Far too late, and for one of the worst possible reasons, Tony Grossi is out as Plain Dealer Browns Beat Writer

by Cleveland Frowns on January 25, 2012

So it turns out that Mike Holmgren was serious about this “you’re either with us or you’re not” thing. Per Scene’s Vince Grzegorek: “Multiple sources tell Scene Tony Grossi is no longer the Browns beat writer for the Plain Dealer as of today.”

Last week, Grossi accidentally tweeted the following about Randy Lerner: “He is a pathetic figure, the most irrelevant billionaire in the world.” He has lost his post as a result of that.

He was in hot water with his editors and bosses at the PD over the inadvertent tweet, which displayed a huge bias, hatred even, toward the Browns’ owner.

There was an obvious question whether he could objectively continue to cover the beat, one which the Plain Dealer weighed in on today with the move.

Maybe someone at the PD might have gotten to this three years ago when Grossi introduced himself to Eric Mangini by foaming and cursing at him, or any time before that or after, as he worked an astonishing hatchet job on the last Browns coach. But as hard as it is not to connect the pathetic state of the Browns franchise over the last decade with the pathetic work of the top man whose job it is to shine a light on it, and for all the times that Grossi let “bias” and “hatred” infect his reporting, it’s depressing and telling that he wasn’t removed from his post until that bias and hatred found a most worthy target in Lerner.

Literally.

In a vacuum, Grossi’s long overdue removal would be an unqualified good, and we still have to think it’s for the best, but we also have to acknowledge the possibility that what ends up in Grossi’s place will be worse, especially if the PD’s hand was forced by the Browns organization. A festering bunker mentality in Berea is no less a concern with Grossi off of the beat, and we can only hope that whoever or whatever takes his place sees that it was Tony’s systemic dishonesty and unprofessionalism that really did him in in the end (we have to hope that’s what really did him in in the end and that the Lerner tweet was just the straw that broke the camel’s back). Maybe a more credible reporter keeps his job after a slip like this — a reporter who’d done the work to back up the ‘insult’ with the factual narrative that’s there to support it — but certainly not Grossi, or any reporter whose M.O. was to alternate between covering up for such an important subject and blurting insults at him to suit the reporter’s own convenience.

As much as there’s always something sad about somebody losing his job, the PD is a union shop, so it’ll probably be extremely hard for them to fire Grossi with him having been on the job for so long. Maybe they’ll read him his Branson Rights and send him to Cleveland.com’s Yarborough Country with the former Cavs beat writer. A new fishing and hunting buddy for D’Arcy Egan? There’s also a chance they could make him a columnist like Terry Pluto, Bill Livingston or Bud Shaw, in which case Grossi wouldn’t really lose his voice at all.

But wherever he ends up from here, it looks like he won’t be in the Browns facilities with any regularity in the near future after having dominated the beat for over 25 years, including the entirety of the historically embarrassing Lerner Era. That he hasn’t issued a tweet since his fateful slip of last Thursday helps to confirm Grzegorek’s report.

If you’re one who’s loathe to underestimate the impact of the interaction between the humans who play for and run the football team and the reporters who are in and out of team facilities every day, or if the concept of entropy otherwise means anything to you, you might well take this as good news. If you’re familiar at all with Grossi’s work and that of the Lerner Era Cleveland Browns, it’s impossible not to take this as good news; Not as a funeral bell for Grossi’s career (we hope and assume he’ll land on his feet somewhere, “what doesn’t kill you,” etc.) but as a long-deserved demotion from an important representative position in which he’s long shown he’s unfit to serve. Anyway, there are countless worse ways to go out than by taking a shot at an irresponsible billionaire. Nobody shouldn’t appreciate that.

  • Brian Sipe

    I gotta say it… I actually in some weird way will miss him. He is the devil I knew… though I disagreed with him 75% of the time he at least had opinions. Mary Kay is a mouthpiece for the team which is probably the way Holmgren and his crew like it…. Mangini, Grossi, I want to file a claim against the Browns for bias against Italians

    • Humboldt

      I think you guys on this site have turned Grossi into a bit of a bete noire, but appreciate the sentiment that you will miss him. Seems like one of those “don’t know what you got til you lose it” situations. Although he seemed to tip towards complacency in recent years, he had a deep knowledge of the team/NE Ohio region/league, and, as you say, was opinionated.

      As an aside, I worked at the PD on the NEXT section, which was written by high school students in the late ’90s. Grossi was encouraging of the young aspiring sports journalists in the section and mentored us a bit. Seemed like a genuinely good guy.

      • Anonymous

        “you guys on this site have turned Grossi into a bit of a bete noire,”

        Speak fucking English. you live in the USA, not France.

      • Anonymous

        Good Guy maybe, but definitely biased and can be snippy with the fans who ask honest questions. I do hope nwe aren’t left with a dry “mouthpiece” with no passion.

        Also, I’ll admit I had to look up bete noire. Merriam Webster gives the synonym of bugbear which I enjoy. Thanks for the education.

        • Bellh001

          Grossi got what was coming to him..He personally vilified Mangini because it suited him and he was allowed to by the PD..Hey Tony..karma is a b*t*h
          Good riddance!

  • Anonymous

    I agree that this is a good thing, but it doesn’t bode well for next beat writer if criticizing Lerner will get you fired.

    • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

      Criticizing is one thing, lobbing personal insults is quite another.

      • Jaceczko

        Agreed. “an pathetic figure. The most irrelevant billionaire in the world” is not criticism.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah you had to think some kind of reassignment was inevitable. Really that was the kind of public ad hominem that compromises your ability to do your job. I mean, presuming that Horsefish was doing any job in the first place. Which he really wasn’t for the most part, other than creating occasional fodder here. People have to think twice about sitting down with some lazy snidehead who does little but shout-whisper mean stuff about the boss (and gets caught at it!!), whoever that boss is.

    >>>acknowledge the possibility that what ends up in Grossi’s place will be worse>>>

    I guess theoretically, but that really is HIGHLY unlikely. Some Carucci yes man, or– god forbid — Mary Kay would even be preferable. At least then the organization would be talking and you could triangulate some truth an info, like when the Bushies were planting all that WMD stuff in the NYT. It’s pretty clear when that’s the case. Grossi was just an irritant producing nothing beyond that irritation. Good for the Browns, good for the PD, good for Cleveland!

    • kjn

      Thing is, Lerner isn’t his boss. He’s the owner of the team he reports on

      I’m no journalism student so I can’t speak on professional ethics, but I don’t personally think having (and vocalizing) a poor opinion of a team owner necessarily influences how someone reports on the team itself. (But I’m a HST fan for what it’s worth.) If it were an influence, Tony wouldn’t have been such an ardent defender of Mike and Company.

      Not sure what my point is exactly here…

      I guess it’s that Grossi didn’t get fired/demoted/whatever for being a hack or impartial. He got the ax for threatening the PD’s access (monopoly, really) to the Cleveland Browns. Basically, the PD sucks. Heaven forbid they give voice to an opinion that might upset the powerbrokers they sell for.

      • Anonymous

        >>>He got the ax for threatening the PD’s access (monopoly, really) to the Cleveland Browns.>>>

        Yeah that’s exactly right. But the fact is that cultivating access is a BIG part of a beat reporters job, maybe most of the job. While it’s not like Grossi was about to start doing any reporting anyway, and undoubtledly had already sabotaged the PD’s access with his preposterous antics around Mangini, there is no way an organization that is trying to gather and sell information can afford to employ someone who just did what he did to their source. I really can’t think of a nastier insult Grossi could have come up with. “Pathetic” and “irrelevant?” It was gratuitous and mean-spirited and not something you can really come back from.

        • kjn

          I agree.

          I just think it is okay for journalism to be, at times, insulting, gratuitous, and mean. I know that’s probably not a popular opinion.

          To quote HST on Nixon — “Some people will say that words like scum and rotten are wrong for Objective Journalism — which is true, but they miss the point…. he was able to slip through the cracks of Objective Journalism. You had to get Subjective to see Nixon clearly, and the shock of recognition was often painful.”

        • Humboldt

          The problem is that Grossi is right: Lerner has done nothing to disabuse us of the perception that he is a “pathetic” and “irrelevant” figure. It’s not as if Grossi made up some slanderous lie and promulgated it on Twitter. He gave voice to an empirically-grounded opinion that many of us share.

          I guess the depressing lesson is that you can’t speak truth to power without consequences.

          • Anonymous

            Again, had Grossi approached that angle with any kind of consistent journalistic rigor, it would have been a completely different story. Instead the unprofessionalism was just the straw that broke the camel’s back. The guy had it coming.

          • Humboldt

            Pete, I agree, and appreciate the insightful stories you’ve done on Lerner using your platform. Even so, I think we all have to admit that there was something pure, unfiltered, and emotionally gratifying about Grossi’s tweet.

            Spitting in the eye of an irresponsible billionaire is not the worst way for one to go out…

          • Anonymous

            “I think we all have to admit that there was something pure, unfiltered, and emotionally gratifying about Grossi’s tweet.

            Spitting in the eye of an irresponsible billionaire is not the worst way for one to go out…”

            Well put. I couldn’t agree more.

          • Anonymous

            OK so I basically stole that line to add to the end of the post for an important clarification. Thx.

        • Humboldt

          The problem is that Grossi is right: Lerner has done nothing to disabuse us of the perception that he is a “pathetic” and “irrelevant” figure. It’s not as if Grossi made up some slanderous lie and promulgated it on Twitter. He gave voice to an empirically-grounded opinion that many of us share.

          I guess the depressing lesson is that you can’t speak truth to power without consequences.

    • Anonymous

      “Really that was the kind of public ad hominem that compromises your ability to do your job.”

      Yes, but I’d like to think that a more credible reporter who backed the ad hom with the logical factual narrative that’s out there to support it would have been able survive this.

    • Anonymous

      “Really that was the kind of public ad hominem that compromises your ability to do your job.”

      Yes, but I’d like to think that a more credible reporter who backed the ad hom with the logical factual narrative that’s out there to support it would have been able survive this.

    • Anonymous

      “Really that was the kind of public ad hominem that compromises your ability to do your job.”

      Yes, but I’d like to think that a more credible reporter who backed the ad hom with the logical factual narrative that’s out there to support it would have been able survive this.

  • kjn

    Crazy thought: Tony Grossi was kicked off the Browns beat for not being enough of a company man.

    • Anonymous

      If that was true he would have been kicked off in 2009. He fights the organization now less than he ever has.

  • Davekolonich

    Sadly, this marks the zenith of Randy Lerner showing traits of being a strong-willed, decisive leader….along with Grossi giving an honest opinion that is not steeped in the language of sabotage.

  • Ben

    I can’t take this as good news Frowns. He was all good with all the crap and dishonest reporting through the years. And then he gets fired for criticizing the owner of the team. Don’t for one second think that his replacement will take this lesson for what it is, and act accordingly. This just guarantees that Grossi’s replacement will be even worse. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the new beat reporter has his contract with the PD negotiated by Bob LaMonte.

    • Ben

      Err, don’t for one second think his replacement *won’t* take this lesson for what it is.

  • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

    So Grossi shouldn’t be held liable for online activities, like the rest of the world is?

    Maybe we can blame his homeless, crack addicted, living-out-of-the-back-of-a-car mother for his actions?

    • Ben

      You should try posting a Stormfront. You might find the discussion more to your liking there.

    • Ben

      You should try posting a Stormfront. You might find the discussion more to your liking there.

      • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

        whoa there. easy now.
        holy smokes.

  • Brian Sipe

    I think it was Holmgren who was looking to get rid of Tony… “Tony was not with us” Holmgren would say…..

  • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

    Two things I see that are dominating the comments here that should be mentioned (one of them is mentioned in the post.)

    1) He didn’t criticize Lerner in his tweet. He flat out personally insulted the man in a completely idiotic, immature manner.

    2) Lerner didn’t have Grossi removed. The editors at the Plain Dealer did. My first point is completely tied to the second point.

    • Anonymous

      I wouldn’t be so sure about #2. You have no way of knowing that, and there’s plenty of reason to assume the PD would keep him on if the Browns would let them.

      • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

        I spoke to someone who works at the PD, and Joe Lull tweeted the same thing. I’d assume he knows someone there as well.

        I also heard one of the editors on The Fan this morning saying precisely the same thing.

        At any rate, maybe they can find someone who actually wants the job now. It became increasingly apparent that he didnt.

        • Anonymous

          I understand what the company line is, but I’m pretty sure it’s bullshit. People are reporting it both ways.

          • Anonymous

            In this case, there’s no way you would need orders from the Browns. Something that extreme and personal means you are publicly and permanently compromised. This would be like Tom Brokaw starting off the evening news with “Good Evening. I’ve always hated Ronald Regan’s guts. I think he’s a lying scum that can’t do anything right. Oh. Whoops, didn’t know the mike was on. Sorry RonRon. Oh well, now for the news…”

            He’s simply not employable after that.

          • Anonymous

            In this case, there’s no way you would need orders from the Browns. Something that extreme and personal means you are publicly and permanently compromised. This would be like Tom Brokaw starting off the evening news with “Good Evening. I’ve always hated Ronald Regan’s guts. I think he’s a lying scum that can’t do anything right. Oh. Whoops, didn’t know the mike was on. Sorry RonRon. Oh well, now for the news…”

            He’s simply not employable after that.

    • Anonymous

      this is exactly why people over 50 should not be tweeting from their cellphones. but even if he “personally insulted the man in a completely idiotic, immature manner”, being pulled from the beat after 27 years is way too extreme. he didn’t slander or anything like that, and he gets paid to give his opinion, so i agree with Frownie, and will go further that it is now even more obvious that their editors have been reading Frowns these past few years and twittergate was the straw that broke the camel’s back..

    • Anonymous

      this is exactly why people over 50 should not be tweeting from their cellphones. but even if he “personally insulted the man in a completely idiotic, immature manner”, being pulled from the beat after 27 years is way too extreme. he didn’t slander or anything like that, and he gets paid to give his opinion, so i agree with Frownie, and will go further that it is now even more obvious that their editors have been reading Frowns these past few years and twittergate was the straw that broke the camel’s back..

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FR2V63WQJPD6SUGUZXHVFEZBI darkjediknightmare

        He was pulled from the beat in 1990. He was reinstated after Al Lerner bought the team. Read my message above.

      • Anonymous

        I guess I’ll have to stop tweeting then. All 18 of my followers will be sooooo disappointed.

        Social media is just creating all kinds of problems, isn’t it? This could have happened 20 years ago if Twitter was around then.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FR2V63WQJPD6SUGUZXHVFEZBI darkjediknightmare

      Who cares? This is just like 21 years ago when Art Modell had Tony removed becuse he refused to reveal the name of his source when he reported that Bud Carson would be fired and replaced be Jim Shofner if the Browns kept on losing. Tell me I’m wrong…. I dare you.

      • Anonymous

        it’s not the same thing, that was just a misunderstanding by Modell, Tony didn’t publicly call Art a spoiled daddy’s boy did he? i mean, it’s not even close.. tony was not in the wrong back in 90, the editor screwed up. this was all tony’s doing this time, just like Weiner..

  • Anonymous

    Assign him to the Cavs…first order of business…log on to Twitter…copy/paste.

    This is what pushed the PD over the edge?

  • Anonymous

    this is basically like impeaching Bush for his auto bailout program.

    guy does something right and gets fired.

    fair result for the wrong reason.

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    [is brosef in antartica this week?]

  • http://twitter.com/SeanInColumbus Sean Pullins

    My thought is that it is a little ridiculous to reassign somebody over an accidental Tweet that he apologized for after covering the team for 27 years.

    But after reading some Twitter Experts thoughts, I have learned that nobody can ever make a mistake or they should be fired. So what do I know.

  • Anonymous

    Grossi wasn’t that bad. He seemed like a nice person. Whoever fired him was pandering to ownership. It’s a crummy way to go. Maybe the PD took lessons from the local judiciary or Bill Mason.

  • McSlain

    And yet as of 11:26PM, he is still on their website under Browns Beat.

  • stevewhitemd

    The hit job Grossi laid on Mangini included this one on January 22nd of 2011: that Mangini, while the Browns coach, was still loyal to the Jets, and that’s why he made the trades he did.

    That’s my candidate piece for worst cheap shot by a sports journalist ever.

    Whatever one thinks of Mangini (and I thought he was a pretty good coach in a lousy situation) the man bled brown and orange every single hour he was the head coach. To insinuate otherwise, the way Grossi did, should have gotten him fired then.

  • http://twitter.com/byRiverBurns River Burns

    “Ain’t heard a name, don’t even know if there was a why.”

    - Marlo Stansfield

    Look, I don’t really how or why it happened, I’m just glad it did indeed happen. He needed to go, and if the paper needed a last straw, I’m fine with whatever it was. With all of the yellow towels in Cleveland, it wouldn’t shock me to see the PD start another NFL beat; wouldn’t that just make Grossi’s day?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EFUG2PACUMJICJHNHPVZ2WRWGM Tsl Ink

      it’s a paranoid bs call by the pd…forced by the insecure, bully browns….even tho grossi was biased esp toward mangini…..here’s hoping espn hires him & sticks him back in berea

      • Anonymous

        Why would ESPN possibly hire a burnt hack like that? That’s flat nuts. Grossi’s only possible employment alternative is to somehow parley the tweet into becoming a figurehead for frustrated do-nothing-know-nothings ala “dawg pound mike.”

  • Martin Jacobs

    Cleveland fans are hardcore and passionate about the Browns, they deserve a reporter that feels the same way and actually wants to hear as much as possible about the team. It really sucks that Tony lost his job like this, but if he had done a better job or at least appeared to care a little more, then I don’t think this happens.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t care what the straw was, just so long as there was a straw. Personally, I believe he started greasing his own skids to this end with his Twitter account long before the tweet in question. His bitter, self-aggrandizing tweets were more infuriating and less professional than his better, self-aggrandizing Hey, Tony! columns.

    Media outlets use Twitter so that their consumers may gain some access to the ideas and opinions of those who report the stories. Grossi used his to ridicule the Browns and his own followers, and it got worse after the Homgren “with us/against us” presser. But once you launch a personal attack on the leader of the organization you’re supposed to objectively cover, your credibility is shot. The PD had no choice but to remove him. Trust me, there’s no paper that wouldn’t have.

    I will shed no tears over this. Although I’ve read a lot of “he told it like it was,” sentiment now, that’s not the case at all. His bias, his self-importance and his agendas seeped into almost everything he wrote. How hard is is to criticize an organization as unsuccessful as the Browns have been since 1999? He’s been against every move they make, but he’s never volunteered anything he’d actually be FOR.

    The world has a short attention span for men who spit on every proposed solution of others but have no actual proposals themselves.

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      a couple thousand likes on this.

    • Humboldt

      I don’t understand why people expect a beat reporter to be a paragon of objectivity. The media are also watchdogs and checks on the elite (i.e. people like Lerner or Holmgren who are vested with superior money and resources to manage a collective good).

      Further, to be biased about something isn’t necessarily to be wrong. I appreciated the strong opinions Grossi advanced, and found his Hey Tony column to be frank and edifying. I know many people on this site don’t agree, but I shared his dissatisfaction with the Mangini/Kokinis signing from the beginning, and found affinity with his continued critique.

      Lastly, I am by no means a “Grossi scholar”, but your last point about proposing no solutions is fatuous. Anyone who tracked the Hey Tony feature can tell you he strongly encouraged the organization to find a strong-armed franchise QB, build through the draft (using high picks), implement an offensive-oriented attack, etc.

      • Anonymous

        To your first point, there is an expectation of objectivity of anybody whose job it is to transmit facts. As a reporter, not a columnist, that is his job. Give me the facts and let me formulate my own opinion. Knowing what we know about his first meeting with Mangini, for example, it’s damn near impossible to read anything he ever wrote about the guy without a grain of salt. His bias may or may not have been wrong, but it certainly influenced the way an audience digests what he writes. In the case of Mangini, that bias went at least a step further, TG’s attempting to affect the outcome of the story rather than report it (his job).

        If he really strongly encouraged the organization to find a strong-armed QB (your words), then he was certainly attempting to affect an outcome! But I assume you meant something other than actually trying to communicate to the organization what to do (although that certainly would not be beyond his vast ego). The thing is, you probably advocate that. I advocate that. It’s not hard to say “They should get a franchise QB.” But whom?

        If a twitter follower mentions Flynn, he’s ridiculed. If a Hey, Tony! reader suggests drafting RGIII, it’s a bad idea. Luck’s an impossibility, Tannehill’s a former WR, Kolb’s another Cassel. If every seemingly plausible option is wrong, OK, Tondy, then where do they get the guy?

        *Crickets*

        The Browns need another receiver. But Blackmon is no good, Desean Jackson is a bad idea. Free agents never come here, they lost their receiver by trading out of the Julio Jones pick, blah, blah, blah.

        Full of opinions on what they SHOULDN’T do, but never an actual opinion on what they SHOULD do. That’s what I meant. He’s so narcissistic that he can’t risk being specific because specificity means possibly being wrong.

        And do you follow him on Twitter? Not only does he arrogantly denigrate anyone who might have an opinion he doesn’t share, he re-tweets it, as if he WANTS everybody to see how arrogant he is. It’s just been a disgusting last several years of this guy.

        • Max

          can we twitter bomb him? Stuff like “Hey Tony! What golf courses will you be playing while the Browns are in training camp this summer” or “Hey Tony! Do you still get to dress like Michael Corleone and play pundit on STO every week?”

          Maybe ESPN can hire him, and then have a new version of PTI with him and Coach Mangini, where Mangini can just show the world how little Grossi knows about football? That’d be awesome.

          • Humboldt

            I think in modern parlance you would be referred to as a “hater”

          • Max

            say what? we had to suffer through Grossi’s snark, condescension, and agenda for long enough. Directing some of the very same brand of humor back at him is fair play, in my estimation.

          • Max

            say what? we had to suffer through Grossi’s snark, condescension, and agenda for long enough. Directing some of the very same brand of humor back at him is fair play, in my estimation.

        • Humboldt

          “As a reporter, not a columnist, that is his job.”

          You do of course realize that he formally occupied both roles at the PD, right? It seems your criticism isn’t so much that he had opinions, but that the ones he tendered publicly differed from yours. For instance, had he backed Mangini and strenuously argued for why Holmgren should give him 5-years to establish his system you would have rallied behind him. I just want to make sure we’re defining the terms of the debate correctly here.

          • Anonymous

            You couldn’t be further off, and I don’t know how from my comments that you could infer my issues with him are over differences of opinion.

            And if you don’t see the problem with reporting — his primary role — that’s steeped with opinion, well, then you and I have differing opinions, which is fine.

            But then let me ask you this: If his formal role, as you put it, is both reporter and columnist and, therefore, opinion is his job, too, shouldn’t his opinions be limited to football? Does the venom displayed toward Lerner not seem personal? Did his initial confrontation with Mangini not seem unrelated to football?

            He makes no secret of the axes he has to grind, which has always made him less credible in his primary role, which is reporter.

          • Humboldt

            I’m not sure why you don’t consider his criticism of Lerner as a football issue. He was clearly making an ad hom attack, but in the context of how Lerner’s personal shortcomings have led to failed stewardship of the Browns. Like all reporters, Grossi wants to cover a winner, and Lerner’s ineptitude has mired the franchise in sub-mediocrity for a decade. This wears on reporters like it wears on us fans.

            As for his confrontation with Mangini, my understanding is that he was trying to establish a culture more friendly to reporters from the outset. I’m sure some ego was involved, but I’m also sure that Grossi’s motivation was also professional: he wanted to maintain as much access and openness as possible under the new regime (which came in with a less-than-stellar reputation w/ the media).

            So no, in neither case do I think you can say his actions were somehow totally divorced from his professional role.

          • Anonymous

            I believe there is a difference between criticism and insult, and the tweet in question was clearly the latter. Providing criticism can be done professionally, but resorting to insult was less-than-professional.

            It could be, though, that my expectation of professionalism in that role is too high. I do expect a modicum of objectivity from a print reporter at a large daily newspaper. I expect that person to be able to rise above that which, as you say, wears on us fans. Maybe I especially want that these days, when the blogosphere and talk radio supply more than enough “news” tinged by opinion and fan-dom (no offense to Peter).

            But I think Grossi, over the past few years, has pandered to that audience, attempting to pass off insults and personal bias off as “criticism.” It was tiresome after a while, and it caught up to him.

  • kjn

    A friend reminded me of this in regards to Lerner and his ability to influence local media.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2530067

  • kjn

    This may get interesting as this story gets national attention. Grossi was pretty well known, a HOF voter who probably has more than a few friends around the nation. I’ve only seen two stories from national press, but both have been sympathetic towards Grossi and critical of Lerner.

    Will press solidarity turn the national media against Lerner and the Browns?

    • Anonymous

      I dunno. I feel like the national media really only likes to pay attention to the Browns when the news is bad, so how much worse can they be?

      • kjn

        I’m thinking more of the way they present Lerner. The death of Al Davis has created a vaccuum. Dan Snyder can only fill so much of it.

        • Anonymous

          In that case, I am all about solidarity! Lerner is awful.

    • Anonymous

      i mean i think the national story line here is what is fair play on twitter. i tend to believe that the statement that tony wrote may have been drafted by PD editors, but he definitely agrees with it. especially with how much he ripped on players and some of the stuff they wrote on twitter. he made an unfortunate mistake by having too much red wine that night and made a technical error in operating his smartphone.. not really some conspiracy here, there are rules that are unwritten rules with beat writers, and he breached them.. if he was a columnist it may have been a little different story, but it is what it is.. he has a lot of connections for as long as he’s been around, i would be surprised if he doesn’t freelance for some other sites instead of sitting in the corner at the PD’s editor’s office, his italian pride might be too strong..

  • Lglegl97

    won’t miss him at all.

  • Jaceczko

    Hopefully the ranks of HOF voters, which include(d?) Grossi, will retain the same balance of Anti-Modellians after this.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FR2V63WQJPD6SUGUZXHVFEZBI darkjediknightmare

    Lerner needs to sell this team. He acts like he cares and cries foul if you bash him, much like Dan Snyder, who owns the Redskins. Maybe Dan Gilbert would have an interest in buying the Browns…..

  • Max

    while I welcome this news, I have to wonder if this is going to affect his status as a Hall voter, and as a result, prevent him from his (admirable) campaign to keep Art out of the Hall
    No matter what I thought of Grossi, keeping Art out of the Hall is worth something when examining Grossi’s time as the Browns PD beat man.

    • Jaceczko

      Agreed (as I said a couple hours before :) .

  • Timothyreynolds88

    I generally agreed with him on most of the key issues. I think this is a huge loss for the fans.

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    pro bowl lines are out, posted.

    NFC -4

    look sharp. game at 7pm sunday.

  • Ric Vohlers

    I’m familiar with his work and that of PD reporters back to Hal Lebovitz.
    I disagreed on many of Grossi’s positions, and agreed with most.
    His passion for the team was his strength.
    Out of the same frustration we have all felt since the last championship,
    Grossi made a mistake.
    That was no reason to fire him, and the stone silence of Holmgren on all issues coupled with his irrational anger at criticism are troubling.
    Lerner is not at fault; his father was not at fault for the Browns’ move.
    Lerner has had trouble finding someone to trust to run the franchise.
    Many teams have this problem.
    Scouting staffs, assistant coaching staffs, trainers, managers, do more to
    promote continued success than individual players.
    Steelers, Ravens, Giants, Packers, have continuity.
    Lerner is trying and doesn’t deserve the tirade.
    Grossi should be reinstated, and Holmgren should reach out or get out.

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