Enough with the Greg Little/Braylon Edwards Comparisons, Please

by Cleveland Frowns on August 22, 2011

As much as it’s probably impossible for Tony Grossi to understand that all fast athletic black guys aren’t exactly the same, there might be Cleveland.com/PD readers at the margins for whom it might help to point out: Just because a guy takes the no-risk opportunity in the pre-season to reward what he correctly understands to be highly appreciative Browns fans with a reprise of the most awesome touchdown celebration in American football history …

… that doesn’t at all make him a jerk, an embarrassingly starstruck dandy, a code blue sociopath, or guarantee that he has anything else in common with Braylon Edwards other than that they’re both young, black, and fast and athletic enough to play wide receiver in the NFL.

What Greg Little’s decision to celebrate his first preseason touchdown as a Cleveland Brown by gloriously punting the ball into oblivion does show is that Little loves football and loves being awesome at it more than Braylon ever did, and of course, that Little loves and appreciates Browns fans who know awesome TD celebrations when they see them.

This would also be the place to note that we’re talking about the same Tony Grossi who less than a year ago was telling us that there was nothing wrong with Braylon anyway; that the receiver was only an “enigma” who was mismanaged by Eric Mangini. Which still works fine for Grossi, of course, because all the fast athletic black receivers are the same, whether you want to call them “divas,” “enigmas,” or whatever, and there are coaches who can handle them and coaches who can’t.

Just when you think it’s impossible for Grossi’s worldview to be any more warped than it is, he goes and writes another column.

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UPDATE: Greg Little says enough with the Greg Little/Braylon Edwards comparisons, please.

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Relatedly, here’s a class shot:

Hey, Tony: 1) Pat Shurmur seems must more approachable and willing to answer questions during press conferences (plus he seems like a nice guy). It’s refreshing to see after years of secrets, secrets, and more secrets. What are your thoughts from a reporter’s perspective on Shurmur? … — Derp Derpstein, Derpahassee, Fla.

Hey, Mitch: Shurmur’s off to a good start. He seems like a normal person who happens to be a football coach. No hidden agendas. …

A normal person. To hell with anyone who isn’t that. What would we do without reporters like Grossi to protect us against the non-normal, and football coaches with the hidden agenda of winning football games?

And in case you were wondering:

Hey, Tony: … How would you describe the difference with Holmgrem/Heckert this year compared with last year? Is Holmgren more involved or engaged with Shurmur than with Mangini? Was the Holmgren/Mangini relationship non-existent or was it based solely on wins and losses? — Cuyler Hunter, Columbus

Hey, Cuyler: Holmgren has done more coaching in the first two weeks of training camp than he did all of last year. There’s no doubt the chemistry in the building is better now.

Of course.

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The offense looked fine on Friday, the defense looked semi-alarming. Both teams were missing about ten starters each. Kaluka Maiava looked good and D’Qwell Jackson looks like a star in the 4-3. The Browns look like every bit of an 8-8 or 9-7 NFL football team. Real games start 3 weeks from yesterday.

Cuuuugs won the Blingee/GLC Trophy Challenge.

We’ll be back tomorrow to talk some Tribe and who knows what else.

  • Believelander

    Hey, Tony! When are you gonna nab a real job?

  • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

    I’ll be honest about Little – that punt into the stands, then him subsequently pretending to pull a flag out of his pocket and throw it up into the air had me laughing for a solid 5 minutes. A nice, creative celebration for a guy who hadn’t played organized football in quite some time.

    I can see how some people might not like it; those people are idiots. It was awesome.

  • Anonymous

    Holmgren has probably more involved simply of out necessity (or design) because the team doesn’t have an offensive coordinator.

    • Jaceczko

      No, they have an offensive coordinator. It’s “head coach” that they’re missing.

  • http://twitter.com/SeanPullins SeanPullins

    Greg Little ‘s entourage likes using sporks to stab Nightclub workers. Not forks like Braylon’s entourage.  See Julio Grossi they are nothing alike.

  • eldaveablo

    Interesting you say 8-8, 9-7. Peter King doesn’t disagree (not exactly the gold standard, but I prefer him predicted good things for the Browns):

    6. I think if you look at Cleveland’s schedule — the Browns play the AFC West this year — you can see them winning eight games. At least I can. I mean, you look at the schedule in the first 11 games and you think: Somebody at 280 Park Avenue is very fond of Randy Lerner.

    The slate includes one team, Indy, with a winning record in 2010: 1. Cincinnati, 2. at Indianapolis, 3. Miami, 4. Tennessee, 5. at Oakland, 6. Seattle, 7. at San Francisco, 8. at Houston, 9. St. Louis, 10. Jacksonville, 11. at Cincinnati.

    Not saying they’ll go 10-1, and you gotta think the other teams are looking at Cleveland on the schedule and thinking it’s an eminently winnable game. But the point is, no other team in the league has the kind of chance to start strong and stay strong as Cleveland has. The problem with the first 11 weeks for the Browns is the season isn’t 11 games. It’s 16. And the last five games include two with Baltimore and two with Pittsburgh. But when you face one strong returning playoff team in the first 11 games (Seattle, at 7-9, will forever be asterisked, even with the decisive win over New Orleans), you think it might just be your year.
    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/08/21/preseason.week2/index.html#ixzz1VmG6Yuzc

    • Anonymous

       >>>But the point is, no other team in the league has the kind of chance to start strong and stay strong as Cleveland has.

      Whoa. That’s a little strong.

      I like the optimism around here, but the fact that everyone forgets is that depth is just about as important as overall talent. And while the Browns start to look passable on the first teams, we’re simply tissue paper thin. Four games in you can almost guarantee we’ll be talking about “critical” injuries, because on this team EVERY injury is going to be critical. But I like this year as a time to start seeing the core function and we’ve got a nice stocked draft and a fair amount of money next year to flesh out some depth.

      • eldaveablo

        Totally agree. King’s view more optimistic than mine, but it’s just nice to hear optimism from outside. 

        Another thing I always remind myself is how teams change from year to year. Last year, everyone was talking about how easy our schedule was at the beginning with “lightweights” like Tampa and KC. i think we all remember how those games turned out…

    • Anonymous

      best of all is having Bal and Pit in the final 2 games..  those could very well be meaningless games for both of them, especially since their schedule is even easier than ours (on paper).   we may even be able to catch Indy early on without Peyton, which obviously is a huge plus..  a minimum 7-9 looks more and more realistic by the day..  but for all you naysayers, i’m still willing to take all the action in the world on the under, just let me know anytime before kickoff of the first game of the regular season..  

  • jhflk44

    What I like most about the punt was that Shumur calls him over and speaks to Little man to man. No screaming or embarrassing the guy. Let’s face it the guy is what 21 or 22 years old and I did a lot of dumb stuff when I was young, but I always remembered when someone pulled me aside and set me straight without making me feel worse!   I like teching aspect this staff brings

    • Anonymous

      you mean like how Butch grabbed him and threw him like a rag doll?  (see youtube video frownie posted)

  • Anonymous

    you’re right, @Str8upGLittle’s checkered past may make him even more of a risk of being a sideshow for the team than Braylon..  let’s just hope Shurmur and Co are able to maintain some sort of order and discipline with this kid instead of how Club Romeo seemingly let Braylon off the hook for all his shenanigans..   

  • Ess Eh

    Grossi is always going to hate Little b/c he has an insatiable hard on for Julio Jones.  His sources say, Julio Jones is having a phenomenal camp in Atlanta, while Grossi feels it is necessary to inform the Browns fans of every dropped pass Little has in practice.   Little seems to have some really good hands come game time.

    As far as the celebration, I agree with Daniel Tosh: ‘your job is to catch a ball, I don’t care if you have a 10 minute tea party in the endzone’

    • Technivore

      I did in actual fact literally LOL at the “my sources say he looks ‘phenomenal’” line. I would have loved to have heard the whole quote, my guess it went something like: “Yeah Jones looks pretty good for a rookie WR, his route running is still suspect but with the ball in his hands he has a phenomenal ability to make the first guy miss” or something like that. Which of course Grossi turns into “PHENOMENAL!! MY SOURCES SAY HIS BUST JUST APPEARED ON A HIGHWAY OVERPASS OUTSIDE CANTON, CRYING ACTUAL TEARS MADE OUT OF VITAMIN WATER”

  • Brian Sipe

    We should have 2 gimmies with Cincy… WOW do they look horrible

  • Anonymous

    Raiders select TP in 3rd round… 

    • eldaveablo

      If any team is going to take him a round earlier than anyone else was considering, you know it had to be the Raiders. 

      • Anonymous

        hopefully Hue Jackson and company can help the kid achieve success in this next level.  I’m a huge TP fan and wish him the best.. 

      • Anonymous

        I honestly thought someone was going to use a 2nd rounder on him. An absolute steal for the Raiders.

        • Vari

          Jemarcus Russell part II.  The sequel is always worse than the original.

          • Anonymous

            ??? There are almost no correlations between Pryor and Russell, totally different everything.

            I find Pryor pretty low risk, simply because he’s a superb athlete used to handling the football that runs sub 4.4

            He’ll be playing NFL football in 3 years, I can pretty much guarantee that, and you can’t say that about most 3rd rounders. It’s a decent value bet on the part of the Raiders…just wish he had gone somewhere that might have encouraged his better angels instead of his worse. The biggest risk in TP is the team that drafted him.

          • Anonymous

            All black guys are the same to Vari, bup. Don’t you read his comments? You’re wasting your breath on this one.

          • Vari

            How so?  Curious.

          • Believelander

            Accidental ‘like’ there. Example: The Empire Strikes Back, Kill Bill Vol. 2, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, Naked Gun 2 1/2, Die Hard 2, Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, and The Land Before Time 13.

          • Vari

            Empire is the only one I’ll agree on.  Maybe Temple, too.

          • Believelander

            Point being, there’s about no similarity between these two picks, since about 50 million dollars less in salary mean TP has to toe the line, work hard, and earn

          • Vari

            The only similarity I can see beside Frowns confirming they’re both black is that they are both busts.

          • Vari

            The only similarity I can see beside Frowns confirming they’re both black is that they are both busts.

          • Vari

            The only similarity I can see beside Frowns confirming they’re both black is that they are both busts.

      • http://www.facebook.com/theoriginalcsongor Thomas Csongor Szendrey

        The Crypt Keeper strikes again.

    • Anonymous

      1st game TP is eligible is against the Browns..  

  • The Cuuuuuuuuuuuuuugs

    Uh, I have way more u’s than that in my name… where do I go to get my free Cleveland Frowns t-shirt?

    Hopefully, Little kicks Grossi in the head like he kicked that football someday!

  • Anonymous

    Greg Little is obviously one of the guys who “gets it.” http://twitter.com/#!/Str8upGLittle/status/105707309367443457

  • Anonymous

    As long as he doesn’t cause problems in the locker room or commit any felonies, I don’t care how he celebrates a TD.  I like a little personality now and again.

    • Anonymous

      Jim Thome on waivers…Hafner hurt again.  Please tell it won’t happen.

      • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

        Ok, I’ll bite. What don’t you want to happen?

        • Anonymous

          His fat behind in a Tribe uniform again.  I’ll have to do radio only, I’m serious. 

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            Fat jokes are a little weak. I’ll bring numbers to the discussion.

            Thome (since July 1st) .273 BA, .365 obp, .929 OPS – 8 HR, 27 RBI
            Hafner (since July 1st) .231 BA, .315 OBP, .662 OPS – 4 HR, 20 RBI

            Hafner had 165 plate appearances over that stretch, and Thome had 110. So honestly, if the only reason you don’t want him is due to the way he fills out a uniform, then we just have fundamental differences in how we value baseball players.

            I’d prefer my designated hitters to, you know, hit the ball.

          • Anonymous

            He turned his back (and that big behind) on us, and I choose to do the same to him.  Hell hath no fury…

            I’ll take my chances with Shelley Duncan, who has to wake up every morning and check to see which city he’s in that day, but you can be sure he’s always happiest when he’s here.

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            He didn’t turn his back on anyone. The front office had started their salary slashing spree, and he was a casualty.  Here, read this one.

            http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/2011/08/thome-hit-a-homey-and-the-indians-win-it/#comment-288167468

            Shapiro had zero intention of resigning Thome. I thought that part was obvious.

          • Anonymous

            They did make him an offer, so he had a choice.  I’m not buying that he didn’t have a say in the matter.  There is no way I would leave a place that I (supposedly) loved, that loved me back a thousand fold, for a relatively small upgrade in compensation.  Would you?

            If he did get the shaft, why not say so?  He knew how upset people were…why not tell us what happened if it was true?

             

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            “If he did get the shaft, why not say so?”

            He’s not the kind of guy to rock a boat. Or complain for that matter.

          • Anonymous

            Why would he worry about rocking the boat? – he had just been thrown overboard, according to your source.

          • Anonymous

            shapiro gave him three offers in total, with 2 counter offers, so get out of here with that zero intention of resigning thome talk..  thome left for the biggest contract offer in the history of the phillies!  again i don’t blame him for leaving, and i think it would’ve crippled us if he signed, but it’s not like we gave him some lowball offer and had no intention of resigning him..   

            and CLTIL is right, he had a choice, and it wasn’t because he would’ve loved to see a player stay on the same team for his entire career, or because he loved cleveland so much..  it’s because that extra $25 million sure is hard to turn down!  

            but we could possibly get him for pennies on the dollar, but if they keep things up they could be throwing up the white flag on the season by the end of the week..  

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            If Shapiro really wanted to resign him, he had all year to talk to his agent. He didn’t even call him until after Thome committed to Philly. You really have no idea what you’re talking about. I got my information from someone involved in the discussions.

            On an aside, I’ve had contracts expire, then moved on, then gotten extension offers after I’d committed somewhere else. If you go back on your word after the fact, you look like an asshole.

          • Anonymous

            you’re wrong bud, but go ahead with your bad self..  he didn’t call him until after Thome commited to philly??    so then why were there 2 other counter offers???    why did Philly up their offer???   they didn’t offer 6 years initially..  did your insider tell you that???   

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            Thome wanted 6 years. Philly offered it. Cleveland didn’t. How is this Thome’s fault? Tell me.

          • Anonymous

            i never said it’s thome’s fault, lol.  but you’re changing your story..  philly didn’t offer 6 years initially, they offered 5..   thome used the indians as a bargaining chip to get the 6th year from Philly, but you already knew that through your inside source..  

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            Thome waited a week for the Indians to match Philly. Shapiro made 1 lowball offer and that was it. They decided they were going to rebuild, so they let him walk. I’m not sure how this isn’t completely obvious.

          • Anonymous

            lowball offer???   WHY DIDN’T THOME TAKE PHILLY’S FIRST OFFER?????  why did he let the negotiations drive up the price????   because of a lowball offer???  it’s completely obvious that you are pulling this “insider info” out of your a$$

          • Anonymous

            did your inside connect tell you the indians actually made 2 counter “lowball” offers??  why would there be not 1, not 2, but 3 total offers from the Indians if they had no intention of signing him or it was a “lowball” offer???    maybe you should call your inside connect and confirm with them what actually went down.. 

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            Say whatever the hell you want. The Indians made 1 offer, Philly added a 6th year, and Cleveland let him walk. Show me something in print about 3 offers from the Indians.

          • Anonymous

            indians made 3 offers buddy boy.  their initial 4 year offer and philly presented him with the 5 year deal..  indians matched 5 years, albeit for less money per year, and philly got scared that thome may sign with the Indians for less and upped their offer to 6 years..   Indians matched the 6 years, but made the 6th year incentive based, but he decided to take the fully gauranteed 6 years.  again, no beef with him for doing so. but you and your inside contact are way off on how it went down..  

          • Anonymous

            indians made 3 offers buddy boy.  their initial 4 year offer and philly presented him with the 5 year deal..  indians matched 5 years, albeit for less money per year, and philly got scared that thome may sign with the Indians for less and upped their offer to 6 years..   Indians matched the 6 years, but made the 6th year incentive based, but he decided to take the fully gauranteed 6 years.  again, no beef with him for doing so. but you and your inside contact are way off on how it went down..  

      • Believelander

        THOME COME HOMEY!

    • Believelander

      Is it cool if G-Little commis misdemeanors?

      • Anonymous

        I don’t really care what he does as long as it doesn’t negatively affect the team or the city. 

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    Yeah, what a terrible tragedy…being FORCED to move the ball back 15 in a practice game…while other teams are begging for permission to voluntarily move it back:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/13/bears-ignored-new-kickoff-rule-twice/

    Now you take one in a real game, you’re hurting the team and it goes in another category. But personally I think that was an awesome exhibition exhibition.

    I don’t know why the hell punting the ball is a penalty anyway. It’s quick and clean and pure. You can throw it down but not kick it up? Can you spin it? Can you balance it on your head? Can you make like you’re stroking a 3 pointer? Who decides this stuff?  There is absolutely nothing unsportsmanlike about joyously lofting the ball into the stands off your foot.

  • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

      And us too!

    • Anonymous

      This makes total sense…I’m guessing (and hoping) that they are front loading this thing and thus spending a bunch of this year’s unused cap space to effectively “spend forward” into the out years. I don’t know that much about the way NFL contracts work and the new cap, but that’s what I would suspect. Anyone know?

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  • http://twitter.com/AndyCoalter Andy Coalter

    Could not agree more with regards to the punt. 

    I’ll take that celebration (and the flag) every week, thank you.

    • Believelander

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