Comprehensive and Authoritative 2012 Cleveland Browns Season Preview

by Cleveland Frowns on September 9, 2011

If a Comprehensive and Authoritative 2012 Cleveland Browns Season Preview is going to be concise, it might as well start with an excerpt from an interview that Eric Mangini gave to the New York Times’ Greg Bishop last November just before his Browns shocked the world by dismantling the eventual AFC East Champion New England Patriots, who didn’t lose another game for the rest of the regular season.

Q. Do you take pride in what the Jets accomplished last season, after you left?

A. Sometimes, I feel like Pete Best. He was a big part of putting that band together, but he never enjoyed Beatlemania. He was just Pete Best, the other Beatle. And yeah, I did take pride in it. Like I take pride in seeing Dustin Keller be as successful as he is. Or Revis. Or David Harris. It’s exciting, the things that Leon’s doing in Seattle. I couldn’t be happier for Leon. He’s a great guy. Right on down the line. The strides that Nick Mangold made. The strides that D’Brickashaw Ferguson has made. That’s great stuff. They’re going to be good players for a long time.

Q. Rex Ryan gets a contract extension. Mike Tannenbaum gets a contract extension. Is it human nature to say, why me?

A. Well, you look at it that way, and you also look at it as being thankful that Randy (Lerner) recognized the good things that I did to get another opportunity so quickly. I was unemployed for six days, or eight days. And that was nice. And the difficult thing was, I had kind of seen the movie before. And now, to go through all the stuff again, you have to knock the house down, you have to dig the basement, lay the foundation. There was going to be setbacks. There was going to be labor problems. There was going to be subcontractors that didn’t come to work. But that’s just the way it was.

It’s called culture, and by definition it doesn’t change overnight. Of course, there’s every reason to believe the 2012 Browns will benefit greatly from Mangini’s work here. But there’s also this from the same interview:

Q. Popular sentiment seems to be you will be fired after this season. Are you worried about that?

A. I’ve never felt that Mike (Holmgren) put some sort of clock on, or that he’s doing anything to separate himself, or disengage, or any of that stuff. If anything, I think he’s trying to help each week, which is consistent with what he said he’d do.

Doesn’t it just kill you?

So, one last time, as much as I love the Cleveland Browns (or what they’re supposed to be, or used to be, or whatever), I’m not going to pretend that it’s as easy or as much fun to get behind an organization led by a guy who took advantage of a disgusting leadership vacuum and a set of impossibly absurd circumstances to hang a guy out the way Holmgren did to Mangini last season, only to bring his “nephew” in to harvest the fruits of Mangini’s labor. Secondarily, or maybe it’s the same thing, but I really like the idea of a presumption of job security for anybody who’s making obvious progress at what’s proven for more than a decade-plus to be a historically difficult job. So as much as I want the Browns to win, the leadership of this latest version has made it harder for me to care if they don’t. Energy is limited, I have enough things to worry about, there are a billion different ways to be a fan, and everyone should be able to understand this, so whatever. And none of it really matters if the Browns finally just win.

I don’t buy that it’s any trickier to install a West Coast Offense than it is to work at whatever Daboll had to try to do with DA/Quinn/Delhomme/Seneca/Third Round Rookie Poise Machine, and it can’t possibly be a big deal to switch from Mangini’s high-ceiling schemes to the Think Less Play Faster Defense. The roster and the locker room are in better shape than at any point since at least 2007, and for better or worse, the quarterback position is as stable as it’s been since Tim Couch, so if you think you’ve got the right coaches and the right schemes and the right QB in place, just throw, catch, run, block, tackle, win.

Take advantage of a weak schedule, give us at least one playoff game, and worrying in the off-season about giving Colt McCoy too much money and everything else about a 2008 redux will be a bridge we’ll be glad to jump off when we get to it.

Browns Browns Browns Browns Browns go Browns good lord please don’t let a Bengals rookie quarterback win his NFL debut in Cleveland.

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We’ll be back this weekend with some football picks, and remember, it’s not too late to join what’s already by far the biggest and best Cheddar Bay Reality Football competition yet. Also, a programming note that’s only semi-related to the content of this post, which is that we’re going back to a more irregular posting schedule, which is how it was in the old days here, which was fine, and will be fine, and just means that we might not get a post up every weekday like we’ve been lately. Please just trust us that the posts we do get up here will be better than ever, that we’ll all be better off because of this, variety is the spice of life, etc., and of course the comments at days old posts stay plenty live here as it is which of course will only be more so now (you guys really are the best, but you know that). Alright, football, Browns, weekend, hope everyone has a decent one.

  • http://twitter.com/lilOUmikey Michael Tricarichi
    • Anonymous

      Right. It just wasn’t going to fit in the preview. We’ll have to do it next week.

      Where’s your Cheddar Bay entry, anyway?

  • Anonymous

    i trust you.  super trust, even.

    here’s to the new-old posting schedule and the better days to come.

  • http://hardawayhatespittsburgh.blogspot.com PittsburghisforManLovers

    Good Lord am I excited.  Souper Bull!  Souper Bull! And everything Frowns said too.

    • Anonymous

      you must be reprising your role as witty-bard-upon-cheddar this year, yes?

      • http://hardawayhatespittsburgh.blogspot.com PittsburghisforManLovers

        Alas, events have transpired that have precluded me from partaking in the festivities this year. Hopefully the trial is a short one.

  • Jaceczko

    Ok, so we have:

    •Home against rookie-qb-led Bengals: winnable.
    •At Manning-less Colts: winnable.
    •Home against who’s-their-qb-again? Dolphins: winnable.
    •Home against Kerry Collins-is-their-qb Titans: winnable.
    BYE
    •Home against who’s-their-qb-again? Seahawks (who by the way travel about 2,400 miles): winnable.
    •At Alex-Smith-led 49ers: winnable.
    •At trendy “sleeper” division winner pick (that went 6–10 last year) Texans: more losable than winnable.
    •Home against ouhtright trendy division winner pick Rams: more losable.
    •Home against just-cut-our-1st-string-qb Jags: winnable.
    •At rookie-qb-led Bengals: winnable.
    RAVENS STEELERS CARDINALS STEELERS RAVENS

    I only see five guaranteed losses. It’s crazy, we could be the wild card with a 0–4 record against the best and second best teams in our division.

    I’m still taking the under on the Vegas line (6.5), in keeping with my iron-clad rule of gambling: bet against my rooting interest. That way, I can feel like I paid $20 (or whatever) for my Browns to get a win (which I would do 16 times a year forever), and if they lose, I get a $20 consolation prize. With the SEASON over-under, and with all point spreads, for that matter, it’s a different story. But straight up win/loss every time.

    But I would take “being wrong” in a heartbeat in exchange for the Browns being at or near .500. Any year.

    • Jaceczko

      Ah, I forgot, week 6: at Raiders. 

    • Anonymous

      If Eric Mangini has taught us anything it’s that there’s no such thing as a guaranteed loss.

      • Jaceczko

        If that is true, then it is only true as long as we have the sine qua non, but we are sine the sine qua non. So wouldn’t it be a guaranteed loss? At least against the Steelers?

        I mean, let’s be honest, isn’t it an annual tradition for our overpayed millionaire athletes to give a big middle finger to the fans right around Christmas time by rolling over to the Steelers to the tune of, oh, say, 48-10 or so? 

        Maybe throw in a drunk streaking fan getting body slammed by James Harrison or Farrior or whoever it was that took that guy out a few years ago (while I was in attendance with my wife, who was wearing a Steelers jersey and being physically assaulted by our very own finest).

        Shit. I just realized how sick I am of losing in unprofessional style to the Steelers in December. Somebody please make it stop.

        Please.

        Shit.

        • Anonymous

          Well shit, since you bring it up, there was one guy who actually did make the “losing to the Steelers in December” thing stop, and not so long ago. So much for that guy. http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/2009/12/frownie-fotos-browns-vs-steelers-121009/

          • Jaceczko

            Thank you for the invitation to revisit that glorious night. What an awesome night. I still vividly remember all those sacks. Those first two possessions especially. Roethlisberger looked like he didn’t want to have anything to do with that game from the word “go”. 

            And I knew it, too.

            As soon as I saw the Steelers O-line come out with sleeves and Roethlisberger come out with gloves, and the Browns O-line come out sleeveless and Brady Quinn come out without gloves, I got all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that for once, our Browns wanted this game more than the Steelers did.

            I vote for the frozen beer/field shot, with the free wombat a close second.

            TOMORROWGOBROWNS!

    • Believelander

      Did you just call the Cardinals a ‘guaranteed loss’?

      *dies* x-p

      • Jaceczko

        Yeah, fraid so. sandwiched between two Steelers games and two Ravens games, in December, with Thaddeus Lewis as our starting quarterback, on the road, with Peyton Hillis, Eric Steinbach, OL Extra #1, Brandon Jackson, Montario Hardesty, Benjamin Watson, Sheldon Brown, and, oh, I don’t know, say Phil Dawson, on IR.

        That’s about what we usually look like that time of year.

        I’m just speaking descriptively based on the data we have available. Now back to fanaticism.

        BROWNS GONNA GO 11-5 WOOHOO!

      • Jaceczko

        Yeah, fraid so. sandwiched between two Steelers games and two Ravens games, in December, with Thaddeus Lewis as our starting quarterback, on the road, with Peyton Hillis, Eric Steinbach, OL Extra #1, Brandon Jackson, Montario Hardesty, Benjamin Watson, Sheldon Brown, and, oh, I don’t know, say Phil Dawson, on IR.

        That’s about what we usually look like that time of year.

        I’m just speaking descriptively based on the data we have available. Now back to fanaticism.

        BROWNS GONNA GO 11-5 WOOHOO!

  • Anonymous

    >>only to bring his “nephew” in to harvest the fruits of Mangini’s labor.>>

    Sweet sassy molassy, you are far, far gone, Frowner. The promising talent on this team was mostly acquired under Holmgren. The system is completely different on both sides of the ball. A whole bunch of players have come out and said that the culture this year is completely different. Just what is it in concrete terms that He planted that is about to set “fruit?” Giving away Braylon and Winslow?

    The Browns may very well suck this year, in which case is it Mangini’s fault?? Of course not. You can’t have it both ways (like you do with NY) where teams turn 180 degrees away from Mangini’s style but somehow His presence is still the decisive factor, but only for good.

    • http://twitter.com/byRiverBurns River Burns

      Personally, I don’t how they could have moved forward with Winslow and Edwards, so that step back seems like it was more of a delayed step forward.  Only Lerner brought in Holmgren (a good move at the wrong time) to pull the carpet out from underneath Mangini before he was given the chance to progress.  I chuckle at the “nephew” comment because I think he might be the guy (similar to my McCoy sentiment), but my belief in Shurmur shouldn’t represent support for the handling of Mangini in any way.

      Go Browns.

    • http://twitter.com/byRiverBurns River Burns

      Personally, I don’t how they could have moved forward with Winslow and Edwards, so that step back seems like it was more of a delayed step forward.  Only Lerner brought in Holmgren (a good move at the wrong time) to pull the carpet out from underneath Mangini before he was given the chance to progress.  I chuckle at the “nephew” comment because I think he might be the guy (similar to my McCoy sentiment), but my belief in Shurmur shouldn’t represent support for the handling of Mangini in any way.

      Go Browns.

    • Anonymous

      It is not about “acquiring promising talent,” it’s about bringing the best out of talent, creating an environment/network where it thrives. “Giving away” Braylon and Winslow was obviously a big part of that, yes, but it really gets down to the day to day. Whatever the players say about the culture this year, what Mangini laid down the last two years can’t not be a part of it. You must know that culture just doesn’t change overnight.

      • Anonymous

        When you replace the entire management structure and football philosophy on both sides of the ball, the team “culture” is essentially changed overnight, certainly within a few months. The only sense in which it does not change is the core personalities of the actual people left. Most of his guys from 2009 are going going gone. The choices from 2010 are presumably mostly collaborative (although it sounds like McCoy was all Holmgren’s) and I don’t know that any can be sorted specifically into Mangini’s column. 

        So who or what is Mangini so singularly responsible for here that is about to blossom and result in heaps of undeserved praise unjustly pouring onto the worthless nepotistic leeches that contribute nothing…well, except our starting fullback, quarterback, our system of offense, our system of defense, our successful draft strategy the past 2 years…

        Heads Mangini wins, tails Holmgren loses. This is religion, not analysis.

        • Anonymous

          I know you really want to believe that, but it’s nonsense. It’s a game of inches. People can learn habits that make all the difference in a matter of weeks, and they become more engrained if you’re talking about the course of a year, or two. Those habits, the changed outlook, is still there. When you see things like the 2010 Browns getting over on the 2010 Saints and Patriots (or really just the whole 2010 Browns season, when you look at it with a shred of objectivity), you know it’s actually science.

  • Anonymous

    It is much harder to change the culture than it is to change the players but both take some degree of resolve.

    You can blame Mangini for some things he did or didn’t do but the one thing that is clear:  He took out the trash.

    Eric Mangini cut somewhere on the order of 26 (it was in the mid-20′s) players when he first got to Cleveland.  I’m not talking about trades (Winslow).  Of those players, only TWO were in the league the following year and neither of those guys were contributors to a team.  They were practice squadders.  That is how much garbage was on this roster.  Truck drivers and bartenders do not an NFL roster make.

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    Agree totally re Holmgren’s treatment of Mangini. I have yet to be convinced that Holmgren is the great guru he is cracked up to be, and was not happy to see him land in Cleveland.

    • Believelander

      Mary, let’s not be unreasonable here – the Media says so! Don’t doubt in the face of such overwhelming evidence.

      Also, Biki trusts in him.

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