Why wouldn’t LeBron want to come back to play for Cleveland?

by Cleveland Frowns on February 17, 2012

Just in time for the Miami Heat’s visit to Cleveland, the latest absurd consequence of Dan Gilbert’s regressive self-serving LeBron demonization campaign: The hometown superstar says something that any decent human should want to hear him say (that “it would be great” if he were to come back home to play basketball for the Cleveland Cavaliers), and the response is mainly a bunch of tut-tutting about how LeBron should keep his mouth shut about Cleveland and focus on playing for the Miami Heat. Worse, current Cavs players say they’re “puzzled” by these remarks about the former superstar someday returning to the team. The Plain Dealer’s Tom Reed adds that the Cavaliers’ “serene season” has been “pierced” by LeBron’s comments.

This is insane. It’s like if somebody punched you in the face and took your money, then shortly apologized, asked for your forgiveness, offered give you your money back and pay your medical expenses, and further promised to work for the chance to give you even more money on top of what he took away. What if in response you said: “No, no. What’s done is done. You should stay focused on spending my money on yourself now, and stop distracting yourself and everybody else with this idea of giving me my money back. Frankly, I’m puzzled by your effort to make up for what you did. You’re really piercing my serenity here.”

Granting as any of LeBron’s worst critics would that his decision to leave the Cavaliers was a plain breach, a promise broken, and also, probably, a mistake, what could be more natural than a person wanting to make good on a broken promise and correct a past mistake? Of course, it’s just like he said, it really would be great if he could do that in Cleveland.  What could be greater than that, really?

The prodigal son narrative, accepted as affirming of humanity everywhere else, even in church, but not here. Not when we’re talking about LeBron.

Which is what happens to peoples’ brains when the powers that be decide that they have something to gain from people hating somebody, and the people respond by giving in to their worst impulses.

Ooh, Scott Raab will be at the game tonight! What’s he going to tweet about Delonte and LeBron’s mom? Whore whore whore whore whore! Tut tut tut tut! I’m so puzzled!

Um, go Cavs. You can’t say we haven’t made at least some progress here.

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Yes, it’s as good a day as any to re-read the definitive review of Raab’s regressively celebrated book “about LeBron,” “The Whore of Akron.

And here’s what LeBron actually said:

“I think it would be great … “It would be fun to play in front of these fans again. I had a lot fun times in my seven years here. You can’t predict the future, and hopefully I continue to stay healthy. I’m here as a Miami Heat player, and I’m happy where I am now, but I don’t rule that out in no sense.

“And if I decide to come back, hopefully the fans will accept me.

“I don’t have any hard feelings. [Dan Gilbert] said what he said and I’ve moved on. But there’s been no attempt to patch things up. . . . I don’t hold grudges. I hold them a little bit, but I don’t hold them that long.

“He said what he said out of anger and he would probably want to take that back. But I made a mistake, too, and there are some things I would want to take back as well. You learn from your mistakes and move on.”

Of course.

Alright, Cavs Cavs Cavs. Hope everyone has a decent weekend. 47 more days till opening day, 69 more until the draft.

UPDATE: Per Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski:

LeBron James came to Cleveland with an unmistakable mission this week, the beginning of a campaign to soften the fans and ownership on his desire to return to the Cavaliers in 2014. Free agency is forever on his mind, and James is determined to make his hometown want him as much he wants it again.

This was no accident, no misspeaking, nothing out of context. Before mentioning Thursday his openness to playing in Cleveland again, James months ago had an emissary or two carry that message to the Cavaliers’ front office, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. His camp wanted the message delivered to owner Dan Gilbert, sources said, but so far, the response has been silence.

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At this point. Make no mistake: James will need to make this easy for Gilbert, make it a public mandate. It promises to be a delicate dance for Gilbert. After all that, how do you welcome him back. And, well, how do you tell that talent, that kind of winning and profit, no?

“He has started to lay the groundwork, and he’s waiting to see what Dan Gilbert’s reaction to it is,” one league source with direct knowledge told Yahoo! Sports.

Here we go again, yes. Sam Amico of Fox Sports Ohio reported a month ago that James had expressed unhappiness in Miami, and that a return was on his mind. Different dynamics are working here too. James loves to be in perpetual recruitment, always wanting to be wanted. LeBron is the MVP of the NBA this season, and yet, he isn’t the story. And he likes to be the story.

And/or he simply understands that he made a mistake in leaving, and wants to come back home and make good. Who wouldn’t?

  • Anonymous

    well done Frownie. even porno terry, i mean mr. christian terry pluto is piling on as well.. anything for some page views at the PD these days huh PT??

  • http://www.davidaarnott.com/ David A.

    The best part of the prodigal son narrative is that the actual prodigal son — you know, the one in the Bible — was the most screw-uppiest of screwups. In common parlance, “prodigal son” seems to have come to mean someone who merely leaves and comes back, whereas in the original story, it’s about someone who actively disses his father and family in order to go do his own thing, ends up a pig farmer (as a Jew, mind you), and then comes back a broken man to ask his family forgiveness. Yet, the father celebrates his return over the objections of the brothers, who are all like, “Double-U, Tee, Eff, Pops? Bro-ski here skipped town, wasted all his money, and smells like ass. Why you throwing a feast for this lowlife?”

    And Dad says none of that matters, because if you loved someone in the first place, you’d celebrate their return to the family, to being who he rightfully should be — ESPECIALLY because he was once wayward, and is now returned.

    • Anonymous

      That’s an excellent point, David. Thank you.

    • Anonymous

      actually he didn’t even end up a pig farmer. he ended up living with swine because he was homeless.

      but yes. pigs and smell and mud and awfulness were involved.

  • http://twitter.com/SeanInColumbus Sean Pullins

    Is the House LeBron built, I mean the Horseshoe Casino Grand Opening still on May 14th?

    • Anonymous

      i don’t know but i work at the skylight tower (attached to tower city) and was just talking to some of the horseshoe construction guys (they are renting some space in our building) yesterday – the guys i was talking to (who knows at what level they were or whatever) were completely stressed and said they were basically working nonstop to get it done by the deadline.

      • Tmurphy2285

        Perhaps that is why the parking garage collapsed?

        • Anonymous

          #cripes did it really? lol.

      • Anonymous

        p_4,
        I can see your story in more detail, but I am a bit confused.
        You were out after work trying to pick up construction workers, that makes sense.
        But how did you ever end up discussing construction? You started some small talk instead of the usual cigarette?

        • Anonymous

          please acto. i do not have to *try* to pick up anyone. lolol.

          i was on the elevator with these guys. should i have been all silent and stand-offish? i opted for friendly instead. so we struck up a conversation. they stressed about their salt-mining and i stressed about mine. nothing could have been more natural or innocent.

          for sure it’s WAY more innocent than cigarettes. those things will kill you for sure.

  • Anonymous

    I would be the first one to tune into ESPN for “The Apology.” That would begin the greatest sports story of all time.

    • Anonymous

      Disagree. IMO the greatest sports story of all time would be: “Cleveland (Browns, Indians, Cavs) Win the (Super Bowl, World Series, NBA Championship).

      • Anonymous

        That’ll be the happy ending to the greatest story :)

  • Vari

    Crap. Total crap. Once again Frownster sides with the turncoat. I’m pretty sure I read the whole article and was pleasantly surprised not to see a reference to LeDouche being raised by a crack addicted mother anywhere (props on that). But anyhow, it’s nothing more than LeTrader’s attempt to win over some of those Nike, Jersey buying fans he abandoned. He must have different PR people working for him because it sounded like it was scripted. If we want to decode any of it, it probably means: Riley isn’t letting me get my way all of the time so I might head back to where I had it pretty good. Hindsight is always 20/20.

    • Anonymous

      “Riley isn’t letting me get my way all of the time” he sure has a strange way of showing his anger about that, puttin’ up career numbers and the highest PER in the past 50 years and all..

      so when he doesn’t say anything nice he’s a bum, and now that he does he’s an even bigger bum..

      and how weak minded do you think cleveland fans are anyhow?? just because LBJ said he wouldn’t mind playing here again that they are going to drop their allegiance to the Cavs and buy up Heat jerseys???

      • Vari

        They’re not weak minded. That’s the point. He can put up career numbers wherever he wants. He’s that talented. There’s been rumblings that he’s not happy for a while now. I some of those writers are right. He still doesn’t get it.

        • Anonymous

          doesn’t get what exactly?? like frownie said, i just don’t get why anyone would have any problem with what he said, except for the fact that Lebron is the one that said it..

          • Vari

            He doesn’t get that he should be focusing on the matter at hand not 3 years in the future. Great business idea but bad player mentality. Shows the desire is for the money not the championship.

          • Anonymous

            oh please, it was a 20 second sound bite that was egged on by the media. he seems to be pretty focused per the team’s and his personal performance thus far.. we’ll see how focused they are tonight..

          • Vari

            I’m sure it won’t be a 4th quarter of the finals performance. Not enough pressure. Also, professionals who have been around the game long enough know how to handle media pressure. So I’m not buying that rubbish.

          • Anonymous

            what media pressure are you talking about?? yesterday answering question on whether he would play in cleveland again?? i’m sure if he didn’t answer it or said something negative he would get fried as well..

            i forgot you and your crystal ball can predict the future on how the dude will perform over the next 10 years of his career..

          • Vari

            The only right answer is the one the writers were talking about. “I’ m with the Heat and I’m focused on winning a championship right now. I’ll worry about that when the time comes.”

            Simple answer. As for my crystal ball, I’m not predicting anything other than what I’ve already seen. Phenomenal player. Folds in pressure situations. Would I like to have LBJ back on the Cavs, no. This team needs to be built right. I see the GM and Scott doing a fine job. They’re lucky Lerner doesn’t own the team because at the first sight of progress, Scott would have been made a scape goat. LeBron should stop playing games with the fans and just focus on winning. You don’t hear Kobe saying this type of shit. You don’t hear Rose saying it. They have different focus. I guess.

          • Anonymous

            as big of a star as those two are, neither have the media attention combined that LBJ does.. it is what it is..

            i think it’s pretty clear what Lebron’s and the Heat’s focus is this season, i don’t think he needs to repeat it each and every time he does a press conference.. he’s in cleveland and was answered a specific question by a reporter on if he would play in cleveland again and he gave a response that seemed pretty sincere to me. not sure what the issue is.

          • Vari

            Brass tacks, I don’t give a shit what the dude said. The Cavs are exciting to watchj and I’ve moved on from the decision fiascoe.

    • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

      I guarantee you that even if by some act of Gilbert he does come back, he’ll have it more like Riley is letting him have it now, as opposed to how Gilbert let him have it before. It most certainly will not be Lebron’s arena again.

      • Anonymous

        For sure.

  • Anonymous

    also Frownie, i think you were part of the fanbase that felt that DG’s infamous letter wasn’t doing the Cavs any favors with regards to free agents and how they wouldn’t want to play for a guy like Gilbert.. i see no alterior motive for LBJ to extend an olive branch to DG, and if anything it could make CAVSDAN look a little better in the eyes of Lebron’s peers..

    • Anonymous

      gilbert needs to take advantage of this and quit being so stubborn.

      crazy to read they sat in a room together during the lockout for hours and never acknowledged each other.

      • Anonymous

        i mean, is it really that crazy? just go sit in a divorce deposition, while some certainly acknowledge each other, there are many that won’t even look at each other’s face.. it happens.. imagine you lost what is reported to be a couple hundred million in net worth in a day.. that would be tough to get over… hopefully by 2014 DG will be over it..

    • Brian Sipe

      It is rare but I am 100% with Biki on this topic…. everyone who acts hurt or claims they would not welcome him back is full of Shite! I would be the first one to buy tix

      • Anonymous

        I thought that I missed the point, lost the gist of the argument, or that I had actually found “Bizzaro World”, because I a 100% with Biki on this one too.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know why we are bothering with pre-planning a prodigal son narrative. It’s highly unlikely, and we’ll see what the makeup of the team is at that time. For now, I think it is vaguely distracting and the Cavs progress is a much more interesting story than an ex-player’s psychological soap opera.

    • Anonymous

      Agree to disagree!

    • Vari

      Right on Bup!

  • WK

    From the Daily Dish…the readers can decide…My vote is the DD’s perspective is more constructive for the fans and the Cavs futures….

    “I don’t know. I think it would be great. It would be fun to play in front of these fans again. I had a lot fun times in my seven years here. You can’t predict the future and hopefully I continue to stay healthy. I’m here as a Miami Heat player, and I’m happy where I am now, but I don’t rule that out in no sense. And if I decide to come back, hopefully the fans will accept me.”

    Here’s the translation:

    “Please don’t be as mean to me as you were last year Cleveland fans. Despite the fact that I act like criticism doesn’t bother me, I am really the most secretly self-conscious athlete in the world. I hate the fact I am now viewed as a villain. I’ve been trying for the last year and a half to repair that image by launching a phony PR campaign through the media and on Twitter, but it isn’t working. Please don’t hate me. I want so desperately to be loved.”

    First things first. Miami just signed this clown to a 6 year, $110 million contract. The lack of respect comments like that make to his current employer really illustrate what an entitled, self-centered, in denial psychologist case study he is. The Heat should trade him to Toronto or Sacramento this morning. His comments are even more outrageous when you consider that he single-handedly cost them a NBA title last year by treating the basketball like a live hand grenade in the fourth quarter of every game in that series.

    Secondly, thanks but no thanks LeQuit. You can take your self-centered attitude, fake elbow injuries, strategically positioned headband, and your inability to perform in the clutch and keep it all down there in “South Beach”. It’s the perfect spot for you. We’re glad you’re gone. Yes, I would love to see a Cleveland team win a championship. But even if you could correct the genetic and mental flaw that causes you to disappear when your team needs you most, sports are not important enough in the grand scheme of things to cause Cleveland fans to cheer for such a sad, pathetic, entitled, egomaniacal idiot.

    • Anonymous

      I love the DD, but to the extent anyone actually is “a sad, pathetic, entitled, egomaniacal idiot,” I prefer stories where the idiot learns to be less of one. I also prefer stories where people who make mistakes make up for them.

      • http://brian23.com Brian

        I’m sure Miami fans don’t find him less of an idiot today. Might be a nice olive branch to Cleveland fans but these were ill-advised and idiotic statements that could come back to hurt Miami’s season.

    • Anonymous

      he didn’t say anything that most athletes don’t say when they come home and play in their (or near) their hometown. heck Antawn Jamison told the Charlotte media that he would love to finish his career in Charlotte. why was he saying those things and not working on preparing for the game that night Mr. Pluto, where were you to call out Jamison then???

      again with the inability to perform in the clutch, how many games did he win for us?? and how many games did MJ lose when he took game winning shot?? (26 to be exact) he’s halfway through his career and time will tell if his previous failures has made him a better player and finisher.

      on MJ’s birthday, this was the GOAT’s best quote:

      “I’ve missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I’ve lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I’ve been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.”

      -Michael Jordan

      • Vari

        notice how Michael didn’t tell you how many times he passed it because he was afraid?

        • Anonymous

          LBJ assists totals will be more than double MJ’s before it’s said and done, he’s averages nearly 2 more per game.. and that probably would’ve been higher if the Cavs supporting cast didn’t choke worse than LBJ did..

          • Vari

            I don’t care how many times LeBron passes it. He could have one billion assists and I would still not care. The whole point is he doesn’t want the ball when he should want it.

          • Anonymous

            he doesn’t want the ball when he should want it?? do you know how many times Lebron’s had the ball in final possession in his career? has he faltered in big moments, absolutely, but he’s had the ball plenty when it matters most..

            and where is all the outcry against Steve Nash? a multiple MVP who has never even made the Finals and only the WCF once in his career. is it because he’s white? or canadian?? why does he get a pass and Lebron is the biggest chokester ever???

          • Vari

            Have you even watched the playoffs the last three years? LeBron is absentee in the most critical of situations.

            As for Nash, we weren’t talking about him.

          • Anonymous

            Lebron was absentee in the Bulls series?? The Eastern Conference Finals, against one of the best teams in the NBA with the league MVP?? i guess you didn’t watch that series…

          • Anonymous

            Uhhh people don’t talk about Nash the same way because he wasn’t blessed with the same physical attributes that Lebron was. We expect more out of Lebron simply because there’s never been another player with his combination of size, speed, strength, talent, and basketball IQ, ever.

            Either that or anybody who calls out Lebron for coming up small in the clutch is just a racist. That seems perfectly reasonable. /derp

          • Anonymous

            again, he’s come up clutch plenty in his career.. in the Bulls series last year to name the most recent.. did he falter in the Finals, sure, but you have to tip your cap to the Mavs and their top rated defense on that one.. plus they had him working hard on the defensive end of the court, which typically leads to the offense suffering..

            we’ll see how the 2nd half of his career goes.. as Dirk proved, all you have to do is win one and all the thousands of ridiculous comments from monday morning quarterbacks are soon forgotten..

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            Just keep in mind that the comments aren’t ridiculous unless people still repeat them after he wins.

          • Anonymous

            agreed, they have no excuses to not win this year, unless either Wade or LBJ go down to injury.. they seem to have a good feel for each other now and have a much deeper roster than last year… i’m all for them winning 2 out of next 3 and the Bron coming back in 2014 to help KI and TT get a ring in ’14..

      • Anonymous

        Biki, you should have included more of that quote:

        “I’ve missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I’ve lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I’ve been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.”

        -Michael Jordan

        I recall that his next sentence was something about how he always wins when he is gambling, especially on his golf game.

  • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

    I really want to talk about this, but I think I’ll wait 2 more years to see where the Cavs are at before I even consider entertaining this idea.

    • Anonymous

      i have a feeling they will address C or SG in these next 2 drafts.. and go with a tandem of Casspi/Gee at SF until ’14.. Bron either comes back to take over starting SF duties, or we address it via draft, or FA, or who knows, maybe Casspi or Gee develops into a bonafide NBA starter.. i’m down for all of the above but my preference would be getting LBJ back..

      • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

        I really like Alonzo Gee. He has a certain toughness that you gotta have on a team, and he’s hungry as hell. If he can work on developing a quicker release, he could be a very good role playing / borderline starting 3 in this league.

        Completely agree that SG or C (or PF if they keep Andy at the 5) are definitely the 2 needs that must be addressed this offseason. Ryan Hollins and freaking Luke Harangody are not gonna cut it.

        • Anonymous

          yeah I highly doubt they bring Jamison back so they will definitely re-up the 4, but doubt they do it via draft unless they are just blown away by someone… unless TT regresses, seems like he should be the lead candidate for starter at 4 and then bring in a solid vet to back him up..

          so it seems like a starting SG (Jeremy Lamb) is the most glaring need as we probably have starters locked up for the rest of the positions..

          def got a steal with Gee, gotta tip your cap to Grant and the scouts on that one, as well as great coaching.. too bad they didn’t invite him to dunk contest, seemed like he deserved it!!

        • Anonymous

          I’m famished. In this way, Alonzo Gee and I are the same.

  • 910Derp

    I assume we’ll be getting these little valentines every season until he retires. This is second time he’s mentioned returning since he signed with Miami. I do give him credit for offering the olive branch to DG though.

  • Anonymous

    frowns, all reasonable and i generally agree. and i am sincerely impressed by his apparently sincere regret/intentions from his remarks. i am basically fine with James now. still don’t like the Heat, still think he is a choker, and still hate his insistence on a neck beard. but otherwise, he seems like good people.

    however, the flaw with the mugging comparison: many of the wounds have healed. or at least people are learning to live with their new look (the scars build character, make us feel like we look like an aged Harrison Ford). accordingly, there are wounds that cannot be compensated for.

    moreover, nothing in his statement goes as far as the mugging offender: he didn’t promise to make things better. he said he might.

    so here is what its more like: the mugger punched you in the face and took your money, then shortly apologized, asked for your forgiveness, said MAYBE he’d even give you your money back and maybe pay your medical expenses, and further said MAYBE in the future he’d work to help you in other ways.

    sure, this mugger would be nicer than what you expected when he punched you in the face, but its not hard to blame the mugging victim for saying “whatever dick, just fix the damage you have done (which he cant) or shut the fuck up and quit messing with me (which he can)”

  • Anonymous

    I think this is just another case of LBJ saying what he thinks the people want to hear so that they’ll like him. Before his TV special he told Clevelanders that he wasn’t going anywhere. He told New Yorkers how much he loved MSG and the Bronx *wink wink*. He’ll smile to your face, but when you turn around the knife goes in your back. I wouldn’t take anything he says at face value. He has serious abandonment issues and needs to be liked by everybody…probably because of his crack addicted mother.

    • Anonymous

      agreed, he said exactly what most people wanted him to say when he left (*people that were ok with him leaving but upset with how he did it).. i guess nobody gets any 2nd chances around here.. especially judgemental folks who like to rip on people’s mothers..

      • Anonymous

        I can’t tell if you’re using a sarcasm font or not.

        Would I give him a second chance? Undecided.

        Will I trust anything he has to say about where he might play in the future? Absolutely not. Like G.W. Bush said, “Fool me once shame on you…Fool me…another…with a…no waitaminute…fool ME the second…and it…it ain’t…ain’t gonna happen again.”

        I believe it is Frowns who feels the need to justify all of LeBron’s past, present and future actions based on his mother’s substance abuse problems. Don’t worry I can say and do anything I want because my grandfather was an alcoholic.

        Weren’t you the one who was ripping on Mo Williams for talking about his free agency next year? LeBron is speculating about where he might go in two years and that’s o.k.?

        LeBron can say and do whatever he wants and I’m not going to lose any sleep over it (I will admit that I didn’t sleep for two days after his TV special), and 10 years from now when I read in the paper that he and Allen Iverson are sharing a room at the Y I will likely smile briefly to myself, then move on with my life.

        • Anonymous

          MoGotti was whining for a contract extention when he has 1.5 years and $15 million still coming to him. LBJ just answered a very simple question on whether he would consider playing in cleveland again. don’t see the connection to the 2. and never was it posed on when Lebron would come back, never did they ask him about 2014.. just like DWade said in response, he can never rule out the future, but he hopes Lebron doesn’t come back until after he’s (dwade) is retired..

          • Jim

            You’re right, Lebron never discussed his impending free agency plans prior to July 8, 2010 and those discussions never turned into any sort of distraction for the Cavaliers.

          • Anonymous

            we were comparing Lebron’s interview yesterday to Mo’s whining.. but in terms or Lebron discussing impending free agency, i believe he put a moratoreum on it at some point to prevent distractions, as futile as that was.. but sure, i guess if Lebron had signed an extension, Andy wouldn’t have gotten hurt down the stretch, Shaq would’ve found the fountain of youth, Jamison would’ve stayed healthy, Delonte wouldn’t have lost his mind, and of course Mo wouldn’t have missed as many open looks as he did.. good grief

          • Jim

            Good grief is right. That was a non-response if I ever heard one. My point is you’re getting on Mo for wanting a new contract as if this has caused some sort of distraction to his team when your boy for years opening flirted with numerous teams that were clearing cap space just for him. If the former was a distraction then certainly the latter was as well.

            Your reference to injuries suffered by other players has no relevance to the point I made, nor was I arguing that Lebron should have signed an extension or that by signing an extension, injuries to other players would somehow magically not occurred.

          • Anonymous

            i think you’re confusing me for TJ Simers, never said Mo was a distraction, just that his whining is annoying and makes him look like a lil B when he’s got $15m and 1.5 years left on his deal. shut up and play. lebron wasn’t whining for a contract extension, not sure the comparison.

            further, it’s just another reminder of the kind of players Lebron had to work with when Mo Williams was the best player LBJ ever had to play with. I wonder how many rings Kobe would’ve won if Mo was his 2nd best player instead of Pau, Bynum and Lamar, who all brought more to the table than Mo ever did…

        • Anonymous

          Beeej,
          Thank you for posting the best Bushism.

          I also liked
          “Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?”
          G. W. Bush

          I hope that AI and Lebron do not end up in such dire straights.
          AI is more than willing to cash a check from any team now and he may even practice.

          It is sad that so many players “Big Time” it and then they are broke when they retire.
          I wish they would write mandatory long term financial planning in to the next CBA for every pro sport.

          • Anonymous

            It’s not just the pro athletes. The same thing happens to lotto winners. I work for a financial services company and we have a few clients (we actually try to drop theses clients as soon as possible) that choose to piss their money away. We can set-up a plan that would provide perfectly comfortable income streams for life, but they’ll blow it with a need for instant gratification. No matter how many times we tell them to “cut back on spending” or “your going to outlive your savings” they ignore our advice.

        • Manc

          hey wait a minute…3 of my 4 grandparents were fall-down drunks…do I have a lead-pipe do whatever the hell I want card? ’cause that would be convenient, and nice.

          • Anonymous

            You’re going to have to check with Frowns because he is the lawyer. But according to his, “Nothing LeBron says or does is his fault b/c his mom was a crackhead,” defense (similar to the Cochran’s Chewbacca defense), you should be o.k. Additionally, it also helps if you grew up poor and are X years old so you can say, “He is only ____ years old. Anyone can make stupid mistakes at that age. Plus, no preseason and we had essentially a rookie quarterback.

          • Anonymous

            BJ, I’d normally ignore something like this but I like you so I’ll remind you again that it’s embarrassingly stupid to express the idea that growing up in poverty to a crack addicted single mother wouldn’t have a profound influence on a person’s development and/or ability to react to coming into wealth and unprecedented fame, etc.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks Pete! I like you too. I don’t think there is anything either one of us could say that would change the other person’s mind. In my short time on this Earth, I’ve known people from every walk of life you can imagine (growing up multiracial and poor in West Texas in the 1950s, beaten w/in an inch of his life, and left for dead by his alcoholic father types of people). Disirregardless of how much money a person had growing up, what their daily struggles were, or what they had to overcome to get where they are now(whether rich, poor or somewhere in the middle) for me, the bottom line is that good people are good people, and LeBron doesn’t strike me as a good person. Excuses for his character hold about as much weight with me as the excuses the Browns used for their record this year.

          • Anonymous

            Oh wow you know people from tough backgrounds, too. Whether or not any of them came from circumstances as rough as LeBron’s, it’s a good guess that none of them ever had to deal with the “wealth and unprecedented fame” thing, so it’s especially hard to see how these relationships you cite make it any less embarrassingly stupid to express the idea that growing up in poverty to a crack addicted single mother wouldn’t have a profound influence on a person’s development and/or ability to react to coming into wealth and unprecedented fame, etc.

          • Anonymous

            Wow. You’re absolutely right. Why haven’t I seen it before? It must be my complete and utter stupidity. LeBron is the third coming of Jesus. He grew up poor!!!! Nobody who ever grew up poor has ever made anything of themselves. His mom was a crackhead!!! Poor and addiction problems?!?! This guy needs a hug (cue: Robin Williams, “It’s not your fault. It’s not your fault. It’s not your fault.”) He’s was given a mountain of cash at 18 years old!!! You bastards!!! Now he’ll never have a shot at a normal life. His first team’s owner wasn’t tough enough on him!!! No one in the history of the world can be expected to deal with childhood poverty, an addict parent, wealth, and fame and be *gasp* a decent person. That is just too must to ask. Instead of expecting anything from him, I should be looking at myself. I blame myself for thinking that his actions make him a d-bag, when in reality I’m probably the reason the guy is an asshat. He has a sensitive soul!!! He has a new coach!!! He has to learn a new offense!!! He had a shortened off season!!! He’s only 28 years old!!!

            Thanks for bringing me into the light. I’m off to the store to pick up some new Air LeBron’s and a number 6 jersey.

          • Anonymous

            I dunno. Did your grandparents have to turn tricks to afford their booze?

            I’ll put the over/under on “how many of his grandparents LeBron ever got to know” at 0.5.

  • Anonymous

    I have come to a few of my own conclusions about this:

    1. He is coming back in 14. Like it or not it is the only possible way that this story ends.

    2. I care nothing about the decision but I would like some kind of explanation about what really happened in Game 5. I can’t get beyond that. I have never seen anything like it in my life.

    3. I have reached a point where I care nothing about the character of the athletes that play for my teams. I just want a championship. Period. There are a lot of things that have been said about him but at the end of the day I really don’t think he is a bad dude. Just my opinion.

    4. The idea that Cleveland fans would not embrace his return is batshit insane. Of course there will be some people who will not but the masses will be buying #6 stuff within the hour.

    • Anonymous

      Agreeing with items 2, 3, and 4. Not so sure about item 1. I think it’s possible in the sense that nobody’s completely ruled it out yet (which, duh it’s 2.5 years away) but I have to say I still think it’s pretty unlikely. I would be all in favor of course, were it to happen.

      Also 1000 likes for item 2: Game 5 of the Boston series was a truly stunning thing to watch. It literally messed me up for days afterwards. I spent hours on the phone with friends trying to figure it out.

      I realized later that I had so much of my own sports fan persona wrapped up in my idea of Lebron as somebody who simply wasn’t capable of performing like that, and so but when I saw him behave that way on the court I was honestly emotionally shaken. Maybe I’m the only one who feels this way but I’m not so mad about “the way he left” (because that was going to hurt no matter what) but rather I’m still saddened and hurt by the way he played in that game. That was this city’s best chance in years to win it all, and he simply decided he didn’t want it. That’s the part that, for me, may well be unforgivable.

    • http://brian23.com Brian

      Isn’t it commonly accepted after last year’s finals that he simply choked in game 5? Not to mention game 2?

      • Anonymous

        I really think that’s it with Game 5. Choked, or to put it another way, collapsed under the immense burden of having to carry a team that had Mo Williams as its second best player.

        • http://brian23.com Brian

          Yet the burden of having wade and bosh as 2nd and 3rd beat players was somehow equally heavy on him.

        • Anonymous

          you sure love that defense of LB….but have you ever considered:

          he lost to a team who’s second best player was Rashard Lewis.

          and started Raef Alston (out of the league) and Courtney Lee.

        • Faldor the Unruly

          A reasonable point. Mike Brown and Danny Ferry didn’t exactly put together a solid team around LeBron. And we can thank Gilbert for putting those two into positions of power despite their incompetence.

          However, what is LeBron’s excuse for his failure last season with the Heat? Seems to me he had plenty of strong supporting cast in Miami. So why the choke job? And let us remember, this is three choke/quit jobs in a row now. So maybe some of the problem resides with LeBron, and not just the team surrounding him?

    • Anonymous

      I can’t imagine he comes in 2014. I see him doing another extension (or just taking the option in 2014 for 2 more years) then maybe moving in 2016 or 2018. And by then, who knows what could happen.

  • Chris

    While James’ departure is pretty well played out, I think it would go a long way if he made an actually apology (to be clear, not for leaving, but for how he left). It is one thing to say “I could have done some things differently” and another to fully own a mistake and say something like “The Decision was a pretty bone-headed mistake, one that I regret, and I should not have done in that way. I apologize to those fans I have ‘hurt’ (or something like that)”.

    I am probably splitting hairs with this, but if I took a similar tone of the first “apology” with my wife when one is warranted, it’s a good bet I’m getting the cold shoulder. I think the average person can tell if something is internalized and sincerely spoken.

    If he’s said as much, I simply missed it.

    I honestly don’t care a whole lot either way (but I love this blog and wanted to chime in…great stuff), but there are ways to say something to show you mean it. After that, it’s fully on the listener to accept it if its sincere.

    • Vari

      He probably can’t say that about the Decision. He has his cronies who run his company and admitting to such a mistake would really threaten those other ventures. Just my opinion but that’s how I see it. This guy has got his fingers in so many pies that he can’t focus on the most important pie. He’s trying to be Jay-Z not MJ.

      • Chris

        I dunno. He is the gravy train here, and he has taken some pretty serious hits to his personal brand/popularity. I just think if he showed some sincere humility it would help how he is perceived.

        • Vari

          I donno either. I just see it like Coca Cola coming out and saying, yeah, New Coke was a really bad idea. Which they may have, but years after the fact. LeBron owns that marketing company and by admitting sincerely that it was a mistake he may threaten business with other clients. Maybe I’m offbase I just see it like he thinks his image is untouchable anyways and he has to protect the brand.

    • Believelander

      He actually said the words “I made a mistake” yesterday. Progress.

  • Jaceczko

    It is with great pleasure that I say, as I usually do in this space, “agreed”.

  • Believelander

    Again, please stop shifting LeBron’s responsibility to someone else. He is culpable for his immature actions, though it is a big plus that he is starting to realize the mistake he made. Maturing, as all men must do. Gilbert, I am sure, is learning from his mistakes. The forgiveness for foolish transgressions narrative, accepted as affirming of humanity everywhere else, but not on this blog. Anyway, it’s been going on two years now and you’re still grinding this immature Raabian axe towards the Cavs owner. How about the narrative that LeBron made him extremely angry, he eventually got over his anger, and moved on? Really, you’re just being the Scott Raab from the other side of the fence but you’re cloaking it in a thin veil of civility. It’s still an absurd bill of goods you’re selling

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      i’ll throw a like on this for gilbert observation. i mean.. i still have no idea how gilbert is ‘regressive.’ can you just call him ‘short?’ it’d be easier, k thx.

      —-
      as for lebron, i would not be surprised if he appreciates his home more after leaving it. (i did/do.) you never miss the water till the well goes dry. miami is fun, but there’s only one home.

      i would love it if he came back. and further, if he comes back a little chastened and embracing of NEO.. he’ll be an even bigger king in town.

      lebron sending a message of ‘i checked it out and i’d rather be in cleveland than miami’ would help the area’s psyche 10x more than the decision hurt it.

      • Anonymous

        Do they make ruby slippers in LeBron’s size I wonder?

    • Chris P.

      no like here. i call bs.

      there’s a difference between being juvenile and immature when you’re 25, and when you’re old enough to know better and your idea of maturity is to mock someone by using a historical date and a fathead price.

      • Believelander

        I’ve been waiting almost 2 years for someone to tell me with a straight face that they would have acted less venomously if LeBron did it to them and, disrespect aside, cost them the kind of money Bron cost Gilbert. Of course, even though Dan got over it and moved on, he’s obviously a bad person because he is old, and hey, LeBron is basically a kid! He was only 25! That’s only 7 years older than the age where you’re adult enough to influence our government or die and kill on our bejalf in a war! To -decide- to put your life in jeopardy on the battlefield!!! Honestly, if LeBron isn’t culpable for being a dumbass because he was “only” 25, let’s move the age of military eligibility to 26, because obviously 25 isn’t old enough to make an adult decision.

        • Chris P.

          Kind of money he cost Gilbert?

          I’m not sure in what sport any one player is under an obligation to provide income to the owner of any franchise, at least not since they abolished the reserve clause.

          If your business plan and p&l statements are contingent on millionaire 25 year olds not being dumbasses, then you better be playing with house money, because you’re not long for it.

          Of course if you create your fortune giving loans to dumbass 25 year olds that they can’t possibly pay back, in any normal situation that would come back to bite you in the ass.

          And of course, LOL^2 to the idea that the military age is 18 because that’s the age we trust 18 year olds to make mature decisions, and not because their athletic young bodies make much dodgier targets.

  • George P.

    Pete,

    To be fair, you must consider the source and LeBron’s tendency to do or say what is in his best interests. Certainly his comments were very much in his best interest and cannot be taken as wholly sincere. Plus, his camp had to figure that Cleveland media would have a negative and unreasonable response. Therefore, he looks better to the national public and Cleveland comes off as spiteful (nothing new). From a PR perspective these comments were golden. LBJ just put himself one step closer to a second appearance on SNL.

    You are correct that the story of LBJ would be the greatest sports story EVER in the event he was truly sorry and did return to contribute on a championship team in Cleveland.

  • Anonymous

    I did forget something…

    5. The press conference in which James and Gilbert are seated at the same table and joking with each other will be incredible to watch.

  • Chris P.

    *yawn*

    not a story. of course he wants to come back. of course he can’t hide it.

    it’s the greatest fucking place on earth.

    sometimes you need a few years of separation to see this. sometimes you get it right away. christ, why do we hold grudges against people who do stupid shit when they’re 25?

    he loves it here. he misses it. he didn’t get it before. he gets it more now. that’s a good thing. i’ll take anyone who gets that.

    • kjn

      not realizing Swenson’s is a local chain until it’s too late = regret

  • Jim

    I am glad to see Lebron showing some remorse for how he went about leaving. I also am well aware that he has an innate desire to be liked by all, and that this “apology” is well in line with his character.

    However, I can also understand the current team’s puzzlement with his statements. Last season was one of the more depressing seasons in Cleveland sports history (and maybe sports in general), in large part because Lebron’s large shadow hung over the entire franchise. You could literally feel his “Decision” each night in the Q, in Mo Williams’ face, in Boobie Gibson’s shot. Last season was all about the past, not the future.

    The difference an offseason (and the drafting of one Kyrie Irving) has made on the entire franchise has been remarkable. The team is actually enjoyable to watch, they appear to enjoy playing together, Kyrie Irving looks like a franchise player, and the team/city/owner/disinterested third parties have finally begun to get over the whole Lebron leaving angle that dominated Cavaliers discourse last season. Now, of course, Lebron’s statements puts him squarely back into the picture and the story is no longer whether this team can continue to improve but whether the “prodigal son” will ever return.

    I don’t begrudge him for leaving. I don’t begrudge him for intimating he would come back. I just would rather not deal with the circus that is all things Lebron and try and enjoy what appears to be a promising future for the Cavaliers.

  • Manc

    I think this is LBJ throwing a shot across the heat’s brow more than anything. Gilbert could probably do himself so good by admiting he shouldn’t have issued that fatwa immediately after LBJ left town in the most ill-advised way possible (and in all probability after cooking the whole thing up in 08). Anyway, it interesting specualtion but he can’t come back for 2 years, so who the hell knows…

    Also, this kind of points up the problem with LBJ in Cleveland, way too much drama. Will he leave? Will he stay? Will he come back? Will Dan forgive? Will the fans embrace him again? It’s exhausting, and takes attention away from Casey Kotchman, The Final Piece Of The Championship Puzzle.

    • Believelander

      Lol I just read this. It was a credible comment right up until that last part.

  • Alexb

    do we even want him back? I mean “IF” it happens to be a good fit in 3 years and he’s willing to come back and sign a long term contract…maybe. Problem is i’m not sure a player like Lebron will fit a team that’s trying to build a solid all around base. If this was Kevin Durant, i’d say heck yeah that’s a real professional…..i’m not sure Lebron comes in doesn’t make everything about him again. I’d rather see Cleveland build around Kyrie than bring in a patch, even if that patch is one of the most gifted players in NBA history. He’s proven he can’t carry a team on his own, really no one can anymore it’s a different league now…..so why bring him back? So the country gets a feel good story? fuck that, Cleveland needs to win……not be some classically flawed egoists redemption ticket

    • Believelander

      I don’t know about him being incapable of being a team player; LeBron has constantly been a study in conflicting psychology. On the one hand, he’s extremely egocentric. On the other hand, he’s extremely unselfish on the court (most of the time), and looks to create shots for his teammates. But then he goes into dribble out the clock and try to stick a long jumpshot mode. It’s weird.

      Maybe with a fella like Byron Scott coaching him, he could really put it all together.

      • Anonymous

        or maybe if he had 1 or 2 legit all-stars around him, just like every other championship calibur team.. it seems like by the time 2014 comes around, the Cavs should have that kind of talent base..

  • Anonymous
    • Manc

      Oh for God’s sake. I come home to check on the dogs (hi fellas!) and I read this stuff. The problem with LBJ is, again, too much drama. It’s like having a team in Genoa City or Oakdale.

      Back to the Eagles club.

    • Alexb

      That link irritates the shit out of me. This dude made us hold back on getting pieces cause we had to save up for his free agency cause LBJ needs his max contract. Now, 3 years till he can opt out of Miami…this cocksucker is trying to do it all over again. We need to build the Cavs and that means spending money. If there’s no money left over for a fat contract to Lebron…tough shit for him he ain’t comin here. I will punch any Cavs fan who says maybe we should start saving up for a run at Lebron. What so we can run another so so team behind him that will not help him deep into the playoffs? WTF is the point of that? Gilbert should offer him league minimum with a “take it or leave it” sticky not attached to the contract. I’m not fan of Gilbert but Lebron makes him a sympathetic figure.

    • Believelander

      I don’t know how much credit can be lent to this, although Woj is certainly a good journalist. We can only hope. As I told someone before, anyone who says “blah blah blah I wouldn’t root for the Cavs if LeBron came back” is delusional or not a Cavs fan. The man mature enough to realize that home is where the heart is would have to be a different person from the one who gave us a figurative dirty sanchez on national TV. Of course, wounds can cut deep, so it will take some of these people a long time to realize it.

      Or more simply, http://files.sharenator.com/haters_RE_Haters_Gonna_Hate-s526x350-62877-580.jpg

  • Faldor the Unruly

    This is very simple. If the Cavs want to win 55 to 65 games per season, then they should welcome back LeBron. If the Cavs want to win the NBA Championship, then they need to keep on rebuilding without LeBron. For the last three seasons in a row, in the later rounds of the NBA playoffs, LeBron has either choked or quit. There is no reason to believe that this behavior will change.

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    that was the most joy-less 28-5-5 line i’ve seen in .. ever.

    i think lebron will be back as soon as he can be.

  • Brian Sipe

    I am SOOOOOOOOOOO tired of local sports radio making a big deal about Bron coming back. 99% of people would welcome him back with open arms and it would not even be talked about 2 weeks after he was back. The avg person that calls in to complain does not pay for tickets so their vote does not count… and they too would be right back on board the minute the playoffs came around

    • Alexb

      real basketball fans though would not because they know what the cavs would have to sacrifice to bring him back. It boils down to are the cavs serious about winning or do they want the circus back in town?

  • 4Leaf440

    Dear Cleveland Frowns,

    Please don’t post pictures from sites such as RealCavsFans, a GREAT site, with knowledgeable members who self-funded and designed that banner, when you clearly are a Lebron crotch-sniffer. You’ve made excuse after excuse for LBJ while ignoring the good that the Cavs organization has/had done during Lebrons’s tenure in Cleveland as well as after (hello Clippers 1st round pick!). Haven’t notice many Cavs posts around here that don’t include some horseshit about Dan Gilbert personal attacks, his mortgage business, or Lebron. When it comes to the NBA, you’ve got your head up your ass. Also, you can save the cocky, biased, condescending “I’m always right” response. I won’t be reading it…

    • Believelander

      While I have mixed feelings on Gilbert in many regards, this whole attitude about him has blown way out of the realm of any objectivity in columns authored on this web site. The worst part is, the man crush LeBron fanboyism is so obvious it oozes from every apologizing word.

  • http://www.FromThisSeat.com/ FromThisSeat.com

    Yes, Lefraud always wants to be in the headlines and the spotlight. And the only reason Gilbert lashed out when he left town was because it hit Gilbert in his pocket book. Big time. And believe me, he would welcome Lebron back with open arms.

    • Alexb

      Lebron would have to felate Gilbert infront of an ESPN camera…..for sure he would welcome him back then. If there’s one thing that trumps money with these guys it’s ego. Lebron took a run at Gilberts ego….these owners are like old Romans and the players are their field ngrs.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t let LBJ see this: http://www.thepactthemovie.com/ he might need to start coming up with new excuses.

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