Friday Frowndup with More on Grossi, Getting Chilly and Your Cheddar Bay Pro Bowl Open Thread

by Cleveland Frowns on January 27, 2012

Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio has joined the ranks of a number of name brand sports journalists in mounting a defense of Tony Grossi, who was removed from the Plain Dealer’s Browns beat after having issued a tweet stating that Randy Lerner is “a pathetic figure … the most irrelevant billionaire in the world.” The defense put forth by Florio and the rest who’ve taken up the mantle for Grossi here (including, most noisily, WKNR’s Bruce Hooley*) boils down to two points: 1) Journalists should be allowed to publish “strong opinions” about the subjects they cover; and 2) Grossi’s tweet was issued accidentally, “the kind of mistake that could happen to anyone, and everyone should be entitled to the benefit of the doubt in a case like this.”

Right after the one-day-only Quicken Loans mortage re-fi special at The Hustler Club sponsored by Morton's Steakhouse, JoeBees and Nissan of North Olmsted

To the first point, only an idiot would disagree, but the problem is with viewing Grossi as a martyr for this particular cause. Again, there’s plenty of reason to think that a more credible reporter would have kept his job after a slip like this — a reporter who’d done the work to back up the “strong opinion” with the factual narrative that’s there to support it. But Grossi was the farthest thing from that. After three years at least without a negative word to print about Lerner, Grossi only turned when he realized at the end of last season that Lerner’s top man Mike Holmgren had as much disdain for him as anyone who’s ever been running the show in Berea.

Bad enough that this turn manifested itself in a 140-character personal insult and not anything that could be described as reasoned criticism, but even if Grossi could have survived such a slip in a vacuum, there’s plenty of reason to believe it was his systemic dishonesty and unprofessionalism that really did him in in the end, and that the Lerner tweet was just the straw that broke the camel’s back.

Florio shrugs this off much too easily, writing that: 

Some have suggested that the Twitter blunder provided the Plain Dealer with a vehicle for addressing pre-existing concerns regarding Grossi’s overall job performance.  Undercutting that theory was [PD managing editor Thom] Fladung’s assertion during the radio interview that Grossi is a “very good” and “very successful” beat writer.

What else was the PD supposed to say here? “The truth is it’s been years that this guy’s had no business being the top man on the Browns beat, but we never had the balls to do anything about it until the folks in Berea put the boot on our neck.” Of course.

And of course name brands like Florio and Hooley would rather not have to think that they too might be judged primarily on the quality of the content they create rather than the fact that they happen to have their hands on especially big megaphones. But when they completely ignore the quality of what’s been coming out of Grossi’s, their defense just comes off as the self-aggrandizing release of a foul nervous gas.

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We’ll be on 92.3 FM WFAN with Joe Lull tomorrow morning in the 11:00 hour to talk more about this. You can stream the broadcast live on the internet here.

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A good read on the subject by Gary Benz at The Cleveland Fan.

It’s actually odd for me to take up the banner for Grossi because I never felt like he was all that good of a beat writer to begin with. At this point in his career, and perhaps jaded by years of watching, to borrow a few choice words, pathetic and irrelevant football being played on the lakefront, Grossi became satisfied with perfunctory analysis and lazy reporting. His editors and audience alike yawned their indifference.

He was repeatedly scooped, like many Plain Dealer sports writers tend to be, by harder working reporters at smaller newspapers or, God forbid, bloggers. Perhaps his biggest flaw, though, was that he never had much interesting to say. My sense always was that he had readers because of his platform and not because of his talent.

Any of those would have been good enough reasons to can Grossi and you wouldn’t have heard a peep out of me. But the Plain Dealer, having tolerated his mediocrity for years, has long since lost the argument that Grossi should be fired now because he was lousy at his job.

Read the whole thing.

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And read about how Brad Childress is “close” to landing the Browns’ offensive coordinator position. If he does, he’ll be the sixth Bob LaMonte client to join the Browns staff.

Childress and [Browns head coach Pat] Shurmur spent seven years together on the Eagles staff under Andy Reid before Childress left to take over as head coach of the Vikings from 2006-10. Childress was the offensive coordinator in Philadelphia from 2003-05 when Pat Shurmur was quarterbacks coach there … . [He] did not call the plays under Reid in Philadelphia, but was on the staff for three consecutive NFC title games and a trip to the Super Bowl in 2004, [serving as] the quarterbacks coach from 1999-2002, as quarterback Donovan McNabb earned three of his six trips to the Pro Bowl.”

How lucky for Donovan McNabb to have been surrounded by so many geniuses while he was in his prime in Philly. He must thank his lucky stars every day. We’ll have more on Childress if/when he officially lands the job.

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Alright, the Cheddar Bay Pro Bowl open thread is here. The pick is worth one point and has to be posted here by noon. Also don’t forget that you have until noon on Monday to enter the Cheddar Bay Super Bowl contest for the chance to win a $40 Red Lobster gift card directly from Red Lobster itself. We’ll have a special Pro Bowl post up here by Sunday and don’t forget we’ll be on WFAN 92.3 tomorrow in the 11AM hour. Hope everyone’s weekend gets off to a decent start in the meantime.

  • http://twitter.com/SeanInColumbus Sean Pullins

    My prediction for the 7th LaMonte client is…… Former Colts GM Chris Polian for the personnel/scouting department.

    • Anonymous

      Fine by me on that.

  • http://twitter.com/BrownsForum Cleveland Browns

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po…wer-for-browns

    “The problem with Childress is his track record with offenses. In the eight years that Childress has been a head coach or offensive coordinator in the NFL, his offenses have ranked in the bottom half of the league five times.

    The disturbing part is he’s only been an NFL playcaller for one season. The result? The Vikings finished 23rd in yards and 26th in points (17.6 per game) in 2006 before Childress passed those duties over to offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell the next season. Childress didn’t call the plays in his three seasons as the Eagles’ offensive coordinator (Andy Reid held that role) and he didn’t call the plays in his final four seasons with the Vikings.”

    • http://twitter.com/lilOUmikey Michael Tricarichi

      How do we know he’ll be calling plays? The 3 Amigos (Shurmur, Heckert, Holmgren) haven’t come out to say that the new OC would definitely be calling the plays, only that Shurmur would be willing to give up the PC’ing if the opportunity arises.

      • Anonymous

        The guy who had lower-half offenses in 4 of his 7 years as a non-playcaller might not be calling plays?* Instead Shurmur could continue calling plays? YAY?

        *To be fair, I wouldn’t really turn my nose up at upper-half offenses 3 of the next 7 years at this point.

        • Anonymous

          early front runner for footnote of the year there.

          • Anonymous

            Child please. That’s not even haiku.

          • Anonymous

            I will try to up
            My effort level in the
            future and present.

          • Anonymous

            Horrible breaks. You can’t just count syllables and hit return. This is borderline racist. Get back to work.

          • Anonymous

            I am shamed, it is true. My thoughts on haiku are not those of an admirer. Still, I won’t change. Instead, rather pursue, the thoughts of a (real) poet on the subject of haiku:

            http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/178301

    • Anonymous

      Unfortunately, 23rd in yards and 26th in offense would still be an improvement for the Browns.

    • Anonymous

      that’s really sad.

    • Anonymous

      We need bup in here to cheer us up about “philosophical unity.”

      #TeamWheresBup?

      • Anonymous

        Sorry. I was so inspired by the hire I decided the Browns finally deserved a logo. It was hard to get the stripe right…

        • Anonymous

          Great, now I’ll be trying to get that song out of my head for the next 2 days.

  • Humboldt

    What if Tony Grossi signed Bob LaMonte as his new agent?

    /zen moment

  • Anonymous

    the apparent lack of interest in this topic amongst the typically prolific commenters here speaks volumes about the health of the plain dealer and the size of its one-time bully pulpit.

    lol. or maybe its just friday afternoon, and people are getting a jump on the weekend. have a good one.

  • The Cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugs

    It’s a brotherhood. Of course, all these media types stand up for one another… because they understand they are attacked by the real thinking, analysis, and commentary of the blog revolution.

    It’s sites like this (although, it’s obviously stretching it to say we have “great thinkers here) where the most real, unbiased discussion can take place. It’s flaw is that we lack the ability to have “insider information” and “full-view” camera angles, but we answer to no one but ourselves.

    If people don’t like it, you don’t get the page views or hits. These other writers enjoy the luxury of having an established forum, and any attempt to dislodge them from it is seen as an attack.

    I, for one, am supremely happy to see the end of the Tony Grossi era. And please, it’s not that I hold any discrimination against him for his views versus mine. I admit, I did disagree with him on lots of things. But rather, it was his inability to present the same passion for his position as a Browns writer that I presented in my position as a Browns fan.

    I hope more of his types go and more of our types stay!

    And get ready for this Super Bowl Essay… it will be epic…

    • The Cuuuuuuuuuuuugs

      Gosh, I suck at typing after a Friday of substituting Primary School P.E. class… so much for “great thinking”…

  • Bryan

    Mary Kay now reporting Childress is done deal. Christ. I guess we will see what more “philosophical unity” gets us.

  • http://twitter.com/BrownsForum Cleveland Browns

    Chilly has been hired.

    • Anonymous

      Major Dad.

      • kjn

        Seriously, I never put two and two together that Major Dad was in Simon & Simon.

        Great Santini > Major Dad

      • Anonymous

        It’s like Mr. Burns and Ned Flanders had a baby…

  • Ess_Eh

    We’re in good hands with the “Bobfather”

  • http://twitter.com/SeanInColumbus Sean Pullins

    Great job by LaMonte, he got Chilly hired and Chilly doesn’t even have to call the plays.

    • http://twitter.com/musicman06 Chris Music

      Anyone know how I can get an in with LaMonte Industries?? I’d love to get paid at least 500K to wear a Browns shirt/coat with khakis and have my thumbs up my ass on the sideline/up in the booth for 16 Sundays this year!

      • Anonymous

        Ask Pat.

  • kjn

    I’m just spitballing here, but it kind of seems to me that maybe Grossi was tired with this all and was looking for a way out of the PD? I mean, the claim was that he meant to tweet in response to a fan, right? If that were the case, you’re telling me that it still wouldn’t have gotten out?

    As it went, Grossi gets to be a martyr on a national level and in the eyes of many fans. What better way to erase the last few years of lazy journalism?

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      i am of the opinion that the PD did him a favor. he wasnt happy, whether he knew it or not. but he wasnt going to quit… so his subconscious took over and made the decision.

      i expect he’ll open a chain of tanning centers and never look back.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t think so. Nothing better for Grossi than a job where he can write nothing…make it all opinion based…and still get paid

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    brace yourself for a barrage of ‘Chilly right man for the job’ articles from MKC.

    speaking of MKC, someone below said ‘Mary Kay now reporting Childress is done deal.’ child please. you got to know by now, MKC is reporting that someone else who actually works in the football world is reporting the Childress was hired. jason la canfora in this case.

    • kjn

      lol

      owning a tv that gets the nfl network is the prime req for PD reporters

      • Anonymous

        Exhibit A in Bupalos v. Platonic Idea of Beat Reporter. Don’t blame MKC. It’s just an anachronistic position.

  • Anonymous

    Hustler club: Where the LAAAAAAAPDAAAAANCES are so good!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Spent all day trying to think of the bright side of Childress…

    It is very important to have an interim coach with previous NFL experience when Shurmur gets fired in week 10.

    Then I realized we have Jauron.

    Then I headed to the liquor cabinet.

    So we hired an OC who may or may not call the plays who never really called any of the plays in any of his previous jobs but he has the right agent.

    Despite all of this I can’t wait for the draft…can’t wait for the schedule release…can’t wait for the opener.

    • Anonymous

      >>>Spent all day trying to think of the bright side of Childress…>>>
      >>>Then I headed to the liquor cabinet. >>>

      Well there you go. Answered your own question.

  • Anonymous

    Btw Frownie, I hope you’ll risk self-aggrandizement enough to make the point that for a whole lot of people, these megaphone-holders that fall all over themselves to defend turf are already irrelevant. I swear to god, if not for ricochet effect here and on a couple other slightly less fabulous independent outlets, I wouldn”t even remember who Tony Grossi was.

    Team beat reporter is an obsolete position and has been for years.

  • Brian Sipe

    So let me get this straight…

    We take the Eagles pretend GM in Heckart since Reid did the picks
    We take their pretend O Cord since Reid called the plays
    Our D cord was not even their D cord but rather their DB coach
    and our coach was their QB coach…

    LAUGHABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    So, new uniforms for next season. People are sick of the white on white. And maybe a nice chia-fuzz on the helmets in honor of our new mascot.

  • jpftribe

    Complaining about the Childress hire is like complaining about the heat in a Florida summer. Who else was going to come and work for Shurmur? There’s a reason they couldn’t find a guy last year, and it certainly wasn’t a lack of qualified candidates.

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    I’ll take the AFC +4 for Cheddar.

  • Anonymous

    Had to break radio silence to make two points:

    First, the defense from Tony’s companions in the media comes across as very similar to the way Steeler fans defend James Harrison.

    The rules of the game are changing, but how can poor Tony ever be expected to adjust? Of course, everyone else can figure out Twitter and the new rules (seriously, how hard is it really?) but apparently Tony only knows one way.

    And, just like Harrison learned, there are consequences for your actions.

    Second, almost fell out of my chair when I saw the Joe Cowley tweet. We were best friends at Kent State (Joe was in my wedding party) and he’s gone on to good things in Chicago. Worth a follow if you are aren’t already following him.

  • zarathustra

    I of course celebrated when I heard the news that Grossi had been fired. Then I started feeling guilty about celebrating in the misfortune of others. Then I thought about his apparent lack of skill as a writer, the poor analytical ability, and the laziness that permeates through everything he does and realized that the poor fucker probably doesn’t have any job prospects. I was genuinely sad for him. Then I read his passive voice apology where “a comment was attributed to his twitter account” and didn’t feel so bad. Then I heard about the bullshit that it was a small mistake and remembered exactly the kind of person Tony is so I once again celebrated.
    Now, every cynical journalist out there becomes gullible and believes the small nonsense because it is convenient to the heroic journalist narrative they have nurtured in their head since j school. And then there is the total sadness that anyone defends grossi on the basis of free speech. My understanding is that the first ammendment gives us the right to freely express ourselves without consequence from the GOVERNMENT.
    Anyway, I’ve gone on too long.
    NFC over AFC
    Because the NFC always seems to win this game and the have the better skill position players and that is all that matters in a game like this.

    • zarathustra

      Damn phone auto-corrected small for dm

  • Ray in Bath

    Tony Grossi began his lopsided reporting in the Belichick years, and sunk to new depths with Mangini. Good riddence. I despise any writer or idiotic talk show host who thinks he is above the reader or listener (Shaw, Brinda and the ilk). Oh and by the way, YOU DON’T SPEAK FOR ME OR ANY OTHER REASONABLY THINKING FAN.

  • Anonymous

    Good luck to Grossi in the future, I wish ill on no man (unless they wave a yellow towel).

    Childress hire sickens me. Browns article featuring the hire list his tenure and various accomplishments within those tenures, but fails to elaborate that thos accomplishmens are NOT a direct result of his contributions. So basically more smoke and mirrors from Berea.

    The really really sad thing about all of this is that I am sure if any of us were in (Lamonte Industries) position we would do the same, plugging nepotism and cronyism to the fullest extent allowable under the watch of a “pathetic and irrelevant” boss. Lerner deserves this bullshit, but the Browns fans do not.

  • Anonymous

    I goofed and sent my ProBowl pick to the biscuit boys email. Here it is.

    NFC

    I have never seen, nor will I ever see, a Pro Bowl. I don’t even know what goes on there, but I’d venture that the Twitter feed will be far more entertaining. I’d rather watch a Brown’s walk-through on Wednesdays in September. Or maybe even a WNBA game. Well, the inside of my own eyelids sounds better right now.

    So at least the NFC has all their starters, including a butt-load of Packers (Kuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhnnnnn!!!!!!!) Half the AFC starters won’t show, but how lovely that the Steelers and Ravens can frolic in paradise -Ben will probably be getting lei’d before, during, and after the game. Ew. Pass the Mornidine.

    I think I’d rather watch them all play charity poker, or anything other than football, because it’s just silly and embarassing and indulgent. Why not Pro-Bowl Jeopardy? Is Will Farrell available? Actually would love to see them put in some work for Habitat for Humanity, or a football camp for underprivileged kids. Now that would be worth watching.

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