Browns Get Done by Pee Wee Trick, Take Affirmative Lead in Suck for Luck Sweepstakes

by Cleveland Frowns on September 12, 2011

“Bengals running back Cedric Benson said ‘the play is designed to catch them napping and we caught them napping.’”

Sleepy.

And all we can really do this morning is hand it to the Browns press. If they’ve been telling us anything at all since camp opened, it’s that Pat Shurmur is the exact opposite of Eric Mangini. Whatever else you can say about what the Browns would have looked like yesterday if they’d been kicking off year three of the Mangini regime, one thing the Browns never did under the former coach was lose as 6-plus favorites. In fact, the Browns only lost as favorites once under Mangini (when the Seneca Wallace-led Cleveland team amazingly weighed in as two-point chalk to the eventual AFC West champion Chiefs in Week 2 last season), which is water long under the bridge now, of course. So how many more points would the Browns have been favored by if we’d known in advance that Bruce Gradkowski would be taking the snaps for the Bengals in the second half?

Who knows, but we’re marking our calendar hard for October 23, because after going down to the Niners yesterday (who were 1-15 in converting third downs), the Seahawks are the only other team in the discussion for “who lost to the worst team in Week 1.” We can at least feel better that Seattle had 11 penalties for 72 yards exactly like the Browns did, and the Niners racked up 102 penalty yards on just nine flags themselves. (Efficient!) But the Seahawks lost on the road, not to a team that replaced their starting rookie quarterback with Bruce Gradowkski, and not on a grade school pee-wee league trick, so we have to call the Browns the affirmative leaders of the Suck for Luck sweepstakes after Week 2.

Of course, after taking a 34-7 thrashing at the hands of the Texans, the Peyton Manning-less Colts are frontrunners as well, and the Browns really couldn’t ask for a better team to try to bounce back against next week (as much as folks in Indy are probably saying the same thing about the Colts).

Shurmur said the Bengals cheated on the winning touchdown pass; that he didn’t call a timeout “because [he] didn’t anticipate that the ball was going to get snapped.” The coach added that “my understanding is when the offense changes personnel, the defense is allowed to do so as well and have time to do it. We’ll all see if that actually happened.” As much as it won’t change the outcome, we can only hope Shurmur is right, or the finger pointing comes off as an especially bad look. But either way, couldn’t he have thrown a challenge flag wouldn’t the replay officials have caught it in their mandatory review? Wouldn’t that be exactly what they’d have been looking for on a play like that?

Soooo sleeeeeepy ...

Anyway, the Bengals defense really didn’t look terrible (the defensive line looked stout, long and athletic, and Leon Hall, Nate Clements, Chris Crocker and Reggie Nelson really isn’t a shoddy secondary), but both Browns touchdowns came as a result of long passes on rollouts to wide open receivers (Ben Watson and Mohammed Massaquoi) where Cinci’s coverage was completely blown; probably not a sustainable model for success. Additionally, both of those balls were technically underthrown, though you do want to err on the side of underthrowing when your receiver doesn’t have a man within a mile of him.

D’Qwell Jackson was a monster, with 11 tackles and 2 sacks. Joe Haden turned in a dominating performance as well (assuming the Green catch goes on the coaching staff and not on Joe). Minus the 40-yard Cedric Benson touchdown run that broke the game open, and three or so times when tight end Jermaine Gresham beat T.J. Ward (Tight ends! Still with the Tight ends!), the Bengals really couldn’t get anything going on offense at all, though we’re nervous about what might happen against a team with a non-rookie/non-Gradkowski QB that plays more proficient pitch and catch with the wideouts.

But however underrated(?) the Bengals might have been coming into this one, shortened training camp (why sit the starters in the preseason finale?), rookie head coach, new systems, growing pains, and all that, Bud Shaw has to be right that “the Browns have been overmatched at times and even outcoached before, but never have they looked as disorganized against such a beatable opponent on the day of their unveiling.” Given the history here, we’re talking about a hell of a lot to swallow. It’s a long season, but can we really say that something like yesterday was just what these guys needed to wake them up?

A hell of a lot of bouncing back to do in Indy next week, where the early line has the Browns as 2.5 point favorites.

  • Anonymous

    Kind of starting to wish I wasn’t right about culture changing overnight.

    Couldn’t hate the 1st and goal from the 4 calls any worse than I do. By the numbers, fades at the 3 yard line are marginal calls on extra points, and just moronic on 2nd and 3rd down.

    >>>But either way, couldn’t he have thrown a challenge flag? Why not?>>

    Nope. Because this year, every scoring play is already reviewed…although for what is hard to say. If I’m not mistaken, someone threw the challenge on a TD in preseason and got flagged 15 yards for it. That rule is a total mess. The coaches have no chance to say what they thought was wrong, and it’s unlikely the replay official would be looking at anything procedural. But it really doesn’t matter. That was total, utter, bush-league nonsense and exhibit A for the proposition that the Mangini/Ryan influence has indeed evaporated instantly.

    • Anonymous

      I guess if you take a wrecking ball hard enough to culture you can get somewhere. Amazing.

      Good call on the rule change, too. Was in the stands yesterday, forgot about that one. Though it seems to me that such a procedural issue would be exactly what the replay officials would be looking at on such a funny play.

      • Anonymous

        They refuse to explain what they automatically review. Apparently everything, or nothing, or somewhere in between– possibly as Budweiser and Ford dictate. 

        There were scores with 0 controversy that got reviewed a full 90 seconds, others 15 seconds. They seems to be shortening it in reaction to fan anger or advertiser angst, but now it’s possible that they’ve effectively taken more complex situations like this completely out of the review process…but only if it results in a touchdown. All this goodness while extending the total time we are subject to review delay. It’s moronic. Whoa nelly am I mad today.

    • Anonymous

      “the Mangini/Ryan influence has indeed evaporated instantly”

      Right!

      Mangini’s teams may have lacked talent but they were always disciplined, well prepared & played very hard. I didn’t see any of that yesterday, in fact I saw quite the opposite (i.e., undisciplined, unprepared & played soft when it mattered most).

      The O line is a major concern. Last year we had one weak link (St Clair). This year we have holes at LG, RG & RT.  McCoy will get mauled with this group & Hillis will be ineffective.

      • Anonymous

        i think in general the timing is going to be a lil off with how little these guys have played together..  but we only gave up 2 sacks so i’m not overly concerned about the o-line as long as we don’t continue to lose guys to injury.   (FYI, we got 4 sacks, 2nd highest in the NFL)

        • Anonymous

          Does deserve mention that the d-line was a bright spot, although it appears Sheard may be a 1 trick pony.

  • Anonymous

    how does not one of the 11 guys on the field, including Fujita, not to mention any of the coaches on the sideline call a timeout??? ,ahem Pat Shurmur, why on earth would you leave it in the hands of the refs.. time after time after time you see teams call timeouts when they are not in the right formation..  but as ceddy said, they caught the entire Browns team and staff napping.. wow, what a way to lose the game..  brutal

    as i posted yesterday, it was like playing Madden and accidentally hitting the player change button and moving the defender completely off his dude leaving him wide the f open for no damn reason.    ugh

  • George

    Pete, this loss isa great omen fo rthe Browns.  Remember that the last time the Browns made the playoffs was the year Dwayne Rudd lost the game by throwing his helmet after the last play.  Similar losses on similarly idiotic Browns bulunders.  Maybe this start will lead to a similar opportunity to make the playoffs.  We need to take this event with a glass half full approach.  Not an excuse, but I would like to point out that in addition to the Browns, the Steelers, Falcons, Giants, Chiefs, and Cowboys all appear to have been equally unprepared to start the season.  Week 2 will be very telling.

    - George

    • Anonymous

      That’s nice to remember about Rudd, but were those Chiefs as bad as these Bengals? And wouldn’t you much rather be able to blame this one on one player breaking a semi-obscure rule? I dunno.

    • Jaceczko

      …or maybe it will lead to us playing IN PITTSBURGH instead of in Cleveland in the wild card round, and giving up a double-digit second-half lead.

      Thanks, though, for reminding me of Kelly Holcomb’s entertaining-as-hell shootout. What a great game that was. Didn’t it just feel like someone opened your bowels with a sword and your intestines spilled out onto your lap when De-No couldn’t get out of bounds on that last play? (through no fault of his own, of course; there simply wasn’t enough time left to do what we needed)

  • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

    So we have what, another 47 games to go before the start of a new regime?

    • Jaceczko

      More like 31.

      I tell you what, though: if the Browns fire Pat Shurmur before his contract is up, my head will explode. 

      And I will not let the Cleveland Browns have another cent out of my pocket to pay off fired coaches who weren’t allowed to do the job they were hired to do.

  • coachie ballgames

    You can’t spell schmoo w/o Shurmur.

    If this team performs as somnolently the rest of the way, maybe, in the tradition of great team nicknames like the Kardiac Kids, we can call them Shurmur’s Murmurs. 

  • Anonymous

    I will be honest and say that despite the warts, the ONE thing that Mangini teams have always been known for is discipline.   No way they get whistled for 10 penalties in the first half much less get caught napping on a quick snap. 

    FWIW…Haden could have been all over Green…the receiver on the other end of the formation was also streaking down the field wide open.

    Comparisons to his predecessor aside, I felt that the Browns had this game lost with about 10 minutes to go as Shurmur went into a shell offensively.  This was a rap against him in St. Louis.  Does anyone recall the wildcard against Seattle when he –oops!– forgot he had Steven Jackson as his workhorse tailback and oh, BTW, Seattle had a horrible run defense?  How many 3 yard routes can you call in a row Pat?

    Let’s not put it all on Shurmur though.   How many McCoy passes were dropped in the fourth quarter?  One that comes to mind is Little on the slant.

    • The Cuuuuuuuuuuugs

      Exactly Rod. The penalties limited the Browns playbook and allowed the Bengals the luxury of blitzing and teeing off on the receivers and Colt. Shanked punts aren’t so bad when you’re punting from the 35 or 40, but when you’re back on your 15 or 20, they kill you.

      Lack of discipline cost the Browns this one. Let’s hope Coach goes hard on them this week in practice.

    • Anonymous

      Hated the offensive play calling, especially in the second half. They went neither with what had worked, nor with our strength, nor with numbers. Totally disappointing.

      A couple drops, but nothing really substantial in my mind. Colt looked bad to me. I actually thought this was his worst game, though a big part of that is the line.

    • Anonymous

      shurmur was last in the league in yards per catch last year.  and yes, he was 2-14 in third down converts with ~180 total yards in his playoff game last year.  that’s his record.  it’s who he is.  

      what continues to bother me are the puffy/MKC pieces that report what a ‘great job’ he did developing sam bradford last year.  um.. no not really.  seems like this here site is the only media source not subject to shurmur’s jedi tricks.

      • zarathustra

        Those stats are very revealing.
        Last week wsj has an article stating that yards per pass attempt is the single most important stat in football as it reveals the winning team
        over 80% of the time.

      • Anonymous

        Absolutely agree Jim re: MKC.   I’ve watched a lot of Sam Bradford games since he was a collegian.  Sam Bradford did more for Pat Shurmur than the other way ’round.

    • Jaceczko

      Yes, Peyton Hillis’s carries total (17) disguise the way he was neglected during the game.

  • Anonymous

    At least I’ll be getting a bunch of stuff done around the house on Sundays, instead of wasting my time watching a team that looks to give the 99′ Browns a run for their money.  When is this seasons first meeting between Dawg Pound Mike and Lerner?  I think I might try and sit in.

    • Anonymous

      we only score more than 17 FIVE times the ENTIRE season last year..  not saying we’re the kardiac kids but we looked pretty good at times out there against one of the better defenses in the league.   it wasn’t enough to win, but being it’s the first game of a shortened offseason, we showed some flashes of being a pretty good offense..   hopefully we get back on track next week..  

      • Anonymous

        Get that weak stuff outta here, young man. The second half offense was as bad as anything we’ve seen in a long time.

        • Anonymous

          The first quarter offense really wasn’t so hot either.

          • Anonymous

            I’m giving something of a pass on the start just because the penalties and shanks and whatnot totally undermined anything you’d want to do there. But yeah, ultimately that’s all part of it…just really really bad signs all over the place.

          • Anonymous

            bad signs and in spite of it all, if a play that rarely if ever happens in the NFL, where the offense gets the play off with a wide freakin open WR, then we are 1-0 which makes swallowing the growing pains of a new regime, shortened offseason, etc that much easier..   i mean really, let’s be real here, that play shouldnt have have happened but it is what it is and let’s see how they respond on Sunday..

      • Jaceczko

        Sometimes, BIKI, you need to recognize that it’s OK to agree with the consensus opinion about something.

        EVERY question in the world is not open to relativistic takes.

        • Anonymous

          buddy, i have 15K on the Browns winning 7 games, i could care less about consensus and relativistic takes..  i watched a little of every football game yesterday, rarely did any teams play their best games, penalties galore in many of them..  a horrible game is a game that you are not in from the start, pick 6′s, costly turnovers, etc..  sure the penalties sucked, but we dug ourselves a hole, fought our way back and held on till the last 4:30 of the game..  and then a collective brainfart by not calling a timeout and gave them the easiest play in the world leads us to being 0-1 instead of 1-0..   those are the breaks in the NFL, hopefully we get some coming our way, but otherwise i liked the effort the guys put out there for the most part, looking forward to what they got against the Colts.. 

          • Jaceczko

            Sigh…

  • Anonymous

    Regardless of whether or not the officials botched that call, Its a bad look for Shurmur to publicly question the officiating rather than just hold himself and his players accountable.

    • Anonymous

      And just think of how much venom Grossi and his ilk would be spitting if Mangini would have questioned the officiating like this (not that a Mangini-led team would have been caught with their pants down like this. We all know he preaches smart, disciplined football, or he would have been screaming for a timeout, but suspend your disbelief for a moment). “You’re not going to pull the same shit here.”

      • Anonymous

        Oh yes….Grossi would have crucified Mangini but then again, Mangini’s response would have been “I’m the head coach.  I’m paid to know how the subsitutions work”.

        • Anonymous

          He actually crucified Shurmur about as bad as you could. I just listened to his podcast. Folks here are as obsessed with horsefish as horsefish was with Mangini.

        • Anonymous

          He actually crucified Shurmur about as bad as you could. I just listened to his podcast. Folks here are as obsessed with horsefish as horsefish was with Mangini.

  • Jim

    One of those balls thrown to a wide open receiver was a great throw by McCoy. He was being dragged down from behind when he let it fly.

    Terrible loss though. I went to a bar to watch the game believing (incorrectly) that I would have one or two beers. I ended up having to be driven home by a pissed off fiance.  Now I’m at work hungover and even angrier after reading Shurmur’s excuse for the TD to Green (also note that the Browns had 12 men on the field on that play).

    • Anonymous

      Actually if they had 12 men on the field, that makes Shurmur’s case, since the rule is that the offense has to allow the defense time to correctly sub. That’s actually exactly what the rule is about, although it’s unclear whether simply not flagging the 12 men is considered sufficient… it’s a judgement call kind of rule.

  • Anonymous

    The explanation by Shurmur is just mind boggling. You blame the officials and state that you basically thought the Bengals would wait for you. That makes me feel much better. The Colts are going to try this next week at some point. I hope that one of the players calls a time out because it is apparent the coaches are sleepy. Mangini has to be in tears laughing over yesterday. 

    • Anonymous

      It’s not mind boggling. Maybe a little weak-ish, but it is true that IF the Bengals substituted, and IF the Browns were not subbed to 11 men and allowed time to run out to their coverage, the refs screwed the pooch by not running in and holding the snap. That is a rule and comes into play all the time…it’s why you see a ref in standing over the ball or delaying setting it down a lot on hurryup situations. Apparently though CBS flubbed it too, so we can’t even get a replay.

      My bottom line is 3rd quarter we’re 1st and goal from the 4, already up, against a really bad offensive team. That’s where I stop listening to excuses, however potentially valid.

      • Anonymous

        I agree with you. The problem is that after one IF someone needs to call timeout. I just hate the fact that we are 1st and goal from the 4 and I did not see Hillis over left tackle 4 straight times. 

        • Anonymous

          >>>The problem is that after one IF someone needs to call timeout.>>

          Probably true, at the same time it’s hard to say where you call it. If you’re running subs and the other guys are clearly not allowed to snap the ball, are you really going to burn timeouts as insurance against the refs burning you?But thanks to CBS, we really have no clear idea what was happening here, so it’s hard to say 100%.

          >>I just hate the fact that we are 1st and goal from the 4 and I did not see Hillis over left tackle 4 straight times.>>

          Amen. The odds of that working directly are very high, and if it fails, you’ve left the other guys on the 2 which ultimately results in you getting at least the next 3 points over 75% of the time anyway. The vague innumeracy of the previous regime continues, with the general competence of Ronald McDonald thrown in just to make things more interesting.

  • http://bryanjoiner.com/ Bryan Joiner

    Shurmur knows about ties, right?

  • Bandit

    Whats most amazing is this team has 3 former head coaches in the ranks, and still was able to put 10 penalties up in the first half, 7 of which came in the first quarter. Seems like we might have wanted to pick up an offensive lineman or two early in the preseason, although the three false starts did belong to Shaun L (2) and Joe T (1). Were was this wealth of coaching knowledge Sunday?

    • Anonymous

      penalties hurt us, but the game was lost on that AJ Green play, come on now people.. 

      • Anonymous

        The AJ Green play was a symptom not a cause. They lost because they were unprepared, undisciplined & played soft down the stretch.

      • Brian Sipe

        that and almost no first downs in the 4th quarter.  gotta be able to run the ball and take control while leading

        • Anonymous

          yes, we weren’t a well oiled machine in the first game back off of shortened offseason in a brand new system.  but good lord at least line up against the other team?  don’t lose by leaving a guy wide the F open??   yes of course if we got more first downs in the 4th quarter and scored a touchdown then the bonehead play by everyone on the sidelines and on the field wouldn’t be such a big deal, but i just can’t accept that we lost fair and square to those guys.  they stole one, but it all ends up the same in the win/loss column, i’m just not as discouraged as the majority of you seem to be.  i saw a lot of good things on both sides of the ball to be excited about next week..  

          • Jaceczko

            “yes, we weren’t a well oiled machine in the first game back off of shortened offseason in a brand new system.”
            Really? What changed from last season, when we were the 3rd-least penalized team in the NFL for the second consecutive season? 

            I thought we had “continuity”. 

            What was the big change that caused this? Mostly same personnel, right? Same president? Same GM?

        • Anonymous

          Yes – run the clock down some at that point, jeez oh man.  New team name:  The Cleveland Clockstoppers.

  • Anonymous

    I had to walk away toward the end of the first quarter, so I started pounding chicken cutlets …they looked like crepes when I was done with them.

    My worry is the doubt factor that the players now carry.  There’s no getting around a lack of confidence in the coaching staff.

    • coachie ballgames

      talk about turning lemons into lemonade! this could be a new feature, awesome recipes to make during games. 

      • http://bryanjoiner.com/ Bryan Joiner

        PETE’S ZA
        (Akron-style pizza)

        Ingredients:
        One (1) can, pizza dough
        One (1) can, tomato sauce
        One (1) lamb, live
        Four (4) balls, fresh mozz
        One (1) Cleveland Browns football game
        One (1) phone

        Directions:
        1. Watch the game
        2. Knead dough into rectangle
        3. When game goes south, put dough over television
        4. Chug the tomato sauce
        5. Throw mozz balls at TV speakers
        6. Hug lamb
        7. Call for pizza

  • Zulads4

    This loss falls squarely on the coaching staff.  The team was not prepared to pay the game.  How does a professional football team, with players and coaches who are payed to solely prepare and pay football games not be ready to play a professional football game that has been scheduled for six months?

    Positives:

    - Cribbs is healthy.
    - Greg Little makes the game saving tackle! (Too bad it was on his own man who had a clear shot at the endzone.
    - We have found a new way to lose.
    - Montario Hardesty looks healthy.
    - By the fourth quarter, Shawn Lauvao had gotten the snap count down (good for him)
    - We found John St. Clair 2.0!!!
    - We have the WEST COAST OFFENSE!!!

    Negatives:

    - We have the WEST COAST OFFENSE!!!
    - Due to the awesome, super duper, high flying, west coast offense, we can no longer run the ball.
    - Colt McCoy thinks Alex Mack’s helmet is a receiver.

    I cannot be a fan of this team anymore.  Pat Shurmur should have been fired on the spot for that debacle.  We replaced a competent coach and hard nosed team with one that couldnt lined up if their life depended on it.

     I have too much stress in my life (work law school, etc.) to be devoting my time to a joke of a football team.  I wish everyone else luck this year, but I cannot and will not watch anymore terrible football.

    Frowns you were right all along, and I apologize for doubting you.

    • Anonymous

      I’m pissed too but that’s a little knee-jerky. Teams lay eggs. There are some really bad signs here, but one game is one game, and not to go with Shurmur’s jedi tricks, but the real measure of this thing will be how they respond to their mistakes.

    • Anonymous

      This seems a little extreme.

      • Zulads4

        Call it extreme, but I refuse to give my time or money to watching a team that simply cannot get out of its own way.  There are better things to do than watch bad football.

    • Anonymous

      This seems a little extreme.

    • Dubbythe1

      >>Colt McCoy thinks Alex Mack’s helmet is a receiver.<<

      this made me chuckle

  • Brian Sipe

    Why was there not more action for Mo Mass.  Please stop with Cribbs at wide out.  McCoy looked horrible.  Shurmar cannot coach and be O cord….  Penalties were everywhere…. team looked flat and confused….

    …and quote of the day from Grossi… “Mangini would have not done any better”  he has such a Mangini complex…. he knows he started the run Mangini talk and therefore rips him whenever possible

    • Anonymous

      McCoy looked horrible??  sure didn’t look horrible going on a 17-0 comeback and game leading run but i guess those plays don’t count..  i’m sure there were some balls he could’ve thrown better, but i think he surprised a lot of the haters out with his throw on the run to MoMass, that was pretty sweet and plays like that are the reason a lot of people believe in this kid..  
      yes there were penalties, mainly in 1st half while the team settled down.. there are quite a few new guys on this squad, and with you know that lockout and all, i’m sure the chemistry is going to take some time..  hell, even teams that have “chemistry” looked way worse than the Brownies did.. 

      • Brian Sipe

        none of those teams played the Bungles at home….

        • Anonymous

          ok, well i guess the season is over then.. might as well not even watch them play another game..  

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            In what world is a 47.5% completion rate not “horrible”?

            You mention one good quarter that he had, but not the 3 horrible ones he had. When people criticize his poor play, you simply suggest that they shouldn’t watch anymore games instead. So people shouldn’t talk about the bad stuff?

          • Anonymous

            i wasn’t talking to you was i??  

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            If you don’t want people to call you out on your bullshit, send it out via email.

          • Anonymous

            call me out on what??  because i said Colt was not “horrible”???  he wasn’t horrible, i don’t care what the completion percentage was.. there are a lot of other moving parts to that as i’m sure you know..  but he showed me enough to still believe in him as these guys all get used to each other.  MoMass has barely any reps with Colt yet they sure made a few good plays together, hopefully that is a sign of more to come..   but i guess there isn’t supposed to be any growing pains with this new system and young QB..  BOTTOM LINE:  we should’ve won the game in spite of him and YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.   he didn’t throw any pick 6′s, he didn’t have any costly turnovers until the game was over, and he fought like heck to get us back in the game and led us on a 17-0 run, so why on earth do i have to agree with Sipe that Colt was horrible?  it’s a public forum right??  

          • Anonymous

            Colt did what he could under the circumstances, I thought.

          • Anonymous

            I thought it was overall maybe his worst or second worst game as a Brown, all things considered…but that’s probably just because I’m pretty high on him. But a lot of it was on the o-line. Things are hard when your line loses.

          • Anonymous

            Right.  I have to watch it again this week, but obviously the distractions on his side of the ball had a lot to do with his sub-par performance.  In my mind, he is still a rookie. 

            Those newest guys on the o-line just got off the plane, so a couple weeks hopefully will make a difference.  Guys having to worry about the guy next to them can’t be nearly as effective.  That’s where it all starts – fingers crossed for a decent offensive line this year.

            I really hope Marecic gets it together.  His mom works for a friend of ours  out there in Portland, who can’t say enough about the kid. 

          • Anonymous

            It’s been a surprise to me that a high grade point average guy like that is having trouble with assignments and spacing. The reports on him coming out were great–hopefully he has a real desire to play in the NFL…that’s what I begin to wonder about. He may be too smart for his own good at that position…It takes a special kind of personality to put in a ton of work just to be the guy who successfully absorbs the blitzing linebacker or pancakes the end on the goal line so someone else can score.

          • Anonymous

            He graduated from Jesuit HS in Oregon - Hopefully the ‘Men For Others’ stuck.

          • Anonymous

            a lot of QB’s looked horrible yesterday, plenty of them..  my thing is that in spite of all of that, we lost on a stupid bonehead brainfart by anyone affiliated with the Cleveland Browns yesterday and I don’t agree with picking Colt apart after his 1st start in the new system in a shortened offseason.  

            at least Matty Ice looked horrible too, let’s have a 4-12 season Falcons!  

          • Brian Sipe

            that would be great… we get their #1 pick

          • Brian Sipe

            that would be great… we get their #1 pick

          • Anonymous

            a lot of QB’s looked horrible yesterday, plenty of them..  my thing is that in spite of all of that, we lost on a stupid bonehead brainfart by anyone affiliated with the Cleveland Browns yesterday and I don’t agree with picking Colt apart after his 1st start in the new system in a shortened offseason.  

            at least Matty Ice looked horrible too, let’s have a 4-12 season Falcons!  

          • Brian Sipe

            and one of those completions was to himself so he really had a 43%

          • Brian Sipe

            and one of those completions was to himself so he really had a 43%

    • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

      In all fairness, I was trolling him a little when I sent that question to him. I was doubly shocked when he actually replied to me, and was serious about it.

    • Anonymous

      >>>…and quote of the day from Grossi… “Mangini would have not done any better” >>>

      Wow. Just wow.

    • Anonymous

      omg, will you get over the “run Mangini talk”, he is Tony freakin Grossi, what control do you think he has with ANYTHING Holmgren or Heckert do????   ZERO!  

      and now he rips on Shurmur on this one, so is he already on a mission to run him out too??   the guy has been around losing teams for 30 years! 

    • Anonymous

      omg, will you get over the “run Mangini talk”, he is Tony freakin Grossi, what control do you think he has with ANYTHING Holmgren or Heckert do????   ZERO!  

      and now he rips on Shurmur on this one, so is he already on a mission to run him out too??   the guy has been around losing teams for 30 years! 

  • Anonymous

    Hey since my last contest was too controversial, how about trying your hand at this one. The following was produced during the 3rd quarter of yesterday’s game. Is it

    A) Pat Shurmur’s goal line play diagram for Cribbs on 3rd down, or it’s functional equivalent
    B) A 5 year old girl’s interpretation of the game
    C) All of the above.

    Hint the answer is C

    • Anonymous

      Bupa,
      “5 year old girl”
      Why the gender implication?
      CLTIL or TCFKAP can certainly interpret that game as well as any of us xy losers.

      That was rather surprising coming from you.

      • Anonymous

        Well, the actual reason for the gender implication is simply that the attached pic really was produced by an actual 5 year old girl, daughter Ella, who is religious about watching “the orange hat guys” with me every week down in the rumpus room at Hiram College, and cranked out that little beauty just as Cribbs was flailing away at the 3rd down fade.

        I’m all down with GIRL POWER. My two little scamps could kick the crap out of any equally aged gender or probably species for that matter, at just about anything you’d care to name. Except maybe artistic renderings of football games perhaps.

        • Anonymous

          Orange hat guys. I love it. 

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, that’s the meaning of the orange scribbles that tower over their heads. My first reaction to the drawing was, “you’re right Ella, these guys may as well not have arms.”

            Actual game dialogue:

            Ella: “Because why do the other guys have orange hats too?”
            Me: “we’ll they’re different…see,they have stripes on them” 
            Ella: “yeah…ummm…that’s really stupid.”
            ‘lil sis: “yeah that’s really stupid act-choo-you-lee”
            So I bought her and ‘lil sis some french fries.

          • Anonymous

            Any time football is on TV, my 5 year old will ask, “Daddy is that Go Browns?”
            Me, “Yep.  GO BROWNS!!!”
            “GO BROWNS!!!”

            10 minutes later whether or not the game is over…

            In a disappointed voice that only a five year old can muster, “Browns lost.”

            “No they didn’t, the games not over  AND the Browns are winning.”

            “No, Browns lost.”

            Unfortunately, he is usually right.
             

          • http://twitter.com/technivore Matthew Rich

            My daughter (also 5) asked me the other day in the car while I had an Indians game on, “Daddy, why do our teams always lose?”

          • Anonymous

            No expletives – very impressive young man!

        • Anonymous

          Bupa,
          I love you even more!
          I love your “two little scamps” too.
          I am all about GIRL POWER as well, but not always by choice….  I grew up with 6 older sisters.

      • Anonymous

        His daughter drew it, I’m assuming.  Or he did and is trying to throw her under the bus.

        • Anonymous

          Oh….   His daughter drew it.
          As I am sure you were well aware, I am rather slow on the uptake.

          • Anonymous

            No, I think I’m just a little more tuned into that sort of thing is all.

  • Ess Eh

    I guess our players were thinking too much when they should have focused on playing faster.

    Ha, and I put the over/under at 2.5 games before the complaining about Shurmur and the team would start.  Guess it should have been 0.5 games. 

    Wouldn’t it be fitting if Miami’s offense looks good tonight under Brian Daboll?  Should cap the weekend nicely.

    • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

      I was thinking the EXACT same thing re: Daboll & Miami. I hope they put up 51 tonight.

      • Anonymous

        Me too. I’m cheddared up on the fins.

  • Brian Sipe

    WOW… Grossi blamed Shumur and McCoy the most for the loss….

    • Anonymous

      Shurmur should’ve call a timeout, 1000%.. i put the loss on him..  not Colt..

    • Anonymous

      You mean it wasn’t Mangini’s fault?

      • Zulads4

        Shurmur was too busy thinking about touchdowns to pay attention.

        • Anonymous

          Crap on that. He displayed the same innumeracy as St. Mangini on that 1st and goal from the 4 sequence.

          • Zulads4

            Excluding all of the penalties, it looked like the exact same song and dance as last year, which I guess was to be expected.

          • Anonymous

            But wasn’t the point of bringing in a new coach to have a different song and dance?  I mean Holmgren fired Mangini for the on-the-field product and now his hand-picked successor has a tremendous amount of ‘splainin’ to do.   He looked disorganized, dazed and out-coached.  

            I always applauded Holmgren for not caving in to the pressure to immediately dismiss Mangini.  Considering they’re from different coaching backgrounds makes it even more remarkable that he kept him.  Now, he could have had other, non-altruistic reasons for doing so like having a scapegoat handy for the next 5-11 season but I have to admit that it was big of Holmgren to do.  

            Reportedly, Holmgren would have to gnash his teeth as his coaching staff went about solving football problems with a different lexicon and compass and obviously now he has someone who’s speaking his language and playing with his tools.  Unfortunately, yesterday’s coaching job was the antithesis of what Mangini did to Payton and Belichick last season and that simply seems like a giant step backwards.

            It’s one thing to lose consistently year after year on opening day but I don’t want to hear about how the new regime needs time to install new systems and that we are short of players.   The system has very little to do with knocking over a game official or getting caught with your pants down not realizing the Bengals were lined up ready to snap the football.   As for the players, you have to start dinging the front office braintrust at some point.   The offensive line has been bad for two years and Tony “Doctor’s Note” Pashos wasn’t about to hold down the RT spot for 16 games.   Eric Steinbach has been over-rated for years.   You can’t cry about talent week 1…you had an off-season to do something about it.  You chose to not address the offensive line with anything but unwanted discards from other teams.  Greg Little may turn into a fine receiver but you also could have drafted Julio Jones.  Not saying that would have worked out but it would have been an obvious attempt at a decisive move to shore up a weakness.

          • Anonymous

            what’s the problem with the offensive line again??  2 sacks, not that many other hurries..  we unfortunately fell victim to some dropped balls again as well as bad timing, which was probably to be expected, especially with Pashos being hurt and also Pinkston and Hicks being thrown in there..  still had a chance to win in the end of the 4th quarter which is better than being out of it in the 1st half..   we’re still a young developing team obviously, we’ll see how these guys respond..  

          • Anonymous

            Perhaps I overstated the offensive line issue but I am referring to run blocking and penalties.  Pass blocking was “ok”.   I am hopeful that the young guys can grow to be good linemen but it’s hard to stomach because I was at the Sunday night game yesterday and watched a Dallas offensive line with two rookies and a second year player (LG, C and RT) do one HELL of a job in pass protection against one of the best pass rushing teams in the league.  Granted they didn’t run well against the Jets but we weren’t playing the Jets.  We were playing the BENGALS.

            One thing we’re going to have to get used to with WCO is that the short pass is popular as a run-substitute and that isn’t going to sit well if it doesn’t work.

          • Anonymous

             The o-line was pretty bad. There are serious problems there. 2 Sacks does not tell the story.

          • Zulads4

            I couldn’t agree with you more.  That’s why I cannot continue to watch this team.  I cannot continue watching a less disciplined clone of last years team.  At least last years team, you could tell they were putting the effort in, whereas this year, the hard work is masked by massive ineptitude and brain farts. 

  • Anonymous

    Pomeranz (1-0) was a key piece in the deal that sent ace Ubaldo Jimenez to Cleveland at the trade deadline. He showed exactly why the Rockies coveted him, allowing just two singles in 5 shutout innings on 63 pitches…….But this will be a day remembered for the debut of Pomeranz.”He’s really good,” Gonzalez said. “He’s our future.”

  • Bryan

    I hate Grossi, but at least he took a well-deserved dump on McCoy and Shurmur in his podcast. 

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/09/tony_grossi_talks_about_the_br_6.html

  • Jaceczko

    WHY DID SHURMUR NOT CALL A TIMEOUT, YOU ASK?

    Because he is not the head coach! It is not his job! Shurmur is the offensive coordinator. The head coach sits in a luxury box way up in the stands, far from the field, and isn’t allowed to call timeouts.

    • Anonymous

      definitely the most damning evidence of the pratfalls of having a rookie head coach..  the quick snap caught them all sleeping, it was a decision that needed to be made in 5 seconds and it’s just our luck that all 11 defenders, and all the defensive coaches, including a former nfl head coach of the year all collectively had the biggest brainfart i’ve seen in recent history..  brutal

  • Dubbythe1

    First, I love our community here and wish I lived closer to Cleveland so I could buy a round (or 30). Second, its about time I got an avatar for posting here, so I will have to do some fishing for a nice icon.

    Lastly, Concerning the game… our disappointment most likely stems from reality not meeting expectations (at least in my mind). I am a victim of this even if I did not agree with the ousting of Mangini nor did I have confidence in Shurmur, still I wanted to Believe. I started to Believe!!! For the sake of my sanity I think for this season at least I will lower my expectations considerably. I feel it may be the only way to survive.

    • Anonymous

      Hopefully Bryan, Jaceczko, Zulads4, Brian Sipe, Ess Eh, Coachie Ballgames, Zarathustra, and the Chuuuuuuuuuuuugs follow your lead and avatar up. 

      “Cleveland:  Keeping our expectations low.”

      or

      “Cleveland: One day there won’t be a next year…because the world has to end sometime.”

    • Anonymous

      The new regime was so hyped around here…we couldn’t help but be sucked into it in our desperation.  But I think we all are learning the to be patient as Browns fans.  

  • Anonymous
    • Anonymous

       Now that is a find. I love the crowd reaction, a mass verbal cringe.

      • Anonymous

        And the other kid that might have had a shot at him was like – uh, I don’t think so.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, I initially thought “oh boy he must plow both of those guys coming over!” then he blew out the first guy and the other one just kind of magically disappeared.

          Makes me even more pissed we didn’t see him 4 times on the goal line Sunday.

  • http://twitter.com/mjh4259 Mary

    I kept thinking through the entire press conference, how much hysteria and vitriol Mangini would have had to endure for this loss.

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