a lot of front office pull and duties, some don’t. Most don’t. I don’t get the feeling the Steelers even let their coaches see a draft board. There is unit cohesion more than anything else. Everyone is on the same page as far as what their identity is and what the roles they need to fill are. Tomlinson’s job is to get his guys ready to play.

        The only way you will think this is evidence of faulty thinking from H&H is if you discount, ala Frownie, the idea that M on the one hand and H&H on the other weren’t a good natural fit philosophically. They would have butted heads.

        >>>Secondly, as far as ‘Organizational Stability’ goes, it again looks like we’re going the exact opposite direction. From power running team to WCO?>>>

        On both offense and defense, we’re really going from a basically blank slate. There is not a single good player on this team I can think of that is a mismatch for a WC scheme. Cribbs especially will be a much better fit now. I always thought he should be running the slants, he’s the best fit maybe in the NFL for that. The d line will make more sense (if Rodgers is stayng). We’ll need anther end but it’s just moving the position of need from LB. And I think of it more as what is going to win in this division, not what fits the talent we (don’t) have. Trying to become smash-mouth neanderthal on offense and sneaky and flexible on defense is imo playing into the hands of the Steelers and to a lesser extent the Ravens. We looked like an 8-8 team against everyone else, but more like a 1-15 team against those two.

        I think people have it 180 degrees wrong when they question WCO in this division. WC is built to take what the Steelers will give you.

    • Captain Spaulding

      What I took away from this weekend is how far the Browns roster is from being anywhere near playoff-caliber.

      I honestly don’t think any of the Browns skill players on offense (except for maybe Hillis?) would even play for any of the teams I watched this weekend (including Seattle), let alone start. For example, I would take Jordy Nelson (GB’s 3rd or 4th receiving option) over every WR on the Browns roster.

      Defensively, Fujita, Ward & Haden could probably play on most defenses, but that may be it.

      Safe to say that Heckert has his work cut out for him.

      • http://twitter.com/technivore Matthew Rich

        co-sign. It’s really shocking just how much more talent (and *speed*) the playoff teams have.

        Which, I guess, makes perfect sense if you think about it for 2 consecutive seconds.

        • Captain Spaulding

          Yea, but according to Grossi, Mangini prefers size over speed, so you can blame that on him too….

  • http://twitter.com/07Pick53_Dad Mr. Wright

    What’s the relevance of showing MLK’s arrest photo in this article? I guess this is what passes for humor in your neck of the woods.

    • Anonymous

      You don’t read very good, Mr. Wrong. The point is that King is a hero for breaking some really bad laws. Try reading this part again:

      “And finally, don’t forget, it’s MLK Day, one of the best days there is to remember that what’s right and what’s legal are two different things. Here’s to these two different things continuing to overlap with increasing frequency, and of course, to the good Doctor.”

      • http://twitter.com/07Pick53_Dad Mr. Wright

        I read the article but found the photo inappropriate. Stay classy, Cleveland!!

        • Anonymous

          That’s your right, but I think it powerfully conveys a powerful and uplifting message, and I think it’s clear enough that that’s what it was intended to do.

        • Captain Spaulding

          Further proof that some people just don’t get it….

          • Anonymous

            Spaulding, you are missing the point. Mr. Wright reads Frowns. He obviously “gets it.” The rest, reasonable people can disagree about.

          • Captain Spaulding

            Fair enough, I hope his son gets an opportunity to play somewhere else next season since he probably will not land that big contract in Cleveland. Personally, I would not mind having him back at the right price; Bubba Ventrone is not the answer.

          • Anonymous

            I’d like to see Wright stay, too. Seems like he’s undervalued after unfairly taking the blame for the deficiencies of T.J. Ward and the rest in coverage this season, and the defense obviously missed him badly when he was out.

          • Anonymous

            Spaulding, you are missing the point. Mr. Wright reads Frowns. He obviously “gets it.” The rest, reasonable people can disagree about.

    • Anonymous

      Hey, it’s Eric Wright’s Dad! http://twitter.com/#!/07Pick53_Dad

      Sir, seriously, you’re missing the point, which is that King is a hero for breaking some really bad laws, and that people should understand that what’s right and what’s illegal are sometimes two different things. Read this part again:

      “And finally, don’t forget, it’s MLK Day, one of the best days there is to remember that what’s right and what’s legal are two different things. Here’s to these two different things continuing to overlap with increasing frequency, and of course, to the good Doctor.”

      Also, me and your son are tight. I understand that he got a bad rap all season for covering up for the rookies in pass coverage. “Zone concepts.” I am not the enemy here.

      • http://twitter.com/07Pick53_Dad Mr. Wright

        I enjoy your site, man and you can post whatever you want. I was just stating how I felt about the picture. I know his story but many don’t and see a picture of a black man on a mugshot photo and form their own conclusions.

      • http://twitter.com/07Pick53_Dad Mr. Wright

        I enjoy your site, man and you can post whatever you want. I was just stating how I felt about the picture. I know his story but many don’t and see a picture of a black man on a mugshot photo and form their own conclusions.

        • Anonymous

          Thanks. I hear you about the kind of moron to which you refer, but I’m pretty sure that those people aren’t the kind who read this site. Anyway, I added a caption to the photo to help eliminate the possibility of that kind of misunderstanding. Very much appreciate the feedback.

        • http://twitter.com/jimkanicki jim kanicki

          hi mr. wright. i just want to affirm frowns’ comment above and add that one of the hallmarks of his site is respect his readership’s intelligence. i’m pretty sure no one here took away anything other than what frowns intended: a kind remembrance of the heroic bravery required by MLK in generated that mugshot as well as the good it led to.

          i think it’s fair of you to raise a concern; i hope you’ll stick around long enough to be satisfied that your concern doesn’t apply to the community here. plus: frowns has a moderator hammer and he’s not afraid to use it.

          thanks for stopping in, cheers!

    • doughbread

      Mr. Wright I’m not a big poster on this site but I do read the blog often and would say this picture is being shown in a way that is very moving for a man who did so many great things for this country but was treated so wrong. This pic has been used many times in many different ways. I think I have seen it at least a few times on the History channel when they are discussing how such a great man and American could be jailed for his values and believes.

      And let your son know that we are pulling for him to come back to Cleveland and make a huge splash on the D next year. 3 games don’t define your career.

  • Anonymous

    Daboll Miami’s new offensive coordinator!

  • Anonymous

    Daboll Miami’s new offensive coordinator!

    • Captain Spaulding

      It will be interesting to see how Miami’s offense & Dallas’s defense perform next year under those two. I have no idea what to expect from Miami’s offense under Daboll since he really couldn’t run an NFL offense with the personnel at his disposal here in Cleveland. Dallas, however, should be much improved; they simply have too much talent to play as bad as they did this year, and Ryan seems to be a guy who gets the most out of his players.

    • Biki

      poor guy goes to another murky QB situation, but at least he’s got another solid o-line RB corps, and better WR’s they have at his disposal.

      i guess we have Miami on the schedule next year so hopefully our familiarity of him will be to our advantage.

      • Anonymous

        That familiarity usually cuts the other way. But agreed, he has more to work with in Miami than he had here. Maybe he ends up saving Sparano’s job?

        • Biki

          well he won’t be too familiar with us next year will he? Being that we will have a completely new offense installed as well as most likely a completely different defense as well.

          • Anonymous

            Good point, though he ought to know plenty about individual strengths and weaknesses.

      • Captain Spaulding

        Poor guy may be a bit of an exaggeration, but I get it; Miami will probably be breaking in a rookie qb next year. Either way, hopefully we can agree that they have more talent than the Browns, so he should be in a better position to prove his worth as a coach.
        Ryan Mallet/Cam Newton (with Brandon Marshall) may inspire him to open up his playbook a bit more than noodle-armed Jake Delhomme/Colt McCoy (with MoMass/Robiskie).

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XUMUVFPYOOTFE5JQUYIO6DZPVI kyle w

      What a perfect fit for a “lame duck” coach! Just when you thought Miami’s off-season couldn’t get any worse. Ricky Williams wants out and R. Brown is sketchy at best. They do have nice WR’s but the QB and RB situation need addressed. Since Spurano’s ass is on the line, I wouldn’t be shocked to see them go after a QB in free-agency/trade. He doesn’t have the time to develope a QB and Henne looks lost.

      • Believelander

        Wow, Kyle, you sure show some man love for the ex Browns. The Steelers’ fan blog is up the street…

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XUMUVFPYOOTFE5JQUYIO6DZPVI kyle w

          No thanks bro! I just tell it like it is and love talking Browns/NFL. I am not the type of Browns fan that wants them to draft every Ohio State player or local hero, like some homers. I hate the Steelers and Ravens. What does this have to do with ex Browns?

      • http://www.redright88.com Titus Pullo

        Maybe the Browns can interest the Dolphins in Jake Delhomme. I think they need a “veteran presence:” down there and Daboll can bring Delhomme along to teach the “Daboll” way.

        • Biki

          well it’s not like the Browns are on the hook for Jake. i’m guessing he will be released and/or they rework his deal at a much reduced price and he could be the backup/qb coach to Colt.

      • Captain Spaulding

        I wouldn’t rush to judgement here Kyle. Brian Daboll could be the next Pat Shurmur.

        • Biki

          well he is from the illustrious “Belichick tree” so who knows.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XUMUVFPYOOTFE5JQUYIO6DZPVI kyle w

          Lol! Do you think his tutor (Gil Haskell) is going to take his talents to South beach with him? Brandon Marshall has to be so pumped up!

    • Paul, Glasgow

      Forgive them……they know not what they do

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XUMUVFPYOOTFE5JQUYIO6DZPVI kyle w

    I like the sound of that Titus! You never know, maby the last 18 games were a fluke? I will never forget watching that playoff game vs Ari when he got picked 6 times. Happy birthday Jake 6 int’s!

  • Mencken

    It’s wrong to show MLK’s arrest photo, but images of Jesus, pierced and nailed to a cross is standard church issue. However, we should be thankful that the Romans didn’t employ guillotines back in the day.

  • jaws.

    Dear Mike Holmgren / Pat Shurmur,

    Please for the love of god give Keith Butler an interview for defensive coordinator. Currently he has been the Pittsburgh Steelers linebackers coach for 7 years under dick LeBeau. He is basically in line to be LeBeau’s successor and his last coaching gig before the steelers was with the browns. Do I even need to name the long list of terrific linebackers the steelers have produced over the last 7 years?

    Sincerely,

    A browns fan who doesn’t want to see the team change schemes on defense or hire a coach who has never been the coordinator of a top 10 defense (in YPG or PPG) in his career just because he has head coaching experience.

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