Sherrod Brown gets Major League Baseball; Sherrod Brown gets America

by Cleveland Frowns on August 30, 2011

Per Politifact via the Plain Dealer:

“Rooting for the Red Sox is like rooting for the drug companies,” said Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown on August 4th on MSNBC’s Morning Joe program in response to sociopathic taunting by host Joe Scarborough and political analyst Mike Barnicle, formerly of the Boston Globe. “I mean it’s like they have so much money, they buy championships against the working-class, middle-America Cleveland Indians. It’s just the way you are.”

"I'm Sherrod Brown and I'm in the truth business."

With the pharmaceutical industry ranking as fourth-largest in revenues on IndustryWeek’s IW U.S. 500 for 2011 and third in the Fortune 500 ranking of return on revenues for 2009, and with the U.S. being the only country in the civilized world that hasn’t managed to figure out how to implement universal health care, the similarity to the Red Sox is self evident, and related questions about the sociopathy of those in power who countenance the state of affairs are just as serious.

For Brown’s part, “he gave senior citizens free bus rides to Canada to buy prescription drugs at a fraction of their cost in the United States” when he was a Congressman, and “pushed to include prescription drugs in Medicare benefits, to allow the prompt reimportation of cheaper drugs made in the U.S. but sent abroad, and to speed low-cost generic drugs to pharmacy shelves.”

Getting to so clearly see the ills of society-at-large come to infect our national pastimes is part of what makes following sports so much fun. Having Senators who understand this makes it even better. Ohio is totally due for another President, too. Perfect timing.

In other news, it’s a good day for quotes.

“Most people in Amherst thought I was crazy to leave Amherst for Elyria. Their perception of Elyria was not real good. They’re similar to the Willoughbys and Mentors, and think they’re the best.” – Elyria varsity football head coach Kevin Fell

Which is all for today. Hope everyone has a decent one.

  • Anonymous

    i may not agree with a whole lot of Sen. Brown political viewpoints, but i definitely agree with his drug company/MLB correlation..  well done Sherrod!  

    • Anonymous

      I actually watched that interview live, and while I typically disagree with Brown and although it was hardly “sociopathic taunting”,  it was fun to see him put a Boston fan in his place, especially since I cant figure out why hes a Red Sox fan in the first place.

      • Anonymous

        yeah Scarborough is a nice souther boy, not sure why he’s not a Braves fan, but who knows, down there they have very little loyalty to local baseball teams, Red Sox Nation is pretty prevalent down there, even back in the day when they were cursed..  

        re: Barnicle, he’s a Masshole Sox fan thick and thin!  from Woooostah, Mass

        • Anonymous

          Yeah but at least Barnicle is actually from Boston.  

          Although, as far as I know, Scarborough hasnt completely fabricated any stories.  

          Ill call it a wash.

          • http://twitter.com/myronfalwell Nathan Obral

            Why a tool like Barnicle can still have a career just boggles my mind. At least he’s no longer in radio (another Boston talk radio station DOES have a convicted ex-congressman in morning drive, though).

    • EastSideHunky

      Boooooooooo!

  • Anonymous

    btw, i met John Henry a couple weeks ago in Brookline, MA.. he’s building a HUGE mansion next to a family friend’s I was visiting..  tore down an existing 10K+ square foot home to build a 30K’er for his family with his 32 year old wife (he’s 62)..  nice guy actually.. but he def looks and acts like a big pharma CEO!  

    • Anonymous

      Biki,
      John Henry is building a 30k’er mansion?   It makes me want to take up a career in Steel Drivin’ too.

      • Anonymous

        yeah apparently he bought the property for $18million and leveled the entire place to build this new one..  such the life of a commodity trader, he must’ve been good friends with Clarence Beeks

  • http://twitter.com/PheasantPants J.

    Obviously, the Indians will never contend with the payroll of the Red Sox, or a lot of other big market teams, but isn’t it fair to say that part of the reason there is such a great payroll disparity is because this was supposed to be one of the last years of rebuilding? I.e. the payroll will increase substantially when all of this young talent gets their arbitration raises and long term deals.

    I’m confident that the Tribe could have had a much higher payroll this year, if any of the high dollar free agents would have been of any use to them.  Suffice it to say, a team with Hafner and Santana didn’t need Dunn or Martinez.

    • http://twitter.com/PheasantPants J.

      Just a slightly contrarian viewpoint, I guess.  I wouldn’t be opposed to a salary cap in baseball, but probably most teams wouldn’t even spend up to it.

  • Maxfnmloans

    what are the Senators views on beating his wife? Rooting for a Senator who beats his wife is like rooting for the Yankees?

    • Anonymous

      If you have some evidence of spousal abuse, other than a general statement in an affidavit in divorce proceedings about his supposed abusive nature, please provide it.  Otherwise, your comment demonstrates one of the main problems with current political discourse.

    • Anonymous

      Max,
      Have you stopped beating your wife?

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t realize truth was a business.

    • Anonymous

      It is. Unfortunately it’s not booming as it should be, to no fault of Future President Brown.

  • Anonymous

    Brown should watch what he says about drug companies. He will need a job soon (2012) and its not good to bad mouth potential employers.

    As to Universal Health Care, as long as your pushing socialism, we need universal housing, food and clothing first as they are all higher on Maslow’s Hierarchy Of Needs. Of course this will destroy any motivation to work so the system will implode (as all such systems inevitably do – by design).

    • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

      “as long as your pushing socialism

      you’re* pushing socialism.

      Please, as long as you’re posting inflammatory snark about how poor people shouldn’t have access to health care and drugs that they cannot afford, at least grammar check.  We wouldn’t want to mistake you for this guy:

      http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/proud2blib/bad%20spelling/signatjoewilsonrally.jpg

      Thanks.

      • Anonymous

        One man’s “inflammatory snark” is another man’s reasoned argument.

        BTW, who said anything about poor people – my objection is to the “universal” aspect of UHC. I’m all for helping the poor, but why provide “free” health care to everyone? What’s the goal of that?

        • Anonymous

          “I’m all for helping the poor, but why provide “free” health care to everyone? What’s the goal of that?”

          For people to be as free from pain and death as possible.

          • Anonymous

            Nothing is free

          • Anonymous

            Some things are freer than others.

          • Anonymous

            Once something costs one cent, its no longer free in any sense of the term.  

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            I’m sure most people would settle for “affordable”.

          • Anonymous

            Agreed.  And there are many ways to address the rising costs of health care that arent being addressed (tort reform, allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines, etc), and that dont put the burden on the already overtaxed working people.  

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            But the way capitalism works, that wouldn’t stop my health insurance costs from going up 10% per year. That would just allow Healthcare companies to put the difference in their pockets.

          • Anonymous

            Im not sure what a “healthcare company” is, but if you mean “insurance companies” like I said there needs to be changes in the way they do business. 

            And if you dont think legal fees area one of the main causes of increased health care costs, then I dont know what to tell you.

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            I made the correction to healthcare company, my bad.

            Anyhow, there’s no question litigation is certainly a huge part of increased healthcare costs. I don’t understand why people think that tort reform would help our bottom line when there’s no reason for the insurance companies to stop raping the general public.

            I guess what I’m saying is that their bottom line would certainly be helped, but I don’t see any savings getting passed along to anyone else. There’s no reason for them to.

          • Anonymous

            I look at medical records all day, every day for 6 years now.  When I left the hospital I wondered how I would manage to look myself in the mirror while working on behalf of huge drug companies, and was determined to find the truth for innocent victims.

            The ugly truth is that I’ve seen only a tiny handful of cases that are valid, and hundreds that are a joke.  I am completely disheartened by the number of dishonest people that want something for nothing.  Companies are forced to spend a boatload of money (not on me, I work cheap) just in the process of gathering information to even begin to discover what the real story is.  They often settle out of court, not because they are at fault, but because it’ll cost more in the long run to exhaustively work up every case.   Mine, being mostly death cases, are off the charts expensive. 

            To say physicians practice defensive medicine these days is a massive understatement.  They overprescribe because they don’t have time to really work with patients, and the people want a quick fix.  Docs today are in the business of covering their ass – they don’t really have a choice. 

          • Anonymous

            Of course there are frivolous plaintiffs, just like there are shitty health care providers. Of course, there will be folks at the margins who will try to take advantage on either side.

            But even if your “hundreds to a handful” perspective is remotely accurate on the cases you see (which I seriously doubt, especially given the incentives of defense attorneys to blow smoke to their clients about the merits of cases so they can keep collecting fees) and even if your perspective is reflective of the system as a whole, there are good reasons to enforce standards of care and afford plaintiffs the right to discover what might have gone wrong when someone dies or has been seriously harmed under suspicious circumstances. Health care providers (and their insurers) have tremendous advantages over individual plaintiffs (the ability to hire full time nurses like you as experts is only the tip of the iceberg, as is the fact that so many people are too crushed to even think about a lawsuit at such a time). None of which is to mention that the system was designed and has been tweaked over the course of 200 years to ensure that frivolous cases are tossed as early as possible. Yet you don’t even start to make the case that there’s a
            systemic imbalance one way or another.

            Instead you post what reads as a shitty O’Reilly talking points memo that essentially insults every person who’s ever made laws in this country (they all must be idiots who can’t implement a system that approaches fairness), every judge (all of them fools who don’t know how to apply Rule 11, 12(b)(6), and summary judgment standards or otherwise do their jobs), every Plaintiff’s attorney in the country (all crooks, of course), and even the defense bar that pays you, too (why do these morons keep letting their clients get steamrolled by crooks?).

          • Anonymous

            Of course there are frivolous plaintiffs, just like there are shitty health care providers. Of course, there will be folks at the margins who will try to take advantage on either side.

            But even if your “hundreds to a handful” perspective is remotely accurate on the cases you see (which I seriously doubt, especially given the incentives of defense attorneys to blow smoke to their clients about the merits of cases so they can keep collecting fees) and even if your perspective is reflective of the system as a whole, there are good reasons to enforce standards of care and afford plaintiffs the right to discover what might have gone wrong when someone dies or has been seriously harmed under suspicious circumstances. Health care providers (and their insurers) have tremendous advantages over individual plaintiffs (the ability to hire full time nurses like you as experts is only the tip of the iceberg, as is the fact that so many people are too crushed to even think about a lawsuit at such a time). None of which is to mention that the system was designed and has been tweaked over the course of 200 years to ensure that frivolous cases are tossed as early as possible. Yet you don’t even start to make the case that there’s a
            systemic imbalance one way or another.

            Instead you post what reads as a shitty O’Reilly talking points memo that essentially insults every person who’s ever made laws in this country (they all must be idiots who can’t implement a system that approaches fairness), every judge (all of them fools who don’t know how to apply Rule 11, 12(b)(6), and summary judgment standards or otherwise do their jobs), every Plaintiff’s attorney in the country (all crooks, of course), and even the defense bar that pays you, too (why do these morons keep letting their clients get steamrolled by crooks?).

          • Anonymous

            feels a little off-base to go after the witness here.  CLTIL, if i understand her bio, is 20+ years actually in healthcare on the front lines.  her testimony qualifies as expert.

            i may be wrong, but i’m catching a resistance to tort reform.  if so, what’s wrong with a ‘loser pays court costs’ system?  seems like a sensible way to rein in frivolous lawsuits and thus rein in insurance cost which would make healthcare more affordable.

            i expect to hear an argument about restricting civil liberties.. but eventually you need to pick one utopia or the other:  unfettered tort litigation or more affordable healthcare.  why not try (b) if only to break the inertia on this subject.  the one thing all agree on is that current system can be improved so why not try to improve it.  (instead of bitching about it and demonizing the real people work within the existing system.)

          • Anonymous

            I’m not questioning the witness’s qualifications, I’m questioning her objectivity.

            A number of restrictions are already in place specifically for medical malpractice cases. As you note, a loser pays system makes it impossible for legitimate plaintiffs to bring cases. This is america, for christs sake.
            The problem with your ’1 utopia or the other’ argument is that you can’t come up with a good reason that we can’t have both, and we’ve never made a decent effort at trying.

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            “but eventually you need to pick one utopia or the other:  unfettered tort litigation or more affordable healthcare.

            As I mentioned earlier, there is absolutely zero reason to think that insurance companies would lower costs to consumers if they have to pay out less in settlements. I’m not sure where this notion that insurance companies are fair and benevolent comes from.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks Kanicki.  Loved you in Grease, BTW.

          • Anonymous

            Peter, I am not making a case…I’m not a lawyer.  I am telling you what I have seen with my own 2 unbiased eyes.  I can’t speak to defense attorneys as a whole blowing smoke to keep collecting fees, because ours are overburdened and work their asses off to gather the FACTS and present them to our client to do whatever they wish with them. 

            But I do know that I have more work than I know what to do with.  I look at thousand of pages of medical records and summarize them in their entirety.  It’s black and white facts, not some f**king New Yorker opinion article.

            Of course I know there are shitty healthcare providers, and being a non-shitty one myself  I want them to pay for their wrongs… but you need to get your head out of the clouds and realize there’s shitty EVERYBODY out there, not just your so-called victims of big business.

            I just think we all need to hear both sides of the story, that’s all.  Things are not always as they are said to be. 

            You know, before this job I spent 2 years reviewing hundreds of the 9/11 first responders cases.  Firefighter, cops, all the heroes.  That was incredibly draining and difficult.  Also incredibly disheartening as to once again, people going after something that is not warranted.  Outright lying to get a piece of some pie.  I have nothing but respect for these honorable professions, but there’s no honor in deceit.

            If the newspaper says it’s going to be sunny all day, and I look out my door and see a pouring rain, I’m not grabbing my sunglasses.  I’m taking my umbrella. 

            It’s called reality, bub.  You can throw all the vocab you want at me, but I’m taking my umbrella today.

          • Anonymous

            *sorry, I meant shitty EVERYBODY, even your so-called victims of big business.

          • Anonymous

            Heard you the first time. Thx.

          • http://brian23.com Brian

            Another great step would be people refraining from activities that make them sick. A lot of this garbage would be cleaned up if people would just take care of themselves.

      • Anonymous

        Aw, poor guy.  Clearly he was not a beneficiary of our fine education system.

        ….or was he?

        • Anonymous

          I’m pretty sure that’s a literacy joke on that sign.

    • Anonymous

      I’m paraphrasing from the Life and Health class I just took, but the first sentence of the book states that, “Insurance is a social tool where a large group of people participate in order to protect against loss or harm arising in specified contingencies in consideration of a payment proportionate to the risk involved.”

      Basically if you have insurance, you’re a socialist.  Congratulations you are now eligible for the newsletter and our “Up with Miniskirts…I mean Communism pin.”

      • Anonymous

        Except for insurance is a VOLUNTARY institution as to hedge against risk, based upon ones own personal lifestyles and preferences. So really, they’re nothing alike.

        • Anonymous

          COMMUNIST!!!

      • Bryan

        Insurance has nothing to do with socialism. 
         It arises because people dislike risk.  Removing risk can therefore be thought of as a  ”good” that people are willing to pay money in exchange for.  Insurance companies have, thus, formed to provide that good in a manner that creates profits for themselves.   We call the trading of this good “insurance markets.”  Such dynamics only involve socialism if the government attempts to enter that market and become the sole provider of insurance (rather than private industry). Cheers. 

        • Anonymous

          COMMUNIST!!!

        • Anonymous

          A collective decision to pool risk is at some level technically “socialism.”

          • Anonymous

            But its not a collective decision, at all.  Its a single person or organizations decision to provide those who are interested to do so.    

          • Anonymous

            Semantics. It’s a collective decision on the part of everyone involved. If only one person bought insurance, it wouldn’t be available.

          • Anonymous

            No, there no “collective” decision.  There is a person or organization that recognizes there happens to be people who are like minded and might voluntarily want to participate in a program, and they provide an outlet to do so.   The choice to participate in such a program is completely individual.  

            Vastly different than having wages involuntarily revoked.

          • Bryan

            Insurance does not necessarily involve any pooling of risk.  If I want to insure myself against, say,  the risk of gas prices spiking, I can write a contract with a single individual who is willing to take on that risk.  That individual will have provided me insurance.   There does not need to be any pooling.  

          • Anonymous

            As much as it never actually works that way, it would still be a collective decision on the part of the two people who participate. The point is just that anything worth having requires cooperation, which itself requires centralization at some level. The issue is with the regressive demonization of such concepts by way of the word “socialism.”

          • Ronnie James Dio

            C’mon, Frowns. So the gallon of milk you last bought is an act of socialism? 

            I mean, it required the cooperation of you, the buyer, and the helpful cashier, the seller.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks Frowns!  That was exactly my point. 

          • Anonymous

            Yes and it is a voluntary, freely taken decision.

            Some seem to love to use the police power of government to force their wishes on others. I don’t get it. I don’t care how they live their life, why do they feel so compelled to force me to live according to their grand design.

    • Anonymous

      LOL Maslow, the wizard before whom all US law and policy bends.

      FWIW, being free from pain and death is generally a lot more important to me than having a house, food, and clothing.

      • Anonymous

        You can’t be serious.

        • Anonymous

          Because a lack of housing, food, and clothing pretty much leads to pain and death…but it doesn’t sound quite as melodramatic. 

          • Anonymous

            Because people who have houses, clothes and food never need medical attention. How keyed up on bankrupt ideology does someone have to be to post something so incredibly dumb? Please wake up.

          • Anonymous

            Thank you for that self-edit….much better.  Makes me think there’s hope for you yet, Frownie!

    • Anonymous

      Right. Because we all know that “Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs” is really just like super totally applicable to the issue of whether our current system of medical care delivery makes our country better or worse.

      The only people who like our system are ones who get subsidized insurance but think and act like they don’t. Cough cough.

    • Anonymous

      it’s also worth noting that there is a very strong argument that we would have had universal healthcare as early as 1917 had we not declared war against Germany – a bill providing for universal medical coverage was pending in Congress in 1916 (the bill was also put forward in 16 states) – but after we entered WWI that became the primary political concern and the bill died.  #historymajor 

    • http://brian23.com Brian

      This is not true, but we are far from a time when it’s possible yet. 

      Once food, health care and energy are dirt cheap, there is a possibility for a baseline “living/surviving wage” for everyone to be lazy with, and those who want to excel can and will. Should be our time of greatest achievement, since all the lazy people can stop trying to bleed from those who aren’t. 

      “Here’s your food and housing and genetically engineered health, now let the rest of us go actually do something while you watch ‘The Best of Maury’.”

      Hopefully by 2100 if the politicians don’t stop it from happening, which they may.

      • Anonymous

        This is right on. There’s nothing dumber than the idea that people will stop wanting to do good things just because they are given free things.

  • Brian Sipe

    Sherrod kicks butt… best Senator in years for us in Ohio

    • Anonymous

      like a million times

  • Anonymous

    That whiskey is looking pretty good right about now.

  • eldaveablo

    Great post – I love when sports make such perfect metaphors. 

    Also, LOVE the quote/shout-out to good old E-Town. Can’t remember the last time I read an article about Elyria that didn’t include something to be completely embarrassed about. 

    • Anonymous

      i met jerry lee lewis’ ex-wife at uncle vic’s.
      /elyria /represent

      • eldaveablo

        Uncle Vic’s now THAT is a blast from the past. 

    • Anonymous

      That quote was the most baller thing I’ve read in awhile and the opposite of something to be embarrassed about.

      • eldaveablo

        Seriously. I wish this guy was coach when I went to EHS. 

        • Anonymous

          did you guys play smoke midview when you played?
          when i was a middie we only rated highly enough to have our asses handed to us by EC once a year.

  • Anonymous

    thanks for this, frownie.

    and thanks for everything you do too, sherrod. 

  • Anonymous

    >>why provide “free” health care to everyone? What’s the goal of that?
    The point (aside from the obvious) is that you don’t have social dislocation, bankruptcy, and a whole host of economic inefficiency because of the vagaries of nature. The point is that it’s more humane, more economically efficient, people like it, and society works better. 

    I love how a lot of you guys standing in the way of doing something sensible first of all have a great healthcare plan heavily subsidized by the rest of us (medicare), and second of all act like this is some great experiment in Kantian ethics or great philosophical clash. Note to “well reasoned objector:” Every decent country on the face of the Earth does this except for the U.S. and most have for a very long time.

    I currently run a small company that keeps me pretty well fed, but I can tell you that thanks to shenanagans between my former employer and insurance company and a tricky little staph infection on an eighteen-month-old butt, I came within a couple twists of fate from bankruptcy and total inability to fund and start that company. That is simply stupid. You will never convince me that a system where you can run up a hundred thousand dollars in costs for a hospital room, some pretty standard drugs, and maybe 30 total hours of people’s labor is working. This system works for you until it doesn’t, and then you realize it’s rotten to the core. Keep on speaking up for it though…I mean, anything else would be tyranny, right?

    • Anonymous

      “You will never convince me that a system where you can run up a hundred thousand dollars in costs for a hospital room, some pretty standard drugs, and maybe 30 total hours of people’s labor is working. ”

      First of all, whats a “hospital room”?  Are you talking about an emergency room?  An operating room?  The recovery floor?  The ICU?  The waiting room? The lobby?  What exactly is this “hospital room” you speak of?  

      Also, what exactly are these “pretty standard” drugs you are referring to?  Are you referring to the anesthesia medicine?  The narcotics?  The anti inflammatory drugs? The disinfectants?  And what seperates a “pretty standard” drug from a “standard” drug, or otherwise?  Whats the medicinal difference?  Whats the difference in the cost of bringing it to market?  

      And where did you get the 30 hours from?  And why are those people not working?   And how many different people are involved in the care?  And for how long?  Do you know how much schooling these people intrusted with the care went through in order to receive certification in order to care for this eighteen month old butt?  Do you know their legal liabilities for the care?  Or how much those cost?

      • Anonymous

        Oh good lord, every other decent country on the face of the Earth has managed to figure it out.

        • Anonymous

          My point is that the issue is incredibly complex and its far to simplistic to essentially just say, “I took my child to a building and some folks fixed a medical condition I know nothing about by cutting him open and giving him some things to swallow.  But the system doesnt work cause I think the bill is too high.”

          • Anonymous

            The fact that every other decent country on the face of the earth has managed to figure it out strongly suggests that you’re wrong.

          • Anonymous

            The fact that every other decent country on the face of the earth has managed to figure it out strongly suggests that you’re wrong.

          • Anonymous

            Yes they’ve “figured out” how to implement universal healthcare. I’ll agree to disagree its an appropriate or effective solution.

    • Anonymous

      really good read at the new yorker re: universal healthcare and when/if/why we will/won’t ever get it in the u.s., and why we should take a pragmatic, rather than idealistic/overly politicized approach to fixing the healthcare system we have in place:

      http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/01/26/090126fa_fact_gawande

  • Anonymous
    • Anonymous

      Wow I thought for sure it would be a hot dog, the world’s most dangerous food.  (Not counting the Happy Meal, of course.) 

      Luckily there usually is someone around with a cool head to take care of something as simple as that.  I think a lot of people know what the Heimlich is, but they lock up when they see someone turning colors. 

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