Joe Thomas says Super Bowl!

by Cleveland Frowns on August 24, 2011

Four-for-four Pro Bowler Joe Thomas signed a seven-year contract extension with the Browns for $84 million, $44 million guaranteed, and nobody isn’t happy about that. But when such a newsworthy event happens, there will always be folks who can’t help themselves from projecting with it, and unfortunately for Browns fans, those folks happen to work for Cleveland’s flagship newspaper. So you probably already know that we have lock first-ballot Hall of Fame head coach Pat Shurmur and Pat Shurmur alone to thank for the left tackle’s new deal.

Of course, every NFL franchise has money to print for four-for-four Pro Bowl left tackles. But only one has the Shurminator.

Here’s Tony Grossi leading off a piece titled “Pat Shurmur’s aggressive offense is bringing welcome excitement to Cleveland Browns:

If you knew Joe Thomas, you’d realize that money alone wasn’t the reason he agreed to bypass free agency and sign a new contract with the Browns for $84 million over seven years. Thomas explained that he believes the direction of the franchise now is pointing the right way. He said something else that should not be discounted.

“I really like having an offensive head coach, that’s another reason why I wanted to be here,” Thomas said.

“I think Coach [Pat] Shurmur’s an awesome person, a great coach, a hands-on coach. That’s something I haven’t had because we’ve had defensive coaches here. To have him in every gameplan meeting, running the offensive strategy meetings, that’s fun to be around.”

Fun is the operative word when players describe the change in offense.

And per Mary Kay Cabot, “[Joe Thomas] signs 7-year extension, says team is ‘building something special’”:

Joe Thomas sees a Super Bowl victory in the Cleveland Browns’ future and he was determined to be around for it. That’s why the Pro Bowl left tackle signed a seven-year contract extension Monday.

More from Thomas himself by way of Cabot:

“I know a championship is coming to Cleveland and I have to be a part of it,” he told The Plain Dealer by phone. “That’s everything. That’s why I wanted to do a long-term deal. Five years ago when I started this thing, that was my top goal on my list was to bring a championship here and I see the huge strides we’ve made.

“Sometimes we’ve had to take one step back to take steps forward, but I see the direction this thing is headed and I want to be part of the championship.” …

“No question, that was a big goal of mine coming in was to be able to start and finish with the Cleveland Browns and it means so much to me,” he said. “We’re really building something special with [General Manager] Tom Heckert and [President] Mike Holmgren and I think this program is headed in the right direction. It was really important for me to make this a real long-term deal so that I can finish my career here.”

“I’m so excited to continue playing in front of the fans that I love and the organization that I love,” said Thomas.

His enthusiasm for the Browns has been renewed by coach Pat Shurmur and the new regime.

“I’ve been so impressed with coach Shurmur and the staff that he brought in and the way he teaches the players,” said Thomas. “Tom Heckert’s been drafting guys I really want to be around and I want to be part of this really great thing that’s going on now. The way the team has picked up the new offense, plenty of mistakes have been made, but you can just see the potential there. It’s so exciting to be part of it.”

Thomas is especially optimistic about the future of the offense with Colt McCoy at quarterback.

“I’ve been really impressed with Colt,” said Thomas. “The jump he’s made and the way he’s really taking to this offense has been very impressive. To be able to block for him has been truly special and I’m very happy I get to continue to do that and hopefully someday I can tell my grandkids that I got to block for Colt McCoy.”

Which all sounds really nice, even if the only possible reasonable reaction to all of it is to ask what else anyone would expect Thomas to say about re-signing with the Browns?

More interestingly, what doesn’t come up in a single one of the Plain Dealer reports on Thomas signing (or any other report we can find in a local newspaper, independent site, or anywhere else) is the question of what else anyone would have expected Thomas to do but re-sign with the Browns. Not a single one of these reports mentions the NFL’s “franchise player” tag that the Browns could have slapped on Thomas to infinity to make sure that he stayed in Cleveland. Or that if any Cleveland Brown would have been sure to be slapped with the franchise tag in the absence of a workable deal, it would have been Joe Thomas.

None of which is to say it’s not a wonderful thing to have a perennial Pro Bowler and probable Hall of Famer start and finish his career in Cleveland. But yeah, the “avid outdoorsman” from Wisconsin with his own hunting and fishing TV show in Cleveland, the stoic offensive lineman who passed on attending his NFL draft to go fishing with his dad, why else would that guy want to finish his career where he started it, at the intersection of the Cuyahoga River Valley and the shores of Lake Erie?

Super Bowl! Super Bowl! Super Bowl! Shurminator! Browns!

The hallmark of the credentialed Cleveland Browns press, the endless cycle of terminally adolescent enabling then tormenting of the head football coaches, is flowering so spectacularly right now that all there really is to do is just sit back and enjoy it.

Like more on hallmarks from Tony Grossi. Did you know that:

Red zone efficiency is the hallmark of a strong offense. Scoring touchdowns instead of field goals not only lights the scoreboard but emboldens a team.

Other hallmarks of a strong offense: Having a non-third-round-rookie or non-eight-year-career-backup quarterback start more than three games in a row; Having a healthy receiver who’s better than Chansi Stuckey; Having an offensive line that doesn’t have to start Scott Kooistra or John St. Clair. See, things are looking way up.

A year ago, the Browns ranked 25th in red-zone efficiency, reaching the end zone 19 times in 42 trips from the 20 and in. It’s only the preseason, but the Browns have scored TDs each of the three times they’ve reached the red zone.

Three for three, you guys. That’s 100%. And Grossi doesn’t mention this, but the Browns first-team defense has only given up touchdowns twice on three trips by their preseason opponents’ first team offenses into the red zone, which is 67%.

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In other news, if you missed it on Monday, Greg Little says “enough with the Greg Little/Braylon Edwards comparisons, please.”

Which makes all kinds of sense and is all for today.

The Browns put their perfect red zone record at risk in Philly tomorrow, who can even wait?

  • Vari

    Once again Frowns finds the crap sandwich in the middle of the buffet.

  • http://twitter.com/SeanInColumbus Sean Pullins

    I can’t believe STO gave Joe Thomas an outdoors show. And Colt McCoy catches a bigger fish than Joe.  D’arcy Egan is at his computer looking at these pictures in tears.

    • Believelander

      Joe Thomas is a f@xzing PIMPPpPPppppp so back down foo

      • http://twitter.com/SeanInColumbus Sean Pullins

        Intersting, I thought he was a Left Tackle but thanks for the info. I will be happy to back down but I am not a foo

  • CJMinCLE

    Correction Frownie,

    Evening KNR hacks Reghi and Rhoda, specifically Rhoda did not like the signing…

     To support his point (as well as my theory that these two do precisely ZERO show prep before ranting venomous negativity for 2 hours every afternoon) he said that this was a cap crippling move down the road, and that they had more pressing needs to fill this free agency season. Then they both asked if this makes him the highest paid left tackle in the league (when EVERY article on the subject stated in paragraph 1 that it makes him the highest paid lineman in football).

    It’s really convenient to ignore the fact that like half the teams in the league would have lined up to pay him even more after he became a free agent, that he actually WANTS to play here, that he’s a sure-fire hall of famer and an heir to a left tackle legacy including Lou Groza, Dick Schafrath, and Doug Dieken, and that they used money they had for free agency THIS YEAR to lock up someone who’s a free agent next year, at a likely discount, to see what your needs are after a year in a new offense and defense, and fill those needs next year. 

    Isn’t locking up a great team guy and future hall of famer something we can all get behind?

    I guess not, if your whole life revolves around finding the negative in everything.

    • http://twitter.com/SeanInColumbus Sean Pullins

      Roda=Steelers

    • Anonymous

      What’s more amazing, that R&R actually said all of those things or that you stayed tuned in long enough to find out? 

      • Anonymous

        had a great visit to ohio last weekend.  brought son out to tour OSU.  pretty much everything exceeded expectations (tOSU, CBS, maproom, rockhall, Jake).

        the one exception occurred friday afternoon driving into town from cbus.  when we got within range, we thought it’d be good to catch some pre-game talk for the browns on KNR.  whooa. man. brutal.  first, they were talking tribe and that’s ok with the pennant race and all i guess.  i’d have expected browns talk but ok, whatever.  i have to say i forget what they were talking about except that it was a perfect storm of pompous and stupid mixed in with borderline shout all with a grating nasal accent.  if leonard pinth-garnell did ‘Bad Radio’ his review would include at least two of these.  
        “Stunningly bad!”
        “Monumentally ill-advised!”
        “Exquisitely awful!”
        “Astonishingly ill-chosen!”
        “Unrelentingly bad!”
        “There… That wasn’t so good now, was it?”

        seriously guys, we couldn’t take it for more then five minutes.  you’ve got to be psyched for The Bull to arrive, regardless of where he’s from.

        • Anonymous

          The great Aykroyd on SNL, he did it all didn’t he? 

          Yes, KNR is little embarrassing and we are looking forward to something new.  The sports talk around here is not what it used to be.

      • CJMinCLE

        Had it online in the office after the Rome show was over…that all came out in first 3 minutes of the show. 

  • http://twitter.com/lilOUmikey Michael Tricarichi

    I’m confused? 

    You’re suggesting pissing off our best and the NFL’s 9th best player by constantly giving Thomas a 1 year deal? Essentially fucking him out of any future earning potential? You want the man protecting the blind side of Colt or whoever our quarter back is (as long as he’s right handed) to be pissed off at the front office which in turn will go to the team? 

    I really think you’re off base here, now I understand you like to take the cynical view on stories that everyone is positive about, but really? The Franchise tag?  The same tag that resulted in hold outs from Logan Mankins and Vincent Jackson last year? Sorry, Pete, but you’re WAY off base here. 

    I’m surprised how today’s article wasn’t fully based on our new “Punter’s” tweet towards you without actually using your twitter handle, and obviously not reading the article. I saw it coming already, “At least Mangini’s 2nd Round Picks Weren’t Illiterate!” 

    • Anonymous

      I understand that you’re a charter member of the Colt McCoy Book of the Month club sponsored by In Holmgren We Trust, but all I’m suggesting about the franchise tag is that it was a significant consideration in the Thomas negotiations, and one that should have at least been mentioned in one of four Plain Dealer ‘reports’ on the subject (along with a number of other significant relevant facts about Thomas). Thanks for being a jerk, though. Maybe try reading again.

      • Anonymous

        Also, Little didn’t make any spelling mistakes, and you know there’s only so much room in a tweet. What is your problem today? Have you been forgetting to freshen up with your holographic chips?

      • http://twitter.com/lilOUmikey Michael Tricarichi

        Cmon, i said “Colt or whoever our quarter back is”, I didn’t say “Protecting the incredible, franchise savior’s blind side”. Also, guess I somewhat misunderstood since I was reading it on my Phone and I’m not gonna link and relink to all the side stories from there, Steve Jobs can only do so much. 

        I will say this though, I don’t know if its from your writing or if its actually there, but every question Grossi asks Shurmur I think its a dig at Mangini. I’m thinking a little of both. 

        • Anonymous

          Fine but don’t think I’ve forgotten all of those Growing Up Colt tweets.

          • http://twitter.com/lilOUmikey Michael Tricarichi

            Some of us didn’t grow up as “the coaches son”, so let me live vicariously through him. I mean, wouldn’t you? Did you see his wife?!?

      • http://twitter.com/SeanInColumbus Sean Pullins

        How do I join the Colt McCoy Book of the Month Club?

        • http://twitter.com/lilOUmikey Michael Tricarichi

          Ask Pete if he’s read the book yet, that’s all it took from me. (WAHOO FREE MEMBERSHIP)

          • Anonymous

            Pffft. If Flip Flippen has taught us anything it’s that nothing in life is free.

    • Bryan

      I don’t think Pete is against the signing, or arguing we should have waited to franchise Thomas.  He is against the “spin” from the local media that the Thomas signing is a validation of the Holmgren/Shurmur combo.   

      • Vari

        I think we all know there are other media sources to obtain opinion.  Why wouldn’t you at least mention how nice it is that the Browns secured propbably the best player they have had since our return for another 7 years?  A quality, class-act guy?  Sure he’s rolling in piles of cash now but he’s been a freaking rock for us his entire career.

        • Anonymous

          Um, “Four-for-four Pro Bowler Joe Thomas signed a seven-year contract
          extension with the Browns for $84 million, $44 million guaranteed, and
          nobody isn’t happy about that.

          As for “quality, class-act guy,” there’s at least one rare South Euclid Bighorn Sheep as well as assorted perch and muskies who might argue with you on that point.

          • Vari

            Ok, fair point.

          • AUTOMATICOTTO

            absolutely hilarious note on the wildlife, and yes, props were given to j.thomas!!
            the regular season will prove hof status for shurmer !!!

            going lowercase not to offend !!!

      • Anonymous

        Exactly.  He just likes to makes us work a little harder to get there.

  • Anonymous

    under-armour is getting their money’s worth out from joe.  i have to assume there’s a UA logo on the puppy’s collar too but somehow it didn’t make it into the shot.

    • bobby

      I strongly suspect that a giant free box of  UA logoed gear might be JT’s entire wardrobe.  Well that and  Wedding/Funeral suit.

      And that probably has as much to do with JT not needing to go by any “Threads”   because DAYUM these folks send me a giant free box of clothes every couple of weeks.

      as it does with  how can I help rep my “brand”.

      Just saying he doesn’t strike me as a clothes “horse”  you wouldn’t see #17 in duds like that even if he was under contract.

  • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

    This entire post is PETA’s worst nightmare. I love it.

    • Anonymous

      I wonder how long it took him to stalk and kill the Labrador?  The head of that cutie is probably hanging up on the wall of his rec. room.

      • Anonymous

        No no no he wears it around his neck. It doesn’t even come off on game days.

      • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

        In all fairness, he probably hunted it at dark. Do you have ANY idea how hard that is?

        /former black lab owner

  • http://www.redright88.com Titus Pullo

    Joe Thomas thinks Super Bowls, not 5-11 seasons!

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, but he doesn’t think TDs, so eff him. 

  • Ess Eh

    Aggressive and excitement on offense? wow.  Too bad last years preseason games only gave us borderline explosive.

    Let’s see, Lions go 4-0 in the preseason, then 0-16 in the regular season… and the media still goes crazy for a few TD’s in preseason.

    • Anonymous

      Still it would be really hard for the offense not to be better this year.

      • Ess Eh

        Agreed, but it seems like we say that every year.

    • Ess Eh

      Over/Under on how many regular season games it takes before we hear about bad play calling on offense, throwing short on 3rd and long, and fgs instead of touchdowns?

      How about 2.5 games. Any action out there?

  • Jaceczko

    I know I said this yesterday but I want to say it again because I only mean it as a praise of Joe Thomas, and I think, Frowns, you didn’t do that enough in this post. I repeat: this is a praise of Joe Thomas, and Joe Thomas is the only specific individual to whom this comment refers.There are Joe Thomases in the world and then there are… other types. The Joe Thomases commit to a place and serve it and make it better.The…other types…use a place to make themselves better. And if it doesn’t make them better, they quit on it and try to reap their unearned prosperity in one that does. —J in DC

    • Anonymous

      Yeah while it’s hard to go quite that far specifically with a pro athlete that’s making scads and scads of money one way or the other, I do like the sentiment, and do get the sense that Joe is good people.

      >>The…other types…use a place to make themselves better.

      I’m knee deep in slick-water fracking** stuff for a nonprofit client today so this really resonates for me today.

      **If you don’t know what slickwater fracking is and what it means for NE Ohio, you ought to find out sooner rather than later.

  • Anonymous

    Does my heart good to see a decent, hard-working regular guy succeed in every way. 

    Cheeseheads Rule!  Cheeseheads Rule!

  • Anonymous

    Does my heart good to see a decent, hard-working regular guy succeed in every way. 

    Cheeseheads Rule!  Cheeseheads Rule!

  • Anonymous

    >>the endless cycle of terminally adolescent enabling then tormenting of the head football coaches

    If any pro football coach is actually either “enabled” or “tormented” by someone in the press, he’s not really a professional, plain and simple. This goes back to my hackneyed critique that whether your press is rah rah or boooo boooo really matters not a bit. The press hates the stubborn and silent Belichick tree guys because they make the media’s job harder. They love the Shurmur types for playing along and making things easy. It really doesn’t matter.

    >>Having a healthy receiver who’s better than Chansi Stuckey; Having an
    offensive line that doesn’t have to start Scott Kooistra or John St.
    Clair.

    First I’m honestly not 100% sure we do have a healthy receiver who’s better than Chansi Stuckey. Looks like Little surely will be, but no one else is clearly better. Second, no offensive line “has to” start John St. Clair, and if you do play him you certainly don’t have to call your game as if he’s going to do his job. I know he used to be passable, but it was clear from signing and training camp 09 on that he just couldn’t play. He’s the worst performing tackle I’ve ever seen, with the ability to dominate games for the defense and destroy multiple quarterbacks. It was organizational failure that he was on the team, and IMO coaching failure that he somehow kept getting rated high enough to play… or at the least that they never identified plays needed to be changed to bring him help. I think he’s one of the poster children for the dark side of Mangini’s process oriented approach.

    “He’s [St. Clair] a great guy,” Mangini said, “What we look for in
    players that we bring in are core characteristics: smart, tough,
    competitive, hard working, selfless. John has all those characteristics.
    He’s just a steady guy, really good in the locker room and a good
    teammate. I’ve been really happy that he’s here.”

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, again, as much as I’d love to turn my brain off and believe in your hackneyed critique, the guys who are in the building every day interacting with the players and the organization and writing about them/represent them to the public every day still have to have a significant impact on the whole thing. You might also remember what a guy named Braylon used the media to do back in 2009. And there was this guy named Dawg Pound Mike …

      • Anonymous

         >>the guys who are in the building every day interacting with the players
        and the organization and writing about them/represent them to the public
        every day still have to have a significant impact on the whole thing.

        I guess to the extent that you believe that then you ought to believe it’s one of the coaches jobs to curry favor with these critical tribunes of the people, however falsely they may need to do it. The Belichick guys notoriously scant the press. I personally have no problem with that because I think the press makes about as much difference to a team’s football success as does my aunt Mildred’s hangnail. But if you’re right, and you need a great press-team relationship to win, then who are you really indicting here?

        • Anonymous

          “I guess to the extent that you believe that then you ought to believe
          it’s one of the coaches jobs to curry favor with these critical tribunes
          of the people, however falsely they may need to do it.”

          Not at all, and that doesn’t follow at all. The coach’s job is to coach football. The relationship doesn’t have to be “great,” but there’s little to nothing he can do if the press that covers his team is dominated by an unchecked troop of stunted half-wits. The editors bear responsibility too, of course, as does the public that tolerates it.

          If there’s a better explanation for how one NFL franchise could be so shitty for long, nobody’s put it forth here. You could point to the owner but I’d just say fine, that could be an explanation that’s equally as good, but anyway, he’s had a lot of help.

          Your continued bizarre insistence that one group of people wouldn’t be significantly impacted by the behavior of another group of people with whom they interact every day, their conduit to The People, continues to alarm and disappoint. It’s inconsistent with pretty much everything else you write here. Snap out of it.

          • Anonymous

            Let me add that there’s no bigger asshole than “anonymous like button pusher” and you should note how much easier you make things on him with your sociopathy.

      • Anonymous

        it really is laughable to me that you’re giving as much credit as you are to Grossi, or Mary Kay Cabot, or Marla Ridnour or anyone else in the Cleveland media which couldn’t put a flame to what Mangini had to go through in NYC

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  • Clevezirm

    I’m late to the party here, but I thought I’d chime in anyway. Toni Grossi is a hack, and this whole “let’s put Grossi and Mary Kay Cabot on Training Camp Daily and let them voice their opinions but then expect them to be unbiased newspaper reporters on the same day” weirds me out. But even if Grossi is cherry picking quotes that fit the tone of his story, it does seem as if there are a lot of Browns players who really like what Shurmur is doing. Could this be the excitement of a new regime? Sure. Could this be because all the offensive players are getting a lot more one on one time from their head coach? Maybe. I liked Mangini a lot but I get the feeling that there were still parts of him in the locker room and on the field that we didn’t see that some players just weren’t too fond of. It’s hard to take what Grossi writes as reality, but there have been a lot of quotes from players about how great training camp has been.

    But honestly, how Grossi is allowed to put stuff like “Touchdowns in the end zone embolden a football team” and “Shurmur doesn’t play for field goals, unlike some other coaches we’ve had” is beyond me. He has no fear of dropping editorial comments into his stories and that’s a serious, serious problem for a beat writer

    • Anonymous

      Para 1: OK.

      Para 2: I have no problem with a beat reporter also expressing opinion. The problem is when they’re not honest about it. If we didn’t have that problem here I might have more to say about your first paragraph.

  • Brian Sipe

    Highest paid O lineman in the history of the NFL…. WOW!

    • Anonymous

      highest paid left side of the o-line in NFL history too..  $15.6 million on the books this season for Steinbach and Thomas..  good thing Colt is right-handed!  

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  • Drew

    I knew this was coming, and Frowns, you did not disappoint! I especially appreciate the preemptive Mangini apologetic for when the Browns win 8 or more games (hey, they had Chansi Stuckey and a crap O-line, it wasn’t Wonder Boy’s fault!). Never mind that Mangenius is the one who brought in Stuckey as part of the Sanchez trade. But you never let facts get in the way of a good polemic.

    • Anonymous

      Before your trolling privileges are revoked I’ll afford you to the opportunity to explain how the roster isn’t significantly better this year than it was last year; How last year’s injuries meant nothing, how another year of continuity with the same cancer-free core isn’t worth anything, and how another year of top draft picks is worth nothing. Looking forward to it either way.

      • Drew

        The roster is better, the schedule is easier, no question.  This team should win more games. I’m just commenting on  the predictable spin that I expect we’ll be seeing all season long–all good things are due to Mangini laying a foundation of excellence, and everything else is due to Holmgren’s and Shurmer’s incompetence. This includes positive spin on all Mangini pets or draft picks, and a skeptical eye to all Holmgren additions (ie, McCoy).

        As for the “cancer free core”–great move getting rid of Winslow and BE, but how much credit does Mangini get for that when it was such a blindingly obvious move to everyone other than Phil Savage? And any points he gained from pushing them out are lost due to the disastrous 2009 draft class. Yes Frowns, it’s time to acknowledge that his Kokinis power play set this franchise back, and Mangini paid the price for it. 1 productive player in a draft with tons of picks was a real setback, and likely cost him his job.

        • Drew

          And since when did constructive criticism become trolling? If you can’t handle some mild disagreement with your posts, close the comments, or filter them to only allow your echo chamber to post.  Relax man.

          • Anonymous

            It’s not constructive when it’s conclusory, idiotic and wrong. If you’re going to acknowledge that the roster is significantly better this year than it was last year; How last year’s injuries took a profound toll; how another year of continuity with the same cancer-free core and another year of top draft picks will significantly help, then that’s different, and not at all what you wrote the first time.

            “Spin” isn’t “spin” when it’s presented straightforwardly. I couldn’t be more up front about my skepticism toward a regime that did Mangini the way it did, and couldn’t find anything more idiotic than the idea that I have to be as supportive of it as I would have been had it done the right thing.

            And it’s been repeated over and over again about Robiskie and Massaquoi, on the information the team had, and knowing they’d need receivers, who else were they going to pick there? Mangini had been with the Browns for about two months when he had to draft, had never met his players. So I guess it comes down to the Veikune pick, and he got what he deserved, because lord knows nobody else would have been snakebitten after being done like he was done in New York. How incredibly dumb.

          • Drew

            I said the roster is better, not significantly better. They’ve made no significant FA signings, so the improvement is this year’s draft and another year of development from the younger players.  And injuries? Every NFL team has them, and always will. That’s a weak excuse for two years of 10-22.

            And this is exactly what I was saying in my first post–Mangini gets the whitewash for his 2009 draft and everything else, and everything H&H do is subject to extreme skepticism and questioned motives.  The vast majority of talent on the roster exists as a result of H&H, and they deserve the benefit of the doubt more than Mangini, who has now been “done” wrong by two franchises.  A fair observer might conclude that (gasp) perhaps he is the problem.

          • Anonymous

            No, actually, only an idiot would conclude that, or that injuries aren’t actually a fine excuse for two years of 10-22 with the roster the Browns had. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14500300/deposed-mangini-trumpets-browns-progress-has-few-regrets

            Will just add that there’s no reason to assume that the Browns wouldn’t have drafted just as well in ’10 and ’11 had H&H not been on board.

          • Drew

            Wow, you really proved your point that I’m an idiot by linking to a self-serving article based on Mangini’s own assessment of his failed regime.

            On the draft, seriously? Why should you assume they would have had back to back solid drafts regardless, when prior to the H&H era they hadn’t had a decent  draft in 10 years? If Mangini was in charge, I’d assume they would have mucked it up again and stocked up on high character, low talent guys, and 3-4 projects. But the special teams would have been second to none!

          • Anonymous

            That article is a fine summary of true and relevant facts and speaks for itself as to your idiocy.

            As far as “stocking up on high character low talent guys,” there are good reasons to do that in the first year of a long term rebuild of a room that’s as big of a mess as those Browns were. Nevermind Revis, D’Brickashaw, Mangold, etc. Troll hard, bro.

          • Drew

            Not sure what on earth Revis, Mangold and co add to your argument, as those guys were picked by Tannenbaum while Mangini was coach, so he can take zero credit for that.  Remember that your godfather brought in his own hand picked puppet GM, who had a nervous breakdown or was forced out, depending on who you ask. Hence the botched 2009 draft, despite your best efforts to spin it as a success, which directly led to the H&H era, the first time we’ve actually started to turn this thing around and add some real talent.  But in Frownieland, that was the worst thing that ever happened to the Browns, as it interrupted whatever it was that Mangini was “building.”  

            Keep calling me an idiot though. Ad hominem is an indication that you’re making a compelling case.

          • Anonymous

            No, actually, only an idiot would conclude that, or that injuries aren’t actually a fine excuse for two years of 10-22 with the roster the Browns had. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14500300/deposed-mangini-trumpets-browns-progress-has-few-regrets

            Will just add that there’s no reason to assume that the Browns wouldn’t have drafted just as well in ’10 and ’11 had H&H not been on board.

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