NOT SO FAST, JIMMY

by Cleveland Frowns on August 3, 2012

Randy Lerner’s sale of the Browns to Jimmy Haslam has reportedly been finalized, with the billionaire gas station scion from Tennessee set to pay $700 million for 70% of the franchise now, then some $300 million for the rest in four years. But that was before anyone knew that we had these: 

Read ‘em and weep, Jim. The Cleveland Browns are ours.*

Of course we’re real busy now dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s on all this so we won’t get to announcements re: staff until next week. Suffice to say for now that it’s the end of an era.

*(The complete set of eight includes Tim Couch and Chris Spielman but we shouldn’t need to come up off of those to get this deal done.) 

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In other news, Tony Grossi’s been thinking the hell out of some TD’s and has it all figured out. Browns rookies Brandon Weeden and Josh Gordon will follow in the footsteps of precisely zero quarterback/receiver combos in modern NFL history by dominating the league with the fade route.

“Weeden. Gordon. Touchdown,” Grossi says.I see this fade pass being unstoppable some day.”

Grossi goes on to explain that the Weeden to Gordon fade will be unstoppable in the NFL because Weeden and his teammate at Oklahoma State, 2012 fifth overall pick Justin Blackmon, had success with it against Big Twelve defenses in college, and adds: “Three points instead of seven invariably means another loss is in the offing.”

Which technically means that no team that’s ever kicked a field goal in a football game has won that game. But we digress, because if you ever wonder if Grossi or his sources sometimes just make things up, note that he also reports that the Browns, who, by every published opinion made at least a bold (if not desperate) move in using a supplemental second round pick on the Baylor wideout, actually “evaluated Gordon as a better NFL receiver prospect than Blackmon.”

No telling where the Browns confirmed preference for another receiver, Kendall Wright, over Weeden with the 22nd overall pick last April fits in here, but get Gordon’s and Weeden’s measurements to Canton right away.

And finally, here’s Steve Doerschuk at the Canton Repository on how there really isn’t a competition between Weeden and Colt McCoy for the starting quarterback position. The rest is your weekend open thread. Use it lovingly and wisely as always and we’ll be back with more on the Browns sale and who knows what else next week.

  • BIKI024

    We haven’t had a QB that has consistently been able to throw a fade route in years. DA had a few of them that connected, but other than that we haven’t had much luck or talent in that department. With Little and Gordon being 6’3 bookends, with a rocket of an arm that Weeden has, it certainly increases our chances, which can’t be all that bad.

    • rodofdisaster

      Biki-

      I agree with this. I think that comparing Weeden to DA is a bit unfair to Weeden because he is more accurate than DA. They both have a ton of zip.

      The 6’3″ bookends really is an intriguing thought. If you think about it, most guys that size are playing the X position and usually command double coverage. What if you have two guys that big? Then they can’t double both of them without really opening up the middle of the field. On NFL Radio yesterday, Josh Gordon said they’re playing him almost exclusively at X. I think that’s good. I hope for his sake that he’s got his head on straight because that could prove to be a steal if he can fly straight. Pour in some Travis Benjamin speed and things may start to really click on offense.

      As for the fade, you can’t make your living on the fade. It’s still a low percentage throw. The fade-stop is also a tricky throw but it’s much harder to defend. The problem with throwing a lot of fades is that the defense can adjust to cover it. Against the Cowboys last year, the Jets went to hi-lo brackets and picked off Romo trying to throw the fade. It’s a nice pass for tall receivers to go up and get but I don’t know if it’s realistic to expect it to be your “bread and butter” play when you need yards or points.

      • BIKI024

        as frustrating as his play was, i think Braylon was the only WR we had since god knows how long that got double teamed. Weeden should have a field day with guys in single coverage, those WCO slants should hopefully be there all day..

  • Vari

    What’s the over/ under on the first Browns points of the 2012 season coming off the foot of one Mr. Phil Dawson?

    • maxfnmloans

      the line on that is -650

      • ClevelandFrowns

        It’s up to -3750.

        • Petefranklin

          I’ll take some of that plus money if I get non offensive touchdowns too(Cribbs)

    • BIKI024

      can’t wait!

  • rulesboy

    Browns rookies Brandon Weeden and Josh Gordon will follow in the footsteps of precisely zero quarterback/receiver combos in modern NFL history by dominating the league with the fade route.

    When you’re on your game, you’re on your game.

  • clay

    Grossi blocked me on Twitter. Have a feeling I won’t be missing much.

    • http://twitter.com/musicman06 Chris Music

      And he’s made his tweets private! He might be only media member in the entire country who makes his/her tweets private. What a clown.

      • BIKI024

        they don’t seem private on my end

      • clay

        That means he blocked you.

        • http://twitter.com/musicman06 Chris Music

          Ahhh, I thought that I was logged out of the website when I tried to pull up his page.

    • http://www.redright88.com/ TitusPullo94

      It’s rather funny that someone who lost their job in part for being a twit on Twitter is now lecturing people about being improper with their Tweets to him and blocking people. Grossi is truly one of a kind.

      • BIKI024

        well, i don’t know what sort of kool-aid the Browns are giving out to all the reporters, but it seems like everyone is feeling pretty good about the vibe in Berea, including Grossi who appears to be ear-to-ear on all his radio spots..

        • dubbythe1

          you are probably reading too much into it, but Grossi is probably just an immature asshat who is enjoying watching the guy who got him fired, get fired. Poor Tony doesnt seem to understand that the Walrus is like honey badger, just dont care, and is walking to Sea 50mil in pocket.

          • BIKI024

            wait, i thought most of you guys thought Grossi was up Holmy’s hiney?

          • Petefranklin

            Not at all, he wouldn’t have badmouthed the Julio Jones trade for 2 years if he was. Funny thing is that any knowledgible fan could see that it was a steal for the Browns yet Grossi bitched about it constantly.

        • http://www.redright88.com/ TitusPullo94

          That’s because one of his white whales (Randy Lerner) is gone and he is oh so sure the other one (Mike Holmgren) will soon follow.

          Wonder if he went up to the new owner before the press conference and laid down the law on how things are done in Cleveland?

          • BIKI024

            wow, you guys really give Grossi way too much credit.. i think he’s doing a much better job over at ESPNCleveland where it doesn’t seem like he’s got an editor changing up his headlines or copy to stir things up.

          • rodofdisaster

            Disagree.

            If you think ESPN doesn’t spin the message, you’re mistaken. His name is on it so he has to take credit. He can’t hang it on an editor.

          • bupalos

            By definition you can’t have 2 white whales. Moby, chime in here.

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            exquisitely douche-tastic, bup. well done.

          • mo_by_dick

            TRUTH

  • GrandRapidsRustlers

    NOT THE COREY FULLER COIN!

    Negotiating 101 – Hold that back.

  • http://twitter.com/musicman06 Chris Music

    YES!!! JOHN JURKOVIC!! The man who geared up to take the field by having a pregame screw driver!

  • Beeej

    You didn’t have to throw in Couch or Speilman coins? How many Tim Couch bobble-heads did they want?

    • Petefranklin

      Give em all the damn bobbleheads they want, just hold on to the Makers Mark lord knows in Cleveland we need a DRINK!

  • dubbythe1

    I have to say I came back impressed with how Colt is handling himself and portraying himself, and the improvement he has shown. If nothing else, he has earned my respect, and for the team possibly created a little better trade bait or a comfortability at backup.

    Give Wallace the boot, and on the thought of cuts/trade/waiver, what are we going to do with 4(5?) seemingly ‘improved’ nfl caliber runningbacks? I really see room for 3, maybe 4 if we get rid of Marecic.

    Lastly, I wanted to hit up a Browns home game this year, but not vs the Bills. Luckily that game sold out, but most of the others have as well. Now my question for you Cleveland natives are this. Is the ability to aquire tickets t a sold out game readily available through ‘other channels’? Would said tickets be seated together? And when and where does the Frowns Tailgate begin?!?!?

    • GrandRapidsRustlers

      Tickets are not a problem at all.

      Getting them online is not an issue or waiting until 10 minutes before kickoff outside stadium.

    • BIKI024

      the games aren’t sold out, just single game ticket purchases. there are still plenty of packages, if you can make it down to 3+ games, etc.

      otherwise, like GRR says, you will EASILY be able to buy through the various online ticket brokers (stubhub, amazingtickets, etc) not to mention the scalpers, craigslist, etc.

    • Beeej

      If you go to a game in late November or December the scalpers will pay you to take the tickets. You might get enough for an $8 beer.

      On a related note, last year I was downtown. By accident, I left a pair of Browns tickets on the dashboard of my car when I parked. When I came back, someone had smashed the window and added two more tickets. DRINK!!!

      • actovegin1armstrong

        Beeej,
        I do not unnderstand what is happening to our deteriorating society, it was horrible for them to smash your window.
        Crime is a big issue here too. Last week I had a pick pocket take my wallet. However things may be looking up, my particular thief returned my wallet very promptly. He also felt the warm touch of kindness and he gave me ten bucks.
        Now I have ELEVEN dollars!

    • Beeej

      I’d hate to be accused of being an optimist, but a couple of years as a straight backup, and keeping him away from Jerome Harrison could be good for Colt’s development. And extra silicon chips.

      • Beeej

        I bet Omar Vizquel Salsa would go great with some Colt McCoy Sili-corn Chips.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Pick a game and we’ll make it the Frowns tailgate. If it’s after week 4 or so, tickets really won’t be a problem, but they shouldn’t be either way.

      • actovegin1armstrong

        Would anyone be willing to pick up a homeless hitchhiker on their way to the Frown’s tailgate?
        Or, would anyone like to create a ruckus when the Browns play in Texas?

  • BIKI024

    JIMMAAAAY!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptbdctRiVak

    that was one helluva introductory press conference, love the guy.

    it seemed like he referred to “Mike” at least 42 times, seems a bit disingenuous if he’s going to turn around and whack the guys as soon as the deal is official.

    • CleveLandThatILove

      I know it’s early, but I have a really, really good feeling about this.

      Welcome JH3.

    • Petefranklin

      I saw a few clips on the four lettered station and I thought of the late George Carlin when he was referring to Bill Clinton and Americans liking a great big heaping bowl of bullshit. He actually said he would accept total responsibility? Somethings going on here, if it seems to good to be true for Browns fans, it’s probably a big pot of bullshit.Is this guy planning on running for governer? Clinton was undoubtedly the best president of the last 40 years so we’ve that going for Browns nation.

      • bupalos

        Yes, this guy is planning on running for governor or at least getting a leg up on buying the next one..

        I wish I could still buy this horseshit. Did he address whether he will still be running the fracking truckstops that are worth 20x his browns stake?

        • BIKI024

          don’t be hatin

        • BIKI024

          bup, you know toronto is a beautiful city, if you want to renounce your american citizenship, make a run for the border mate

          • bupalos

            Already lived there for 2 years. It is a great place but I wouldn’t leave NEO for anything less than a pawgua franchise!

        • CleveLandThatILove

          Did you watch the whole presser? It’s on the Browns website. Can you at least TRY to be optimistic here as the Browns fan you are?

          I know there are ants at every picnic but it might worth it for a nice day and a full belly.

          • bupalos

            hey if you can’t tell, there is no one who hates being cassandra more than I do. And I’m not saying this will be bad for the browns unless they shake the snowglobe again which I doubt. The reason this sucks for me is because it contaminates something I love with something I can’t abide. For all the global warming denying prosperity gospel flat tax types, this is a win-win.

            I deserve this. I joined my friends in openly scorning our city-planning friend who insisted two years before the browns left that they were going to. Owning football teams has about as much to do with football as owning gas stations. This guy bought the team because he desperately wants to return winning football to NEO. Right.

          • CleveLandThatILove

            He’s a businessman first, he says as much. It’s an investment, a huge one, for his family. Most of us have invested nothing more than our Sunday afternoons for this team.

            I do appreciate the awareness you have brought me regarding fracking and so forth, i am not dismissing that. But in 2012 we all do have to concede certain things that we hold dear in the name of ‘progress.’ Lots of things that would seem to be important to future generations are being fractured. Like the family, for instance. Not hip, not cool, but something that is every bit as endangered as our lands.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            Ugh.

          • bupalos

            >>>He’s a businessman first, he says as much. It’s an investment, a huge one, for his family.>>>

            It’s actually not all that huge an investment for his imperial family and associates, not at all. Numbers are numbers, this isn’t much of what they’ve got, and not much of it can really be thought of as significantly at risk. It’s just another in this line of recent FlyingJ purchases:

            http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/jul/20/pilot-flying-j-acquire-conn-firm/

            Don’t get me wrong, he seems likeable enough, but I think that’s kind of the idea. He bought a license to print money, influence regional politic$, and entertain his master-of-the-universe friends. Be as fired up as you want about this new global warming/flat-tax/prosperity-gospel aspect of the Browns. I’ll do my best to forget about it. I don’t think it will have any bad consequences on what happens on the football field, and do believe this guy wants to and needs to win for this to pay off for Flying J like it should. So on Mondays and some Wednesdays between fracking conferences he’ll do his best with transferring those fabulous Flying J values to the Browns and the rest of NEO; including ODNR, the Statehouse, various County Commissioners… Because as you say he’s first and foremost a businessman and that’s where the good business lies here. And I’m sure he’ll have fun with it too.

  • BigDigg

    Not to put everyone through a cold shower to deflate the collective local media Weeden/Gordon boner, but when was the last time a rookie WR AND a rookie QB matched up and produced anything resembling a honest to goodness NFL caliber offense? Sure – Cincy last year could qualify but that was an exception. And besides those guys got to play us twice. Besides that though?

    I keep telling myself this every time I read another glowing article on the apparent diamond in the rough find on Gordon, or the “we’re focusing on 5 step drops” for a rookie QB with a rep for happy feet.

    • BIKI024

      i think the main reason too many combos don’t come to mind is that it’s rare that teams have 4 picks in the 1st 2 rounds (including Gordon), let alone all 4 of them devoted to the offense.

    • rodofdisaster

      The best combo that’s close to that description might be Troy Aikman (drafted 1989) to Michael Irvin (1988).

      • BIKI024

        Steve Wiesnewski, Moose, Stepnoski, and Aikman in that 89 draft was pretty legendary, all eventual pro bowlers.. and Tony Tolbert on defense as well.. all eventual pro bowlers in that 89 draft.. along with Irvin in 88 was Ken Norton Jr.. they definitely built that team via draft.. and then of course Trent Richardson’s high school alumni in 90..

      • BigDigg

        Sorry – was thinking for this year – likelihood of a rookie QB and WR providing a noticeable improvement in our passing offense. Obviously lots of variables in play for future years so tough to speculate on the long-term.

        The Dallas 88-90 drafts were unreal. Obviously aided by the Herschel Walker trade, but they still hit on most of the picks.

  • ChuckKoz

    Haslam will be selling the stadium naming rights. Such BS that the city of Cleveland owns the stadium but the new profits will go to the team that already gets to play for free.

    • reggiebuckeye

      Welcome to Flying J Stadium on the lakefront.

      • wiseoldredbeard

        Yes, the city should get a cut, but if they were dumb enough to make a deal that the team gets the naming rights you can’t blame Haslam. Win, and I don’ t care if you name it gummy bear stadium.

        His presser was great. Favorite part was that he stood the whole time — looking super pumped up and ready to get to business.

        • ClevelandFrowns

          He talked about “core beliefs – what we call our Pilot Flying J values.” Would have liked to have heard what they are.

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            maybe you can make out the poster he’s in front of.

            i’m gonna LAUGH if the browns get a national boycott… while Chief Wahoo lives on without a peep of protest.

          • Kamov

            “We shall always strive to have no poop in the urinals.”

          • Petefranklin

            All Browns games to be broadcast on CB radio from truckstops across America.

          • bee cee

            but if there *is* poop in the urinals, there will be no forks in the poop.

          • ChuckKoz

            presumably being at the cutting edge of new dorito flavors must be at or near the top.

          • bupalos

            Sell shitloads of gas and try to get you to buy other shit that is really bad for you that you don’t need and don’t want but buy anyway. Also iphone docks at the seats.

          • BIKI024

            at least the drink trays appear to be made of recycled cardboard.. DERP

      • bupalos

        Betcha it goes to chesapeake energy

        • ClevelandFrowns

          #OKCLE!

    • BIKI024

      the city of cleveland owns the stadium, so no stadium rights are allowed… however, they can and do have sponsors for each gate, which is fair game..

  • Dinger63

    “Tony Grossi’s been thinking the hell out of some TD’s and has it all figured out.”

    After reading this giddy bit of reportage from the erstwhile PD reporter formerly known as Tony G, I realized that the PD’s sport page and in particular Browns’ reporting have improved dramatically. This is high school analysis and sideline cheering combined into a tasteless chicken quesadilla pinwheel that delivers nada. He’s been on the Browns’ beat for what 30 years? The guy has perfected the Peter Principle by winding up as a “beat” writer for ESPN Cleveland. ESPN Cleveland? Please no more Grossi references. Frownie’s fixation on this guy is what keeps Grossi minimally relevant.

    • bupalos

      Bingo. That dead horse wouldn’t move an inch of not for the impetus supplied by the incessant beating

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Improved dramatically? What am I missing? Is it all the Weeden gunslinger talk? Also, what the hell is with all this “only two of the past 10 first-round Browns picks are on the team” talk? Doesn’t one only have to be a half-way sentient Browns fan (and not, say, someone who covers the team for a living) to count the correct number here? What am I missing?

      http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/08/decision_on_mike_holmgrens_fut.html

      • BIKI024

        after Mangini’s purging, we only had Joe Thomas as the only 1st round draft pick that was on the roster from the previous 10 years..

        • ClevelandFrowns

          She wrote the sentence unambiguously in the present tense.

      • Dinger63

        “Improved dramatically” is a tongue-in-cheek expression that I used to illustrate that a milquetoast Sports department such as the PD’s “improves” dramatically with the subtraction of Tony Grossi from the staff

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    homgrum in the tommy bahama while haslam is in a hickey is obvious “BUY ME OUT” billboard to date.

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    i took CLTIL’s advice and watched the press conference. strip away the noise and we have a vigorous owner who cut his teeth with the rooneys and is aligned with the krafts. hard to see how that is not a gigantic step forward.

    http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Jimmy-Haslam-Press-Conference—83/f1ed43ab-79b2-4f96-ac3c-7b8f8eeb6613

    • jpftribe

      Yeah, I agree. This guy isn’t going to tolerate nonsense and gets it. Whats more, he wants to do this. He’ll have his ear to the ground and won’t be relying on Holmgren, or anyone else, to form his view of what the rest of the league is doing. Lerner has been a custodian for his dying Dad’s wishes. Lots of upside here.

      Holmgren is gonzo and he knows it. It will be interesting to see if they can / will keep Heckert. If Shurmur 2012 is the same as Shurmur 2011, he’s outta here too.

  • Warburton MacKinnon

    Well, at least in the short term we need to worry more about linebackers more than owners. Doesn’t that just suck? Now,Gocong is out for the season…on the bright side it should be easy to find an upgrade.

  • nj0

    Ugh.

    Google – bloomberg frackers fund university research

  • humboldt

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/08/friends_of_jimmy_haslam_say_cl.html

    Thought of Bupalos when I read this story about Haslem. Looks like we’ve got ourselves a sociopath on our hands, boys. I especially love the part about him demanding that people injured in a volleyball game be dragged off so the match could continue. Oh what a world.

    • nj0

      I like the part where Haslam’s paid lobbyist said we’re lucky to have him.

      • ClevelandFrowns

        Suffice to say my Alpha Bits were in complete disarray this morning. It has to stop sometime, doesn’t it? The darkest hour right before the light?

        • CleveLandThatILove

          You can find the big boy cereals on the higher shelves.

    • NeedsFoodBadly

      “The Haslams count U.S. presidents and Peyton Manning as friends.”

      WTF?

      • Kamov

        Anonymous presidents are the one you voted for – not the guy you hate!

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