Ravens Sleepwalk to Win over Browns

by Cleveland Frowns on December 26, 2011

“[Coach Harbaugh] was like ‘there’s no way they jump.’ … I don’t know if I’ve ever been in position for that to happen. It’s never worked.” Joe Flacco

“It seems that it’s the 15th time I’ve said this, (but) the guys played extremely hard.”Pat Shurmur

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The Browns’ plan to lull the Ravens to sleep with a 20-0 lead through most of three quarters almost worked. Ravens receivers caught a case of the drops in the second half, and the next thing you knew there was an 84-yard Josh Cribbs punt return, a Sheldon Brown interception in the Browns’ end zone, and an 80-yard touchdown drive, and the Browns were right back in it.

"You are getting sleepy ... very sleeeeepy ... yessss ..."

Of course, after what unfolded at the end of the first half, it’s impossible to blame the Ravens for forgetting that they were playing in an NFL football game. First down at Baltimore’s 8-yard-line with 57 seconds on the clock and the Browns let the first half expire on a run play without scoring points, with the ball left at the Ravens’ 3-yard-line.

“I never would have called a run in that situation with that much time,” said Browns coach Pat Shurmur, who, we’re told, calls the plays for the Browns. Anyway, it was like nothing anyone had ever seen. Completely bedazzling. And it almost worked. At least until a second consecutive one-yard swing pass failed on fourth-and-5 on what would be the last Browns drive of the game thanks to Phil Taylor jumping offside on a Ravens’ fourth-and-2 when the one thing the defense had to do on the play was not jump offside.

You can call it a close one, and you can call it the sixth time this season that the Browns have fallen behind by three scores by the third quarter.

The Steelers are in town on Sunday for a 4PM start. If Pittsburgh wins and the Ravens lose to the Bengals (in a game that’s also at 4:00), the Steelers win the division and a first round bye.

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The rest of the playoff scenarios are laid out here, where we see that the Niners only need to beat the hopeless Rams next week to secure a first round bye and keep the Saints from getting the same. We don’t see New Orleans opening the playbook tonight against a Falcons team they might end up facing two weeks later in the playoffs so we’ll take the points tonight Falcons +6.5 over Saints (10 units).

And will lay them in the Independence Bowl with Missouri -6 over North Carolina (7 units). This can be one to build on for a young and stable Missouri program while the Tar Heels are basically blowing the whole thing up after this game. Even with top five draft pick Quinton Coples playing defensive end, North Carolina hasn’t really been able to stop anybody this season.

We’re 3-2 (+8 units) Bowling for Units so far this season, and 44-27-2 (+110 units) against the spread with the NFL picks (1 unit = 1 percent of your bankroll for the season).

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Here’s a good read from Terry Pluto, who spoke with an AFC exec who thinks the Browns need a quarterback.

And here’s a good Cavs season preview from Ball Don’t Lie.

Which is all for today. Hope everyone’s week gets off to a good start.

  • Hopwin

    I really wish someone would go through the season play-by-play and count the number of players we have on the field. I know that anecdotally I have seen four plays where we had 10 or less players on the field. Somehow Shurmur gets a pass on this though…

    • Anonymous

      Hops,
      Maybe they are just showing the field too close up on TV so you do not see all of the players.
      Perhaps it was a tricky and sophisticated Shurmur play call.
      For example, I played Left Out, so it oftentimes looked like I was not on the field.

      • Hopwin

        On 12/04 we had 9 men on the field for the Raven’s punt return. Last week when we picked off Skelton we only had 10 defenders on the field.

        • Anonymous

          I have seen the same issues. Perhaps coaches are like qb’s, they take a while to mature in this league. The game has not slowed down yet for shurmur. Where did that famous coach for the patriots “cut his teeth”?

          Sent from T-Mobile G2 with Google

        • Anonymous

          I agree Hops, I have seen the same issues. Perhaps coaches take a while to mature like QB’s.
          The game has not yet slowed down for Shurmur.
          Where did that famous coach for the Patriots “cut his teeth”?
          BRING BACK THE HOODIE!

  • Anonymous

    Due to circumstances beyond their control, Ravens win.

    Welcome to the subcretin level.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Craig Lyndall

    The important takeaway from Pluto’s talk to that executive to me was that the Browns also can’t force it. If they don’t see the right guy on the board, they mustn’t take just any QB. This phase of the Browns it is obvious that they still need a great many things. Trading a boatload of picks for one guy or reaching for a position of need rather than the biggest difference-maker seems far riskier a proposition.

  • Anonymous

    4 wins in a row, 5-1 in last 6 ATS = the best way to end the season for a degenerate browns fan, who wants to cover, but prefers the SU loss to not risk draft status. If it was any other year, i would want to win, but with this draft being so vital to the future prospects of the team, obviously, the higher the picks the better. Let’s do this Saints!

  • Anonymous

    Also, for you Cavs degenerates, the OVER 16.5 wins is the LOCK OF THE YEAR. Projects out to 20.5 in a 82 game season.

    This team is def a couple wins better than last year, even if we do trade Andy and Jamison and trade deadline. We’ll still get some good gritty wins while we have em and could hover close to .400 until we ship them in Feb. My prediction is 21-45. First win tonight!

    • zarathustra

      I’m a degenerate and I like that bet, but the Heat -5 yesterday was the lock of the century.

      • Anonymous

        It sure was. I almost posted a column to say as much, but didn’t think it would help anything.

  • Anonymous

    Whatever happens with the draft and FA, they better lock down Hillis.

    • Jaceczko

      Hear hear.

      Too bad it won’t happen, with the button-pushers and play-callers bending over backwards all season to marginalize him and prove how independent they are of him.

      Sure convinced me! (especially watching him carry seven Ravens down the middle of their defense on his back all day Saturday)

      • Anonymous

        Yeah what we really need to do is show Hillis that his popularity makes his market value higher than his football numbers would suggest. That will work out great for us.

        Signed, 27,306 Madden cover votes.

        • Anonymous

          Bupa, you know value is a relative term. His value in Cleveland is higher than elsewhere for many reasons. A Cleveland Brown is on a Madden cover because we put him there. He didn’t sign up for it or expect it. We put him there because we believe he represents us, and he was the one thing other teams were concerned about when playing the Browns. The ONE thing. That still holds true today.

          We probably had a hand in messing with Peyton’s head and creating a little bit of an ego. Who’s to say any of us wouldn’t succumb to fame as well?

          I think the way the Browns treated him this year was to put him in his place and teach him a lesson. He responded well and I’m feeling positive that they’ll come to an agreement.

          They saved some cash this year by hiring Shurmur to be a two-fer (when he’s not equipped to do one job). They can afford to pay Hillis.

    • Anonymous

      He needs a nick name. I like “Bunkie”.

      Lots of signs and T-shirts with his face and “We Like Bunkie” below it.

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    i have a draft day scenario to run past you all. in it, the browns come away with griffin at a reasonable price.

    with AP’s blown ACL i think that makes richardson a priority pick for the vikes. they wont want to burn the 3rd overall pick on an RB.

    assuming so, the browns can move up to vikes #3 pick for griffin by offering their 2nd round pick. draft trade value chart says the delta between #3 and #5 is 500 points. browns’ 2nd rd pick is 530 points.

    this would leave washington porked and desperate to overpay for vikes’ pick. so it is KEY that the browns act like they’ll take richardson at #5 to prevent the vikes from dealing with the skins.

    • Anonymous

      Def worth it for us, but don’t think MN will agree. especially when it will take a con devised by Danny Ocean to “act like they’ll take richardson at #5″. Typically the way to “act” like you aren’t lookin hard at QBs is when you have a franchise QB (or commitment to one you think has potential to be) on the roster. It seems to me that the cat is out of the bag on that one.

      • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

        yes, that is the flaw in the plan.
        10000% agree on heckert’s poker abilities.
        dont get cute.
        roll over with the second #1.

        and try not to get sucked into giving up next years #1.

        • Anonymous

          If they roll over with the second #1, then that means they really love him, and i’d be pullin for RGIII to prove his worth. But just like someone wrote above, hopefully they don’t force the issue cause we got plenty of other holes to fill with plenty of studs out their who could be a key fixture for next 10 years (stud DE from UNC).

          But what do I know other than it will be fun to speculate. i’m certain Heckert and his staff know much more about the process of scouting and projecting a guy’s potential than i ever will. And even the pros don’t get it right all the time (cough cough, eric mangini)

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            >>>> i’m certain Heckert and his staff know much more about the process of scouting and projecting a guy’s potential than i ever will>>>>

            im not.

          • Anonymous

            You may know more than he does, but I definitely don’t. Seems like it’s something picked up after watching thousands and thousands of hours of film a year, i may be a degenerate but watching that much film is like a fulltime job. Oh wait…

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            i meant you biki. im not certain he knows more than you. not certain he watches as much film. if he did, he wouldnt have staked his rep on a DT who takes plays off or a FB who cant block at NFL level.

          • Anonymous

            Never heard of a GM staking their rep on a late 4th round pick. And Big Phil is one of the league leaders in snaps, if it seems like he takes plays off, it’s due to our lack of quality depth on the DL. But overall he’s def proven worthy of where he was picked. But i guess if he had Osi on the edge, or Lance Briggs his effectiveness would be more apparent. (It seems like they will heed your demands and splurge on upgrading at RE and OLB this offseason)

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            when you trade up, youre saying ‘i really think this guy is special.’

            when you overpay to trade up (the value chart linked above says the five slots for taylor shouldve been high 4th round, not high 3rd round.), youre saying ‘i stake my rep on this pick.’

            newsome traded up for ngota. heckert traded up for hardesty and taylor.

            the only real ‘value pick’ in heckert’s career was lesean mccoy. and biki, if we gave you six years of drafting, i bet you’d have at least one of those too.

            ps–can we stipulate the osi wasnt the smartest move i proposed and at the same time ackowledge that going after steve smith and alex young when they couldve been had were smart things i said? lets move on.

          • Anonymous

            I’ve only made trades in fantasy football, so i don’t presume to have any first hand knowledge of how trades are weighed in the war room. I should verify this in your chart, but overall we certainly got value for parlaying our #6 pick for a slew of picks that i’m sure worth more than #6 pick. Now it’s up to the players and coaches to get them playing at or above their potential.

            It looks like we got a good group of guys who love playin for the Browns and seem eager to get better. Good to see the young fellas get some run and hang in there. 5-1 ATS run!

          • Anonymous

            Biki,
            Who is the late 4th round pick? Or were you typing metaphorically?

    • Jaceczko

      I thought we established some time ago that you can’t say “delta” in this space…

      • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

        i need an updated memo on this. mine only has ‘stout,’ ‘motor,’ and ‘athleticism’ on it.

        uppercase KEY probably needs to be flagged too. my bad.

        • Anonymous

          I am certain that “physicality” was thrown into the drink somewhere off the beautiful shores of Lake Erie as well.

  • Dennis Hemingway

    C. Bay money pick:

    Falcons +7 ***

    The last four matchups between the Saints and Falcons have been decided by 3 points. The Saints are getting more love as the heavy favorite because of the way they’ve played at home over the past several weeks. Atlanta has gotten hot at the right time and is playing like the team that had the best record in the NFC last year. The Saints are also pretty much locked into the #3 seed in the NFC this year, unless the Niners collapse against the Rams in week 17. And there is a good chance that the Falcons will get the #6 seed and have to play in New Orleans in round 1 of the playoffs. The Falcons need this game way more to get into the playoffs. The Saints could be holding back on showing anything and could play conservative since they know they’ll probably get Atlanta again over wild card weekend. This line should be closer to 4 and I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Falcons win out right.

    • Anonymous

      The Falcons are already locked into the playoffs, fwiw. The only question is whether they win the division or not.

  • Anonymous

    You’ve come up with what sounds like a reasonable explanation for your falcons pick, but just admit that in reality it’s all about doing the opposite of whatever i did this week #solipsistic (but super true).

    Also when did bryan’s powers grow this strong and when will he learn to harness them and use them for the greater good (dooming me at #cheddarbay doesnt count lol).

    • Anonymous

      The solipsism is extra strong today. You must have had a really good Christmas.

      • Anonymous

        Frownie,
        I need to thank you for helping to cure me of my Solipsism Syndrome.
        I now know that at least 24 other minds exist and they are kicking my ass at Cheddar Bay.

        • Anonymous

          See, this is exactly why we do this thing. It’s really something, isn’t it?

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      it’s not just you, p. it’s all these cheds too (with pick pcts):

      saints
      p4ev** 51%
      chkK 41%
      clil 54%
      dwhl*** 51%
      fred*** 52%
      kan 56%
      mikD 51%
      pate*** 55%
      smit 44%
      pull* 47%
      (plus 2% over 50%)

      falcons
      bryj 41%
      denn*** 55%
      (minus 4%)

      ***moneypick
      **last year champ
      *last year runner up

      at this point in the season, we’ve got a good tendency database built up.

      all i can say is i’m betting high units on the saints. this data helped.

  • Anonymous

    Shurmur keeps looking into that play card as if the answer is on it. He also uses it to cover his mouth as he’s speaking into the headset. As if knowing his play call would give the defense any more advantage than they already have.

    I don’t care if y’all want to give Shurmur a “pass” on the fact that he’s given away ballgames. That sort of generosity didn’t seem to extend to the previous coach given the fact the he was under siege before he even had his first bye week. I just ask that you keep it consistent. Realistically, the Ravens debacle shows even LESS to make me think that Pat Shurmur can be a successful head coach in the NFL.

    In 2010, he took his play-calling skills to Seattle in a must-win scenario and was facing one of the worst run defenses in the NFL. Steven Jackson had only seven carries at the half and the running game was forgotten as Pat playcalled his way out of the playoffs and into his new gig with Mike Holmgren.

    Browns fans, it feels like we are all the victims of a huge Bob LaMonte orchestration. It’s a back room deal hitting us in the back door.

    While most people thought Colt McCoy MIGHT be the guy, there was not any unanimous agreement that he was THE guy. In that case, why was our only other option a journeyman with the same limitations and a kid waived by the Rams (Lewis) who never even had a winning season in college? What’s the matter? Was Joey Harrington too busy?

    Awful. This is another wasted season that Holmgren KNEW was going to be a disaster. He just happens to have a steady supply of human shields to put into the firing line so that he can finish depositing Lerner’s checks.

    Jumping offsides. Not knowing how to count to 11. Not being able to execute an offense with time running down. I’m sorry folks. That’s not a well-coached team.

    • Jaceczko

      So are you saying that Holmgren and Heckert are still accomplishing a slow-developing plan that they began to set in motion two years ago, and that the débâcle of this year was all part of it?

      • Anonymous

        I’m saying that they knew this team was going to be bad and they really didn’t answer the question of QB or WR going in and gave themselves no alternative plan should it fail.

        Pat Shurmur is getting a pass to make mistakes that got his predecessor run out of town and the “it takes time” argument was a lost whisper for him. There’s no shortage of scapegoats at Holmgren’s disposal but mind you that Pat Shurmur will not be one of them. Am I the only one who’s concerned about the fact that Bob LaMonte’s clients are rooted deeply into this organization? Makes it hard to fire the appropriate people when you have a conflict of interest.

        • Anonymous

          While lamonte and holmgren have been boys since their high school teaching days 35 years ago, the guy currently represents 5 GMs, 6 head coaches, and a bunch of coordinators. So it’s all one big conspiracy theory amongst several nfl franchises? It’s one thing to manipulate and “trick” Lerner into hiring his guys, but he did it to 4 other NFL owners as well?? Not to mention Chris Carpenter in MLB which was one of the best deals ever for a guy coming off tommy john, etc.

          We’re heading into year 3 of their rebuild plan, we have given a lot of young guys some valuable experience while setting us up for an opportunity to have 3 top 36 picks, 30M in cap room, and getting back 3-4 potential starters coming back from injury (steinbach, benard, bjax, ward). out of 22 currents starters, 6 are legit, and it looks like we’re gonna add 7-8 more getting us closer to having a competitive depth chart.

          • Anonymous

            Once again you’re completely missing the point. I don’t think there’s another team in the league with a Lamonte-owned president who hired a Lamonte-owned head coach (and a Lamonte-owned QB coach, and a Lamonte-owned “special assistant,” etc.). Remember, Lerner didn’t hire Shurmur, Holmgren did.

            It doesn’t matter how many players you have if you don’t have a coach.

          • Anonymous

            Not to mention the broad assumption that we are going to add 7-8 more ‘legit starters’ , truly successful drafts only work when quality vets are in place to help facilitate coaching, otherwise we waste 1-2 years as rooks get acclamated.

            considering our coaching (almost everywhere) is an obvious downgrade, it will be interesting to see us going into this mythical ‘year 3′ of the rebuild where our coaches fart unicorn dust and we sprinkle it into our recievers hands for instant touchdowns!!

          • Hopwin

            Next year isn’t year three. It is year one just like this year was,. Last year was year one under Homgren; this was year one under Shurmur and next year is year one under whoever our new QB is.

            Ingenious way to avoid responsibility or just a a fancy scheme to continue to milk the Lerner cash-cow?

          • Anonymous

            happen to agree with you here, notice ‘year 3′ is in quotes and has the prefix mythical, I was just accentuating Biki’s oft-one-sided, rose colored outlook on anything unmangini

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            i laugh when the ‘legit starters’ number is used as a proof point for heckert being a good ‘talent evaluator.’

            owen marecic counts to heckert’s favor by using this metric. never mind that we didnt need a FB in the first place and then that marecic was outplayed in camp by tyler clutts.

            you can make the same point about pinkston, he’s a ‘starter’ because heckert didn’t bother to find a FA (with his 30MM in cap space) who might be better than a 5th round rookie.

          • Anonymous

            nail on the head, legit starters shmarters, start does not mean talent on this team by any means.

          • Alexb

            the vickers trade is still one of the most vexing things to me the browns have ever done. Where in football do u find a FB that who gets wood thinking of colliding with names like Harrisson and Lewis….where? With vickers leading for Hillis we had a potential running game that would roll over even the defenses of the AFC North. I know Hillis can get alot of yds on his own but the Vickers/Hillis train would have put the fear of god into defenses for years to come. What an absolute shame we missed on that. Marecic will be out of football of the NFL in 2-3 years, more if he can fashion himself a spot on someone’s special teams. Vickers? He’s busting open holes for Foster in Houston. Well done Cleveland.

          • Anonymous

            We rank 28th out of 32 teams in terms of the age of our offensive players this season. That would prove your point except that we are sandwiched between Green Bay (27th) and San Francisco (29th).

            Every team has and uses young players. That wasn’t the point of what I posted above.

          • Anonymous

            We get Benard, Steinbach, Ward and Brandon Jackson back from injury. All of them will get a ton of snaps. Most likely our first 3 draft pics will be starting or getting significant playing time. And then it seems we’re def gonna be spending a little or all of the 30m in cap room we have. At least 2-3 more guys, that’s like 9-10 right there.

        • Anonymous

          Great point Rod..The fact we were 30 mil under the cap during the free agent period and Holmgren knowing we needed help especially since Mangini “didn’t win enough” and how bad the fans wanted a reason to believe this is depressing,,Look at the product on the field and on the sideline now (coaching) it is clearly well below last year under EM and if you’re watching the Browns you really can’t come to any other conclusion. Undisciplined players, awful clock management (no TO’s left with 4+ minutes) before halftime is pathetic. One of the lowest scoring offenses in the NFL..WCO right and a team that is terrible in situational football which is really what the NFL is all about. But hey Bob Lamonte is happy.

          • Anonymous

            So you don’t think we finally have a nice core of individual players to build around??? How is that depressing?? I’m excited for the fact that we have a real opportunity to add a few bonafide studs in some of our positions of glaring need (WR, OLB, QB, DE). Sheard, taylor, rubin, dqwell, gocong, haden, ward, those are studs right there. Upgrade jayme mitchell, fujita and sheldon and i think we make that next leap up in terms of talent/playmakers on defense.

            The offense is obviously a mess without knowing what we have at qb, but we have current or future probowlers to build around: thomas, mack, steinbach, hillis, hopefully little. Get a #1 WR and some stability on right side of line and there should be no more excuses if the offense doesn’t score.

          • Anonymous

            SHUMUR WAS HIRED TO FIX THE OFFENSE..and the defense fails in big spots..It doesn’t matter how much talent you accrue if you’re game management and decision making is questionable. Your in a division where you need to compete physically and mentally, coaches included..I’m sorry I haven’t seen it this season

        • Anonymous

          I don’t disagree with any of this Rod, it’s pretty clear they didn’t gear to win this year. But should they have? And yeah, Mangini, for the most part, was not given the same leash that is being extended to Shurmur…but does that mean Shurmur is getting too long a leash? It easy to turn two wrongs into a right, but it isn’t.

          No one around here isn’t at least open to the argument that Mangini didn’t get the fairest of shakes. At times it sounds like that bit of injustice dominates the conversation here over the consideration of what is currently best for the team. Shurmur has clearly, CLEARLY, not been up to the job in his rookie season. But if you step back and look at it, it really was pretty much set up and played as a transition year. And he is a rookie. I’m sure they would have liked to win more, but obviously all the personnel moves (and lack thereof) pretty much openly stated that we were not getting down to brass tacks until 2012 at least.

          There are still some gaping holes, and I understand the sentiment that one of them resides under Shurmur’s curly locks. But the bottom line is the team is starting to be more competitive, has a nice core of players, and has put themselves in draft and financial position to add a ton in the offseason. It’s amazing that these brain farts continue, but it really is a rookie year in a lot of senses.

          >>Am I the only one who’s concerned about the fact that Bob LaMonte’s clients are rooted deeply into this organization? Makes it hard to fire the appropriate people when you have a conflict of interest.>>

          Now that is a great point, and perhaps the flip-side of the problems that one would have worried about (and ultimately experienced) with the previous ‘mixed’ regime.

          • Anonymous

            i happen to agree with what you said, and given the way Holmgren/Shurmur math goes, our head coach will ‘essentially’ still be a rookie next year, so its obviously all roses.

          • Anonymous

            Nicely stated. All I am asking for is consistency. I, for one, get a little annoyed when the president (appointed on the desire of guy wearing a bone on his head) talks to the media (and the fans indirectly) as if we aren’t actually watching what goes on between the lines.

            Couple that with a head coach who belittles the media and passes the buck and it’s a very tough pill to swallow.

            None of that has anything to do with Mangini.

    • Anonymous

      So if Shurmur will continue to call plays next season despite the hire of an OC that big Mike mentioned, who among us has the fortitude, or let’s be honest here, masochistic tendencies to watch it all again? I honestly can’t say that I do.

      Even if we get lucky and snag some real talent in the off-season, if he is still driving the bus I can’t watch. Having to use time-outs for personnel rotation vs. not calling time and having 9 or 10 guys on the field? Does any other professional football team have this recurring problem…after 16 weeks?

      Hey, has anyone heard from Dawgpound Mike or whatever his name is? Where’s he been these days? Hope he didn’t have a cardiovascular event on Saturday like I almost did.

      • Anonymous

        CLTIL,
        “who among us has the fortitude, or let’s be honest here, masochistic tendencies to watch it all again?”
        Who are you trying to dissuade with that train of thought?
        You know we will all watch it again and again.
        “masochistic tendencies”
        CITIL, I hope you understand that we are mostly Browns fans, Indians fans and Cavs fans here. We are all masochists.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, I know. Sad to say, you’ll find a picture of Cleveland sports fan when you look that up in your Funk & Wagnalls.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-White/100000446546049 Steve White

        Before we get that far: what OC is going to come to Cleveland where he can’t call the plays on Sunday and has to watch his offense get handcuffed, rogered and destroyed by Shurmer’s play-calling and clock management?

        Okay, okay, I get it, LeMonte has another client who needs a job. Sorry, I went off the reservation for a moment; I’m better now. Honest.

    • Anonymous

      Rod

      This season has turned out pretty much as I expected and predicted (here & elsewhere) that is: poorly coached, poor special teams play & no competent QB.

      The QB position must be fixed before the team goes anywhere. As has been seen multiple times in this league, good QB play acts like high tide, it raises all boats – WR boats, O-line boats – all boats.

      The firing of Mangini was one of the two worst moves in the 65 year history of the team outdone only by the hiring of the incompetent, bloated Holmgren.

    • Anonymous

      Rod

      This season has turned out pretty much as I expected and predicted (here & elsewhere) that is: poorly coached, poor special teams play & no competent QB.

      The QB position must be fixed before the team goes anywhere. As has been seen multiple times in this league, good QB play acts like high tide, it raises all boats – WR boats, O-line boats – all boats.

      The firing of Mangini was one of the two worst moves in the 65 year history of the team outdone only by the hiring of the incompetent, bloated Holmgren.

    • jpftribe

      Completely agree. Last I checked, there was a rookie NFL coach in the bay area that took over a 6-10 team. They are now 12-3, looking to make a home game in the playoffs and their QB has gone from 1st round bust to the second coming of Montana.

      Not saying the Browns should have picked up Harbaugh, they couldn’t have. That’s the point, what legitimate NFL coach is going to come here under Holmgren?

  • Jaceczko

    Wait, we played the Ravens this week?

  • Jaceczko

    If Mangini’s problem was thinking FGs instead of TDs…what would you call what happened at the end of the first half Saturday?

    • Anonymous

      thinking DERP.

    • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris

      The absence of thought.

      • Anonymous

        Exactly Chris,
        “I do not think, therefore I am not.”
        Rickety Eggcart

  • Anonymous

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Cleveland-Browns-coach-Pat-Shurmur-accepts-blame-for-loss-122611

    Quote from article “Shurmur said there are no excuses and the Browns ”have to play smarter.””

    so we go from ‘think less, play faster’ back to ‘play smarter’?? werent they playing disciplined and smarter last year? .. nevermind, broken record.

    • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris

      “The Browns have to play smarter.

      I love how, once again, this asshole manages to deflect all blame from his idiotic blunders and place it on the players.

  • Brian Sipe

    If this team cannot at least be 8-8 in year 3 of Holmgren then the bust is official. Not sure you can tell how good Heckart is with Shurmur coaching

    • Hopwin

      I said it before and I will say it again:

      Next year isn’t year three. It is year one just like this year was. Last year was year one under Homgren, this was year one under Shurmur and next year is year one under whoever our new QB is.

      Have to keep the wheel spinning for the excuse machine.

  • Brian Sipe

    47 years ago today Browns were Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Anonymous

      Yes, and I was there. Great day to be a Browns fan!

      Gary Collins caught 3 TD passes, was named MVP & won a Corvette Stingray.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, and I was there. Great day to be a Browns fan!

      Gary Collins caught 3 TD passes, was named MVP & won a Corvette Stingray.

  • Dmontgomery

    Why is Holmgren still here. In 2010 Offense was 31st with 16.9 PPG. 30th in YPG @ 289.7. 2011 30th @ 13.9 PPG and 29th in YPG @ 292.1
    Daboll in 2011 21st PPG and 19th YPG.
    Mike please justify this. Your thoughts and theory do not work!!!!!

    • Anonymous

      What year is this?

      • Anonymous

        year one. perpetually forever.

    • Anonymous

      He’s essentially still getting started.

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