Confirmed: Forbes Magazine has absolutely no idea what “miserable” means (and much worse)

by Cleveland Frowns on February 29, 2012

Some folks will say we’re doing exactly what Forbes wants us to do by writing about this, but so what? When you hold yourself out as a credible publisher of non-fictional content, and make what you hold out as a non-fictional list of “America’s most miserable sports cities” and not only fail to put Cleveland at the top of the list, but rank it number 8, you confirm that you are actually not a credible publisher of non-fictional content, but really just a pack of sociopaths that self-interestedly acts to encourage people to believe, debate, discuss, consider or otherwise pay any attention at all to a proposition that’s so far removed from reality in such a way as to be completely regressive.* Put another way, Forbes is just digging its own grave by publishing malicious lies like this, and all we’re doing with this post is helping pour concrete on top of it. If that’s really what the folks at Forbes want us to do, then fine, but we’re obliged to do it either way.

Just like we’d report if somebody was going around our neighborhood kicking puppies and molesting children or whomever, of course. If “U MAD?” was a valid response to everything that might be described as trolling there wouldn’t be any such thing as civilization. Really, what is wrong with people? How is a publication like this even allowed to exist? It’s all almost enough to make a person start to think that anyone who spends any significant effort following these sports leagues is actually an irredeemable sociopath himself, but we’re not quite there yet.

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*Every Cleveland sports fan knows, and everyone who isn’t an irredeemable sociopath can surely relate to the fact that the worst thing about a city not having won a championship in any real sport since 1964 despite having active teams in all the real sports leagues since then is the times after one of our teams gets close then collapses, when we have to see our grandparents, parents or whatever old people we love for the first time after the latest collapse, and have to have that moment (unspoken or not) where it’s like, “we really might not see this thing happen before you die.”** Not just ten or twenty years, but almost fifty. And again not just one team, but a whole city of teams. When it comes to sports at least for sure, there’s absolutely nothing worse, and anybody who doesn’t understand this and/or publishes non-fictional lists that fail to account for it should at least be not allowed to hold themselves out as credible publishers of anything, if not have concrete poured on top of them. Only the worst sociopaths would question this for a millisecond. The best we can assume of the folks at Forbes is that they haven’t thought about it for even that long.

**Well deserved, but no less miserable at all.

  • 910Derp

    No room for RedRight88? Without a doubt the most disturbing series of images I’ve ever seen. I’m a little sick now.

    • Anonymous

      Post fixed.

      • Anonymous

        Bob Hope sang “Thanks for the Memories”

        “Of lingerie and lace, Pilsner by the case”

        Those are memories that one will wish to remember.

        But Frownie please….
        COOL IT with the “Cleveland the Land of Futility” pictures.

  • Anonymous

    Just posted this on yesterday’s thread, seems appropriate for today’s:

    http://www.brownpapertickets.com/event/220407

    Field Trip?

    • Anonymous

      Field trip and play review.

  • http://twitter.com/lilOUmikey Michael Tricarichi

    Just here to show myself as 1/2 of the most miserable sports fans from 2010 (I’m in the D-West jersey) http://www.forbes.com/2011/02/02/stockton-miami-cleveland-business-washington-miserable-cities_slide_11.html

    • Anonymous

      Wow. You’re a bona fide avatar of misery.

  • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

    Here, just in case you didn’t have enough concrete.

    • 910Derp

      Needs more 1995.

      • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

        Fine, have it your way.

        (edit: oops, i missed the Sandy / Marlins up top. Sorry about the duplicate concrete.)

        • 910Derp

          fantastic!
          *gunshot*

      • Anonymous

        Disagree that 1995 goes here. The Braves were heavily favored, and dominated the Series. More importantly, the Tribe was on the up, you knew they were going to get back. Plus just getting there was such a release. The whole thing was orders of magnitude less heartbreaking than everything else up here.

        • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

          I was 16 years old, and thought the Indians were bulletproof. Disirregardless of the national pundits thinking that a 100-win Indians team was an underdog to a 90-win Braves team, that still hurt as much as anything else I witnessed in my life.

          • Anonymous

            I have all kinds of empathy for your 16 year old self but that 95 loss was just objectively less heartbreaking than all of the rest of these. I think Simmons calculated a stomach punch/nuthammer metric that conclusively proves this.

          • Anonymous

            Compared to the pictorial history of agony you put together I’d agree that the 95 Indians is objectively the least heartbreaking memory. I think the reason for this is that it lacks, compared to the others, that signature moment that felt like George Foreman using your balls as a punching bag. They lost, and seeing the Braves celebrate was terrible (at least it wasn’t at Jacobs Field), but there is no historical title for this. Not “The Drive” or “The Decision”, etc. All I can come up with for 1995 is “The shitty end to the year I thought the Tribe was going to win the World Series”. But it feels a bit like arguing about who is the tallest dwarf. In the history of Cleveland misery it still has its place.

          • Anonymous

            I think it’s closer to the Cavs 2007 Finals loss than it is to anything pictured here.

        • Anonymous

          fair points…but that 100-44 season was just so amazing that it really should have only ended one way.

          wahoo i suppose.

          which reminds me: you really shouldnt be claiming Dolan the best owner when he holds the power to banish Wahoo tomorrow….but he refuses….and as you note, it infects all other teams….so really based on your grounded wahoo theory, Dolan is the worst person in Cleveland

          • Anonymous

            Man, those Braves were so good. Maybe it’s just me but I never got my hopes up for that one.

            That’s a good point re: Dolan, and I might change my rankings if I thought that Gilbert or Lerner would do anything different re: Wahoo.

          • kjn

            I’d like to think that the introduction of the script “I” and block “C” caps have been part of a long-term, slow-play to phase out the Chief.

            Considering how your average Clevelander feels about Wahoo and Dolan: get rid of the Chief and Jacobs Field might be stormed like the Bastille.

          • Anonymous

            It would be nothing like the Bastille because the forces of good would be on the Jacobs’s side if they did that. Let the barbarians storm and be crushed. The sooner the better.

          • kjn

            I got to the end of the sentence and couldn’t think of anything else that had been stormed. Well, the beaches of Normandy popped into my head, but that runs into the same problem.

  • Anonymous

    I figured you would have this up yesterday. I knew the article was bs when it had Atlanta on there for early playoff exits by the Falcons, and a late season collapse by the Braves. Boohooo Atlanta you only have your 1995 World Series Championship, 15 (or whatever the number is) years in a row of winning their division in baseball, and numerous appearances in the playoffs and one Super Bowl.

    I’m surprised NY didn’t make the list because of the Knicks being so shitty and for all the championships they haven’t won over the years.

  • Anonymous

    What a depressing montage of Pictures.

  • Anonymous

    God, I hope we don’t have to add “The Draft” as the latest chapter of the story. As in, we pass on you-know-who, and he does you-know-what and takes his team you-know-where.

    At least we’ll be back on top the list.

    • Anonymous

      I thought Grossi has already reserved that title for 2009?

      Less facetiously, the Browns regularly miss the best players in the draft so often I don’t know if any one draft could be “The Draft”… It’s just “The Browns”.

      • Anonymous

        Exactly.

      • Anonymous

        Obviously. But when’s the last time a top-of-the-line sure thing was there for the taking?

        • Anonymous

          Well, it may just be foggy memory, but I thought Tim Couch was hyped up to this extent. Also Joe Thomas – but the Browns got that one right, so maybe the Browns have a 50% chance of hitting on sure things? We’ll see. I’m actually sort of optimistic that Heckert won’t blow this.

        • Anonymous

          Absolutely and unequivocally never.

          There never has been a “sure thing” and there never will be.

          • Anonymous

            But I got the “funny in the tummy” feeling when I watched him at the combine. Good enough for me.

          • Anonymous

            Could it have been the extra butter flavored stuff on your popcorn, or perhaps love at first site.
            I thought he was terrific at the combine as well, but you play to win the game.

    • http://twitter.com/jakesav Jake Savage

      “The Draft” already is a chapter and the wound is reopened every year. Even the “old” Browns drafted terribly.

      The list is silly, Atlanta lost a team it didn’t care about, sure, but they’ve won a championship in the past 15 years. Also, isn’t there some precedent for the fans having to care? There isn’t a city that overall cares LESS about its sports than Atlanta.

      • Believelander

        I think Miami might top it.

        • Anonymous

          I do love the avatar, Believe’r.

          • Anonymous

            RGthreev’rBelieve’r.

          • Believelander

            RG3 gives me something to believe, for 57 more days.

            The Bravery’s song Believe encapsulates my entire existence as a Cleveland sports fan.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP8TAvQetyo

          • Believelander

            Credit to WFNY for the pimpalicious photoshop.

          • Anonymous

            It is a thing of beauty.

    • Anonymous

      CLTIL,
      Are you on board with p_4 on this RG3 bandwagon?

      p_4 has taken the reigns of the “RG3 Temperance Wagon” and she has made Carry Nation look demure by comparison.

      I like RG3, he is fast, he interviews well, but he does not pass the eye test for me.
      He does not use his speed like a football star.
      He is not a naturally elusive runner.
      He has the guts to stand in the pocket, but he is not evasive of the rush with more subtle moves like an experienced QB.
      Peyton Manning is a good example, he can step up, side step, or just move outside the tackle box and fling the ball out of bounds.
      I am certainly not an expert on football, or a professional at evaluating talent, but….
      I shall throw my respective oar in the water anyway.
      I hope RG3 will be a terrific player in the NFL, I like the way he throws the ball, but he is not a solid top 5 pick.

      • Anonymous

        100% on that wagon. 103%. I’m not getting any younger over here.

      • Anonymous

        i don’t doubt that he is a “solid top 5 pick”, just not sure he’s a solid #4, 22, 36 and next year’s #1 and possibly 2nd round pickl, or whatever the last most likely smokescreen rumor was..

        as far as all the things he’s not, i don’t believe Peyton Manning came into the league with the ability to “step up, side step, or just move outside the tackle box and fling the ball out of bounds”. that took a few years of development for him to refine. it seems likely that wherever RG3 ends up, he will be coached up on several areas of his game and hopefully for his and whichever team that drafts him sake, he’ll make some solid progressions year after year.. notwithstanding the fact that it’s extremely rare that a rookie QB comes in and dominates. as historic of a season Cam had, he’d be the first to say that he has plenty of areas to improve on.. (22 turnovers, 35 times sacked)

  • Jim

    When the teams that I root for inevitably let me down, I have always been able to fall back upon the fact that at least my city is number one in something; the most miserable sports city.

    Now Forbes Magazine comes along and takes away even that most dubious of honors.

    • Anonymous

      There is a special place in hell reserved for these people.

      • Anonymous

        “There is a special place in hell reserved for these people.”

        Strongsville?

        • Anonymous

          No way these people get to go to Strongs Vegas. Forget it.

  • http://www.davidaarnott.com/ David A.

    http://www.forbes.com/2007/03/02/sports-greatest-gms-biz-cz_jg_0302gms.html Just to be clear, Forbes has a history of weirdly shoddy sports pieces. This is probably the most infamous post, in which a former WNYU Cheap Seats staffer had a hand in proclaiming Kevin McHale the Best General Manager in American Major League Sports.

    • 910Derp

      Well, Boston voted him a playoff share for the Garnett trade…

    • Anonymous

      he’s doin heckuva coaching job down in Houston though.. least talked about storyline in the NBA..

      • http://www.davidaarnott.com/ David A.

        As a coach with Minny he was actually pretty good, given the talent on hand. As a GM? Horrific in every way.

  • Anonymous

    lol we are ranked just *behind* (as in we are less miserable than) denver (not that denver has anything at all to do with our sports misery).

    • kjn

      AKA a city with two Superbowls wins, 6 AFC Conference championships, and one trip to the WS… all since ’77.

      How miserable they must be.

      • Perry

        Two Stanley Cups too, if anyone cares to count hockey.

  • Anonymous

    My grandmother passed away in 2008. I watched game 6 of the ALCS from the nursing home that she was at. You want to feel pain you sit in that room Forbes. The sad part is that they felt bad for me while telling me stories about 1948.

    One day our time will come and if you expect me to act classy forget it. I can’t wait.

  • http://www.redright88.com/ TitusPullo94

    As long as we are feeling the misery today, it’s always a treat to see some of your favorite Cleveland athletes in other uniforms.

  • Believelander

    Time to break out the Mad Dog 20/20 strawberry banana. When you’re the most miserable sports city in the country continent world solar system galaxy ….universe, then get your recognition for the accomplishment yoked from you, there’s nothing for it except horrible $7-at-the-local-gas-station hooch that tastes like licking a battery and makes you wonder why you don’t just smash the end of the bottle and stick it in your chest.

    New avatar from now until April 26. 57 days until the SUPER BOWL IN CLEVELAND!!!!

    http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp122/Sensei322/Baylor/RG3_DosEquis-1.jpg

    • Anonymous

      Triple like for strawberry banana Mad Dog.

      #parched

      • Believelander

        Strawberry banana MD 20/20: the only drink that turns #parched into #moreparchedplusdepressedwithaheadache.

        • Anonymous

          #changewecanbelievein

      • Believelander

        I wonder if someone can photoshop that photoshop of RG3 as the Most Interesting Man in the World and cover those horrid Dos Equis with a couple of two-thirds full bottles of MD 20/20.

        • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

          People might get the wrong idea about that one.

  • Anonymous

    in unrelated yet also heartbreaking news, there has to be room at the frownie inn for delonte, right?

    http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/article_external/delonte_west_slept_in_the_mavs_locker_room_this_season_because_he_was_homeless/10168093

    • Anonymous

      I was so sure that was going to be today’s post. Well, that and Albert Belle.

  • Believelander

    On a more positive note, for anyone unsure about whether the Browns should draft Robert Griffin III, ESPN superanalyst and future NFL head coach Eric Mangini opined on the Browns situation, when asked what price would be too high for the Baylor Bear, and stated that, if the Brain Trust believes that RGIII is a franchise quarterback, then no price is too high.

    On a more negative note, the Brain Trust doesn’t seem to have a track record of listening to what Eric Mangini says, so I don’t know how far this is going to get us.

  • Believelander
    • Anonymous

      i have been more of a fence-sitter, but it convinced me.

      key point: signing Flynn will cost a lot more $ and cap space than RG3. So they can now just use that cap space on free agency.

      if only i was confident in Holmgren….

      • Believelander

        That is a big problem. I hope Holmgren is reading this site to understand how foolish he would be not to pull the trigger.

        There was a perspective on the ‘paying too much for RGIII’ thing that sold me that a radio commenter brought up yesterday:

        The Colts have probably got more needs than the Brownies. Jeff Saturday is ancient. The rest of their line is ??? (Costanzo? Who knows). Garcon is gone. Wayne is old. Their defense is more porous than the Browns. They were 2-14 for a reason (mainly because there were 2 teams that had a bad enough game that the Colts weren’t 0-16). Peyton Manning is done. They have more holes than we do, which is flabbergasting.

        The point? They are taking exactly the same ‘risk’ in signing Andrew Luck as the Browns would in trading up to sign RG3. “But Hans,” you say, “the Colts don’t have to give up picks they HAVE to do so!”

        Ah, but it’s not about ‘picks’. Picks are assets. Picks have relative value. The first pick in this draft is worth infinitely more than the first pick in, say, 2010, because, why? Sam Bradford can’t hang off of Andrew Luck’s left…nevermind.

        The Colts will be doing the EXACT same thing the Browns would do by taking Andrew Luck. They will be surrendering the rights to Lord only knows how many draft picks (5? 6? 8? How many first rounders do you think Dan Snyder would trade for Andrew Luck? 5?) in order to make him their franchise quarterback. Why? Because franchise quarterback is the NUMBER ONE REQUIRED ASSET in a championship contender in the NFL.

        The Browns would be flaming stupid not to trade up when no other team can even begin to compete with Cleveland. Not even Dan Snyder. Is he going to give the Rams 5 consecutive 1st rounders, starting with the swap this year, to get it? Their first-rounder next year is more valued like a high second rounder. The 2014 one is even less valuable. Our #22 pick probably blows the combination of those two first-rounders out of the water, or at least stacks up favorably when you lend it the extra weight that #4 has over #6 this season.

        Honestly, people talk about not tipping your hands? If I was Holmgren, I would call Dan Snyder and say, “I’m not getting into a pissing match with you, but I want to save draft picks, so I am going to do you a huge favor and tell you that you cannot outbid us to get RGIII unless you sell the St. Louis Rams your franchise for the guy.” Make it known to him in no uncertain terms that they should start analyzing Tannehill or look at Flynn or Manning or Kolb. It would be doing the Skins a favor, and the Browns a favor. Just not the Rams.

        The Dolphins? They’re at #8. Once Blackmon, Claiborne, and Kalil are off the board the rest of the prospect status takes a hit in comparison to those three, the same way those 3 aren’t on the same prospect level as Griffin and Luck. They have even less ammo to get into a shootout with the Browns in a bidding war. Also, they’re definitively better than Washington, and would be FAR superior to Washington with a franchise QB, so their next-year picks extrapolate even more poorly than the Skins, and much worse than our own.

        The point? Tom Heckert bent Atlanta over the barrel 1 year ago and ended up with a defensive tackle who had an overall surprisingly effective rookie campaign. Not only did he do that, he is now playing with their monopoly money and the Browns just landed on Boardwalk. They don’t get the deed for free, but they now have 2/3rds of the pink and yellow dollars just from what the Falcons gave them. Everyone who doesn’t want to make this move now, needs to understand this:

        EVEN IF YOU ARE A TERRIBLE TEAM FOR TEN STRAIGHT YEARS, YOU ARE NOT GUARANTEED A LEGITIMATE SHOT AT A FRANCHISE QB PROSPECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE.

        See Lions, Detroit; Harrington, Joey.
        See Rams, St. Louis; Stafford, Matthew.
        See Jets, New York; Sanchez, Mark.

        SEE BROWNS, CLEVELAND: COUCH, TIM.

        Yes, they could have had McNabb.

        No, you couldn’t guarantee McNabb would be better.

        And RGIII could not be as good. But honestly, do we really believe that? I looked at all 41 QBs drafted in the top 5 picks since 1970 (43 if you count Steve Young and Bernie Bernie in their supplementals), and not one of them came into the league with a more complete repertoire as a prospect than he has. Not one has ever had the combination of smarts, athleticism, arm strength, accuracy, charisma, work ethic, and personality.

        Never.

        Could he be a bust? Sure. Could he break his leg during training camp? Yeah. Is it going to happen? Who knows? The entire Browns team could die in a plane crash. Should we not draft the 3-4 guys we would get instead of Griffin because of that possibility?

        If we want to build an offense, we need a legitimate guy to build it around. RG3 is probably not going to be any worse than good. Would 4 high picks be a disappointment if all you get is a good starter? Yes. But could the Browns still win a Super Bowl despite that disappointment? (see, 2007 New York Giants with Eli Manning, good but not yet nearly an elite quarterback).

        Yes they could.

        Can they if we stay the course and keep putting up 13.x points per game? Sure, but what are the odds?

        • Anonymous

          great stuff.

          concerns all go back to Holmgren. i get no sense of urgency from him, such as the urgency you explained in your comment. and without that urgency, he can just as well sit back and add a few more decent players and turn this team into a team a decent playoff competitor with no real hope of winning a super bowl.

          and if he plays it safe and avoids RG3 safe and he can say “hey, i got you back to playoff level….now i gotta go because i am old and these blood pressure pills can only do so much to combat smoking and obesity”

          but maybe he is going to prove us wrong. we have to hope so.

          • Anonymous

            you get no sense of urgency from him? didn’t know you were such a close confidant of the Big Show.. so if he acted all huffy and puffy in his press conferences you would be less concerned??

            it’s pretty clear that the guy knows that you need an elite QB to win, and win big in this league. he obviously came into a situation with not much to work with QB-wise, you can have all the sense of urgency in the world and you’re not going to get a franchise QB just by revelaing said urgency to the fan base in a once in a couple month press conference or radio spot in Seattle. there really wasn’t much he could do trade, free agency, draft wise in the 2 years he’s been here, so we’ll see what they do when they have a legit shot to go get a franchise QB..

          • Believelander

            I hope to God, Allah, Krishna, Jesus, Mary, and Joseph that you’re right. I feel sometimes like I’m making too big a deal of going to get this franchise prospect. I fully acknowledge, though, that he could bust and bust bad.

            But you hit on my feelings in your last sentence. RIGHT NOW we have the ability to go get a franchise prospect. No, not a franchise prospect. Sam Bradford is a franchise prospect. Much like Luck, people will be shocked if RG3 isn’t the minimum to be a franchise-level QB (Matt Schaub, Joe Flacco). We have the ability to go get a SUPERSTUD prospect. And that chance may not come around again for another 20 years, where the talent was so blindingly obvious and all we had to do was take a leap of faith.

            So I really, really hope you’re right. If you are, I might get a TINY eensie weensie In Holmgren We Trust flag. REALLY small. Like the ones that stick out of hamburgers at those cheesy restaurants. But it’ll be waving.

          • Anonymous

            yeah being the gambling degenerate that i am, i’m always weary of the “sure thing” i.e “superstud prospect”.

            we shall see what we do, and then how he fares in the NFL against much more complex schemes and playing against much bigger faster, stronger guys on a weekly basis. not to mention as you said, the risk of injury.. especially with the wahoo curse and all..

            those are all things that concerns me when you put all your eggs in one basket. it seems to me that while it may cost more financially to go after Flynn, we at least can still address the many other areas of glaring needs with the 3-5 picks it seems we’ll have to give up for RG3.

          • Anonymous

            yes, if he spoke with urgency at his press conferences I would be less concerned.

            as far as it being “clear” we need an elite QB, its pretty simple: if he sticks with Colt McCoy you are wrong. as i said, we have to hope he proves my skepticism wrong.

          • Anonymous

            showing urgency at press conferences seems pretty pointless to me, and somewhat fake. although his defensiveness at times certainly shows his competitiveness, which to me demonstrates that he wants to win. the bottom line is the proof is in the pudding, a guy can slam his fist at the podium or be the most urgent sounding president of a team in the world, doesn’t mean a thing unless the team wins.

            and again i’d be more interested in seeing how he is around berea, not the .0001% of his time on the job in front of the media.

          • Believelander

            And daquiris. Daquiris are really rough on the blood pressure. Ask Pat. He has to fetch them.

          • eldaveablo

            Let’s also keep in mind that while seeing a sense of urgency would give us peace of mind, it also adds leverage to the Rams’ negotiating position.

            There’s plenty of time to show urgency, but losing leverage doesn’t do anyone any good. In a lot of ways this is a game of chicken, and flinching now could be a disaster.

        • Anonymous

          Holy balls. You put a lot of effort into that, and it was worth it. Epic.

          • Believelander

            It was so epic, nobody noticed me reference the Rams drafting Matthew Stafford. When I noticed it I was surprised that Biki didn’t bust my guts about it a little bit. But I appreciate it. Sometimes you just really really really feel really hopeful about something. And while I will be mortified if we (somehow) get this kid and he busts, I would not hold it against Tom Heckert/Mike Holmgren. 0%. Because it will still have been the logical choice. I can’t on one hand defend Mangini/Kokinis for drafting Brian Robiskie based on their need for an NFL-ready wideout, and then say I would bash Holmgren/Heckert for getting a guy projected to be a franchise quarterback AT MINIMUM.

            So before I fly off the handle on another 30-page dissertation, I’ll just say that as a guy who, 3 weeks ago wasn’t really into the RG3 thing, the more I read and watch and listen and hear everyone about this kid, the more hopeful I become. And maybe that’s what RG3 is already for us here. He’s a superstar at generating hope for Clevelanders Believelanders.

          • Anonymous

            well you certainly put the “Believe” back in Believelander.. i hope you’re right about RG3, and wouldn’t be opposed to some of the trade scenarios i’ve seen.. i honestly just get weary of all the hype, maybe it’s the Chief Wahoo curse that’s indoctrinated in me, as well as my experiences of denegerate gambling losses in “lock of the century” type assumptions. hope you’re right, but we’ll see..

  • kjn

    Atlanta? Seriously? Since ’91, the Braves alone have won one championship and been to four others. Since ’69, we’ve had zero championship wins while only going to three.

    God. I know they put these lists together just to get a rise out of people, but legit publications shouldn’t be trolling like this.

  • Anonymous

    in lieu of Albert Belle’s appearance in Tribe spring training, I am thinking the Indians failures were the hardest of my life. i loved the 80s browns more, but the Indians were so fricking good and never one….i mean 100-44 in 95 and they didn’t win.

    • Anonymous

      I used to feel a lot worse about losing those World Series – that was basically when I was growing up. Now though, I find that the pain of the losses is pretty much gone, and I have only appreciation and satisfaction for how great those years were. Title or not, those Tribe teams were special in a way that, say, the 2007 Indians were not (despite also being very good).

      • Anonymous

        the 2007 Indians were not special??? How do you figure?? first of all, they beat the fricking Yankees, which as a Cleveland fan living in NYC, seeing us beat them was one of the most special moments of my life. nothing like tearing the heart out out of arrogant Yankee fans (is there any other type of Yankee fan??)

        secondly, they were 1 win and 1 less CC in a Indians uniform playoff choke loss away from the World Series, which was likely to give us the hardware. plus the Jake was rockin throughout the whole playoffs, definitely gave me chills to see Kenny Lofton comin thru in clutch again for us a few times with all the white towels spinnin like a helicopter..

        • Believelander

          I was offended that we didn’t invite Kenny to training camp in 08. 2007 was a gut-wrenching sports exit for me. Almost (ALMOST) worse than 95 or 97 because, frankly, we would have butchered the Rockies.

        • Anonymous

          I said they weren’t special in the same way. Don’t get me wrong. Fausto’s midge game and Kenny’s return game to the Indians are wonderful memories too. But note that latter memory. The 07 team didn’t really take off until they brought back the echo of the mid-90s. The other, more important, part is that I felt like 07 was a one-shot. It wasn’t happening except by happy accident, and the likelihood of the next season living up to expectations wasn’t high. That’s the difference for me.

          • Anonymous

            happy accident or not, that’s another reason it makes it special for me. the 95 and 97 teams were successful in the pre-free agent spending crazed era, which had a little more level playing field than in recent years, like for the 07 team. beating a team with a payroll 2.5 times bigger than ours was as special to me as it gets..

          • Anonymous

            That’s a good point about free agent spending.

    • Anonymous

      You’re just mad that you didn’t get to break any lemonade sales records.

  • Believelander

    Well, I just unloaded on some shirtless hipster over on WFNY: http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2012/02/nfl-draft-why-not-have-two-premier-offensive-tackles/

    The article made my skin crawl, so I quickly found someone spouting off stuff about getting a shutdown cornerback (anyone ever wonder why you call them a shutdown CB, and not a franchise one?) or another left tackle (…) instead of a franchise QB, and learnsed him. I would repost here, but who needs that crap he posted put on this sports mecca just for context? To be fair, he almost got a like for saying that drafting Blackmon or Richardson would be batty at #4, except he prefaced that by lumping RG3 in as well.

    Not to toot my own horn today. Just trying to sell as many Clevelanders as possible so Holmgren knows that, if we’re not coming to him for playoff tix for giving him a hard time, he ain’t coming to us for food, water, or shelter if he doesn’t get us a franchise superstud.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOi3yAdqTYA PittsburghisforManLovers

    I has a sad reading this. To echo your sentiments about the generations of Cleveland fans that are going to pass without seeing another Championship, the last memory of my grandfather was when he was on his deathbed in the ICU of a hospital on the Westside in 2010. He was the hardest man I’ve ever met – Navy fighter pilot in the Pacific during WW2, built each of the 3 houses my pops and the fam grew up in with his own hands and played football and baseball at Syracuse. Oh, and he made sure to let me know that I was a fat asian too (which I found to be awesome later on in life). Outside of the military and the minor leagues, he spent his entire life in Cleveland in the same suburb and our only connection was sports – he was the one who instilled my love for all things Cleveland – pops was more interested in Tolkien.

    Anyways, I came up to visit him towards the end and would bring in the sports section and go over all the big news for the day. He had a respirator on and couldn’t talk but I could feel the displeasure with every piece of bad news I reported and just rolled his eyes when I told him we signed Delhomme. The last day I saw him before going back to DC, I asked him if he ever thought it would have been this long for any type of a title and if I would ever see one in my lifetime. He then pulled off the ventilator mask and gasped HELL NO which I assumed was to cover both my questions. Where was I going with this? Oh yeah, Pittstain sucks.

    Also, consider the source. This is the same organization that rated America’s rotten crotch the most livable city a while back. Unless, of course, you need to breathe since it’s the most polluted.

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