Indians closer Chris Perez tells working stiffs of Cleveland to suck it up and spend more money on Major League Baseball and $8 beers

by Cleveland Frowns on May 21, 2012

If you missed it over the weekend, Indians closer Chris Perez unleashed on Cleveland fans in response to having been booed by a handful of them at home last Thursday after he allowed a couple of baserunners in a game that he eventually closed out for his 13th save in 14 opportunities this season. Some of Perez’s response was fair enough (“They haven’t even scored yet and you’re booing me?”), but the rest devolved into an incredibly myopic complaint about low attendance at Progressive Field, and how it’s not as “fun” to play in Cleveland as it is in other MLB cities.

“It’s just a slap in the face when you’re last in attendance,” Perez said. “Last. It’s not like we’re 25th, 26th. We’re last. Oakland’s outdrawing us. It’s embarrassing. … It’s not a good atmosphere. It’s not fun to be here.

“If you have a choice to go to an atmosphere where it’s fun, like Philadelphia,” he added, “that helps you get through some seasons sometimes.”

Chris Perez will make $4.5 million this season for pitching about one inning in every other game or so, and if you were wondering how he was going to make it all the way through the season, now you know that he might not. Unless he’s traded somewhere fun like Philadelphia.

And if you needed Chris Perez to tell you, now you also know that it’s more fun for baseball players to play Major League Baseball in places where it’s also more fun to be a Major League Baseball fan; like Philadelphia, where the local TV contracts are at least three times as lucrative as they are in Cleveland, allowing the local MLB owners to spend at least three times as much on world class baseball players as they do in Cleveland.

So it’s more fun to play on a team with a 174 million dollar payroll than it is to play on a team with a 78 million dollar payroll. While anyone might rightly complain about this state of affairs, to blame it on Cleveland fans is another thing entirely.

It’s hard to tell whether anyone in the local press bothered to ask Perez whether he’s considered that MLB’s glaring and growing competitive balance issues might be a better target for his ire than the Cleveland fans who pay his salary, but much worse that some of them rushed to join the closer’s criticism. Of course, the folks who cover Major League Baseball for a living want you to pay more attention to Major League Baseball, too, but the truth is just too depressing or otherwise too hard to talk about here. Even Terry Pluto, while mentioning that the Indians traded two consecutive Cy Young Award winners in two consecutive seasons in an otherwise balanced and informative piece on Perez’s comments, completely ignored the underlying economic issues that necessitated (or at least heavily influenced) those trades.

Naturally, the Indians organization ignored these issues as well in distancing itself from Perez’s comments. Of course, he was wrong to attack the fans, said team President Mark Shapiro, but shucks if Perez wasn’t on to something about how everybody should be coming down to spend money at the ballpark.

“Talking to [Perez], I think some of his hope is that’s what he’s saying.” Shapiro explained. “He’s saying, ‘Hey, pay attention. Good things are happening here. Look at this ballpark, look at what you’ve got here. Come on out.’ I don’t know whether that will happen, but I would conjecture that part of his desire is for that to happen.”

Sure. Perez, the local MLB press, and the Indians organization are all on the same page here.

Meanwhile, the fans will keep doing what makes sense. Nevermind the economy, or that Cleveland was hit as hard by the housing bubble as any place in the country. Increasingly growing competitive balance issues simply make for increasingly less compelling competition. Rooting for the Indians, the $79M team, over the $150M teams and the $200M teams is like paying the same entry fee to play in a poker tournament against folks who will start with up to four times as many chips. It’s naturally hard to get up for this sort of thing, especially given the near certain fate of any hometown player that develops into a superstar. First place or not, it’s a long season, and Vegas, after updating the odds over the weekend, still has the Tigers as an overwhelming (1/8 — bet $8 to win $1) favorite to win the AL Central.

If the Tribe can buck the odds to keep it up, make a pennant race of it and/or make the Playoffs, folks will buy plenty of tickets. In the meantime, the games will be easy enough to follow on TV, the $1 beers will continue to taste a lot better than the $8 ones, and Chris Perez will be far from the only one in need of help to get through the season.

  • wiseoldredbeard

    You know, you can get an extra large beer in the bleachers for $9.50 (24 oz), so we’re really talking about $4.75 a beer — but point well taken.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Are you sure it’s 24 oz. and not 16 or 18?

      • wiseoldredbeard

        Very sure. Enjoyed three of them on Sat. I think you can only get them at the bar in the bleachers, though….

        • actovegin1armstrong

          You drank three of them and still made it to your seat before the first pitch. Good job!

          I saw you at the game.
          However, I always get confused about dances, you were the tall redhead guy swinging his shirt above his head.
          I got that much, but was that while you were doing a Rumba, or some Salsa/Tejano derivative?

          • wiseoldredbeard

            I have a feeling you are confusing your visit to the Crazy Horse for the Tribe game. Everyone knows that gingers don’t take their shirts off in the sun.

          • Beeej

            Not unless that want to be sparkling all over the place.

      • wiseoldredbeard

        I’m a little surprised Frownie doesn’t know about this!!!

        • ClevelandFrowns

          I’m a little embarrassed.

    • Metcalfupthemiddle

      Don’t be so sure of this deal… Sorry if you have seen this

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhh2WjZ7-uk

      • Steve

        They sell 24 oz cans.

  • Jim

    There is certainly a combination of factors contributing to people staying away from Indians’ games. The money spent on payroll shouldn’t be one of them. Nine teams have lower payrolls than the Indians, including such heavyweights as the Pirates, Royals, Astros, and Athletics. Each and every one of those teams has significantly outdrawn the Indians this season. I have friends who are Royals (they do exist) and Pirates fans, and they are just as disillusioned with the increased disparity between the haves and the have not’s in major league baseball as you or I. Yet they still outdraw the Indians by over 7,000 a game.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      “There is certainly a combination of factors contributing to people staying away from Indians’ games. The money spent on payroll shouldn’t be one of them.”

      Because you say so? This makes no sense at all.

      There are surely other reasons why folks in the cities you mention outdraw the Indians (including being much more populous cities in some cases), but none of it begins to prove that competitive imbalance isn’t a significant issue.

    • ChuckKoz

      Houston: 5th largest metro in US (3X pop of cle)

      Oakland: better weather in early season, 8th largest metro (2X pop of cle)

      Pitt: slightly larger city, high hopes after last years promising team, on the road for much of April (the worst weather month), and a home series against Philly (spill over fun factor for fans, obviously)

      KC: same population, but high hopes coming in to this year. many publications had this as their breakthru season (meaning best case scenario: they are in 1st at the all star break only to lose the division….meanwhile, CLE fans just saw that scenario last year, so optimism was low)

      • mo_by_dick

        Also, Oakland signed a marquee/hyped free agent in the off-season in Cuban defector Yoenis Cespedes — he of the legendary workout video. Thought he would’ve been a great fit on the Indians.

  • kjn

    “If the Tribe can buck the odds to keep it up, make a pennant race of it and/or make the Playoffs, folks will buy plenty of tickets.”

    I don’t know if this is necessarily true. I guess it depends on how you define “plenty”. In ’07, we were in the bottom third of attendance and that was during a very competitive, fun battle for the AL Central plus a trip to the ALCS. For the Indians, winning != ticket sales.

    I don’t think the fan base will ever accept Dolan as owner. Beyond that, I don’t think any other ownership group could do better/spend more considering the market limitations.

    And maybe the local economy can’t support the Tribe. But if that is the case, don’t be surprised when the team uses that as justification to move the team.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Good points. A lot does depend on how you define “plenty.”

      • http://twitter.com/musicman06 Chris Music

        I would hope they all sell out, though it was pretty easy to get tickets for the ALCS in 2007. I ended up getting 8 tickets for that game on Ticketmaster the day before the game. I do think that enough sheep would flock to the stadium if the “Savior” of Cleveland, Dan Gilbert were to purchase the team, adding another asset to his “entertainment corridor.”

        • acb

          ‘I do think that enough sheep would flock to the stadium if the “Savior” of Cleveland, Dan Gilbert were to purchase the team, adding another asset to his “entertainment corridor.”‘

          -It’s like we’ve shared horrible, horrible nightmares.

  • http://twitter.com/MartinRickman Martin Rickman

    to be fair it is easy to sneak a flask in and you can get tickets for like three dollars plus the sun is free outside

  • http://twitter.com/MartinRickman Martin Rickman

    to be fair it is easy to sneak a flask in and you can get tickets for like three dollars plus the sun is free outside

    • kjn

      Also, can’t you bring in your own food and drinks now?

      They really have done a lot to make going to the ballpark affordable.

      • ClevelandFrowns

        I think you’re allowed to bring your own food. As for drinks, I think it’s limited to water, but I’m not sure.

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    ive moved past the well known and well documented assholery of chris perez. he’s been a lazy boor displaying declining ability for several years. he’s never responded to criticism by working harder. the fan blaming from him is not new. nice ‘pulled oblique.’ he’s a passable closer, that’s it. that he picked a coincidental consecutive save streak (one of the more worthless baseball stastics, imo) to vent like this is no surprise. let’s see him stand up after a blown save and air his grievances.*

    the larger and sadder part of this (to me) are the self-loathing clevelanders with their ‘perez is right’ narrative. it’s like half the city turned into pussies. it’s our fault chris, you’re right. we’ll try to do better. don’t leave us for philadelphia. please love us. it’s pathetic.

    i dont think you can find a more egregious example of the entitled arrogant ut-of-touch athlete. would it be possible for him to work a few years at jiffy lube and let us know if it’s fun enough for him. because life, not just baseball, is supposed to be fun. but it’s kinda up to you chris perez to make it fun. you dick.

    *perez’ doing interviews after losses is NOT stand-up. he provides lip service of ‘taking responsibility’ which doesnt manifest in his taking responsibility. doesnt seem to result in working at his craft, tending to his physical fitness, and as he revealed this weekend, he’s always thought it was our fault he doesnt pitch better since we havent made it fun enough for him.

    • Jim

      I agree with most of your points except for “he’s… displaying declining ability for several years.” His numbers are significantly better than last season. K/9 is back to over 8, k/b is over 2.5, and opponent OPS is below .550. He also is throwing significantly harder. Last year he sat in the low 90′s. Saturday he touched 95 consistently.

      • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

        that’ll be great if he keeps it up. i allow that he looks to have lost some weight in the last month. all the credit in the world if he’s gotten serious about his craft. some cynics would point out that this is occurring in an arbitration year… but not me. :-)

        but i _would_ point out that after two years of decline, he started up this year with that dreaded oblique strain which, seems to me, is cured by a pilates class twice a week in the offseason.

        • kjn

          Players have three arbitration years. Any improvement in any of those years makes you a target for cynicism?

    • rgrunds

      I once had a lot of fun at a Jiffy Lube.

      • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

        i dont mean to disparage jiffy lube in any way. i often think it would a fun gig and the larger point is fun is what you make it. but at the same time, playing baseball for huge amounts of cash seems like it could be fun without a heavy lift for the participant.

        • rgrunds

          Don’t worry Jim. It was just a Dadaist comment referring to a particular adolescent event with a girlfriend in a Jiffy Lube parking lot. It was fun.

          • BIKI024

            much better than gettin busy in a Burger King bathroom!

    • BIKI024

      49 of 54 in save situations since start of 2011 with 13 saves in a row, 17 of 18 dating back to last season is just “passable” and “displays declining ability”??? sweet feathury jesus. talk about pathetic.

      • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

        passable. yes. passable. and that’s good. we want a passable closer. i bet hagadone would be passable plus: hey! he doesnt insult paying customers!!

        you realize that getting one out in with a three run lead is a save. that getting saves is determined by when the manager puts you in the game. it is not a great measure of pitching effectiveness.

        but you know biki, i dont mean to hurt the delicate feelings of chris perez by pointing any of this out. because what’s most important is having fun.

        • BIKI024

          yes i realize what a save is, but every reliever brought in closing situations are afforded the same paramaters of what constitutes a save, and yet he is Top 5 in MLB since start of 2011. it is what it is, the dude gets the job done.

          FWIW, his closing ratio in 1 run games is even better than his overall closing ratio, which is still top 3 in AL and as good or better than guys paid 2 or 3 time as much as him.

          as far as his feelings or his opinions, frankly i could care less, it’s a free world and he can say what he wants, as long as he keeps on converting save situations for us. if anything he has put more pressure on himself to perform, because whenever he does blow a save, the fans will definitely give it to him.

          in the meantime, it was definitely nice to see the attendance figures in the 30K range a night this weekend, let’s hope it keeps up.

          • smittypop2

            Closers are junk and EASILY replacable.

          • BIKI024

            well this year I’m glad we don’t have one that needs to be replaced, yet.. many other teams are struggling in the bullpen and closer positions. fortunately up-to-date it’s not a problem we face, and credit should be given to the guys in the BP. you play to win the game, fans shouldn’t have such thin skin and appreciate the wins while we get them, because they are few and far between from Cleveland teams.

    • kjn

      “he’s never responded to criticism by working harder”

      I’ve never heard anyone criticize his work ethic. Insider information?

      • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

        is this the ‘how would you know you’re not around’ trick?

        this snip concerning josh beckett and gammons’ defense could apply just as easily to perez and everyone article i’ve read except frowns’.

    • Fool Me Once

      It’s not self-loathing to acknowledge that things aren’t 100% right here. I honestly could care less if Chris Perez left via FA. God bless and good luck. But it’s foolish to assume that booing him or the team will foster increased motivation that in-turn translates to better performance. And it’s not exactly like he’s god awful. It’s counter-productive is all i’m saying. If he clearly didn’t give a damn (like Beckett) then that’s another story.

      I won’t begrudge anyone on the attendance problem, as that’s a personal decision to attend/not attend any game. As Frownie states there’s a myriad set of reasons behind that beyond just the economy. That said, it’s not Cleveland’s god given right to have 3 pro sport teams. And whether you hate entitled athletes or not, you usually can’t field a good team without at least a few of them.

  • Fool Me Once

    I’m certain to be in the minority here but i generally agreed with most of what Chris Perez said. It came off as authentic. This guy is clearly gives a damn, and it’s surprising that this specific trait doesn’t resonate with Clevelanders more. He’s not exactly Josh Beckett after all…

    • rgrunds

      Yeah, that was my take too. Perez is not going to make anyone forget Bertrand Russell, but I liked the authenticity of his remarks.

      • actovegin1armstrong

        Was Bertrand Russell a middle reliever for the Indians in the 80′s?
        His stats were confusing for me, you may even say paradoxical.

        • rgrunds

          It’s so fun here.

    • kjn

      I concur. Cleveland fans regularly boo’d Albert Belle too, which always surprised me. That surliness and disdain for the media should have made a hometown hero imo.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Gives a damn about what? Anyway, it’s one thing to be frustrated. It’s another thing to be effective in addressing the source of one’s frustration. The substance of his commentary was way off base.

      • Drumbiker

        His commentary comes off much better in video than print. The comments that read as disdainful come off as frustrated and hopeful when viewed. I was a lot less pissed after I saw the video. A lot like intepreting emotion in a curt email, I suppose.

  • rgrunds

    How can Perez live on 4.5 mil? He should write a novel about “how he overcame”.

    Actually, I like his nerve and the fact he doesn’t pander to management.

    He should be described as “Unexamined Anger”, not “Pure Rage”.

  • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

    …Like Philadelphia, where drunken fans vomit on children.

    http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Off-Duty-Officer-Daughters-Assaulted-at-Phillies-Game-90983739.html

    totally sounds super fun in Philly.

    • kjn

      Him invoking Philadelphia struck me as kind of odd. Those guys are notorious haters. Google tells me Phillies fans have booed-

      *a baseball tossing robot
      *a Hooters ball girl
      *Jayson Werth in Washington (they road tripped for that one)
      *a Special Olympics athlete

      I’d like to add Santa, but technically those were Eagles fans.

      • smittypop2

        Donovan Mcnabb, anyone who ever struggled, etc.

      • actovegin1armstrong

        kjn,
        The worst was when they were cheering Michael Irvin going off the field on a cart with a neck/spinal column injury that ended his career.
        They cheered and not in the “we salute your valor” way, but with the usual jeers, personal epithets, et cetera from the Philly epithites.

        • kjn

          Forgot about that one.

          I know they also have a rich history of throwing bottles and batteries. But we’re not exactly innocent on that front.

      • Petefranklin

        His whole “bullpen mafia” thing kind of reminds me of the retards at Paddys Pub in S Philly, no offense to retards. Always wanting something better, while screwing something else up. Anyway “Mr.Don” remember its always sunny in Cleveland, till you blow the world series.

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      that story always makes me laugh.

    • wiseoldredbeard

      I was wondering the same thing. As an aside, if Perez was in a bigger city on a big market team, chances are he’d have a lot less freedom to speak his mind. Oh, the irony… Maybe he should go play for the Yanks, where he would cut his hair, shave his beard, and turn off his twitter account. That sounds extra super duper fun.

    • rgrunds

      I’ve always wanted to Yak on a minor.

      • actovegin1armstrong

        rgrunds,
        Give it your best shot the next time you see Frownie, he works in a salt mine.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Craig Lyndall

    I have my own article coming later today (scheduled for noon, I think) on this, but I am on the same page. You can’t chide customers for doing something you think they “should” do. The customers either do or they don’t and everything else is up to you to change about yourself so they react the way you want. This includes not only the Dolans, but MLB as a whole as Frowns points out.

    • Steve

      But what the fans want is not something the Indians can do. The fans wanted the team to outbid NY or Philly for Sabathia or Lee. Even though the Indians have shown they can play good baseball without a $23 mill/year pitcher, fans are still upset about the trades. And when the Indians do discuss the market limitations, people in this town bitch and moan that the Dolan’s are just being cheap, when really, that isn’t true. Considering how much misplaced vitriol the fans have thrown at the Indians, I’m not surprised someone finally returned volley. I know, I know, you can’t piss off the customers, no matter how much they deserve it. But, damn, do they deserve it.

  • ChuckKoz

    excellent work frowns. that Tigers line really is incredibly telling and depressing.

  • BIKI024

    nothing on LBJ and the Heatles today Frowner? i know you must be ear-to-ear on the not only the SU win, but the ATS victory as well, quite a performance for LBJizzle foshizzle

    • smittypop2

      Congrats on beating an average team in the 2nd round when down 2-1 (with one of the other top 5 players in the league on your team). Round of drinks to the Heat.

      • BIKI024

        i think the Pacers have proven that they are not just an average team, in fact they had the 5th best record in the NBA and while they may not have any household name superstars, they have some very good pieces, vets and young guys who can ball. they have size, can defend, rebound, block, deflect and shoot. give Larry the Legend some credit Smitty, that’s a well put together team. and they have cap room for next year and could add a Eric Gordon or another stud 2 and they would be a matchup nightmare.

        • http://twitter.com/musicman06 Chris Music

          I don’t think they’ll have the $$ for Eric Gordon. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/indiana.htm. With the cap estimated at $60/61 M, and having 7 guys under contract (assuming Jones takes his option) for $34M I don’t see it, unless they decide to let George Hill walk. They’ve also gotta pony up to keep Hibbert around, and then fill 5 other roster spots.

        • Petefranklin

          The NBA officiating crew will see to it that the worst attended team will push the heat to 7. In reality they are no better than Den or LA, no matter how hot they got.

    • Jim

      Lebron has played very well in the series. I know he missed those two free throws in game two but he isn’t the super-duper star that was struggling. That would be D. Wade.

      As great as yesterday’s win was for the Heat, it has to be disconcerting that it took two epic playoff performances from Lebron and Wade to beat Indiana. Not sure they can replicate that in two of the next three games.

      • BIKI024

        Fact is, with the increased minutes, Lebron’s PER spits out similar type stats as well. the dude has always been a stat stuffing monster. yes, without Bosh, the onus is certainly on LBJ and Wade to put up big numbers, just like it was for them both before they teamed up. Hopefully their supporting cast can step up and provide some help, such as Haslem yesterday who definitely was huge down the stretch.

        • Petefranklin

          Hopefullyyy????? Whaaaa????I thought the point was to see the self appointed king dethroned from his bitch conference.

  • mo_by_dick

    INFORMATIVE SLIDESHOW FOR CHRIS PEREZ (text only version)

    - Here we have payroll figures for 1994-2012, juxtaposed with attendance figures for those same years. Let me know if you notice any correlations. Once you’re done there, notice how the gap in payroll between the top and the bottom team trends as time goes on. Don’t even try to chicken/egg me here, either — you know what time it is.

    - Here we have a list of homegrown talent that the Indians traded out of desperation/lost to free agency in their prime since their payroll dipped. You’ll notice that among these names, there are a couple Cy Young Award winners, and two of the top 15 power hitters of ALL TIME.

    - Here we have an exhaustive list of Indians’ Closers who have preceded you over that same period. See anyone you trust?

    - Here we have selected exploits of a man named Milton Bradley, a former Indian who was such a grade-A asshole that he practically necessitated the right for a fan to boo a player on a team that the fan otherwise supports unconditionally. The creator of this Informative Slideshow politely suggests that pro athlete temper tantrums are rather unbecoming, and has provided this extreme example for your edification.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Somebody should make these slides.

  • smittypop2

    The moral of the story is this asshat actually had the audactity to complain about his work not being “fun” enough. He makes 4.5 million a year to play a GAME!!!! He should try a regular job for a few weeks and see how fun that is. I will never, ever forgive him for these asinine comments when he has one of the easiest jobs in MLB and he should be able to do it a lot easier when no one is in the stands to boo him. Shut the f up, pitch your best and leave in FA if you are so unhappy here. I am sure if the Indians offered him 6mil and the Phillies offered him 5m he would be able to see the “fun” in Cleveland again.

    • smittypop2

      PS if this bum said this crap in NY, Chi, Philly, Boston, etc he would be booed the next 41 times he pitched. The booing would only stop when the season was over or he had to leave the team for unexplained illness. This would never stand there. Those fans boo the crap out of junk and complainers and why should be any different? Plenty of players have struggled here and not gotten booed because they don’t have the entitled attitude that he has shown. Shut up and pitch.

    • BIKI024

      you’re not even a Tribe fan anyway Smitty, go root for your Rays boy!

      • smittypop2

        Zing! I am a Tribe fan, I just really appreciate how the Rays do it against the high payroll juggernauts in the East. You agree with the founder of the bullpen mafia?

        • BIKI024

          it is what it is, at the end of the day he’s a 26 year old kid notorious for being a hot head. if that attitude is what makes him such a tough competitor and allows us to have one of the best closers in the game for a fraction of the market rate, then that’s the cost of doing business.

          as long as he continues to put together the type of outings he has for us, he can say anything he wants for all i care. like i said, if anything, i disagree because now he put more pressure on himself to perform. if he fails and gets booed, he has only himself to blame.

          but yeah, as far as the attendance, it’s a friggin shame. i’ve been home for a few weeks and have gone up to 3 games, so i can gladly say i’ve tried to play my part. when we goin to a game anyway Smitty? seems like you only have a couple months left of freedom, so let’s go up this week!

          • smittypop2

            I am up for going this week. LMK ace.

          • BIKI024

            let’s go to Verlander versus Masterson on Thurs. monster game.

          • Petefranklin

            Wish I could attend, I was pretty upset that back in the pennant days of 07 when I atteended my first Jake game, and 2 more out of a possible 6, that there were a crapload of available seats over labor day weekend, I was dumbfounded. That team was 10 times better than this version, and picked up KL #7 to boot.

      • Petefranklin

        And I guess you’re not a king hater, but at least I have 5 teams left to root for.

  • CleveLandThatILove

    I love Kenny Lofton more than ever.

    • wiseoldredbeard

      The Mayor of Cleveland.

      • CleveLandThatILove

        Ambassador of Kwan.

      • Petefranklin

        Governer of Arizona, hell Ill register to vote there for a good cause.

      • Petefranklin

        Governer of Arizona, hell Ill register to vote there for a good cause.

    • rgrunds

      Mindless groupie……

  • p_forever

    “Rooting for the Indians, the $79M team, over the $150M teams and the $200M teams is a lot like paying the same entry fee to play in a poker tournament against folks who will start with up to four times as many chips as we have. It’s naturally harder to get it up for this sort of thing …”

    seems exactly right.

    seems also, btw, to explain what sucks most about the heat – it just isn’t all that exciting to watch the team with all the chips win the game. it’s so blah.*

    *blah, btw, is not the same as hate. i get that i’m in the minority, but i’m a complete laodicean when it comes to the post-cleveland lebron. the second he turned his back on his destiny and joined the heat’s bully pulpit he ceased to interest me at all.

    • BIKI024

      how do you figure the Heat have all the chips to win? you need superstars to win in the postseason, that hasn’t changed since the early 80s.. at least, 2, maybe 3.. Miami isn’t the only team with multiple superstars. Boston, OKC, LAL, San Antonio have multiple superstars in terms of talent. Duncan, Parker, and Manu all are Top 10 in their position, not to mention a very deep bench with guys like Diaw, SJax, Splitter, Leonard, etc. seems like they are the favorite to win it all.

      • p_forever

        c’mon biki. yes some other teams have superstars; no no other team has one that is potentially the best that ever played, and another that’s arguably top 25 (and certainly as good as every other team’s best super star); and another that’s very very good. and no other team said hey world, we are putting together a team of superstars that can’t lose, hahaha watch us win.
        i mean – it’s one thing to be the playground bully. it’s another to seek out that position.

        if the heat lose it’s certainly not for lack of talent.

        the reason any other team is favored is because, lo and behold, even in the nba it takes more than pure talent to win.

        • BIKI024

          Tim Duncan is arguably the best Power Forward of all-time in the NBA, ever.. and certainly in discussion for one of the Top 10 to ever play the game.

          sure the Heat are top heavy with Bron and Wade, but 1-12, even 1-8 the Heat are not the most talented team in the NBA.

          • p_forever

            lol biki – i’m just taking the heat at their word. stop trying to turn me into a hater! they put their team of superstars together unapologetically saying they were just doing what everyone else wished they could do, and claiming stake to the title of biggest bully on the block. they embraced the role. they love the role. don’t be annoyed at me for ceding it to them.

          • BIKI024

            100% agree that it’s fair game to ridicule them for their boasts of winning “not four, not five, etc” but don’t feel that they have some unfair advantage or more “poker chips” than some of the other remaining teams, but we’ll see how it plays out..

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            >>> i’m just taking the heat at their word.>>>

            is this what you’re looking for p?

      • Petefranklin

        Dirk and????? Yeah Kidd is a superstar… in 1999

  • GrandRapidsRustlers

    True story:

    Yesterday my tickets: $9.50 (anyone with multiple brain cells sits high in the upper deck on the 3rd base side to avoid the sun)

    My can of beer: $10 (I like Honey Brown…don’t judge.)

    My biggest problem with what Perez said is that he directed his anger at the wrong people…attack the system Chris.

    Actually I take it back…the biggest problem is that you made yourself the story after a 2-0 shutout win in which Gomez was great AND it was in front of the second biggest crowd of the year.

    We are winning the Central this year whether people show up or not.

    • BIKI024

      we just passed the 1/4 mark of the season, and tomorrow is our first game against DET all season.. let’s just hope we’re still in 1st place after this week.. BIG week with DET, CWS and KC..

  • kjn

    Anybody want to set an over/under on the total attendance for the Detroit series?

    • wiseoldredbeard

      Considering the day game, I’d say 57,000.

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    welp frowns, the view from here looks like you’re absolutely the ONLY sports blogger willing to rip perez without equivocation (just as perez ripped the fans without equivocation).

    here’s the headlines for http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/ as of 5pm monday:

    * Cleveland Indians P.M. Links: …Chris Perez isn’t worried
    * No Need To Boo Chris Perez, He’s Just Like Us
    * Chris Perez’s comments show he cares about team and city: Tribe Comment of the Day
    * …talk about the Tribe’s season so far and if (my emphasis) Chris Perez was wrong to call out the fans.
    * Chris Perez’ comments offer harsh dose of reality to Cleveland fans
    * Chris Perez is a good closer, good teammate without much perspective, Terry Pluto writes

    may i bring my dog over to crap on your lawn, cleveland.com, and then will you post six entries about whether or not i was ok in doing so and/or whether my dog has underlying issues that must be understood before deciding whether or not i should be upset about the dog crap on your lawn?

    thank god for cleveland frowns. the last sane media member in NEO.

  • Coachie Ballgames

    No one has any qualms about filling up Buckeye games despite their significant financial advantages over some of their conference-mates.

    Of course, much more goes into competitive imbalance than finances, just to pick one example of many, sub .500 teams can make the playoffs in the NFL and the NBA but not in baseball, or the fact that the NFL and NBA have far more teams in smaller markets than baseball, but keep begging for that salary cap, it’s a magical wand for sure. A magical wand that will make the owners far richer, because where will all the excess unspent money from the Yanks go?

    • ChuckKoz

      i don’t really get these points.

      buckeyes games are full because they are the Yankees. indians games are empty because we are the Cincy Bearcats.

      1 team ever has made it under 500 in NFL. NBA it happens with 1 totally irrelevant team whose fans would probably prefer they tanked for a better draft pick. and MLB has had teams that are basically 500 teams (like 84-80) make the playoffs. but maybe your point is the # of playoff spots creates more teams w/ hope. but MLB is expanding to almost be near NFL slots and in the NBA low seeds almost never do anything, so thats not probably playing a factor.

      and while i agree that a salary cap sucks because it just gives the money to the owners, while limiting $ the players can make. however, a system of total revenue sharing (like the NFL deal) combined with a punitive luxury tax (like new NBA deal) would lead to a tremendously more balanced system.

      so really, its not that complicated.

      • Coachie Ballgames

        1. the buckeye point=Frowns has no problem supporting a team that takes advantage of its financial superiority in a sport with severe competitive imbalance but rallies against it in baseball.
        2. MLB is expanding playoffs this year, but until this year, allowed in far fewer teams than the NFL and NBA. So when it’s easier for teams to make it into the playoffs you have more balance.
        Meaning that there are other ways beside making the owners richer to create balance.

  • CleveLandThatILove

    The guy earns roughly $24,000 per out (not my math, heard it today). Who needs a cheering section?

  • ChuckKoz

    The problem is: the system is so twisted that the small market owners are living the dream, too. They dont need to win to make a bunch of money, because there is no minimum spending and the system is designed that the big market teams throw them some money.

    obviously, the players dont want a cap or anything that will limit salaries, so this is all on the owners (this everyone knows). But unlike the NBA, where the smaller market owners said enough was enough, this simply isn’t going to happen anytime soon in MLB, because they make money hand over fist.

    check this out. the “operating income” is profit.
    http://www.forbes.com/mlb-valuations/#p_1_s_a0_

    the shittier teams like the Indians and Royals made a shit ton last year (more than the Yankees!…but that “made” figure doesnt account for franchise value increases).

    or this list for 2009 where the non-playoff Marlins made $46 million (more than their entire payroll!)
    http://baseball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/19568/20100408/baseballs_team_by_team_profits_and_losses

    basically, unless your team gets caught up the Bernie Madoff scam, you are guaranteed to make money. So its hard, if not impossible, to understand why this system will change anytime soon.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Good lord that is depressing. And enlightening. Thanks.

      • ChuckKoz

        yeah, i mean, i am generally in agreement with your ‘dolan can’t do much more’ statement, but as i dug a bit deeper it pisses me off to see they were apparently the most profitable team in baseball last year.

        and it will especially piss me off when he is back to the city asking for the sin tax extension to subsidize him.

        then again, at least he is not the level of asshole as the Cubs teabagging owner…..http://www.fieldofschemes.com/news/archives/2012/05/4954_joe_ricketts_an.html

        • ClevelandFrowns

          Yup. Patience for the organization’s complicity w/r/t the competitive imbalance is wearing thinner and thinner. Perez sure isn’t helping.

          And amen re: Ricketts. Here’s a really good read on him: http://gawker.com/5911364/the-anti+obama-metrosexual-black-abe-lincoln-ad-campaign-wouldve-been-the-funniest-shit-ever

        • kjn

          The “most profitable team” just doesn’t pass the sniff test, imo.

          Obviously, nobody here is losing cash. But I refuse to buy that the Yankees, with their national TV cable network, make less than the titan that is the Cleveland Indians.

          Does any rational person believe that?

          • ChuckKoz

            it is what it is. they earned more in revenue minus expenses than everyone.

            but (as i noted above) that doesnt account for franchise value increases, which is another area of financial gains for the team (and probably much more important to most owners)

            and that is why i hated the NBA owners complaining. franchise values continued to soar, but when they lose some money on their annual revenue/expenses they claimed the poor house (and convinced way too many dopes in the media of that it was true) and ignored that franchise keep selling for higher than ever

          • Petefranklin

            Hornets???

          • ChuckKoz

            they just sold for $338 million. $100 million more than the Bobcats sold for a few years earlier. and at least $60 million MORE than Forbes valued them worth just a few years ago.

  • bupalos

    The one angle to this that I hate the most is people giving Perez a pass based on an “at least he cares” card. Cares about what exactly? Himself?

    When you basically ask via the media to be traded to a team where things would be more “fun” and it would be “easier to get though the season,” you really, really, really don’t care. You don’t even pretend to care. I don’t expect professional box of rocks Chris Perez to understand much of anything about why it’s totally natural that attendance has been off this spring, and why it’s a teensy weensy bit harder for Clevelanders to invest emotion at this stage of the season than Tiger fans. But I do expect 4.5MM to at least give him slight pause about which moronic, counterproductive insults he chooses to throw around.

    Shut up and pitch Chris. And the sooner you’re off having fun somewhere else the better. If anyone wants to go back and plug the average closer numbers into the situations he’s been in this year, I think you’ll find the the most likely resulting scenario is the Indians would have the exact same record, and the second most likely scenario is that they would have a better one.

    • jim

      “When you basically ask via the media to be traded…” he didn’t basically ask for this at all. In fact he specifically stated on television last night on Channel Three that he did not want to be traded. Given how outspoken he is, I have no doubt that if he in fact wanted to be traded to a more “fun” team, he would come right out and say it.

      • bupalos

        Yeah maybe i’m misunderestimating his ratio of stupidity:douchiness. Lets give “outspoken” chris the benfit of the doubt and guess that he’s too dumb to understand what it sounds like when a professional ballplayer waxes poetic about the shortcomings of his teams fans and the relative greatness of others. I’m sure he’s just trying to help the team. great guy.

  • http://www.autismspeaks.org/ PML

    Geez some guys just can’t catch a break. Talk about a tough lot in life.

    Usually idiot athletes spouting off about some slight that inconveniences their otherwise privileged life doesn’t even register, but for some reason this one really chafed my panties. Maybe it was because I was in the middle of removing my oldest guy from a nuclear meltdown at Legoland (as awesome as it sounds) at closing time on Saturday and he didn’t want to leave. On my 3/4 mile trek back to the car I had to put his 85 lb frame down once or eight times and needed to take a break from the stares and punches. It was then I checked my phone and saw that nice little tidbit.

    I’d like to take this opportunity to ask Mr Perez to get some perspective and

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63lYBalGx7M (NSFW)

    I’m glad he has an outlet to complain about his problems in life and used it. How about them Padres!

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      i’ll see your tropic thunder clip and raise it with a learning opportunity. chris perez: take note.

  • mo_by_dick

    After spending much of the weekend bashing him, i just tried to win Perez’s tickets to tonight’s game on twitter.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HV2SIFP7KDJJAXRJERUIDRNNKY Ken

    just pitch and shut up you overpayed crybaby

    • Petefranklin

      AMEN BRO!!

    • Petefranklin

      Add Cleveland disser crtbaby.

  • Bigspunciestyle

    So if I’ve gone to 3 games and my record is 0-3, am I to go back or not? Need an answer bc I really want a Baerga Bobblehead on June 3rd. May favorite all time Indian.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Go for the Baerga bobble. The Curse of Wahoo’s going to win in the end anyway.

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