CBS Projects 1-15 Record for Browns in 2012: “I don’t see any real hope there”

by Cleveland Frowns on July 19, 2012

Posts about Predictions Month proceeds apace here and the folks at CBS are like, “Hey, Mary Kay! Slow your roll!”

Pete Prisco signs his name to a 1-15 projected record for the 2012 Browns, and Jason LaCanfora, Pat Kirwan and Rob Rang team up with an anonymous “Insider” to round out a comprehensive pre-season analysis.

Anonymous Insider says:

“I don’t see any real hope there. They improved some defensively but that’s just not a very good football team. Maybe four wins? They have a long ways to go to compete in this division. From what I hear, Holmgren is committed to all five years and I don’t see them firing him. I guess the question is does he come back to coach?”

The last question, about Holmgren coming back to coach, is so out of touch with reality that it’s harder to take Insider too seriously on the rest. And it’s hard to see anyone but the quarterbacks as the “X-Factor” for this team in 2012 (LaCanfora tabs Greg Little as Cleveland’s Mr. X). But on the whole, the CBS page is a good read, with the money quote coming from Pat Kirwan (corrections inserted):

Cleveland’s 4-3 is underrated in one [no] sense (10th overall [if you measure only by counting yards gained by opponents]) but [and] couldn’t stop the run. Teams sat on early leads which inflated the Browns’ pass defense numbers. Eleven teams didn’t even throw for 200 yards against the Browns but were 8-3 in those games.

So getting back to Mary Kay Cabot’s statement last weekend that there’s “no way the Browns will be picking first” in next April’s draft, and figuring that the truth is likely to be somewhere in between Cabot’s prediction and Prisco’s, the possibility of a tie and lost coin flip, as noted by GrandRapidsRustlers here on Monday, is seeming more likely.

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In other news, here’s a good read about Cavs summer league action by Andrew Schnitkey at WFNY, and salute to New Orleans rapper Christopher Dorsey, better known as B.G., “who gained international acclaim for his gritty songs detailing drug dealing, violence and a no-snitch mantra” and is going to prison for 14 years for gun possession and witness tampering (i.e. not snitching).

  • ChuckKoz

    Really unexcited about Browns – way more excited to see if Cavs can pull off this Bynum trade. Accordingly, I wanted to share this awful bud shaw article. not sure why, since it so bad, but i suppose in the spirit of shining light on a the pain dealer.

    http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf/2012/07/cons_outweigh_the_pros_on_brin.html

    he explains why the cons outweigh the pros in getting bynum. and, amazingly, none of his points are that he may not resign. its just that he’s not mature enough. and when pointing out the “pro” that bynum one 2 titles (one in which he carried the team on a bad knee), the “con” that outweighed this was that he was also seen carrying a playboy model on this shoulders on that bad knee. So while 2 titles is nice, we cannot have our (then) 21 year old athletes having fun with 100 pound playboy models. That just not worth the titles, per Bud.

    __________

    either way, its probably less than 50%, but damn it would be amazing. And I would like to see World Peace, Jason Richardson, or even Turkoglu come over in the deal. Especially if bringing on their questionable contracts means Cavs keep Tristan. This is all too exciting.

    • nj0

      So for Bud Shaw to be happy, Cleveland can only win a title with a roster composed of guys who don’t carry Playboy models around?

      When did it become accepted that subjective morality tests trump a players on-field performance?

      • BigDigg

        To be fair to Bud – the previous Cleveland athletes that hung out with playmates didn’t exactly distinguish themselves. Great memories of Tim Couch and Jeff Garcia here.

        • nj0

          I am not familiar with either of those names.

          • Beeej

            Tim Couch initially gained fame as a bobble head model before dabbling in the special addition bourbon market.

            Jeff Garcia played guitar for the Grateful Dead.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            You’re a special addition, too, Beej.

          • Beeej

            You’re the first person, other than my mother, to tell me this. #smilingeartoear

          • nj0

            Bourbon? No wonder I haven’t heard of him. Vodka – the liquid dinner of winners.

      • ChuckKoz

        apparently.

        or he just made a really lazy effort to sound smart.

    • BIKI024

      Bud Shaw is yet another PD writer who is terrible, absolutely terrible.

      John Ireland, the Lakers’ play-by-play man does a much better job at articulating the pros and cons of Drew: http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2012/07/19/lakers-pbp-voice-john-ireland-says-bynum-trade-is-real-would-be-great-for-cavs/

      PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN CHRIS GRANT!!!!!!

      • Bryan

        Let’s not overlook Livingston. That dude is the worst. He rambles on about some anecdote for 90% of each column, then draws a conclusion that is completely orthogonal to everything he just described, then abruptly stops writing.

        • BIKI024

          agreed, he’s def a grumpy old rambling man. but the dude has had some pretty good beats over the years. covered Dr. J in his hey day, etc so I give him a SLIGHT break over Shaw, but yeah, they are mostly all low grade dog food. even Pluto is slippin as of late.

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            For the love of God, change your Twitter password. You got hacked weeks ago and I keep getting spam messages.

          • GrandRapidsRustlers

            Very true but you do have to admit that there is some awesome weight loss advice there.

          • BIKI024

            oh you poor thing! FWIW, i changed my password 5 times this week. not sure wtf is going on.

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            Thanks. I can only give my bank account info to that Nigerian lawyer so many times before I start to wonder what’s going on.

          • acto

            Biki’s account was hacked??
            No wonder I have not received any of the Viagra I bought from Biki.

          • Petefranklin

            What you got something about grumpy old ramblin men??? Thems fightin words, specially since 64. Can you really blame tony? Suicide was better than than the PD.

    • Jim

      Bud Shaw is one of the hackier hacks at that hacky newspaper. If the Cavs can get Andrew Bynum for Andy and picks, it is a no brainer. This is the entire reason the team has stockpiled assets; so it could use those assets as leverage to obtain another quality piece.

    • Petefranklin

      Really unexcited? I have hope, but I expected 8-8 last year, so short leash on coach and we may have hope.

  • nj0

    random stat: Browns point differential since the reboot is -1235.

    random thought: I miss Jamir Miller.

    • Petefranklin

      If I actually had a bottle of Couch, I guess I’d miss it when it’s gone too.

  • wiseoldredbeard

    This article is garbage. G-A-R-B-A-G-E. It projects that Weeden will throw 1,000 more yards than McCoy did last season, while stating that Richardson will be the centerpiece of the franchise (meaning, they’re predicting he’ll have a ton more all purpose than any other back in 2011), but projects that we will only win one game?

    OK, the Browns may not be that good. They play in a tough division. Blah blah blah. But, come-on: this article is just another example of stating outragous garbage in a headline to get attention and page views. LaCanfora himself tweeted yesterday “Just to be clear on my Browns preview – I think they win 4-6 games. The 1-15 prediction is from my man @PriscoCBS: Pete, look out!”

    Garbage. Anyone who wants to take the under on 1 win, let me know. I’d be happy to take that bet.

    • nj0

      4-6 wins is a pretty cowardly prediction. Two choice: one number or none at all.

      • wiseoldredbeard

        Hedging the prediction of your article on twitter is about the lamest thing ever.

      • Petefranklin

        Well since it is 25% of the schedule that is lame. I say 5 and hope for 7.

    • Petefranklin

      ODDS????

  • BIKI024

    Clownies OVER 4.5 WINS is the LOCK OF THE CENTURY!!

    • wiseoldredbeard

      Am I the only person that dislikes the term “clowns” (or derivatives)? I have a visceral reaction that is hard to explain…

      • CleveLandThatILove
      • BIKI024

        it’s called a mini reverse douche. a full RD would be to boldly predict the under, but of course hoping for the over. but i’m in the books for the over, so i need to undercut the Brownies somehow by calling them Clownies.

      • Petefranklin

        Until they prove that they are not the Clowns, they are pretty much the Clowns. Sincerely Mr. Acid Breath

    • NeedsFoodBadly

      Did you bet the over/under on total wins last year? How did you do on that?

      • BIKI024

        i went 2-1 on o/u last year.. won on the tribe and cavs, lost on the clownies.

        • wiseoldredbeard

          Dislike.

        • acto

          Yes Biki, you did hit it on the Cav’s, I remember that, I was going to get further into the start of my career as a degenerate gambler on that one, but your reasons were perhaps a bit wanting I my eyes. I thought you were just filled with homer love.
          I really want to bet the under on “our beloved Browns”, but even though I am not a TR fan I do like Weedman and a couple of guys on the o-

  • bupalos

    There are simply too many unknowns with the Browns right now to bother with predictions at all. The coaching staff and system is essentially new (please no 3rd 1st year comments, they really haven’t had a training camp) the quarterback and running back is new and a rookie, the o line is reconstituted, the d-line and receiving core is significantly altered. Any of that could succeed, continue to suck, or totally blow up.

    Here’s what I would count on overall:
    the run game will be pretty effective on both sides of the ball
    stopping the run a bit will expose just how horrible our LB coverage is and how thin the defensive backfield is. I think we have 3 guys that belong in the NFL back there.

    I think that total mix will result in staying in a lot of games ala ’09 but not really having the depth to win many. But a 5-11 with this group of young talent this year would IMO be a lot more encouraging than ’09 where you were already having to think about maintenance and replacement of the core effective positions. You add LB and DB off that year and have a bunch of guys maturing into prime and I think you’re set to contend for the division in ’13. Totally dependent on Weeden being better than I think he is, though. Bag on the admin all you want, contingent on a couple of these picks, the team finally looks like it’s in position to grow rapidly.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      “[T]he team finally looks like it’s in position to grow rapidly.”

      This is just stupid. In 2010 they beat and consistently competed with the league’s best teams without even having any players. Not only had the team already grown rapidly, it was in a position to continue to do so, given that they’d inevitably have added players, as they have.

      Also, what makes you think they’ll be able to stop the run this year?

      • BIKI024

        FROSTEEEEEEEEEEEE

      • bupalos

        >>>Also, what makes you think they’ll be able to stop the run this year?>>>

        I think another year on their line picks for one (so this may not apply for the first half with “I stop the run, man” man out. Then you got the snowman added in, and DQ and Gocong are solid LB’s against the run. And no corner in the nfl gives better run support than Haden. I think they’re going to be fairly stout by the second half.

        I’m not going to litigate against your golden age view of 2010– as you know I think a lot of the admittedly impressive early performance especially on D was due to a reliance on system veterans that were low ceiling and aging out. No reason why they couldn’t have been effectively replaced and upgraded from the draft if they were working well together, I’ll accept that (despite the apparent lack of decision making cohesion). But even so, I don’t especially feel like we’d be further along right now without the switch. We endured more pain in the interim, but in the NFL you are rewarded for your pain, and I like where they stand developmentally right now.

        • ClevelandFrowns

          “[I]n the NFL you are rewarded for your pain …”

          I keep staring and staring and staring at this.

          • CleveLandThatILove

            Someone should really check on him.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            You’re the one with the two-way leash. Why don’t you give that sucker a good yank?

          • bupalos

            Way too late for that.

          • bupalos

            Staring’s not polite. Here’s the reward.

          • Petefranklin

            At the quote or Georgia Frontiere?

          • dubbythe1

            i know right!!!!! DUBBYA TEE EFFF… when do we reap said reward for the pain we’ve endured?

        • Petefranklin

          d.q.??? lol!!!

      • bossman09

        Frowns, you make a big assumption about “they’d inevitably added players”. That’s a HUGE assumption based on the disfunction of the front office both before and after Holmgren came in 2010. I think that’s a huge reason why Mangini is gone.

  • GrandRapidsRustlers

    I am sticking with 2-14 this year with one big asterisk.

    They will be much better than last year and much easier to watch. The offense will be much improved (not difficult) and the defense will be exposed now that the other teams have to actually try.

    They will lose a lot of games 34-27. Shurmur will make multiple decisions late in games that will have Browns fans wishing Bob Lamonte represented them at work.

    • ChuckKoz

      spinning the positives out of a 2-14 record is sort of insane. if they are 2-14 they will be a dog shit team.

      • ClevelandFrowns

        Are you saying Cleveland sports fans are sort of insane, Chuck?

        • ChuckKoz

          i don’t think so, unless there is some consensus amongst us that anything positive could be observed from a 2-14 team (and the future draft pick does not count)

          • Petefranklin

            Why not? 2 wins last year would have won thew Lotto.

      • GrandRapidsRustlers

        Agree 100%. Of course Cleveland sports fans are insane and yes they are a dog shit team. A young dog shit team but still dog shit.

        /runs off to make a t-shirt of that

  • wiseoldredbeard

    Good lord the Indians’ offense is turrrrrrr(repeat infinity)able.

    • BIKI024

      fosho, but goin up against a stud like David Price doesn’t help either..

      • wiseoldredbeard

        Is there any way a trade happens this year? All signs seem to be pointing to one of two options: 1) NFW; or 2) Indians overreach on a marginal bat with injury problems and a big contract for a good prospect.

        • Jim

          I lean towards the former and not because they don’t try. It’s because the Indians farm system is bare. Outside of Lindor, they have literally no one else highly thought of. A package of Cord Phelps, Matt LaPorta, et., al. is not going to have a significant return on investment.

          This, coupled with the fact that a second wild card means significantly more team “believe” they have legitimate post season aspirations, is going to drive up the cost of getting even marginal help.

    • nj0

      1-0, two on, no outs.

      In the box: Duncan
      On deck: Marson
      In the hole: Cunningham

      Are you serious? Really? Really Mister Shapiro?

      • nj0

        Fact that makes me want to start punching myself in the face and never stop: we traded a player, a pretty good 23-year-old relief pitcher, for Cunningham.

        • ClevelandFrowns

          You need a twitter account, friend.

        • mo_by_dick

          In fairness to Cunningham, he wasn’t expecting to start and was dabbling in bath salts today.

          • wiseoldredbeard

            Is it possible to dabble? I thought it went straight from sober to face eater… Honestly, who isn’t at least a little curious…

          • ClevelandFrowns

            … in fairness to bath salts.

      • Jim

        Makes one yearn for the days of the Killer B’s: Broussard, Blake, and Boone.

        • ClevelandFrowns

          LOL

        • wiseoldredbeard

          True story — I own a Benny B t-shirt jersey that I bought at a day game after an all-nighter (booze not books) convinced that he was going to be on the Indians forever. This was days after the home-run-to-house-of-blues dash fiasco. When I wear said jersey shirt to the gym (about the only place it can be taken) I get at least five “I cannot believe that guy bought a Benny B t-shirt” looks.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            PICS OR IT DIDN’T HAPPEN.

          • wiseoldredbeard

            Ha. I will send a photo, but it must be featured in an up-and-coming Frowns article detailing the misery of our offense. This article can and should compare the offense of the Killer B’s to members of our current club. I haven’t looked yet, but my guess is that the disparity would be shocking…

          • ClevelandFrowns

            DEAL.

  • http://www.autismspeaks.org/ PML

    I know BG’s supposedly had a lot of songs released after Bling Bling but I can’t name one of them for the life of me.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      That’s because you’re not too hood for Hollywood.

      • http://www.autismspeaks.org/ PML

        When I get my Asian crime syndicate up and running I’m going to invite him and Cam’ron to be my neighbors.

        • ClevelandFrowns

          Good move. B.G.’s gonna be especially dangerous once he gets out, plus, the fountain outside Cam’s house only pumps Mountain Dew.

          • http://www.autismspeaks.org/ PML

            And I like pink.

  • http://twitter.com/byRiverBurns River Burns

    I’m going on record with a 4-12 prediction, and that indicates a slight improvement over the 3-13 I predicted for them a year ago (because they weren’t actually as good as their 4-12 record), but with a surprise win.

    Actually, all three of them will probably come as a surprise to most.

  • rodofdisaster

    Oh God, how I wish I could lay down good money against MKC. How anyone can look at this team and say that they definitely won’t have the first pick is not only drinking the Kool-Aid, she must be bonging it from the roof of the Holmgren-Shurmur frat house. Might the Browns finish with a record that doesn’t merit the first pick? Sure. Is it impossible that they are on the clock immediately after the Super Bowl? Absolutely not.

    The offensive line could be much improved with DeCas–er—Schwarz. Weeden could start throwing laser beams with NASA-like precision all over the field and Little and MoMass may develop velcro hands. TRich could take the opponents’ whole 45-man roster and carry it on his back as he dives into the end zone. The true unknowns are on offense here.

    The defense may have improved depth but I don’t see someone who’s immediately going to make the unit better than it was last year. Yes, Frostee Rucker has a cool sounding name and yes, he’s better than Jayme Mitchell but a lot of guys are better than Jayme Mitchell. I would love to see the linebacking corps improve but outside of a surprise from James-Michael Johnson, I don’t see any real starter potential there.

    The fact is the Browns still don’t cause fits for the Steelers and Ravens and I would venture to say that Cincy’s improvement curve is steeper than that of Cleveland.

    The Browns have a tough schedule this year and they figure to have as many injuries as everyone else. I can’t believe that 1-15 would surprise people. Let’s not forget that the coaching staff wasn’t exactly stellar last year although many people seem comfortable blaming the players. After all, they’re all essentially rookies.

    • reggiebuckeye

      Yep. Can I take the under on the 1-15? Nothing I have seen shows me that the crappy 4 win team from last year has done anything to improve to take on better competition this season. They squeaked by horrible teams last year. This is so painful to prep for.

      How do you prepare for this as a fan?

      • rodofdisaster

        Very hard to do. You can’t really “prep” for this like you would a colonoscopy although that at least has an endpoint.

        I would argue that it’s easier to prepare for this when you realize that no one really knows what’s going to happen. Yes, the Browns look awful on paper relative to the rest of the league but you never know. We don’t know how well many of these new pieces will play. I would argue that if two of the new guys on offense can really play high level NFL football you could see real improvement in the offense which, in turn, would take some pressure off of the defense.

        Right now it’s hard to see anything better than 4-12 because we know that last year’s wins were against bad teams and also because they haven’t shown us anything to suggest they’re capable of playing consistently in the NFL. Remember that two 5-11′s got the last guy fired. It will be interesting to see what it happens to Shurmur because I certainly don’t see 5-11 this year.

        • bupalos

          >>>I would argue that it’s easier to prepare for this when you realize that no one really knows what’s going to happen.>>>

          I know I’m a captain smiley, but while I’m not excited about the season in a “this could be the year” way, there is no way it won’t be interesting with the moves they’ve made. You can’t not want to see if Weeden is somehow it. You can’t not want to see if TR is all that. You can’t not want to see what looks to me like a potential powerhouse of a screen game. The Browns will be more interesting than they have in a long time.

          If I had to pick the number of wins I think is most likely, I’d go 4 too. But I think they have a puncher’s chance at double or half. If Weeden can play, TR is as advertised, and the lines are both improved, 6-8 wins really isn’t out there at all. And if those things come together, we’re finally back in it in a way we haven’t been in around 2 decades.

          • rodofdisaster

            All fair points. I think that if you can’t be positive about the possibilities for your team when the records are 0-0 then you really shouldn’t be following football.

            The realist in me has a hard time seeing more than 4 wins. I think you build to beat your division rivals first and it doesn’t seem like the Browns have closed ground in that regard. That said, they don’t need to beat any of them to win a half dozen games. If they win 8 games because the new pieces fall into place then I won’t say I am shocked. The unknowns are then known.

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    let’s have some perspective people.

    the offense should be enormously improved:
    1. o-line will NOT trot out a LG, RG, RT who started 3 NFL games the year before. (lauvao started three games in 2010, pinkston was rookie 5th round pick jammed into lineup when steinbach injured/yates retired; pashos didn’t play at all the year before).
    2. qb will surely have stronger arm and better accuracy. (i thought colt was screwed by the o-line he had to play behind, the remedial game planning, and lack of an RB… but yet he did look empirically bad at times.)
    3. trent richardson > Ogbonnaya, Chris. brandon jackson was supposed to be worth some significant cash, he’ll be back. hell maybe hardesty will even play. last year’s running backs were historically awful.
    4. i’ll go out on a limb and say smelley will be our h-back and a hell of a lot more useful than marecic.

    the on-field talent is surely better and to my thinking it’s log scale improvement.

    i remain wholly skeptical of pat shurmur as a play-caller but at least he has an OC now. i have no opinion on childress but even a daboll or chud would have been a welcome help last year. (no slam on daboll or chud intended.)

    defense? meh. right? but…
    1. ward will be back; who knows maybe he’ll get back to the hitting he was showing before the shipley hit.
    2. marcus benard is back; who knows maybe he’ll get back to the 8 sacks in limited play that he showed in 2010. one would think that jabal sheard’s presence on the other edge will free up benard more than kenyon coleman did in 2010.
    3. linebacker? let’s hope gocong doesn’t have to play through a ‘neck stringer’ (the next nfl injury euphemism that needs tending to) for half the year. not implausible to think j-m johnson will contribute more than kaluka maiva.

    i’m not feeling what you’re feeling, guys. there were a shit-pot load of holes to fill and my accounting above says they did good work. on paper.

    my concerns are 100% on shurmur. but dwhalen came away impressed with him over a beer last week, so even that’s something to latch on to.

    • reggiebuckeye

      Ahhh, hope springs eternal. We still come back to Pat and Brad holding the offensive reigns. Seems marginally offensive in my book based on their play calling when they were allowed to call plays. The only thing that saved Brad was Brett Favre free-lancing for two years.

      So, I will continue my usual Cleveland Browns watching routine of having plenty of alcohol to numb the pain until I go to England. At that point, I won’t have to watch. I can then turn my pain numbing to Arsenal.

      • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

        i’m really trying with shurmur.

        but the truth is… he drinks amstel light.

        • reggiebuckeye

          Hey, no excuses.

          You have to like the man no matter what….. He is a Bob LeMonte client. What isn’t to like? Amstel Light is an excellent and underrated beer. You just don’t see the value in it because you don’t know any better.

    • rodofdisaster

      Agreed on all counts as to the offense. My not-so-secret player to watch is Benjamin in hopes that his speed can help open things up just enough to make this offense competitive.

      The defense is not any better as far as I can tell. I think the one place we may be surprised is if JMJ can push D’Qwell Jackson. Y’all are probably rubbing your eyes and staring at that last statement but I am wondering if this youngster might be a steal and if DQ can be improved upon. In his highlights (when he has play recognition) he is extremely fast to the ball. He’s rarely dominated by blockers. Perhaps he won’t be 8 yards downfield on so many of his tackles.

      The defensive team speed last year (especially at LB) was dreadful. I’ve said before that the combination of Fujita and Gocong leaves something to be desired. I’d favor replacing the latter but truth be told, Fujita is somewhat plodding and getting older.

      I’ve liked TJ Ward from the get-go but we must hope that this isn’t his ceiling. Could it be that the league crackdown on big hits has altered his game for the worse?

  • dubbythe1

    I say 6 wins.

  • GrandRapidsRustlers

    MKC just said at least 8 wins.

    It’s free bath salts week at the Plain Dealer.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Whoa whoa whoa where.

    • CleveLandThatILove

      I’d like some of whatever she’s having this morning.

  • p_forever

    hi hi hi something good about the brownies – or at least whomever in the organization operates the facilities – it’s super good that browns stadium was part of the run downtown last weekend that went from progressive field (they ran the bases), to browns stadium (they ran the perimeter of the field), to the Q (they went through the players tunnel and onto the court). this is exactly the sort of repurposing of sports facitilities that makes them part of the fabric of the community – a place for us to enjoy year-round, and to play in in lots of ways – and strengthening community bonds is always a good thing.

    (on the community note: good to be back. i missed being here.)

  • Brian Sipe

    Lerner knows if he cans Holmgren all Holmgren’s buddies in the media as well as NFL frat will crush us… Lerner and we fans are stuck on the Bob Lamonte bus for 3 more long years

    • reggiebuckeye

      Oh, you mean they will crush us more than they have for the last decade he’s been in charge?

      Interesting.

  • Alanpeter956

    Pete Prisco, your entitled to your opinion, but it is just that your opinion. Even Ray Charles can see the Browns will be better in 2012 than 2011. With the addition of Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden, Mitchel Schwartz, Travis Benjamen,Ryan Miller, Brad Smelley, & Josh Gordon (Supplemental Draft), that’s not counting our defensive players; this will not be a 1 and 15 season. They finished with four wins last year, I would have to give them a 6 to 8 win season as the rookies develop. Yet when I hear your prediction of one win on the heals of a 4 win season, I am convinced you national guys have a bias against the Browns, in spite of who they have drafted. In spite of your prediction, the game still has to be played on the field, I expect your prediction should be wrong.

  • dukem1

    Been a Browns fan my whole life…I was alive when they joined the NFL and showed everyone else what a dominate squad looked like…I saw Jim Brown play, and can remember sitting through a preseason double header at the old stadium…they’re my team, just can’t help myself.
    I don’t bet on the games, so I have no real interest in all the available “football sabermetrics” so beloved by so many posters here…i just know that having Sunday dinner after a win turns the simplest fare into a feast..and after a loss a feast becomes just a meal…as I said, I just can’t help myself.
    That being said, and this being 20 July anno domini 2012, I have looked at our schedule for the coming campaign and I really don’t see us losing a game…
    Other than that lousy law of averages, there is no reason for me not expect the Browns to finish the regular season 16-0. They’re the Browns, dammit!!
    Heck…football-wise, why even bother getting out of bed if you think otherwise.

  • ScottDawg87

    ScottDawg1960, It is my opinion you three are complete idiots. Take in the fact the Browns had more than a decent defensive and won four games. Now that they have a offense that actually get down the field, you project an even worse record. lol… As they say, the proof is in the pudding… We will see on Sunday.

  • ScottDawg1960

    Follow me on Twitter, ScottDawg1960. The projected record for 2012-13: 8-8, possible playoffs….

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