Colt McCoy and the 2012 Draft

by Cleveland Frowns on April 24, 2012

@rodofdisaster is the author of our in-season “Xs and Os with the Bros” feature. He’s also a University of Texas alum with some pre-draft thoughts on Colt McCoy. Enjoy.

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It was 2006. Austin, Texas was coming down from the high of a national championship several months earlier. Like every other Texas alum, I was glued to a quarterback battle between blue chip true freshman Jevan Snead and the underdog two-star recruit; a redshirt freshman from West Texas named Colt McCoy. McCoy won the job, and then a then-record 45 NCAA games and legendary status in Texas football history. He was undersized and underpowered QB by NFL standards and appropriately drafted in the third round by Cleveland in 2010.

McCoy, pictured in much happier times

Two years later, another draft looms ahead and it’s hard to think of a current NFL player whose future is as tied to the outcome as Colt’s is. He surprised everyone with a great run as a rookie and perhaps showed his greatest potential in an overtime loss to the Jets. Holographic chips and questionable biographies aside, he looked like he might beat the odds in the NFL just like he did in Texas. Yet his second year campaign saw him rank near the bottom of the league as a passer, nearly murdered by opposing defenses, concussed, and bogged down by an overbearing father and other unseemly off-field chirping. While McCoy’s toughness on the field is no longer a question, it seems a near certainty that the Browns will draft another quarterback in this draft.

I like to put NFL quarterbacks into four different categories:

“The Perennial All-Pro”- This quarterback not only has the mental and physical ability to play the game but can also carry the team on his back. He makes everyone around him better. Expect multiple Pro Bowl selections. Barring injury, the playoffs are a certainty. The only question is what stands between them and the Super Bowl. (Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning)

“The Solid Pro”- This is a quarterback who won’t necessarily carry his team but can play the position well enough that there are no questions about his basic abilities. Surrounded by an adequate cast and a good defense he should get you to the playoffs and perhaps even a Super Bowl if everything else is exceptional. Much harder to win but there’s no question you’re in playoff contention. (Matt Hasselbeck, Joe Flacco)

“The Question”- This player has “upside” or “potential” which translates into “there are holes in his game but we think we can fix them.” This player, by definition, has either a physical hindrance such as arm strength, accuracy or height or an intellectual one. You don’t know exactly how long it might take to get to the next level but your coach and GM will probably lose their job unless it happens very quickly. Your team may pour an investment of time (years) and money into these polarizing figures and ultimately come up empty. (Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn).

“The Dud”- This player really has no business being in the league. They aren’t common but they either have zero skill or they have a lack of professionalism or a character flaw that they cannot overcome (Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell)

A real danger for NFL franchises lies in incorrectly evaluating which group a quarterback falls in here.

It probably isn’t fair to lump a player into these groups before their third year but we all know the judgment happens sooner than that. Colt was very inaccurate last year. He struggled to move the team. Bottom line is that he didn’t win and he looked bad doing it.

Colt posted a pedestrian 74.5 passer rating and a completion percentage that was under 60%. That’s hardly going to get it done in the NFL. At some point in the middle of this past season, this Texas alum turned in his bandwagon ticket, as hard as it was to do. At some point in middle age, the recent QB from your alma mater feels more like your kid than your peer. Yet I reached the point last season where I believed it was more likely that Colt wouldn’t be the QB of the future for the Browns than that he would.

Even though I might be off of the bandwagon I do wonder if the critics (including myself) are too hard on Colt based on 2011. The optimist would say that his receivers led the league in drops. His offensive line gave up a QB hit 83 times (8th) along with 39 sacks (13th). He had a remarkably poor rushing offense around him averaging only 3.7 yards per rush. He had a coach whose offense he had to learn on his own without an OTA or preseason program. He had an offense that former NFL QB Dan Fouts remarked had no “hot route” concept and a play-caller who didn’t call a vertical route until the third quarter of that game. The play concepts seemed odd as his drops didn’t always match the depth of the pass pattern. He appeared to not have the authority to audible, which would limit any quarterback. While his accuracy was poor his bigger problem was holding the ball too long, which was not a problem at Texas where he knew the playbook and was on the same page as his receivers (though, admittedly, in a much simpler offensive scheme).

Last season saw a few rookie quarterbacks find varied degrees of success. Cam Newton was the Offensive Rookie of the Year. Andy Dalton and Tim Tebow led teams to the playoffs. Newton and Tebow each played for head coaches who were new to their teams. What does this tell us about Colt McCoy? It’s probably an apples-to-oranges comparison, because there are two advantages that each of those QBs had that Colt did not have. First, each of those teams had a greater threat of a running game as they weren’t married to the West Coast Offense. The Broncos and Panthers were #1 and #3 in rushing respectively. Second and perhaps more importantly, those coaches realized the limits of those players’ abilities and drew up offensive game plans that were comfortable for the player. Ron Rivera’s staff watched every Auburn game to develop concepts for Newton. John Fox and Mike McCoy switched to (and won with) a high school offense to suit Tebow. It might be that the Browns will not adjust to the abilities of their QB and would rather that he “sink or swim” running their predictable and rigidly Walshian offense.

The question now becomes not “what do I think about Colt McCoy?” but “what do the Browns think about Colt McCoy?” While the franchise’s heated pursuit of Robert Griffin III might say a lot about the answer to that question, in a few short days we’ll have more clarity.

If we take the organizations statements about the pursuit of RGIII at face value – that the player was too special to pass up, but that they still think Colt can be a good quarterback in the league — the Browns will not select Ryan Tannehill from Texas A&M at #4 (or, God forbid, trade up to #3 to get him). More likely, they’ll select an offensive weapon like Trent Richardson or Justin Blackmon at #4 and probably others with later picks, to give Colt another look with better talent around him. This wouldn’t preclude taking Brandon Weeden in the late first or early second round, or someone like Brock Osweiler, Kirk Cousins or Nick Foles in later rounds. Colt needs the competition. The Browns need the competition. The 2012 draft a watershed moment for player and team.

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Ed’s note: Don’t forget, the official Cleveland Frowns Draft Party at Map Room (sponsored by JIM BEAM) is in two days, with door PRIZES, discount brand name BOURBON and domestic drafts, non-specified discount appetizers, FREE pizza, LIVE drunk-tweeting, and an unspeakable MESS of talk about non-transdermal holographic chips and everything else that’s important. We’ll be back tomorrow here for more draft talk, etc.

  • BIKI024

    well done per usual Rod!

    on another note, good to see and read Pinkston’s Twitter updates (and WFNY article yesterday) on his offseason workouts, including training at LeCharles’ training center.. at the very least, good to see the young fella putting in the necessary work to get better, even if it doesn’t improve his cement-bucket like feet..

    • dubbythe1

      If there is one thing I truly believe in the Browns this year, it is that almost all of them are hungry and want to learn or improve, which is a good thing.

      • Petefranklin

        I just dont think we have the coaching staff to teach that improvement that is needed.

        • ClevelandFrowns

          At least we have LeCharles.

          • Petefranklin

            So we have that going for us. Gungala Gungala!

        • dubbythe1

          I have my doubts about our coaching, especially on the offensive side (top to bottom).

          • rodofdisaster

            True, but if they get some playmakers, they…like Colt…will be out of excuses.

          • Petefranklin

            I’m of the opinion that coaching makes ordinary players playmakers. They will have plenty of excuses again next year…we started rookies, we had no QB, we’re young blah blah blah, next year(2013) we’ll be good just watch…and dont ask me for playoff tickets!

          • rodofdisaster
          • BIKI024

            we had injuries to our receivers, we had injuries to our running backs, blah blah blah

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Agreed. This Pinkston article might be the best thing I’ve read about the Browns since Mangini was here. http://www.foxsportsohio.com/03/30/12/One-Cleveland-Brown-is-determined-to-get/landing_browns.html?blockID=699226&feedID=3659

  • rgrunds

    I’m a mindless Rod Groupie. “I lived on cheese corn and diet pepsi during the Rod tour.”

    Right, precipitous moment for the Browns. Don’t Fuck It Up.

  • CleveLandThatILove

    What’s the over/under on how many games until Colt moves out of “The Question” category and into “The Dud” slot?

    Thanks, Rod. As always, superb.

    • rodofdisaster

      CTIL- as much as I am pessimistic about the possibility of Colt being “the guy”, I am still very comfortable that he won’t be considered a “dud”. He has some ability but he was drafted as a third round project with questions and he remains that. He is who we thought he was.

      • actovegin1armstrong

        They were who we thought they were….
        “He is who we thought he was”
        Nice job Rod’o, on the quip and the whole blog du jour.

      • dubbythe1

        Hoggrem is gud at drafting backups!

        • Kamov

          Sounds like a name J.R.R. Tolkien could have come up with. “One ring to rule them all.”

  • Fool Me Once

    Not sure if McCoy is great or terrible or a career backup, however I think our problems run far deeper at this. Would Bill Walsh still insist on running a purified WCO today? Would he do so without Jerry Rice and Joe Montana?

    We are 25+ years since the WCO came to be. Schemes have changed. The league has changed. And yet we have an unqualified dummy in way over his head steering this ship. I’ll let you guess who I’m talking about, but there are several correct answers.

    • BIKI024

      are you implying that we run a “purified WCO”? whatever that means. is that one of the playbook options on the lastest Madden or something? it’s amazing how many offensive geniuses we have in our fanbase that can recognize intricacies of an offense by maybe seeing plays a few times or less.

      that being said, as Rod pointed out, Colt (and Shurmur) didn’t really have much to work with last year. i’m caustiously optimistic that if we give Colt (and Shurmur/Chilly) some playmakers that we should be able to address the glaring weaknesses (drops, yards per carry, QB hurries, completion %, yards per attempt, etc) and give us a better chance to score TDs to hopefully win more games than we lose as we continue to develop this young roster.

      • dubbythe1

        somewhere in the middle of these two ends is the truth, being that I am sure we dont run an absolute ‘pure’ WCO, but also they had a short offseason, but also 16 games to refine themselves and get comfortable, yet they never did.

        • BIKI024

          we’re looking at 3-4 new rotation players on offense, hopefully upgrades from last year as well as having overall a healthy unit, in addition to progressions that the current guys have hopefully made. i expect a good year from MoMass, homeboy will be playin for a contract.

      • Fool Me Once

        Purified in the sense that we don’t bend our offense to suit our talent (or lack-thereof). And our playcalling/plays are the basis for drinking games around the league based on their lack of imagination.

        You can argue that Mike Lombardi isn’t a genius either, but he’s got some credibility, right?

        ““The Browns are so integrated into the West Coast system that their predictability is becoming legendary around the league,” Lombardi writes.

        The Browns are running the purest West Coast offense in the league. Other successful teams run West Coast offenses, but they mix up their systems a lot more.

        http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/05/browns-offense-getting-reputation-for-predictability/

        • BIKI024

          there were countless wide open looks that Colt missed throughout the year, many big holes our RBs couldn’t find, and many big drops by the receivers. yes, he called a relatively conservative game, but the players didn’t really help that much either. plus he wouldn’t be the first coach in ohio to play extremely close to the vest. we’ll see how we do with an infusion of talent and a full offseason to learn from his “mistakes”

  • actovegin1armstrong

    Rod’o,
    I have been watching Weeden, Richardson, and Blackmon games.
    I hate to admit that I like Richardson, Weeden has a great arm, but he makes very obvious mistakes and you were right months ago, it is great to see the way Blackmon goes after the ball.
    However…..
    I would still like Claiborne at #4.
    Kendall Wright, Luke Kuechly, Mark Barron, or even Coby Fleener at 22.
    And at 37, or even lower, Alshon Jeffrey, Ruben Randall, or whichever QB takes the obligatory precipitous plunge. I like Weeden, Cousins and Russell Wilson.

    What are your potential picks and what picks/players do you like Rod’o?

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Kuechly or Barron at 22 is not going to happen.

      • actovegin1armstrong

        Aaron Rodgers at 24 was absolutely impossible too.

        You are probably correct Frownie, but in this year’s “we only speak of offense” draft, it could happen.

        • ClevelandFrowns

          If we end up with Richardson and Kuechly bup will levitate out of the Map Room.

          • actovegin1armstrong

            Frownie,
            I am certain that it shall be a long and interesting evening, however in regard to Bupa you may be confusing levitate with regurgitate.

          • BIKI024

            who do you want Frownie, have you made your draft preference known?

          • ClevelandFrowns

            TRich first, then Claiborne, though I guess I could live with Kalil over Claiborne if he’s there. I dunno. Not really rocket science is it?

        • bupalos

          If Kuechly slips past 12 I’ll eat my hat. Past 18 I’ll eat your hat. If Eric Mangini were still alive, he’d be going somewhere between number 3 and 5 I think.

          I’ve been watching more Weeden and I’m kind of not seeing it now. He’s not NFL ready. I’d wait for him at 37 and not care if he didn’t fall there. All those second tier QB’s are a total crapshoot. One of them will probably be good, but I don’t think anyone can really guess which one. I’d actually bet on Foles if I had to. But I’m glad I don’t have to.

          • actovegin1armstrong

            You are a foolish kid Bupa,
            I have a head just slightly bigger than a minor planet. I always had to have my helmets special ordered. And, when they say “one size fits all” on a hat, it should say “One size fits all, except those freaks with encephalomegaly”.

          • actovegin1armstrong

            And Bupa…..
            You made a mistake in your comment:
            “All those second tier QB’s are a total crapshoot.”
            I fixed it for you,
            “All those QB’s are a total crapshoot.”

          • p_forever

            STOP HATING ON QB’s lolol.

          • NeedsFoodBadly

            Yeah. Screw reaching for a QB – with the 3rd pick, the Browns should be able to get someone very good for the right side of the O-line, get that locked up for the future.

        • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

          kuechly more likely than barron — i cant see the jets passing on a big stud safety when the play gronkowski twice a year.

          and i dont know if kuechly addresses the chronic SLS (slow-linebacker-syndrome) with the browns.

          due to his low bench press, maybe upshaw is available at 22… that’d be very cool/excellent, imo. he’s a playmaker.

          but i agree acto, the buzz seems very offense-centric.

          • bupalos

            >>>and i dont know if kuechly addresses the chronic SLS (slow-linebacker-syndrome) with the browns.>>>

            Why so Kanick? I don’t doubt the 4.58 was a little flukey, but on film he’s not only very fast but his routes and anticipation seem to always get him where he needs to go a little faster than everyone else thinks he’s going to get there.

          • Captain_Spaulding

            Agreed; speed is not an issue w/Kuechly. I think the fact that he is white leads people to believe that he is not a great athlete. One look at his combine numbers should alleviate any of those concerns.

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            well he’s ILB (right?) so dont know how that works moving to OLB.
            but i admit, that’s a better 40 than i expected.
            Mychal Kendricks is the guy im thinking of for that purpose.

          • bupalos

            He’s just played there because that’s where BC got the most out of him. He’s going to be a cover guy in the NFL and I think he’s a perfect guy to pair with what we’ve got.

            He does get pushed around just a little, but I think it’s more because he concentrates on where he’s going and where the ball is more than winning engagements. I saw like a half dozen plays where he seemed to get wiped out, and then it turned out he was the one that made the tackle.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            Say “Keuchly flukey” five times fast.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            I don’t remember where it was (ESPN Mag?) that I read that Keuchly is the best pass covering LB to enter the draft in years.

    • rodofdisaster

      Acto- I think that the most glaring deficiency on this team is an explosive player on offense. Whether that should be a WR or RB is open for debate. Some people will argue that if you want your identity to be a passing team, then Blackmon. If running, then TRich. Both are physical upgrades and should make the team better. You don’t win a lot of games scoring 218 points a season. The Browns don’t have a WR or RB who really scares anyone especially not Pittsburgh or Baltimore.

      Taking Claiborne or Kalil would get you a good player but improving areas of strength isn’t going to improve your team nearly as much. A player in the top 5 should be an immediate upgrade.

      For my money, #4 cannot be Tannehill. He’s not nearly as good at his position as any of the other options are at theirs. I would take TRich at 4 as he figures to not only touch the ball more but also may open up the passing game by keeping defenses honest. The problem is that there are several teams ahead of #22 who will be looking at receivers. The Browns may need to trade up to get the man they want. I would like Stephen Hill here. Kuechly isn’t making it out of the top 15. The Browns may like a different WR here. If TRich goes at 3 (and I wouldn’t trade up one spot to guarantee him) I would without hesitation take Blackmon. You could then take Weeden at 22 or 37 as well as a RB. I would stay away from Lamar Miller as he stood up NFL radio yesterday morning for his scheduled interview.

      • actovegin1armstrong

        Rod’o,
        Steven Hill?
        I hope that you watched more of his play than I have.
        I only saw two games and he reminded me of a taller, faster, Roberto Duran.
        They both had hands of stone, but Duran had better footwork.

        I am obviously not an expert, but Hill looked lost on some routes and the ball kept hitting him in a bad place, his hands.

  • Captain_Spaulding

    I generally agree w/Rod re: Colt; I think he has a ceiling of “Solid Pro” and a floor of “The Question.” I don’t think he’s a total dud, but he almost certainly will never be a “Perennial All-Pro.”

    With that said, I will be fine if the Browns address the QB position early, but not at #4 and not by selecting Ryan Tannehill at any point in the first round. I would feel much better about Weeden at #22 or #37, but I would also be fine if they addressed the position later with more of a project type QB and an eye towards the QB class of 2013 if Colt continues to struggle.

    What’s most important is that the Browns come away with at least 3 day 1 starters and hopefully a few pleasant surprises with their bounty of late rounders. With 13 picks, I expect Heckert to target his players and move around as necessary to make sure they end up with the right guys at the right positions.

    Needless to say, I have thought entirely too much about this draft over the past several months and I am looking forward to finally seeing how this is going to shake out.

    • BIKI024

      CAN’T WAIT

    • dubbythe1

      “Needless to say, I have thought entirely too much about this draft over the past several months and I am looking forward to finally seeing how this is going to shake out. ”

      we would expect nothing less from the days leading up to “Cleveland’s Super Bowl”

  • technivore

    Motion to rename this feature “O’s and X’s for fans of both sexes”, as per (I think it was) CLTIL’s suggestion last fall.

    Also, great work as always.

    • mo_by_dick

      Football Splendor for those of Any Gender!

      • actovegin1armstrong

        “The Football Fix for Chumps and Chicks”

        • mo_by_dick

          “It ain’t no fun (if the homeys can’t have none)”

          • CleveLandThatILove

            Rod’s Pearls, for Boys and Girls!!!

          • Beeej

            COOL IT!!!

  • Jim

    Did you run those categories by Joe Flacco? Pretty sure he’d tell you he belongs in “the perennial All-Pro” category, presumably listed before Brady, Manning etc.

  • mo_by_dick

    As always, I am excited for the draft, especially the first round, but I’m also sad to admit that I’m pretty jaded on the Browns right now. In years past, I might have kept myself up on the internet obsessing over a player/fretting about another team trading up to grab “our guy,” but I am just refusing to do it this year. Ever since the top-level QBs were spoken-for, I resolved to not be disappointed at anything, and am just hoping for some players that compete & are fun to watch — I believe Mr. Kanicki refers to them as “ballers.” Cleveland Fucking Browns.

    I only write this because I’ve been feeling guilty about my not-really-giving-a-shit at what seems to be a potential turning point for the franchise, and maybe some of you feel the same. I’ll let you know how this new low-stress approach works for me.

    Feel free to throw this in my face if I just start stress-eating Map Room chili dogs at some point during the draft.

    • CleveLandThatILove

      Join me at the Bitter table on Cynical Island. (Or is it Skeptical Island, I never can tell the diff.)

      • mo_by_dick

        Fantastic, it will be nice to get a seat before it fills up. I hope you like chili dogs!

        • bupalos

          Looks like the idealistic hopeful dreamers will have to start as a table of one. Maybe after the alcohol starts soaking in some of the bitters will drift towards my ignorant bliss.

          I swear to god people, TRich (Jim Brown), Keuchley (Clay Mathews), and a right tackle (Kanicki)… and this is a different team. I can see it. I see things.

          • mo_by_dick

            Make no mistake, I’m high-fiving everyone in sight regardless of who is picked. Within reason.

          • CleveLandThatILove

            My guess is that even you will have a hard time watching the screen for picks 1 and especially 2.

            Maybe there should be some type of distracting, alternative entertainment for that portion of the broadcast – Frowns? Dunk tank? YMCA maybe?

      • actovegin1armstrong

        CLTIL,
        Does the Cyanide Island table have chili dogs?

        • CleveLandThatILove

          Yes, and a vomitorium. Also a padded top for unlimited head-banging.

          I called ahead for a seat belt on my chair due to age and deconditioning w/r/t hard alcohol.

          • rodofdisaster

            Now I am really upset that I will miss it…

          • CleveLandThatILove

            Yes, doesn’t it sound delightful? If they have WiFi I promise to tweet things that are stellar and of course don’t involve me, if I can still operate my iPad in the clutch. I still don’t have a big girl phone.

          • actovegin1armstrong

            CLTIL,
            If Rod’o is ready for our trip I will bring a couple dozen air cards, “free internet for everyone”.

          • actovegin1armstrong

            Rod’o,
            My car gets 50MPG, so it will not cost us very much. If we leave now we can make it with no problem.
            Could you stand having an idiot ask you questions about football for 20 hours?
            Then could you handle another bunch of fans asking questions about the draft at the Map Room?
            You can start drinking as soon as we get in the car, I will bring the cheap gin and a couple of cases of cold 512 IPA.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            NO EXCUSES.

        • Beeej

          I believe it is also serving Kool Aide. Make mine a double.

  • p_forever

    can you please explain – and i swear it’s not just because i am a complete nd homer – why is blackmon a better pick than floyd?

    also: if the browns had really been in “heated pursuit” of rgIII we would be drafting him on thursday. we didn’t have the will to get him, and that’s the only reason we didn’t get him. which means that the browns organization still has plenty of confidence in colt mccoy.

    which means: i completely agree that the strategy for our highest picks will be to get offensive weapons with which to surround colt. i’m fine with this strategy, btw – NOT because i think colt will ever rise past the “questionable” category, but because the only qb’s worth taking in the first round are luck and rgIII and we aren’t getting them. so fine – get a running back and a receiver – i much prefer richardson with the #4 than blackmon (see above – i’d never take blackmon over floyd anyway, unless you give me a really good answer to my question). i’m completely on board with taking a qb in the later rounds and hoping that he turns into the next tom brady, but gives colt some competition and the brownies some options in the meantime.

    • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

      Floyd’s injury and off field history raise a big red flag because Goodell does not hesitate to drop the hammer on a fool. So while Floyd might be a better overall football player (and I happen to think he is), he has three alcohol violations to Blackmon’s one.

      • p_forever

        i can’t argue with the one versus three alcohol violations, but in the realm of off field issues, those seem like small offenses, and i wouldn’t think they are the type that would make you worry come draft time (especially because blackmon also has one, so we’re not talking about a total innocent compared to a degenerate). and you’re right – floyd was a bit injury prone at nd (not just this last year). still. i’d be super sad if the browns took blackmon over him.

        • dubbythe1

          true, but we arent far enough removed from the past WR divas who basically skewed the scale and left Blackmon, Floyd, et al with the scale they are rated on. Also, Blackmon is rated higher in pundit opine, not necessarily on draft boars.

          • p_forever

            i suppose you’re right. stupid WR divas.

    • actovegin1armstrong

      p_4,
      The word from at least one of the cognescenti is that Floyd does not interview well and he has had more off the field problems than the ones that are readily reported.
      I like him better than Blackmon anyway, but character and maturity issues mean a lot on draft day. No one wants him to “Ryan Leaf” all over the place.

      More importantly, I have every right to “hate on QB’s”.
      Ever football player, or former nobody almost football player hates QB’s.
      Every player on D wants to smash or pick off the QB.
      Most of the guys on offense understand that all of their problems are because their QB sucks.
      Even the liquored up kickers hate QB’s. (See Peyton Manning.)

      I even had to play QB on rare occasions, (I would wing it into the endzone on long “Hail Mary’s”) and for those brief 6 or 7 seconds I hated myself.

      • NeedsFoodBadly

        I hated QBs because they kept sticking their hands in my crotch.

        In a weird sort of way, I kind of hope that Floyd does have some unreported issues, because if he’s getting that much flack for underage drinking, it’s ridiculous. OMG, a college kid got drunk, stop the presses.

        • CleveLandThatILove

          He just got caught more than Blackmon, let’s be honest.

          • NeedsFoodBadly

            exactly. Getting caught for underage drinking is much more due to bad luck than poor decision making.

      • p_forever

        oh man there’s no possible way floyd will ryan leaf it. but i get your point.

        but when it comes to QB’s you are all wrong. when they’re good – or when they usually suck but do something really good – they are irresistible, even when they are perfect a$sholes* (like dan marino, who looked like he wanted to kill his receivers half the time). they also get to remain pretty, because they don’t have to get all huge and bulky and no one is allowed to touch them. except their beautiful wives and hoards of adoring women (and they always do have hoards, because of the remaining pretty thing).

        hey look on the bright side – for 6 or 7 seconds there you were completely irresistible acto :)

        *a$shole qb’s are irresistible, but not rapist qb’s. that kind sucks no matter how good they are on the field.

        • actovegin1armstrong

          Thank you for the terrific set up, but I will pass, it is too easy.
          “wives and hoards”
          We shall make both of those words start with a W and let the repartee begin from there.

          I was never a “completely irresistible” QB, not even for 6 seconds. I have always looked like an angry, constipated, gorilla.

    • Captain_Spaulding

      Blackmon is not better than Floyd and I won’t be the least bit surprised to see Floyd come off the board first, leaving Blackmon as a fringe top ten pick.

      Floyd put up record numbers with very average QB play; Blackmon put up similar numbers with excellent QB play and an offense that threw the ball 50+ times every week.

      I don’t think Floyd’s “off field issues” are of any real significance for any NFL GM, and they will not affect where he is drafted.

      • p_forever

        (not sure why but that posted twice – not sure why but i can’t delete my whole comment so i had to put in this filler – sorry about that.)

    • GrandRapidsRustlers

      I love the fact that Floyd had a great year with the joke that is the ND QB situation. Nothing against Blackmon but Weeden will you know be drafted…I can’t get over the fact that half the MAC has a better QB situation than Notre Dame.

      • ClevelandFrowns

        There were very few things worse in all of football last season than Notre Dame’s quarterbacks.

        • Captain_Spaulding

          Exactly; which makes Floyd’s record breaking numbers that much more impressive. A trade back for Floyd is my clear choice if someone jumps to #3 for Richardson. What say you, Frowns?

          • p_forever

            yes please.

        • Jim

          You apparently didn’t watch Joe Bauserman play.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            I went out of my way to avoid it.

      • Captain_Spaulding

        The QB situation will be vastly improved this year; see Golson, Everett:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcd0CED1yKI

        • GrandRapidsRustlers

          Agreed. I like him a lot. I just can’t get over how bad Rees was. Everett has an absolute cannon that if he ever figures out means better day in South Bend.

        • p_forever

          i agree re golson and everett, but i’m worried anyway. i still angst about the brian kelly hire all the time. skip was my choice.

          • Captain_Spaulding

            If Kelly can’t bring ND back, nobody can; that guy knows how to win football games as well as anybody.

      • p_forever

        me either :/

    • rodofdisaster

      P4, I don’t feel qualified to say that Blackmon is clearly better than Floyd between the lines because I have seen a lot more of Blackmon than Floyd so I feel that I am biased. They both do something that no Browns receiver seems to do well: fight for the ball in traffic. I don’t know that Floyd separates vertically from defenders like Blackmon does but that’s just a perception.

  • GrandRapidsRustlers

    No on Tannehill at any point.

    No on Foles at any point.

    Other than that just get playmakers and as much talent as possible.

    We have a LT and a K…that’s it folks!

    • Captain_Spaulding

      Off topic here, but are you really from Grand Rapids? I was there a couple weeks ago and had a hell of a time; very underrated city.

      • GrandRapidsRustlers

        Not anymore…spent my early childhood there…early 80s…great city. Tie in my love of the Indians and it makes for a perfect Internet name with where the Indians started.

  • architectartvandelay

    I am of the opinion to not use the #22 or the 2nd round pick on a QB. I would like to see a QB drafted but later as I feel those early picks would be better served to pick players who will play immediately ie WR or Right tackle. Not to say a QB could not beat out Colt but it is highly unlikely. Take a shot on Cousins, Wilson, Lindley (Sipe apprentice) or BJ Coleman with 1 of the 8 picks the Browns have in rounds 4,5, & 6.

    • NeedsFoodBadly

      liked for the logic and the delightful user name

  • Bryan

    I would be in favor of Smokin’ Weeden with 37, or a Foles/Cousins/Osweiler type in the 4th round or later. Otherwise, let’s take the best talent available, confirm that Colt is indeed a dud, and then pursue a QB next year.

  • Woodyjohns

    McCoy has better stats in his first 2 years than Steve Young did when he was with Tampa Bay. Just sayin’.

    • mo_by_dick

      I know you’re just sayin’, and that’s fine, but i’m just sayin’ back:

      http://goo.gl/k8ZNU

      • Hamfist

        Haha!! Awesome!!

  • p_forever

    this is lionel richie’s “hello” video part deux, right? cripes.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/trending/post/_/id/497/subway-unveils-rg3-statue-made-of-chicken

  • CleveLandThatILove

    Does the Maproom have WiFi?

  • Jim Brown

    When Mike Holmgren claims that Colt McCoy is his guy, I believe
    him as much as people believed John Elway when he stated, matter of
    factly, that Tim Tebow was his guy and he was going to stick with
    him…lol. Colt McCoy is what the Cleveland Browns are stuck with,
    until the Browns management is able to get an NFL caliber quarterback
    for their team. What do you get when you put the best NFL line and the
    best receiving corps together with Colt McCoy, that’s easy…a losing
    NFL football team. It’s not rocket science, and no matter what spin
    Mike Holmgren puts on it, when he tells himself the truth, he knows
    that currently the Cleveland Browns don’t have a single NFL caliber
    quarterback on their team and he knows it. To give you a
    perspective here, Tim Tebow is a 5 times better NFL caliber quarterback
    than any quarterback currently on the Cleveland Browns roster!!!!
    That fact is pretty sad when you sit down and think about it, and it
    clearly shows how bad the Cleveland management has done the past
    several years!

  • CleveLandThatILove

    Goodness gracious, Indians fans. Hannahan is on FIRE. It’s all good. Oh, yeah.

    • BIKI024

      yeah but Vinnie Pestano gave up a run, same with Chris Perez, how dare they!?!? oh wait, we won. 7th Save for CP. 4th Hold for Pestano.. back in 1st place

  • rodofdisaster

    Per Bob Papa: “Mark Ross (Giants VP of College Scouting) says they laugh at mock drafts. The teams have FAR more information to work with than the fans and media do. This includes a ton of background and interview information.”.

    Worth noting as we get crazy over one player vs another.

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