Randy Lerner Has a Massive Carbon Footprint

by Cleveland Frowns on June 28, 2011

“When you come to work every day and you see the owner’s car parked right out front. He’s right upstairs and you can go talk to him and he comes to practice every day … “Pittsburgh Steelers nose tackle Casey Hampton

“It is about the organization. The way it is run; like a family. To see a man like Mr. Rooney, who I think is probably the most respected owner in football right now, to see him in the lunch room, he knows your kids names, and he hugs your wife. I think the family aspect of the whole thing makes you not want to leave.” — Steelers safety Ryan Clark

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It’s one thing to know for a fact that the owner of the Cleveland Browns hates Cleveland (and America, and American football, and cars), it’s another thing to have data from an airport in the Hamptons that says the same thing.

Per Curbed Hamptons, in a post titled “Randy Lerner Escapes from Ohio at Every Opportunity,” Lerner’s private jet has touched down in the East Hampton, NY airport 390 times since 2007, which is almost twice as many times as any other plane has landed at the same airport.

Some NFL owners treat their franchises like family, others like a bank account. Read the quotes from Steelers players about their owner Dan Rooney at the top of this post, and how could the Browns ever  make up for the disparity? Is there anything more depressing about being a Browns fan than this? Lerner can’t be such a bad guy. What if he just sold the Browns to an owner the franchise deserves, or even just anyone in the gaping screaming canyon that exists between himself and Rooney on the spectrum of “people who should own an NFL franchise.”

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Relatedly, back in 2009, Eric Mangini’s hand-picked former director of operations, Erin O’Brien, was fired for mysterious “personal reasons,” with unnamed sources telling the Plain Dealer that O’Brien “had burned so many bridges that Mangini could not save her job.”

According to a trusted source, someone who worked in the building at the time, O’Brien was actually fired for not keeping her mouth shut about a romantic relationship between Lerner and a female Browns employee, and the order came from Lerner himself. So that’s for sure right about burning bridges.

Take it or leave it of course, but this person wouldn’t lie to me about something like this.

Some people get to be born billionaires who hold Cleveland’s most cherished public trust hostage from a private jet somewhere between the Hamptons and the UK, others get to publish single-sourced anonymous reports at phenomenal websites, so.

Alright, we’ll have to get to the important NBA draft thing later this week. Hope everyone has a decent Tuesday.

  • Steinmike

    The Dolans spend a lot of time at Progressive Field. Doesn’t help the Indians.

    • Anonymous

      When you factor in the uphill battle faced by small-market MLB franchises and the NFL’s relative socialism, the Indians are about 30 billion times better than the Lerner Era Browns as far as winning goes.

      • Steinmike

        Don’t forget, Al Lerner was very hands on at the beginning. Didn’t help anything. Sure, the deck was stacked against the team, but hiring the clowns he did to build the team’s foundation set them back for years.

        • Jaceczko

          Good point made here. Not to let Lerner off the hook for the points made in the article above, but in fact weren’t we all calling for him to hire a real, live football guy to be at the top of the organization?

          Didn’t he give Mike Holmgren unprecedented, unqualified dominion over all aspects of the Cleveland Browns, from stadium operations to ticket sales to McDonald’s promos &c. (to say nothing of actually building a team)?Perhaps the owner doesn’t care, but for all intents and purposes, Mike Holmgren, who is Lerner’s proxy at owners’ meetings, 

          IS

          the owner.

          So now we wait. At some point, you have to get on the ship. When it’s out of port, it’s out of port, and your job is to play poker, drink mojitos, and watch the sun set. 

          Unless the sun is obscured by angry, dark hurricane clouds. Ahem.  🙂

          Or unless you’re a reporter on the ship to send dispatches back to the mainland and not to relax and enjoy the ride…

      • Brian Sipe

        actually they both have 1 playoff appearance since said owenr bought them…. Browns have 2 winning seasons I think Tribe has one maybe 2… so they are both equally pathetic… don’t get me on the Dolans… must keep anger towards Lerner for now

  • http://twitter.com/WFNYCraig Craig Lyndall

    I don’t disagree with a lot of what you say.  My take at the end is a bit different though.  Begging a man to sell a team that his father loved so much is probably a very foolish proposition with such an infinitesimal chance of success.

    Look, Randy Lerner finally had the self-awareness to know he couldn’t be his dad or a Rooney and he outsourced the stewardship of the franchise to Mike Holmgren.  You can’t force a guy to be something he is not.  You also can’t force him to sell something that he probably views as a family legacy.  

    I am leaving Randy Lerner alone though.  As long as he keeps the checkbook open, I’ll take his outsourcing of himself via the Mike Holmgren hiring as a fair compromise.

    • Anonymous

      There’s no such thing as “outsourcing” this kind of thing. I can’t imagine what about the last eleven seasons could possibly make you trust that there is.

      Also, everything everybody who knows anything tells me about Al Lerner’s involvement with the Browns tells me that it’s a legacy that Randy should be glad to cut ties with.

      • Jaceczko

        I just read this after writing my fairly wordy comment above. 

        I want to give a simple √ to “There’s no such thing as ‘outsourcing’ this kind of thing,” &c., but you have to admit that we really haven’t had anything like the Mike Holmgren office in this organization.Now what I’d like to see is Holmgren hugging players’ wives and parking his car in the parking lot and not having affairs with staffers, &c.

        But if Rooney’s so great, then why does he still employ a serial rapist and the only guy in America who complained about Bin Laden’s death?

        • Anonymous

          In addition to giving James Harrison a pass after smacking his girlfriend around.

    • Justin

      “I am leaving Randy Lerner alone though.  As long as he keeps the
      checkbook open, I’ll take his outsourcing of himself via the Mike
      Holmgren hiring as a fair compromise.”

      Exactly.  I don’t really care if Lerner is like the Rooney family and lives and dies with the team’s every move now that we have Holmgren and Heckert in charge.  If anything, this would be a point I’d take into consideration before The Walrus was hired, but not now.  The point is to put competent management into place, draft well, and pay your players accordingly.  I would agree that Lerner’s relative lack of interest in the team probably directly contributed to our decade of irrelevance since the team came back, but to insinuate that our irrelevance will continue despite Lerner basically admitting his mistake by putting a competent team president in charge is way off base.

      • Anonymous

        This is the fifth or so time Lerner’s put a leadership regime in place. Nobody really thought Carmen Policy/Butch Davis/Phil Savage etc. was incompetent before they came here to work in Lerner’s organization. I don’t think it follows that it will be different this time just because it’s Mike Holmgren.

        • Brian Sipe

          Holmren has nothing to lose… if they win he is a hero.. if not he can blame Lerner, and will walk $35 mill in his pockets

    • Justin

      “I am leaving Randy Lerner alone though.  As long as he keeps the
      checkbook open, I’ll take his outsourcing of himself via the Mike
      Holmgren hiring as a fair compromise.”

      Exactly.  I don’t really care if Lerner is like the Rooney family and lives and dies with the team’s every move now that we have Holmgren and Heckert in charge.  If anything, this would be a point I’d take into consideration before The Walrus was hired, but not now.  The point is to put competent management into place, draft well, and pay your players accordingly.  I would agree that Lerner’s relative lack of interest in the team probably directly contributed to our decade of irrelevance since the team came back, but to insinuate that our irrelevance will continue despite Lerner basically admitting his mistake by putting a competent team president in charge is way off base.

  • Vari

    Sure the Browns Players can’t call Lerner “Pops” but I certainly understand where he’s coming from in a business sense.  The Browns are an effing cash cow!  Our fan base will buy the foam fingers, jerseys, collectibles, whatever no matter whether the team is 1-15 or Super Bowl bound. 

    I don’t like the guy all that much.  It’s better than Modell.  Lerner is a wealthy dude who has a penchant for all things UK.  As long as he understands that putting the right people in place, drafting solid players and developing them is the key to winning then he can fly over the pond and watch the dudes in the short shorts all he wants.  Write the checks and let the guys whom understand the game run the show.  

    • Anonymous

      “As long as he understands that putting the right people in place,
      drafting solid players and developing them is the key to winning then he
      can fly over the pond and watch the dudes in the short shorts all he
      wants.  Write the checks and let the guys whom understand the game run
      the show.”

      So simple, and it’s worked like a charm for the last eleven seasons. Meanwhile the Steelers are the Steelers. I must be speaking goldfish here.

      • Vari

        You have to take into consideration that the Steelers have been running their organization that way  for ages.  Even if Lerner had tried to instill that immediately we may not have seen the same results.  I think getting that management team right was the biggest step.  All the GMs we’ve had have been pretty inexperienced people whom may have had “up and comer” qualities but ultimately we’re failures due to the lack of a solid management structure.  Holmgren helps to solidify that. 

        It’s easy to consider the Steelers as a model of how to run a railroad, but other teams have been successful using other models as well.  I would love to have an owner with a passion that meets or exceeds the fan base.  I just can’t entirely focus blame on Lerner.  He’s trying to get it right.  He’s not entirely absentee. 

        • Anonymous

          To the extent other models have succeeded, it hasn’t really been in places like Cleveland or Pittsburgh, has it? Colts owner Jim Irsay tends a lot closer to the Rooney model than to the Lerner side of things.

          Also, Carmen Policy was many things, but he wasn’t inexperienced.

           

          • Steinmike

            Most successful teams from 2000-2009 = Colts (115 wins), Patriots (112), Steelers (103), Eagles (103), and Packers (95).

            I believe their success to be much more linked to drafting a pretty darn good QB or two than to ownership. Good QBs make good owners much more than the other way around.

          • Anonymous

            Good owners lead solid organizations that draft solid QBs and surround them with solid teammates. What’s your point?

          • Steinmike

            Good QBs make good owners much more than the other way around.

            Really, who can argue with your point? The Steelers have good owners, so emulating them would be wise. Randy Lerner is not a good owner. OK.

            But why not try to emulate the most hands-on owner of all, Jerry Jones? Or Dan Snyder? Why can’t Pat Bowlen’s teams win since John Elway retired?

            Owners need a lot more than to really, really love their teams for them to be successful. A good QB is much more important.

          • Anonymous

            It’s not about being obsessive, it’s about treating your organization like family and leading it with integrity. The point is that Lerner isn’t within screaming distance.

          • Anonymous

            “It’s not about being obsessive, it’s about treating your organization like family and leading it with integrity.”

            You’ll have to tell that to Art Rooney, the losingest owner in NFL history for the period of time he operated the team.

          • Anonymous

            Browns could’ve drafted Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Eli Manning and all three would be out of the league by now from injuries given that our O-line has been horrible for most of the past 11 years.  A good line will make an o.k. QB great, and a great QB a Hall of Famer.

          • Vari

            Absolutely Beeej! 

          • Anonymous

            It is also true that Manning & Brady, by avoiding the rush & getting rid of the ball quickly, make their O lines look better than they otherwise would.

          • Anonymous

            Great stat!  One would think that Dallas, Arizona, and the Giants would  be in the top 5 according to the coverage that ESPN gives them. 

      • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

        “I must be speaking goldfish here.”

        Nope.  Not at all.

        But I think the take is a little backwards.  If he had flown to the Hamptons 390 times since last week, I wouldn’t really care as long as the Browns were successful.

        Honestly, my problem with the Lerners isn’t the apparent lack of enthusiasm for the Browns franchise.  It’s the fact that old man Lerner helped Modell engineer his escape with the fucking team in the first place, then bought the new one from Mike White and his band of crooks. It’s the kind of move that Dimora and Russo would be proud to be a part of.

        • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

          When are we getting a post about the insanity going on in Greece right now?

          • Anonymous

            The Greeks know how to live right and the rest of Europe is pretty much a bunch of crooks. What else is there to say about it?

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            I hope they figure out how to pay their bills. If not, it’s going to end up cranking up the interest rates on my countrymen when they go for help.

          • Anonymous

            “Our” bills. People need to learn how to live right.

          • Anonymous

            actions speak louder than words: why aren’t you on strike with the rest of the greeks, frowns?

          • Anonymous

            Would be a nice luxury but I have enough crooks to deal with in my own backyard.

          • Anonymous

            I get it about crooks in your own backyard, but you don’t really think that strikes are luxuries, do you?

          • Anonymous

            Being in Greece doing anything would be an unthinkable luxury.

          • Anonymous

            You didn’t answer the question. And you don’t have to be in greece to strike.

          • Anonymous

            Wait, how am I not on strike?

          • Anonymous

            Yeah. The Greeks are victims.  Everybody else is a crook. Those pasty face northerners oppress the swarthy victims…..Yeah….my aching everything. FrOrange, just shut up.  Or call the NAACP….or something.

            The Greeks can’t do social organization. They do democracy. Remember, it was the plebian Greeks who tried and executed Socrates.  They beat the Persians while fighting among themselves.

            But, they get a “by” here.  They get a long term credit for the battle of Salamis.

            Without it, we would have forgone the right to steal from government.

            thanks.

        • Anonymous

          All of that is assumed in all of this, of course.

  • Anonymous

    i went to a restaurant Lerner owns a piece of in Amagansett a couple weeks ago, some of the best mac and cheese i’ve ever had..  so he’s not a total failure..  and i gotta tell you, i would be spending as much time in East Hampton over Cleveland any day of the week..  it is gorgeous out there.. 

    but i tend to agree with Craig on this one, in HOLMGREN WE TRUST!  

    • Anonymous

      I rest my case.

      • Anonymous

        about what?  that any reasonable multimillionaire would rather live in East Hampton than Cleve??  yessir

        • Vari

          I thought he was concurring with the Mac N Cheese.

          • Anonymous

            it’s scrumptous..  especially after a nice dutchie on the walk over!   i wonder why he hasn’t got involved with anything in NEO..  maybe he really doesn’t like it there..  i mean the dude is a NY’er thick and thin..  where brooklyn at??  

          • Vari

            lots of things are scrumptious after nice walks involving dutchies.

          • Anonymous

            particularly swenson’s!

        • Anonymous

          Dan Rooney can afford to live in East Hampton. Guess he’d rather win Super Bowls (or at least one playoff game in 11 years).

          • Anonymous

            Which is not to say theres anything wrong with preferring the East Hamptons to winning Super Bowls; but if you do, sell the team to someone who doesnt.

          • Anonymous

            yeah instead he lives in Ireland half the year..  

            need more examples of ownership proximity to team headquarters to success than Dan Rooney..  maybe just maybe it’s their front office’s ability to draft, develop and coach several future hall of famers

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            “yeah instead he lives in Ireland half the year..”

            That’s kind of required when, you know, you’re the United States Ambassador to Ireland.

          • Anonymous

            uh, thanks kronkite

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            Just pointing out that there is nothing tying Lerner to East Hampton, like a job or something. Because it appears that you missed that.

          • Anonymous

            again, how did i make it so far without you and captain spaulding as my guiding light.       DERP

          • Believelander

            Well, George Bush II made President (twice) so I’m sure you’ll manage okay.

          • Anonymous

            and he’s got his restaurants to tend to..  mac’n’chee yo!

        • Anonymous

          Dan Rooney can afford to live in East Hampton. Guess he’d rather win Super Bowls (or at least one playoff game in 11 years).

        • Brian Sipe

          Billionaire in this case….

  • Anonymous

    Too bad the league doesn’t allow for any more publicly-owned teams like Green Bay. 

  • Ronald

    Agreed with the entire post, and I’m just glad we Clevelanders have one owner* like Rooney.

    “That winning mentality, it’s a winning franchise, and everyone, just the whole culture, is about winning. That’s what I looked at the most. It’s a whole family atmosphere here. So I’m excited to be a part of it.”

    — Tristan Thompson

    * Cleveland Frowns seal of approval for being the worst owner in the city

    • Ronald

      Q: Daniel, what is it you enjoy so much about the Cavs?Gibson: The family atmosphere. We have a group of guys who love to play the game. The city of Cleveland embraces you and treats you like their own.

      • http://twitter.com/Orionfree448 Orionfree

        Last I heard the Browns players talking about “family” was when Mangini was around…..looks like Holmgren had enough of that.

        • Believelander

          F*** family! Players are chattel!

  • Jim

    So in essence you want a Dan Gilbert-type to run the Browns.  As long as he doesn’t type in comic sans that is.

    • Anonymous

      Actually, there’s a big difference between treating your players like family and treating them like chattel that you’re afraid of looking in the eye, so, no. Not at all.

      • Justin

        Yeah, because you pay “chattel” hundreds of millions of dollars and basically allow them to do whatever they want, right?! 

        • Anonymous

          Sometimes, yes. At least we can all thank god for that.

          • Anonymous

            Frownie, you may have misspelled cattle.

          • Believelander

            Actually, the Reverend Frownie Jackson just said that DG treats his players like “property other than land” (aka slave). Thats kind of an all-time commenting low for Pete around here.

          • Anonymous

            That’s right. FrOrange is so race and class conscious. He has to give up this victim status. Maybe he should contact Tawana Brawley and they could make an encounter group.

            FrOrange, if you really feel this offended, why don’t you just go and burn your bra in front of the Browns training center.

      • Jim

        Sure it is. Just like its different taking care of your chattel’s every needs, paying their health insurance, building them a state of the practice facility, giving them any and every amenity they want in the locker room to unwind.

        If that’s what constitutes being chattel, sign me up. 

        • Anonymous

          Famous last words.

  • Dubbythe1

    Interesting to be sure, but correlation is not causation. do we wish our owner had as much passion as reflected by the fanbase? of course! It is obvious we do not and while we long for something approaching a happy medium, I dont know if it is healthy to dissect every nook in preparation to account for our eleven (and hopefully no more) years of woes. Lets hope this labor dispute is resolved relatively soon since at this very moment that is the most important hurdle to clear on the road to creating a new era of Browns winning. (yes after that hurdle we have an almost infinite number in comparison to other teams but we’re being optimistic here right? … right???).

    • Believelander

      We dont need an owner to be passionate, but we do need one who at least cares about selling a quality product to that fan base.

    • Anonymous

       >>>Interesting to be sure, but correlation is not causation.>>>

      If you believe Art is a Rooney too, there really isn’t even correlation here without a bunch of asterisks about which eras count and which don’t.

  • Fool me once…

    I think there are many types of owners out there and I’m not sure one type is better than another. For every Dan Snyder/Dan Gilbert petulant type there’s a Mark Cuban/Steinbrenner that shows a hands owner can be successful if still overbearing. Of course everyone wants one of the old guard like John Mara and Dan Rooney types. Thing is we had one (Modell) and he pulled the single greatest sucker punch in the history of sucker punches. It was so bad they should name the punch after him.

    Outside of the Donald Sterling/Jeffery Loria types, i could care less who owns the Browns so long as they have a competent management team in place. Learner is a trust-fund idiot and certainly is at least partly responsible for the last decade of losing. But he writes huge checks and shows a willingness to pay for his mistakes (he’s paying for 3 head coaches today). He also doesn’t interfere with his football people and he’s finally put in a credible management team. Let’s see where this takes us…

    • Anonymous

      He’s a trust fund idiot until he wins. Then he’s a trust fund genius. The real fact is that he’s just an owner and ownership doesn’t really have to matter.

      All of these “horrible” hires were widely praised by the league at the time. The fact is, no one really knows who’s going to be successful in the NFL until they get there. Dandy Randy has been a decent owner with bad luck, and he’s finally decided to take himself out of the picture (at great cost) and put the most respected football man (available) in the league in his place. Randy selling the Browns at this point would, on odds, be a bad thing for Browns fans. There are much much much worse options than having Tommy & the Walrus running this show.

      • Anonymous

        The head of an organization doesn’t matter at all, and has nothing to do here with eleven years of unprecedented failure. We hear you.

        • Anonymous

          So you hear something I didn’t say, although I will say that in general I think you’re top-down theories are basically the invert of mine. Ownership is something, but less significant than coaching, which in turn is less significant than player talent.

          Randy boy hasn’t pulled the right levers yet, true. But I really don’t blame him for hiring OR firing/modifying any of the regimes that have been in here. They all had promise and were highly though of by the league coming in, and they all flamed badly enough at the most important aspects of their jobs to warrant change. And no, that isn’t because their wives weren’t getting enough hugs or they were dispirited that the owner’s parking space was empty.

          I’m just wondering what your line is going to be when Tommy & the Walrus equal or outperform that shining bastion of liberty and freedom and wife-hugs to the east. The last 2 drafts have been very well executed, and we’ll start seeing results…well, whenever they decide to start playing football again. For my money, you’ve picked an odd time to bring the pitchfork back out.

          • Anonymous

            “They all had promise and were highly though of by the league coming in.”

            Right, until they had to work in an organization led by Lerner. The one constant, the man at the top.

            “I’m just wondering what your line is going to be when Tommy & the
            Walrus equal or outperform that shining bastion of liberty and freedom
            and wife-hugs to the east.”

            In the extremely unlikely event that such a thing happens, what kind of jerk are you that you would even wonder why my line would be anything different from !!!!!!!!!!11!@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /shitspants

          • Anonymous

            >>>”I’m just wondering what your line is going to be>>

            I mean in regards to Randy and the Unified Theory of Top-Down Virtue. Because seriously, everything else aside, if Tommy & the Walrus out-draft and out-trade the competition, virtually nothing else will matter–Randy can run around sodomizing sheep in the English countryside. And so far I feel like the returns in this regard are very good.

            I mean in the drafting/trading department. Not the sheep thing.

  • Anonymous

    Lerner has a kid starting at St. Ignatius this year.  If Randy spends any time there, it’s possible the “Men for Others” will rub off a little. 

    • Anonymous

      I want to think of it as a rose in the cement, the kid’s decision to attend Ignatius, but it might just be a no-brainer.

      • Anonymous

        I’m encouraged by it.  I’m totally biased because my son went there, but it is a special, special place.

    • Believelander

      How old is Randy Lerner? He looks old as hell.

      • Anonymous

        He’s my age (gulp) but he looks like hell is right.  Money must do that to ya.

        • Believelander

          You look like a young Peyton Hillis in your profile picture so I wouldn’t be too worried, Cleve.

          • Anonymous

            Speaking of, I just bought 3 tickets to the dinner with him at Morton’s.  It’s all I wanted for my birthday, how sick is that? 

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            If by “sick”, you meant “awesome”, then I wholeheartedly agree.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks for the validation boys!  Peyton has a piece of my heart, what can I say? 

  • Jcohen

    After this season, when the Holmgren-picked coach leads the Browns to a 2-14 record, we’ll see how impressed people are with Lerner’s decision to put the team in the hands of the current regime.  We’ve danced this dance before.  A team can’t always be starting over.  Which is what happens when your owner is just going through the motions

    • Anonymous

      I’m staging a walk-out after they start 1-7.

      • Anonymous

        You should totally try to start a boycott of the first two minutes of a prime time game, then have it fail miserably, then start your own marketing company, then have that fail miserably, then meet with Lerner, then stab him in the eye with a pen, then act as your own defense at the trial, then end up a hero to Browns fans everywhere.  You should totally do that. 

        • Believelander

          3th best comment ever.

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            What he said.

        • Anonymous

          Agree except for “hero to Browns fans everywhere.”    Also, Frownie, which game in the first 8 will they win, cause I want to go.

    • Anonymous

      >>>Which is what happens when your owner is just going through the motions>>>

      Balderdash.

      • Anonymous

        Because you say so or because it’s also what happens when he reacts to publicity stunts by illiterate con men/clowns?

        • Anonymous

          Balderdash because it’s balderdash. Are we suggesting that if Randy cared more, somehow we wouldn’t have ended up with Tim Couch, Travis Wilson, Marquis Smith,  Charley Frey, Brady Quinn, Jeff Faine, Willy Green, Quincy Green, Courtney Brown, Gerrard Warren…

          The publicity stunt to which you refer may have been perpetuated by an illiterate con-man, but the fact is that such stunts are only possible within a certain atmosphere. The Browns were bottoming out and failing year after year at addressing the talent gap. And not to speak the name of He Who Was Martyred for Randy’s Sins, but everyone involved in player acquisition and development 2000-2009 bears some part in that. A much greater part than Sir Foppishbottom.

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  • Anonymous

    There are a couple little problems with this, one being that as I remember it, superlegend Art Rooney’s Steelers were the worst team in the league for quite a long time, family atmosphere and all. Off the top of my head I’m going to say they have had a period as bad as our current malaise early on in their history. And they’ve been pretty terrible at times since. Everyone reinterprets history from the present. The Steelers have had two great runs that happen to correspond with great personnel. Drafted personnel. It’s not that everyone loves the Rooneys wife-huggings so much that they flock there to ply their trade.

    I don’t really care much for Dandy Randy the Anglophile Fop, but his ownership has little to do with the Browns’ ills. They’ve had a string of total busts in the FO, but these regimes have basically been the consensus league favorites at the times of their hire. Stability would be a good thing, but should we have stuck with Dwight Clark? Davis? Koki? Sometimes the reasons for your crappy luck are just crappy luck.

    Let’s check back on this carved-in-stone owner karma thing in two years, when the current Steeler’s personnel has some important turnover and Tommy & the Walrus have had a couple drafts to create some “family” here. After all, the first prerequisite of this kind of family is having some players you don’t desperately want to disown.

    • Anonymous

      Dan Rooney is the owner of the Steelers, right? Didn’t turn 40 until the 70s, since which it’s been two dynasties in four decades for his NFL team (and Super Bowl appearances in three of the four). Lady Luck must be a real bitch. 

      • Anonymous

        Art was the owner in the 70’s. Just like the 60’s and 50’s. And Art is the one responsible for the aspect of successful ownership you are citing: caring like a mother and making a family out of an organization. I don’t think anyone in Pittsville would throw Art out with the bathwater the way you want to in order to purify your point. In ownership terms, that’s Art’s baby, even if it’s now run better (in an organizational sense) by Art’s other baby.

        Public spirited, involved owners can lose big and win big. It’s doesn’t guarantee wins any more than distant anglophile fops guarantee losses.

  • http://www.redright88.com Titus Pullo

    Good thing you weren’t in-house counsel to people like Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Milton Hershey or Dr. Seuss, to name a few, who all failed repeatedly before striking success.

    If so, we’d still be riding horses and reading by candlelight after you talked them into giving up because they were not having success.

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    If so, we’d still be riding horses and reading by candlelight after you talked them into giving up because they were not having success.

    • Dew21

      Disingenuous.  Those luminaries you mentioned failed but they cared. They also lacked a billion dollar inheritance to fall back on. But please keep trying

      • Anonymous

        They also didn’t have dads who helped Art Modell move the Browns out of Cleveland.

  • Anonymous

    FrOrange.  You’re so cute.  And such an air-schedule voyeur.

    By the way,  your rendition of  “The Hamptons” was misspelled.  It’s the “Hampsteins”.

    get it?

    RG/aka/The Emetic Semitic

  • Jaceczko

    ” Is there anything more depressing about being a Browns fan than this? ”
    Frowns, not since I read Alisdair MacIntyre’s After Virtue has my soul been plunged, at the hands of an author, into such depths of lassitude and colorless despair. Indeed, the sunset outside my window, as I write this, has been obscured by a steady,  steel-grey rain.

    Thanks a whole lot. 

    My only cure now is if the Indians win eight in a row. Otherwise it’s just work work work and no more caring about life.

    • Anonymous

      I want to be glad that I’m not alone here, but you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth in this thread.

  • Anonymous

    Wow. The Pittsburgh club had exactly 1 playoff appearance over the first 38(!!!) years of Rooney ownership, by far the worst performance in the NFL over that entire period, possibly the worst string of performance for any franchise in any sport in any city evah evah evah. Guess he didn’t have the “family” formula then?

    In any event I guess Sir Foppishbottom has a couple decades left to redeem himself, eh?

    • Anonymous

      Whatever about the ancient NFL, again, Dan Rooney owns the Steelers, and since he’s been an adult, he’s presided over two dynasties in four decades for his NFL
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      • Anonymous

        So yeah, what your saying is that Dan Rooney’s watered down version of family values business is win-generating genius, while papa Art’s (who basically invented the genre and taught the rest of the family how to do it) was foolish. Because football games didn’t count back in the 60’s. Or something. Got it.

        I’m not saying it’s luck that the Steeler’s organization has had great success in this stretch. They do have good personnel, great scouting, and a tradition of coaching stability. I just think it borders on superstition to think that this naturally follows from having the person who’s name is on the ownership papers punching the clock. You can have the scion of a bare-knuckle gangster as owner, or a dickish razor blade magnate, or a Texas blowhard in ladies underwear and makeup, or a pretentious Anglophile fop. As we will see in the coming years.

        • Anonymous

          You’re forgetting who turned them around – Chuck Knoll.
          Benedictine grad  & Browns og/lb.

          • Anonymous

            The only parts of the Steeler’s “glory” that aren’t simply stolen and reflected from the Browns are explained by steroids, gangsterism, and the luck of the hill people.

  • Anonymous

    biker big show is glowering at you.  here’s his ‘you’re in my recliner’ face.

  • Anonymous

    It’s so fun here today.  Footprints were such a good idea.

    • Anonymous

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    Here i thought this few day old thread would get stale. Nothing like a few sheep&sodomy references to breath new life into a discussion…

    I’m totally with you on your assessment of role vs. importance for a sports organization. For what its worth, the single greatest thing an owner can do is write big checks. Above all else that is his role. The old-guard and their family atmosphere makes for a feel good story, but keep in mind there’s more than a hint of ass-kissing going on here. At the end of the day players (and executives) sign on the dotted line that has the most zero’s next to it. If they say some nice things to make the owner happy (and more willing to add a zero here or there), so be it.

    People forget that Carmon Policy/Dwight Clark were considered a coup. Butch Davis was the next big thing. Phil Savage was the genius behind the Ravens superior drafting. Eric Mangini was the … wait … that was the only decision that most Media thought was bad. And he was/is a Frownie favorite. For what it’s worth I loved Mangini and what he brought to the table. I think it’s a shame the media essentially forced him out…

    To agree with Frownie on one point – I do think that Lerner has some blood on his hands here. He was awfully wishy-washy for a long time and that undermined the organization. He didn’t anoint clear leadership after Policy/Clark. Remember the Savage/Collins pissing fight? Then repeated by Mankok? But you also have to give him credit that he washed his hands of it and paid top-dollar for the most credible NFL guy he could get. And then he made him #1 in the org even at the expense of offending the legendary Jim Brown. And he didn’t interfere in the firing of Mangini (even if I think it was the wrong decision). He’s now just a guy that writes big checks, has a credible (if unproven) management team in place, and will let them do their business. That’s how it should be done.

    • Fool me once…

      Oops – meant for this to be a reply to bupalos comments below. Coffee is exceedingly weak this morning…

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    Don’t care who Lerner sleeps with….

    However, I hate that he could not care less about the Browns.  I think it is a shame the only statue in Berea is of his dad, and all the players have his dad’s initials on their jerseys.  Al screwed us by moving with Art to Baltimore, then cashed in again knowing the city would give him anything he wanted to come back. No way NFL should have given the team to Al after what he did with Art.  Little Lerner is a joke owner, it is pathetic to have Holmgren go to owners meetings for you, 31 owenrs and Holmgren, the other owners cannot respect him at all and nor do the fans or players.

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