Tony Grossi Unhinged: His Dog Bella and the Browns’ 2009 Draft (again)

by Cleveland Frowns on February 1, 2011

Who does Tony Grossi know? What does he know? What does he have pictures of? What could the Pain Dealer’s publishers possibly be doing in these pictures? After reading last Sunday’s edition, we can at least be sure the folks in charge of the paper don’t hate us as much as we thought they did, because nobody can be that mean. This must be hurting them too. But at this point they have to realize that a witness protection program would be better than this. Or that whatever’s in the pictures just couldn’t be this embarrassing.

That’s the bright side, because after Grossi’s latest Sunday mailbag column we have to be as close as we’ve ever been to the PD publishers waking up to this reality. It really couldn’t have been a bigger day for Grossi, the journalist who’s paid more than anyone is to shine light on Cleveland’s most cherished public resource, who on Sunday finally, proudly, copped to running former Browns head coach Eric Mangini out of Cleveland, and only a few breaths after telling us that the Cleveland Browns are two drafts away from having the talent necessary to consistently compete in the NFL (after a season where the Browns lost by more than a touchdown only four times).* As one might expect, this admission has been tremendously liberating for the Pain Dealer scribe, who immediately took advantage of his newfound freedom to fill us in on some heretofore unrevealed conclusions that underpin his professional analysis and his vendetta for the ex-Browns head coach.

First, the biggie: Thanks to Grossi, we think we finally understand about the Browns’ 2009 Draft. Not only has that draft now been conclusively established as an historic Cleveland tragedy on the order of The Drive, The Fumble, and Red Right 88, but we can finally see now that it’s been such a profound suck on the space-time continuum in Brownstown that it’s worked backward in time as well as forward, thus is probably largely responsible for most of the failures of Romeo Crennel’s tenure in Cleveland, and a significant part of the Butch Davis era as well. Look at how simple this is:

Hey, Tony: Given that in the end it is player personnel that wins or loses, how much do you think the 2009 draft doomed the Mangini regime or at least was a major contributor? . . . — Glenn Studevant, Tucson, Ariz.

Hey, Glenn: The 2009 draft certainly contributed to Mangini’s demise. The second season of those players should have boosted the team to a higher level. Instead, many were cut and a couple regressed or stayed the same. Yes, Alex Mack earned a trip to the Pro Bowl (after two player injuries ahead of him). But if your best player out of a whole draft is a center, well, that’s why the team is in so need of playmakers. . . .

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Hey, Tony: The Drive, The Fumble, Red Right 88 and … The Draft 2009? Seriously, how bad did Mangini butcher that draft?Tori Stephens, Nashville, Tenn.

Hey, Tori: I have written on this topic, of course, and the usual response is: How bad could it be if he got a Pro Bowl center (Alex Mack)? Sigh.

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Hey, Tony: It is the morning of the 2009 NFL draft, and without any warning or preparation you are asked to draft players in the first four rounds. No preparation, no help, just you. Would you have drafted better?Jim O’Connor, Rocky River

Hey, Jim: I believe my dog Bella would have, too.

Hey, Tony: Why do the Browns even play with a center? Why can’t the quarterback just pick the goddam ball up off the ground on every play? Wouldn’t there be room for more playmakers on the field if they did that?

Oh, right, yeah, the top NFL beat writer for Cleveland’s flagship newspaper did just say in his Sunday column that his dog would have done a better job than Eric Mangini, George Kokinis and the rest of the Browns front office did with the 2009 Draft. Not just that, but Grossi’s dog would have done better with no warning, no preparation, and no help, just starting on the morning of the Draft. “Hey, Bella, draft day. Let’s go.”

So where does one even start with this? If a man impregnated his own daughter, then the resulting granddaughter, then the resulting great-granddaughter, would it then be possible for the quality of this analysis to be replicated anywhere in the universe but in the Cleveland sports press? We could spend weeks here, and don’t want to get sucked in, so let’s just assume for now that the godfather of NFL draft experts, Mel Kiper Jr., is at least half right when he says that you can’t really grade an NFL draft for “at least a few years.” Let’s also assume that the realities presented by NFL defensive lines will continue to require all teams to play with a center for the foreseeable future, that there’s no good reason to think that Mohammed Massaquoi and Brian Robiskie won’t end up as good #2 and #3 NFL receivers (or that they wouldn’t already be established as such if they’d had the chance to play with anything close to some combination of at least one legitimate NFL #1 receiver or starting quarterback), and that the book hasn’t been closed on Kaluka Maiava or even Coye Francies just yet.

There’s also that Grossi wrote in this very column that “It’s extremely tough to get five main contributors from one draft class,” that “three is good and four is real good.”

So if Robiskie and Massaquoi aren’t fairly “main contributors” yet, but turn out to be next season (their third, when many NFL receivers tend to blossom), it’s still a “good” draft. If Maiava ends up taking a starting inside position (that he filled decently as a rookie in 2009) this draft becomes “real good” in 2011. But don’t even dream about Francies, because however it turns out, Grossi’s dog would have done better than any and all of these guys, on five hours prep, max (he didn’t say she’d have to wake up especially early). And Grossi has no problem telling anyone this, so it’s not just the players. Mike Holmgren, Tom Heckert and Pat Shurmur are all on notice.

It’s hard to quantify Grossi’s brazen disrespect for for everything and everyone implicated by his analysis here. And it’s probably harder to underestimate how depressing it has to be to have this guy in the Browns facility every day at all, let alone as the ostensible leader of the Cleveland Browns press. But if we’re going to keep gnashing our teeth over a single NFL draft that happened less than two years ago, got us at least one Pro-Bowl caliber center, and maybe even three more decent starters, we should also take a quick look back at a pair of recent Pittsburgh Steelers drafts (“main contributors” in bold):

Here’s 2008:

1, 23: Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois
2, 53: Limas Sweed WR Texas
3, 88: Bruce Davis LB UCLA
4, 130: Tony Hills T Texas
5, 156: Dennis Dixon QB Oregon
6, 188: Mike Humpal OLB Iowa
6, 194: Ryan Mundy FS West Virginia

And 2006, theoretically, a lot easier to judge than 2009:

1, 25: Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State
3, 83: Anthony Smith DB Syracuse
3, 95: Willie Reid WR Florida State
4, 131: Willie Colon T Hofstra
4, 133: Orien Harris DT Miami (Fla.)
5, 164: Omar Jacobs QB Bowling Green State
5, 167: Charles Davis TE Purdue
6, 201: Marvin Philip C California
7, 240: Cedric Humes RB Virginia Tech

Now neither Mendenhall nor Colon are any useless center, but that’s just two “main contributors” left from two of the last five drafts, and neither’s made a Pro Bowl even as an alternate. So how do the Steelers manage to press on? Is it “thinking TDs“? Or do they just let the K-9 unit at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette run the drafts so that the columnists can’t complain?

Wait. Special teams. We can’t be sure that some of those Steelers draftees aren’t “main contributors” on special teams, but since we’re talking about a winning organization like the Steelers we might assume that they’re not. Look:

Hey, Tony: Even though Brad Seely was given high marks for his work with the special teams, could it be that he had too much influence with Eric Mangini, leading to such an overabundance of special team linebackers? — Rich Markovich, Schaumburg, Ill.

Hey, Rich: It was Mangini’s and Seely’s philosophy to fill up the roster with special teams specialists — tacklers, gunners, etc. I believe when you do that, you improve the special teams but you also forsake roster spots that could be devoted to offensive and defensive specialists who can make plays in the major areas of a team.

And to think folks were complaining in Cleveland when Brad Seely, thought to be the top special teams coach in the NFL, left the Browns for the 49ers last week. Now that we’re finally free from Seely’s malevolent influence in Cleveland, it should be much easier for Shurmur, Heckert and Co. to resist the universal and age-old temptation to bring in special teamers where offensive and defensive playmakers should be. The list of playmakers that the Browns have missed out on thanks to Seely’s and Mangini’s philosophy, far too long for Sunday’s column. Space is limited, and there’s a quarterback’s arm strength to second guess, of course.

What else to say? Certainly not that our dog would do better than any NFL front office at any draft where the front office managed to submit the name of an eligible draftee for each of its picks. But at least we can be sure as we are of anything that if our dog was hired as the Pain Dealer’s top NFL beat writer and did what we’d expect our dog to do, which would be to never submit a single column or show up at an NFL facility even once, Cleveland and the Browns would be much better off than they are now with the Pain Dealer’s top NFL beat writer doing what it is that he does.

How hasn’t a town that accepts this guy as it’s top NFL beat writer gotten exactly what it’s deserved from it’s NFL team? Why even have a newspaper?

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*How else can this be reconciled?

Hey, Tony: The Browns lack talent on both sides of the ball with the largest hole being the lack of a franchise QB. I look at our division and it appears the Browns need at least three successful drafts, including the franchise QB, before they could be expected to reach and maintain a playoff-caliber level. Obviously scoring with free agents could shorten that scenario. But it sure looks like at least two more years. — Jeff Draime, Warren

Hey, Jeff: The Browns need a franchise quarterback. Is it McCoy? I don’t know. The point is, we are in a “don’t know” mode at that position. Until we do know, nothing will change. Do the Steelers know about Ben Roethlisberger? Yes. Do the Ravens know about Joe Flacco? Yes. The Browns need at least two more drafts of producing 3-4 quality, starting players each time.

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Hey, Tony: What a lot of you did to Mangini and staff is without a doubt “running a coach” textbook edition. What is even more puzzling to me is how I barely see you write two words about our new coach, but you still write negative articles on Mangini weeks after he was fired. You even had multiple digs at him while tweeting from the Steelers game. I have to believe that you like many others are stunned we now have a no-name coach that no Browns fan had ever heard of and most realize is a puppet for Holmgren. Deep down you know you never in a million years imagined Pat Shurmur would be our coach, but rather had visions of a big name savior coming our way and I think that is why you can’t let the Mangini thing go. — Michael Spitale, Galena

Hey, Michael: I don’t know how Shurmur will do. I know how Mangini did (10-22).

  • http://twitter.com/MikeAmmo Mike Amicarelli

    Have you been blocked by him too?

    • Anonymous

      Don’t think so, but I don’t bother tweeting at him very much. I used to try to email him but he never responded. Shaw neither, nor Livingston. Pluto’s the only one who responds, and he does just about every time.

  • owerg

    “But at least we can be sure as we are of anything that if our dog was hired as the Pain Dealer’s top NFL beat writer and did what we’d expect our dog to do, which would be to never submit a single column or show up at an NFL facility even once, Cleveland and the Browns would be much better off than they are now with the Pain Dealer’s top NFL beat writer doing what it is that he does.”

    For some reason that made my day.

    • Anonymous

      My dog is pretty good dog, and I feel good too when I think of him taking over as the PD’s top Browns beat writer. He’d instantly change the vibe in the Browns locker room.

  • Captain Spauldin

    Who is Michale Spitale? That guy is spot-on. Not surprising at all that Grossi refused to admit how right Spitale is, what a coward. It’s just so goddamn depressing that a greasy weasel like Grossi is the best the PD can offer Browns fans.

    • Anonymous

      Agreed on depressing and not surprising. My best guess on Michael Spitale is that he’s Michael Spitale, of Galena, Ohio, though maybe he’ll show up here to tell us more.

      • Captain Spaulding

        That’s probably a good guess. Seems like a guy who gets it, shouldn’t he be here already?

        • Anonymous

          Will bet you a million dollars that he is.

    • Brian Sipe

      I am Michael Spitale….. Biki turned me on to Frowns last year since he knew Frownie and I were both big Mangini fans

      • Anonymous

        You should have made a much more dramatic entrance – all caps or something. This is like finding out the identity to Batman.

        • Anonymous

          WOO! Where’s my million bucks!? #paytheman

      • Captain Spaulding

        Good shit Spitale, glad I didn’t take that wager with Frowns. Too bad Grossi didn’t have the stones to provide you with an honest response.

        Sorry to hear about your friendship with Biki. What’s with that guy?

  • Baggs

    Hey Frowns, I find this interesting. This is from a March, 09 mailbag to Grossi. The only reason I found this was bc I was one of the people dumb enough to send him a question that week. As usual his answer to my question made no sense but I find his response to this question telling. How does he not think the Browns received fair value for the 5th pick based on his answer??

    Hey, Tony: Most everyone has us taking Aaron Curry with the fifth pick in the draft. I don’t think he’ll make it that far. I foresee us trading down for more picks if we can get any takers. Detroit would be a good trade partner. It would give them the first and fifth picks and we could get their 20th and maybe a three and others since they have like three picks in the third round. — Wendy Myers, Lima, Ohio.

    Hey, Wendy: Truth is, everybody wants to trade down into the second round, where the value is greater because good players are available at much reduced signing bonuses. Few, however, want to trade up as high as No. 5.

  • Biki

    spitale’s my homey, keeps grossi honest, at least give Grossi credit for printing the question.

    i definitely don’t agree with many things that grossi writes, but i don’t have as big of a problem with him as it seems some of you guys do. been reading him for like 25 years so i have a bond with his style, especially in his “Hey Tony” bit. i like his sarcasm and dark sense of humor, i mean we have sucked for so damn long, sometimes it’s good to have someone who can make jokes, which i think the whole reference to Bella was all about.

    • Biki

      *dry sense of humor

      • Captain Spaulding

        It’s great that he printed Spitale’s comments, but why didn’t he respond with an honest answer instead of some lame ass joke about his dog that only people like Biki find funny?

        And did anyone not realize the Bella thing was a joke? The problem is that the joke sucked, just like his reporting. I don’t want to read stupid jokes from the Browns beat writer, I want some kind of insight that I do not have access to, which Grossi rarely offers.

        That may not bother you Biki, but it sure as shit bothers me.

        • Biki

          the joke may have sucked for you because you’re a Mangini fan. For those that aren’t Fangini’s, which i’d have to believe is a majority in Brownstown, they probably found it funny, i know i did. that draft was terrible. Mack was a solid pick, but the rest of the draft was as good as low grade dog food. that being said, Benard was undrafted and if they redrafted tomorrow based on NFL perfomance, he would probably go in the 2nd or 3rd round, so that makes up for things a bit.

          again, it was a joke, why so sensitive??

          • Captain Spaulding

            The joked sucked for anyone who is not a total derpface, it has nothing to do with whether or not I like Mangini.

            “Duh, derp, my dog could have drafted better, derp.” Man, that’s hilarious, you’re so funny Grossi, keep ‘em coming!!!

            That may pass for humor in your book Biki, but in my book, that’s a really dumb joke. Maybe my friends are just funnier than yours (sorry Sipe & Frowns).

            Anyways, you’re missing the entire point about the draft. Did you notice the examples Frowns provided of the Steelers’ recent drafts? Not too impressive is it? The difference is that they have a system in place that allows players to develop so that when a not so good draft happens (it happens to every team a lot more often than you might think), it doesn’t set the franchise back like it does for a team that changes coaches every couple years. Browns players simply do not have the opportunity to develop under a stable system, so it makes evaluating their drafts extremely difficult and really easy for a derpface to say that a draft sucked. And so you don’t mistake me for a “fangini” (that’s really clever by the way, did you think that up on your own?), this is not limited to Mangini’s time here, although it certainly applies.

            Also, as far as being sensitive, perhaps I should clarify. It’s not the joke so much that bothers the shit out of me, it’s the fact that as THE beat writer for the Cleveland Browns, Grossi cannot provide anything resembling even a half-assed piece of journalism. It’s bothersome.

          • Rob

            FTR

            I believe a posternality by the “name” of Brownese coined the word “Fangini” 2 years ago on the PD comments board in a declaration of his admiration for Eric Mangini which he made in one particular thread. That was the first time I remember ever seeing it used.

    • Anonymous

      It’s a good point that Grossi deserves credit for printing Spitale’s letter.

    • Brian Sipe

      I too give Grossi credit for answering all questions…… However, I give him no credit for the way he wanted to run Mangini from day 1 and never got his back on ANYTHING!

      I hope to God Shurmur does well. However, I also know he will get a nice grace period regardless of how crazy this caoching staff looks so far. Grossi KILLED Mangini from the day he got here… in fact it was not just Grossi. They all loved writitng stories about how he painted Berea new colors, moved statues, etc… WHO CARES! We were so damn close this year in spite of BAD QB play, I think he deserved one more year but that boat sailed… just don’t get why he needs to keep ripping Mangini’s corpse

      • Biki

        it’s probably 60-40 of PD readers that didn’t care for Mangini so maybe he’s writing for them. i didn’t have a problem with Tony’s response to Mikey Spitale, it was kind of funny actually.

        while he’s certainly not Mangini’s biggest fan, he’s written a bunch of positive stories about him including one I remember he did on Father’s Day last year.

      • JB

        ” … just don’t get why he needs to keep ripping Mangini’s corpse”

        Here’s one take: the press has had major influence in running the Browns for decades. It’s a deeply ingrained culture, imho, going back to Art Modell’s days. You get a guy here who doesn’t cotton to that — Bill Belichick being exhibit “A” — and the press goes apes**t against him. I’m in the Akron area, and the ABJ writers were still trashing the man even after he won his first two Super Bowls.
        Because of his past association with Belichick, I’m just not sure Mangini ever had a chance here, unfortunately.

      • Anonymous

        Is it much more offensive to change the colors at Berea and get rid of some statues then it is to remove actual ex-players (Brown, Kosar, and Warfield) from having an affiliation with the team even though their roles were apparently mostly PR type positions?

    • Art Brosef

      By sarcasm and dark humor I assume you mean vindictiveness, arrogance, condescension, and a general laziness and lack of journalistic standards.

      Frowner didnt even mention this gem from Grossi:

      “Somebody told me Rogers had some kind of clause in his contract that made it nearly impossible to trade him in 2010. I’m not sure if the clause is effective in 2011.”"

      Youd think that maybe someone in Grossis position, might bother to get to the bottom of such a clause. Or at the very least, not publish such declarations.

      • Bikram Roy76

        yeah dude, he will never be confused for Bernstein or Woodward. but for me, he doesn’t have to be. he’s not my only source for Browns news and at times he writes some good pieces. maybe he’s burned out by all the losses and depressing storylines and the PD needs a more positive voice, but i definitely like his sense of humor, because we really have sucked a lot the past 25 years.

        • Art Brosef

          You like his sense of humor? What sorts of people do you hang out with so that his sense of humor provides you with any kind of comic relief? His sense of humor???? You gotta be effing kidding me, you like his sense of humor.

          • Biki

            yes, in his “Hey, Tony” section, he can be funny at times. i guess i don’t take the browns coverage by him as serious as some of you guys do. i read basically all of the various Browns beat writers stuff and they all write things that at times i don’t agree with and they can sometimes be funny, including Grossi.

          • Art Brosef

            Well it appears you and Grossi have something in common then, because he doesnt take his Browns coverage seriously either.

          • Biki

            there are like 5 other Browns beat writers i read on a daily basis, sometimes Grossi is funny. you’re judging my loyalties to the browns because i think that??? LOL i’m sure i’m not the only Browns fan who doesn’t want Grossi burned to a stake like it seems some of you guys do.

          • Art Brosef

            I didnt say a word about your loyalties.

          • Biki

            i’m not saying i’d go protest like an egyptian over keeping the guy his job, but there were plenty of fans who agreed with what he said, and not because they were brainwashed by him because he writes for the biggest paper in the market.

          • Anonymous

            Semi-comprehensive list of things that Biki WOULD protest like an Egyptian over:

            1) 45+ minute wait for a table at Gasoline Alley
            2) busy signal from bookie 45 seconds before Warriors/Clippers tip off.
            3) Deion Sanders fired from NFL Network
            4) . . . . . . . . .

            I think that’s it, actually.

          • The Cuuuuuuuuuuuuugs

            4) Running out of Smirnoff Ice at Map Room

          • Believelander

            considering he’s the flagship voice of the flagship (only?) source of consistent news on the Browns, it’s pretty easy to make an argument that, in fact, a lot of them were brainwashed.

            But of course Mangini’s 10-22 record beginning a 100% start over style rebuild is going to look bad when you get to compare it to Shurmur if they go, say 7-9, because, see, they’re not rebuilding. Mangini did all of Shurmur’s hard work, just like he did for your boy Rex. But people like Tony Grossi (crappy reporters who are primarily funny to people who need lobotomies or medication) don’t, and won’t, talk about any of that, and neither will any of the P ain Dealer reading, rubber cement chewing sociopaths out there without the patience to see a rebuild through.

            such is life.

          • Biki

            Tony Grossi is no where near the flagship voice, nearly every columnist, mainly Terry Pluto have more credibility with readers than Grossi.

            Mangini cleared some cap space, but we’ll see how many players he brought to the team will be on the roster next year or the year after.

          • Rob

            What is the average “years in the NFL” for any player these days? So let’s see how many of any of the 2010 team are still here in 2 years…

          • actovegin1armstrong

            Please do not hold back like that Believe. How do you really feel about people who like Grossi?

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            Whaddya mean he’s funny? The way he talks? Funny how? What’s funny about him? What, like he’s a clown, he amuses you? He makes you laugh, he’s here to f****n amuse you? What the f*** is so funny about him?

          • Biki

            it’s just, you know. He”re just funny, it’s… funny, the way he tell the story and everything.

  • Redz.Harvest

    I’m now taking any and all bets on when Balla (where you at, Balla?) will start commenting as Bella the Dog.

  • Biki

    it’s probably 60-40 of PD readers that didn’t care for Mangini so maybe he’s writing for them. i didn’t have a problem with Tony’s response to Mikey Spitale, it was kind of funny actually.

    while he’s certainly not Mangini’s biggest fan, he’s written a bunch of positive stories about him including one I remember he did on Father’s Day last year.

  • Fluffhead

    Another article about an NFL beat writer? All these articles do are create more interest in what Grossi writes. It’s reminds me of Rush Limbaugh, people listen to him because he infuriates them. All you people who think he ran Mangini out of town blow up his twitter and e-mail and his bosses at the plain dealer are probably stoked. If you don’t like him don’t read him. That’s what I do with Limbaugh. I think he is a moron so I don’t listen or support him.

    • Anonymous

      If someone was raping your sister in the closet, would it be OK as long as nobody paid attention to it? If these articles create more interest in the horseshit that Grossi writes, it’s the good kind of interest.

      Even though he’s glad to take credit for it, the issue really isn’t whether Grossi actually did run Mangini out of town. It’s that there are precious few resources that humanity can afford to spend on things like NFL journalism, and ours in Cleveland are wasted on this complete horseshit. Again, how can you underestimate the drag this guy must be on the whole operation there. To have this guy in the building every day, “leading” the discussion. It’s not just the damage his discussion does, it’s that it takes the place of something that should be so much better.

      Also, only an idiot would listen to Rush Limbaugh just because he infuriates them.

      • Ronnie

        Apples and oranges and all that.

        • Captain Spaulding

          Ronnie, is that you? How’s Sammie?

          “That’s one shot kid…..one shot!!!!”

      • Anonymous

        Or read Frowns because he infuriates them.

      • Fluffhead

        Obviously rape should never be ignored.

        I don’t like or dislike Grossi. I’m just surprised people think his negative coverage of the team is a reason for bad football teams in Cleveland. Maybe i’m wrong.

        I agree, only idiots would listen to limbaugh because he makes them mad. I do think there are a lot of people like that though.

  • The Cuuuuuuuuuuuuugs

    Frownie, what’s your dog’s name?

    Maybe we could hold a contest to name it…

    • actovegin1armstrong

      I like the fact that journalism in Cleveland has “gone to the dogs”, it will make an entertaining improvement.
      If an infinite number of dogs at an infinite number of typewriters would duplicate Hamlet, they could write a sports column. Do I have the wrong theorem? Was it one drunken monkey at one laptop in Cleveland could write about his dog?
      Put your dog on the keyboard, the PD will print the results tomorrow.

  • Steve White

    I thought the whole riff Grossi did about Mangini working, as Browns head coach, to keep the Jets supplied with players to be one of the lowest class things I’ve read from a sportswriter.

    Admittedly, the bar isn’t very high.

    But Grossi managed to do the limbo just fine.

    Apparently he doesn’t care; I posted at cleveland.com about that article (which is of course useless).

    Whether one loves Mangini or not, he bled orange and brown every day he was coach here. He bled green and white every day he was a Jet. That’s the way the game works; all the coaches from head coach down to an assistant position coach work impossible hours under a lot of stress just to be part of an organization that can win football games.

    You’d think a sportswriter, at his or her core, would understand and respect that. You might not like the coach, you might think he’s exactly the wrong guy for the team, but don’t accuse him of selling out his team for his former team.

    That just shouldn’t be done.

    So Grossi is off my reading list.

  • Heneghan

    2009 draft: Grossi lobbied heavily to take rey maualuga at #5. I’m thinking I would rather have Mack, Elam, Coleman, and Veikune. Revisionist history? Nope – I thought it was brilliant strategy in 2009 or just about any year you have the wherewithal to trade out of a top 10 pick to get more picks in rds 1,2, and 3 as well as obtain established vets to plug much needed holes. What makes that a setback draft class? I guess I just don’t get it.

  • peterglenn

    The interesting part will be this upcoming season. Grossi hasn’t said one negative comment about the hire of Pat Shumur, interesting since Mangini was never given the consideration from minute one. I sense some collusion between Mr Holmgren and Mr Grossi..If Grossi has Big Mike on speed dial and his ear, we will see a very patient Grossi me thinks. If true, would really make Tony a disegenuous schmuck.

    Hey Tony..Mangini was fired for not winning enough games but we are least 2 drafts and 3 years away from being competitive in the NFL..really?…Sounds like Mangini wasn’t given enough time..Cleveland will remain the laughingstock as long as people like Tony Grossi have influence over things Browns. depressing..you bet

    • dan

      I listen to DSN occasionally and got to hear Grossi in an interview (lucky me).

      The whole interview was taken up by Grossi complaining that the Browns had not given any information out re: the hiring of assistant coaches, preferring instead to make an announcement of the hirings at one time, once the dust had settled. He said it was a bad move but could not give any reason why except that it ‘looks bad’. Part of me (or all of me, I don’t know, part of me is still deciding) believes he does not like the move because it makes his job tougher, requiring him write more about Mangini, the 2009 Draft, and the Terrible Colt McCoy, as well as beat dead horses that he finds laying on the side of the road (its what he is best at).

      I do not think Shurmur will get much time before Grossi and others start to snipe at him and when we go 7-9, there will be calls for his head, because ‘we deserve better’.

      Personally I respect Terry Pluto much more because he is willing to have discussions with fans (seen him on the Bruce Drennan show a lot) rather than respond with snarky comments behind a computer, always having the last word.

      • dan

        Actually I take that back, Shurmur will get a year, but it seems Grossi has locked on McCoy as his next victim. Once McCoy is successfully benched due to media pressure, then Grossi will go after Shurmur.

        Just watch, its starts with small jabs at his arm strength then moves into bigger things, like taking Shurmur’s words out of context to insinuate he does not trust McCoy. Then one bad game, and there you go.

  • Bandit

    First Pittsburg and other elite teams stay the course at coach, which is directly proportional to these teams tuning out stoneless babblers like Grossi. While I find the comments here concerning Grossi sadly amusing, the fact he gets any attention is why the PD keeps him
    ( that and the fact that he personifies the muckraking dribble the PD calls news). At any rate what can you say about a guy who’s lone claim to fame was exposing the Browns move to Baltimore, for which he was demoted, yet did not have the stones to move on to another job.

  • Anonymous

    I am dumbfounded at why anyone would employ him.All that I can say is he’s delusional & completely disconnected from reality and Cleveland.IDIOT!

    • Anonymous

      Sorry I came “Unhinged” and let my emotions get the best of me.

      • Anonymous

        It’s cool man, it’s cool! We feel your pain.

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