Preseason win over Packers is bringing welcome excitement to Cleveland Browns

by Cleveland Frowns on August 17, 2012

In two quarters of play last night in Green Bay against the diseased carcass of the Packers defense, Brandon Weeden exceeded our expectations by completing 12/20 passes for 118 yards, no touchdowns, and no interceptions for a rating of 76.7. Thanks to a Montario Hardesty fumble in the first quarter and time running out at the end of the second quarter, only six of Weeden’s drives lasted more than one play. Four of those drives ended in scores (three field goals and a touchdown), three of the four scoring drives started in Green Bay territory, and two of the four were an average of four-and-a-half yards long.

Packers “starters” played for about one quarter yesterday. Yet Browns head coach Pat Shurmur and Weeden were both quick to say after the game that Weeden faced “a lot of pressure,” which is pathetic, not only because nobody brings “a lot of pressure” in the preseason, but also because Bernie Kosar repeatedly pointed out from the announcer’s booth that the Packers weren’t bringing any pressure at all (e.g., “Green Bay’s only rushing three again.”).

On the other side of the ball, Jordy Nelson owned Joe Haden on two different plays on the first Green Bay drive after Hardesty’s fumble. The first resulted in a badly missed throw by Aaron Rodgers when Nelson had Haden beat by 8 yards on a 20-yard route. The second was a touchdown when the Packers went right back at Joe with the same call two plays later. Green Bay was chugging along again on their next drive, moving 40+ yards on seven plays without needing a third down, before Sheldon Brown made a nice play to strip the ball away from Randall Cobb and the Browns recovered the fumble. Rodgers threw incomplete on 4th-and-2 on his third and final drive before backup quarterback Graham Harrell entered the game to solidify his spot on the 2012 NFL Preseason All Bath Salts team and take a blowtorch to the Colt McCoy trade talk powder keg.

Miraculously, no significant injuries were suffered, and on the whole, from preseason week 1 to preseason week 2, the Browns went from looking like a team that will definitely finish 0-16 to looking like a team that might not finish 0-16. If you want to say anything more about it than that, you should go back and read what Tony Grossi wrote in the Plain Dealer after two preseason games last year.

Alright, home against the Eagles next Friday for a game that promises to be even less interesting than last night’s, but at least we won’t have to worry about any airports, and more importantly Cheddar Bay kicks off in less than 2 weeks. (!!!) This is your weekend open thread. Use it lovingly and wisely as always. Thanks.

  • smittypop2

    Who are you rooting for again?

  • ClevelandFrowns

    In case anyone missed this about Josh MandeLOL yesterday http://t.co/FPuM1dYF

    • p_forever

      lolol loved that – thx

  • Bryan

    I think pre-season statistics and W/L’s are meaningless. What I did take away from the game, however, was that Weeden has top-level physical ability. He has a an elite arm and, because of his height, he can make throws from the pocket that McCoy and Wallace can’t (there were several in this game). Of course, this does not guarantee he will be a good QB in the NFL. As Rod has pointed out, he does seem to get jittery under pressure at times (but not all of the time). Bottom line: At least I feel like we have some talent at the position for the first time since, jeez, who knows when.

    Hardesty showed me some flashes. If TRich comes back, I think we have solid depth at RB with Hardesty and Jacko.

    WR scares me a lot. I like Little, but I am worried Gordon will take along time to develop. We need Mo to come back strong or that position could kill us.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Yes. We have a tall quarterback with a big arm for the first time since Derek Anderson.

      • BIKI024

        the DA comparisons end with being tall and with a big arm. their pedigree is drastically different. DA threw 41 picks in his final 2 seasons in college, with a 52% completion %. Weeden threw for 69% and with 61 TDs and 26 picks in 1075 attempts.

        • ClevelandFrowns

          I guess I could wonder how Weeden would have done on Anderson’s Oregon State team and vice versa, but I don’t really care that much. I understand that Weeden might be better than Anderson.

          • wiseoldredbeard

            All this negativity can’t be good for your regularity. Frownie, be honest, when was your last BM?

          • ClevelandFrowns

            I don’t understand how or why people keep missing this but my favorite team is the Curse of Chief Wahoo. I’m the happiest Cleveland sports fan there is.

            Of course all the headstands and shoulderstands keep me among the most regular as well, but that’s beside the point. It’s the rest of you that I’m worried about. Why do you think I do all this?

    • Beeej

      How did the line look? Hardesty’s 3.8 YPC has me thinking that the O-line was opening up some holes.*

      *I know no blitzing.

      • BIKI024

        Schwartz looked better.. Joe Thomas had a rare holding call, which was warranted, but god i hope they bring the real refs in, these replacements are a joke

        • bupalos

          Schwartz looked much better. 1st team line looked pretty good overall, I think TRich would have averaged another yard the way he finishes runs.

          I’m not sure they can play Gordon at all. I’m a little worried about that guy.

          • BIKI024

            dude, he is still brushing off the cobwebs. there’s no doubt the dude has a lot of work to do with route running and is certainly a work in progress, but he definitely has freakish ability. let’s see how much more he can improve in these next 3 weeks. but he ran that skinny post great on that 2nd drive, so as my boy Shurminator likes to say, “he flashed” at times.

          • bupalos

            The work ethic thing is starting to sink in on me. Now granted you can’t usually see it on the TV coverage, but the two times I did see him run blocking, I DIDN’T see him run blocking. And there was a dropped pick6 that seemed to be a lazy route thing. I’m still glad to have him and develop him, but I think it might be counterproductive to actually play him much out of the gate.

  • vespo09

    Think there’s any truth to these Colt to the Packers trade rumors? I really like the idea of having Colt be our #2 QB and dumping Seneca. Of course, Seneca and Holmgren have been joined at the hip for years, so that probably won’t happen.

    Link (ESPN insider): http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors/_/date/20120817#16934

    • BIKI024

      It seems to me that the Packers are definitely in the market for a backup QB. If Rodgers gets nicked up, the hopes of Cheesehead Nation rests on Graham Harrell, a dude who couldn’t even make our practice squad in 2009.

      • ClevelandFrowns

        I’d want Colt if I was the Packers.

        • BIKI024

          heck yeah, at $500K he’s a steal. i hope the Clowns keep him

        • bupalos

          Yeah I feel like considering their SB prospects, the likelihood that the backup will play at some point, and their cap constraints, Colt should be worth a 3rd to them. They are walking on eggshells if they try to go in to the season with that crew they’ve got there now.

          It would be fine to get out of the whole Colt era at even money I guess, but absent that I’d definitely keep him and the cash over Seneca.

        • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

          packers should offer mason crosby and their 2nd rounder for mccoy and dawson.

          dawson could easily be the difference between super bowl and not for them.

          • Some Guy

            100 likes for the thought of Dawson getting to the Super Bowl.

          • wiseoldredbeard

            I want to keep Dawson. We have so little, can’t we have the best kicker?

          • ClevelandFrowns

            The space/time continuum would surely collapse if Dawson’s 50 yard fgs weren’t there to anchor the Browns offense.

  • vespo09

    It really is a nice thing to have. You know we haven’t scored 40 points in a game since he was the QB?

    • p_forever

      ahem – the *beautiful* tall QB with the big arm was most definitely wearing green and gold.

      • actovegin1armstrong

        Yes, your boy is certainly a pretty guy, but that does not help when you get “happy feet”.
        However I still think that he could be a good QB in the NFL.
        He is however, certainly dating beneath him.
        I have only seen a few pics, so I may be mistaken, but that Alicia Sacagawea woman is not what one would call an attractive catch.

    • Anne

      Yeah, those field goals really add up after awhile. I want to see TDs and the ability to drive the whole field instead of stalling out after only 30 yards. 8 possessions but only 4 scores and 3 of those were field goals. Gotta do better than that.

  • BIKI024

    Indeed very nice to get out of there with no additional injuries.

    All preseason does for me is prove how big a marketing monster the NFL is. Does anyone give a rat’s ass about nba preseason, or spring training for MLB?? Since fans haven’t seen NFL action for 6 months and in the Browns case, 8.5 months, they go nuts with anticipation. Preseason NFL is the most meaningless thing ever, and to think the NFL gets full regular season prices for the tickets, biggest scam in America.

    • Beeej

      I would say spring training is a much bigger deal than NFL preseason. People get pumped when pitchers and catchers report.

      • BIKI024

        so are you the pitcher or the catcher?

        • acto

          Biki, you need a couple dozen “COOL IT”s.
          Are you trying to make this a dating game?
          Please leave Beeej alone.

  • technivore

    All I was looking for last night was 1.) no injuries, and 2.) for the 1st unit on offense to not completely embarrass themselves. Mission accomplished on both accounts, I guess. Weeden made some nice throws, but all that tells me is that he has the capability to maybe someday make some nice throws in a real game. My expectations for the first half of the season are still no better than 2-6, with Weeden looking completely lost and overwhelmed most of the time.

  • bupalos

    Other than the continued undeserved bagging on Haden, not much to disagree with.

    He clearly was supposed to have a safety over the top on the first one (or thought he was, there’s no way he jumped the outside just because) and the second one was essentially perfect coverage just a case of an incredibly perfect throw and catch.

    I for one wasn’t expecting much of Weeden and I don’t think I saw much. I am amazed they aren’t opening the field more and letting him throw. I don’t think they took a single downfield shot with him in there. Considering his age and inexperience, I would play him every single down of the last two preseason games. They need to fast-track this thing. I’d still trade him and a 5th of Couch for DeCastro.

    Nice to see Hardesty get some work in and apparently be fine. Looks fairly mediocre to this point, but it’s better than an injury washout.

    Good call by Biki on Trevan Wade.

    • BIKI024

      by all accounts, DeCastro is struggling in camp. But regardless, yeah, a RG for a potential franchise QB?? no wonder you’re in the treehugging business.

      • ClevelandFrowns

        As opposed to the time-tested NFL draft expertise of America’s finest and only purveyor of bottled water for dogs? Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? You realize a player at every position on the field drafted higher than this “potential franchise QB,” right? Bup even tried to pay you a compliment, too.

        But yes, congrats, Superfan. After three years of relentless cheerleading for every goddamned scrub Heckert has ever put on this roster, one of them finally looked good in a preseason game. One million cocktails to you.

        • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

          PAWGUA!!

          where the FUCK is my PAWGUA??????

        • BIKI024

          BEEP BEEP BEEP

      • acto

        “Franchise Quarterback”?
        Like All-Pro Anderson?
        I vote for a ban on that absolutely inane phrase.

        • rodofdisaster

          …and a moratorium on the use of the word “intangible” please.

      • bupalos

        Every QB drafted anywhere ever is a “potential franchise QB.” That and a bag of interceptions will buy you Ty Detmer. There are things I like plenty about Weeden but I’m just not sure the pressure freakouts are fixable. Sure hope so. I’d like to see the guy take a sack at least once.

        And I only sideline as a treehugger. My main business is stomping mudholes in chumps.

      • Anne

        DeCastro has already earned the start for the Steelers and he apparently looks as good as advertised. O-linemen are better bets than QBs which don’t work out half the time .

        And out O-line is still weak on the right, We ran almost twice as much as passed against the lst team defense so there wasn’t much blitzing but the packers still got to Weeden several times in the 1st quarter.

        We could never run to the right, only the left, and every run to the right got stuffed at the line of scrimmage. We’re going to have to worry about the line for another year.

    • BIKI024

      good call by Heckert and the scouts on Wade (and a bunch others). love the work ethic and attitude of all the young fellas. if Heckert gets replaced, i think Banner has to be happy with the way the roster is looking. beef up LB and WR next year and we should finally have a respectable roster.

      • Petefranklin

        If Gordon turns out to be worth a 2nd.

    • http://twitter.com/TDDeBord David DeBord

      Agree with bupalos on the 2nd play, that was good coverage, Rodgers and Nelson simply beat him with great execution. That is why we watch the games, even the preseason ones.

      • ClevelandFrowns

        There is something about getting burned two plays earlier that will keep a guy on his toes for the same exact play two plays later.

        • dubbythe1

          he stopped taking his Aderral.

        • bupalos

          He did not get burned. Check it out again. He jumps outside at the snap. That’s a blown coverage, and I doubt it’s Haden’s fault.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            OK, if you say so, then the Browns secondary (of which Haden is supposed to be the best player) got burned badly. Again.

            I don’t really get the “great coverage” thing, either. If you’re really “right there,” make a play.

            But I know, every time Haden gets beat it’s because Hall of Fame caliber opponents (Jordy!) execute to perfection.

          • Art_Brosef

            Its amazing what one can get and not get when their mind is already made up.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            Yes, there are people whose minds are made up that Haden is a superstar that’s above reproach, and there are other people who keep seeing him (or his secondary) get beat on big plays and wonder what to make of it. I agree that the former category is especially amazing.

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    can we please stop allowing the bar to be set at the lowest possible level?

    you’d think ‘not having injuries’ = ‘field goals’ for all their mentions around the browns. if one were to substitute shurmur for herm edwards here, you’d hear a passionate, ‘YOU PLAY TO NOT GET INJURED.’ cripes.

    • technivore

      Well let me put it this way: given that Shurmur is absolutely not going to do anything interesting, creative, or in any way aggressive during the preseason, the best you can hope for is the team gets through its reps without losing anybody.

      That doesn’t mean that Shurmur is off the hook for being so rigid and uncreative. He is awful, and like you I’m hoping to see him canned midseason.

      • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

        yeah.. my comment was partly in support of bup’s comment:

        “… Considering his age and inexperience, I would play him every single down of the last two preseason games. They need to fast-track this thing. …”

        but i know and you know that both thaddeus lewis and seneca wallace will get more reps than weeden. it made no sense last year, makes no sense this year. and when we’re 0-5 and MKC starts talking about all the inexperience and rookies on the team, it will be as if this two week august vacation for the starters never happened.

        • technivore

          God forbid the Eagles get any extra game film on Weeden playing the Bears 4th stringers.

          • bupalos

            Yeah this thing about having to hide our offense so we can launch a surprise attack on the league is going to look sooooo stupid when we’re 2-9. It’s a development year. Develop.

          • rodofdisaster

            I don’t think the Eagles game plan for Weeden has changed since he was named starter. Brandon had better learn how to pronounce “DeMeco” and “Babin”.

    • Davekolonich

      Shurmurball is all about setting the bar at the lowest possible level. In about three years, his offense will be capable of completing a screen pass.

      • bupalos

        This team should be the screen dream team, our whole o-line can move, even and especially the center, and we have a perfect back for it. So we probably won’t see that.

      • Petefranklin

        I liked just because of the picture of the red headed Browns fan throwing the beer bottle on your site. I’m pretty sure I went to high with that dude, I’m glad to see he got out of the pen.

  • wiseoldredbeard

    I thought they looked good and I enjoyed listening to the game (free on the radio for out of towners). Sure, it could have been better, but it is also the guy’s second game at QB in the NFL. The o-line looked good. Hardesty had the look of a legit number two (fumble aside). Progress is progress, and if they can continue to look better from week to week, we should be happy (instead of sarcastic). No need to blow bubbles up Shurmur’s ass, but why not some credit where it’s due? What would it take to turn that frown upsidedown, Frownie? I mean, other than Mangini in the headset…

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Superbowl

      • wiseoldredbeard

        OK, so no smiles until Superbowl. What about one of these Charlie Brown sort-of-smiles? You know, some up, some down…

        • ClevelandFrowns

          As noted above, this makes no sense.

  • wiseoldredbeard
    • ClevelandFrowns

      Totally hilarious. Any lingering doubts that Gilbert & Butthurt Cleveland v. LeBron is anything other than a third world internecine nightmare may now be put to rest. Thanks for posting.

  • Art_Brosef

    There was lots of talk that the first time Haden got beat, he was supposed to have help over the top. Is there anyone who knows more about this specifically? Rod? Also Hadens coverage on the TD pass was really really good, the catch was just better. Its tough to get on him for that play.

    Either way, is Cheddar Bay starting week one of the NCAA season or waiting till the NFL season kicks off?

  • ClevelandFrowns
  • Davekolonich

    “Bernie Kosar repeatedly pointed out from the announcer’s booth that the Packers weren’t bringing any pressure at all (e.g., “Green Bay’s only rushing three again.”).”

    Except for that one play on the second drive, when the Packers blitzed ONE and Weeden had to lead foot it out of the pocket.

    I know I’ve been really negative with this team so far, but Shurmur’s offense has somehow become simpler this year and more conservative. What exactly are all those ex-coaches/Holmgren buddies doing in the press box?

    • Art_Brosef

      I loved Kosar yesterday, who I actually heard since I was watching at home and not the bar. I laughed out loud when he said the ref threw the flag cause the Browns receiver dropped such an an easy pass.

      • Davekolonich

        Unfortunately, I had to listen to the Packer broadcast, which had Rich Gannon. Gannon basically said the exact same thing about Weeden that he said about McCoy…and Quinn.

        • rodofdisaster

          Two things annoy me about Rich Gannon:

          1) His attitude towards the job a player or coach is doing will change from his TV gig to his radio gig (see Daboll, Brian or McCoy, Colt). I don’t care if it’s for or against but please don’t flip-flop.

          2) He seems as if he’s trying desperately to have the inflection and vocal manner of Ron Jaworski and it drives me nuts.

          • Davekolonich

            I hate to say it (but will), but I think Gannon suffered some head injuries during his career. And I don’t say that in the dumb “he doesn’t know what he’s talking about” way. He is either completely unprepared or doesn’t process what’s going on. He’s gotten worse over the past few years – when color guys tend to improve.

      • CleveLandThatILove

        I wish he was the color guy all year, seriously. Him and Jimmy D are great together.

        • Art_Brosef

          You don’t like listening to a stoned Doug Deiken?

          • Davekolonich

            Dieken is Dieken and he’s “ours.” But Kosar is both analytical and unpolished – the way a color guy should be.

          • rodofdisaster

            Kinda like Ron Santo was with the Cubs. Kinda zany but still with essential information.

        • Beeej

          Bernie does for color commentary what Rod does for Frowns readers.

          • CleveLandThatILove

            Exactly!

  • rodofdisaster

    Week 2 sees me annoyed at the amount of definitive statements being made by the media about the Browns’ players’ performance. Overanalyzing the preseason is inherently hard if not ill-advised.

    Here’s what I liked:

    1) Starting OL- I thought that Mitchell Schwartz was much improved and you could see why this guy merited a first day pick. I thought Alex Mack was outstanding on BJ Raji. I was a fan of Pinkston’s last year and you haven’t heard many miscues from him and Lauvao so far but it’s admittedly too soon. They haven’t faced any complex stunts or blitzes (contrary to what Tony Grossi believes). I liked what I saw from Ryan Miller as well.

    2) Colt McCoy- It’s readily apparent that the organization is showcasing McCoy long enough for potential suitors but not long enough for a QB controversy. I think it’s a bit unfair to diminish this kid as much as he seems to be maligned in the press but that’s probably just the nature of the NFL. I think he shows more anticipation and command this preseason having had the benefit of an offseason but that’s about it. The question on my mind is “If he’s good enough to be Green Bay’s backup then why is he less valuable to Cleveland?”. I don’t hear that he’s been a problem at all in the locker room and to my eye, he’s always had more upside than Wallace. If we had a surplus at another position full of questions, say, wide receiver would it be different? If Josh Gordon catches fire and MoMass looks like an All-Pro would we be talking about trading Greg Little? Why can’t we improve the depth too? If Wallace wasn’t the object of Holmgren’s man-love would he really be the better option as a backup? How many NFL GM’s would take a flyer on Wallace if we cut him?

    3) Trevin Wade- I didn’t see his injury and I don’t know how bad it is but I couldn’t help but think that this guy didn’t look like a 7th rounder.

    4) Brian Sanford. Again, he needs a big play but he flushed the QB several times and was in on the play frequently while running with the 2′s. Still a longshot to make the club in my mind but I love the hustle.

    Things that were “so-so”

    1) Brandon Weeden- Clearly better this week (although he still threw another ‘almost’ pick six). Looks a little tentative and every time he’s under pressure will be angst-provoking. The screen that he over-threw into AJ Hawk’s shoulder was not only ill-advised but horribly off the mark. Not bad. Not great. Good enough.

    2) Greg Little, sort of,…is he turning into Braylon Edwards with these “Oh God he’s open oh wait how could he drop that?!” drops?

    3) Josh Gordon- I like what I see from Josh but he’s clearly not up to speed mentally. Most movements still look tentative.

    4) Joe Haden- Yes, he was beat for a TD but that wasn’t on him. Sure he could have looked a split-second earlier but it was good coverage. I haven’t looked back at the previous play yet but either he or the SF blew it.

    Things I could have done without:

    1) Oniel Cousins.

    2) TJ Ward jawing at a WR after giving up a 10 yard play on first down.

    3)Play design: On a sweep play to the left, why would you pull your LG Pinkston and bring him all the way across to try and block a backside safety who is clearly much faster than Jason? That was ridiculous and the play was dropped in the backfield.

    4) The allusion to the fact that Ray Rhodes is a “consultant”. Seems like a kiss of death.

    5) Almost quick-snapped…again.

    • bupalos

      Hey, not to crib anyone, but I think what Rod thinks here!

      Especially the screen, that was a total WTF.

      • Beeej

        I can’t remember the last time the Browns ran a successful screen…Maybe Magini’s win against the Steelers???

    • nj0

      Great points on Colt.

    • GrandRapidsRustlers

      As the lone CU fan in NE Ohio I am glad you liked what you saw from Ryan Miller…he is a big nasty SOB who can be a part of this team going forward and provide good depth this year.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      “If he’s good enough to be Green Bay’s backup then why is he less valuable to Cleveland?”

      Because we are too stupid to know what to do with something like a decent backup quarterback.

      • nj0

        We promote the decent backup to substandard starter.

    • CleveLandThatILove

      Special teams look much improved (minus Cousins) from last year.

    • jpftribe

      Completely agree with the comments on Colt. Unfortunately, they will have to trade him to avoid the inevitable QB controversy in the middle of the season when they are 6-8 games below .500, and Weeden is playing like the rookie 22nd pick he is. Luck, RGIII and Newton will be the toast of their towns and it will be obvious that Weeden has at least a couple of years before he is NFL ready, and will be average at best.

      Colt will look sharp in practice, maybe even get a chance to play if Weeden goes down for a game or a series, and the whole world will be calling for him to come in and rescue the season.

      Pretty easy to see this one coming and Holmgren and Co created it Day 1 minutes after drafting Weeden. Huge mistake in how they handled his selection.

      The only wildcard is if Haslam has or will step in to nix a trade, knowing Holmgren is already gone and Shurmur will likely follow by season’s end.

      Hence your comment on Rhodes is very interesting.

  • Art_Brosef

    I can’t reply to the comment below,so I’ll do it here.

    I missed the part in this thread where someone, or anyone, referred to Haden as a superstar. I thought we were discussing the two plays you specifically mentioned in this post.

  • mo_by_dick

    Ladies & Gentlemen … WE GOT ONE.

    DRINK!

    • ClevelandFrowns

      IT’S BEAUTIFUL!

      • Hopwin

        Is that a Surface?

  • nj0

    More Horseshoe love.

    Said Kindt, “They’re [the casino owners] going to take millions and millions out of the local economy — more than they’re putting in.”

    http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2012/08/casino_will_empty_local_pocket.html

  • Dinger63

    As a reader and fan of Frownstown please accept this plea on all levels conceivable to you and the cognescenti who post here, “cite nothing written or reported by Grossi or his protege Cabot.” I could sit on the commode and come up the same insipid drivel that these two produce and without stretching the mind I could be more informative and readable. I thought MKC would be an upgrade to the Akron-Canton airport misanthrope, but alas I have been so disappointed as to cancel my virtual subscription to the PD online edition.

  • nj0
    • Petefranklin

      Cleveland won a title and there was color film to document it? I thought you had to put a penny in the machine and turn the crank handle to watch.

  • Warburton MacKinnon

    Not gonna say that Weeden does not maybe have a bigger upside than Colt. Yet I do not think he(Weeden) has shown any evidence of being a so called Franchise player(not a term I like but what seems to be used in reference to a QB,in todays NFL). Weeden is old,compared to most qbs,he is leadfooted and slow,and scared,it seems when pressure comes. If that Vanilla defense GB used could catch better than OUR recievers..or maybe even as good they would have had one and maybe two pick sixes off of Weedens bad desicions.
    Don’t love Colt but he should have had another year,excluding Thad against Detroit he has been far and away the best QB in a Browns uniform. I kinda think in GB he only got one series because he did so well. I get we don’t want a conteversy about QB’s and all that…but if a 28year old QB that you drafted doesn’t work give it back to the young guy,who is and obviously can improve. Remember also Weeden has a short NFL life span,considering he starts at 28 spare me the comparisons to other QBs who played when the NFL lifespan was not as short as it is now..Weeden is older than anyone you compare him to anyone else who came in late at the QB position and didn’t have a benifit of being in any armed service, you know somewhere he may just have learned those intagible skills I have not yet seen. Just think Colt has earned some rope..which he could well hang himself with,don’t see other than Weedens inflated pick that Weeden has earned rope. Hardestey also sucked.

    On the bright side defense looked decent against a QB who shouldn’t make any practice squad,yeah I know he couldn’t be put on one because he is in his 3rd or 4th year in the league..doesn’t change the fact he should just not play(Harrel I mean). If GB wanted to win this last game they would have destroyed us,I live in Milwaukee right now and know what they can do. The first series after the fumble was exactly how they would treat our team,again and again. I honestly don’t know IF the first play was a blown coverage or not..Hayden our best was beaten by a 3rd stringer Jordy Nelson..bet most haven’t heard that name much. Okay,so the 1st time they try it it doesn’t work,so then they waste a play and do it again,and this was worse than if he got beat straight out,Hayden was turned around on the play..didn’t play the ball..and then got outmuscled…so our best guy(and according to ESPN polls is the best CB in the AFC north) got well and truly beat again. Think about it yes GB started with great field position,still only took 3 plays to get it in the end zone,and two of the three were against our best coverage man. I think they only played Harrel as long as they did was to see if they need a new backup to Rodgers,and this showed that they do. I worry only at little bit less than after the Detroit game. In the 0-16 season Detroit was 4-0 in the preseason, we may,just may be heading that way. Granted I attribute this more to our coaches than those that play the game.
    Can we fire Shurmer now???? I dread what will happen with another season of his so called Play-Calling. As I see it right now we will likely be on par win wise with the last few years 4-5,but our injurey list will rival all other seasons. They carted Wade(I think) off the field because of *explitive* soreness,really are you kidding me or *expletive* with me? If folks are comming off the field with soreness and need strechers or carts that means cramping since they are not hydrated enough. That would be not drinking enough water,HOW many former head coaches do we have on staff again. It’s kind of easy to see when someone is dehydrated or comming down with heat stroke,good coaches don’t let that shit happen to their players. The current crop of Browns coaches don’t seem to care only way you go down with ‘soreness’ and are up to play the next day is dehydration,thus our coaches are not properly coaching the players…Wade is either 7th round or undrafted and busting his ass to make this team yet he doesn’t seem to be helped on something so simple as drinking water. I could excuse it somewhat if it was an offensive player,since we all know this is just Shurmmers 2nd season as head coach…but there is no excuse for Juraon. Our DC has been not only a Head coach,multiple places but a DC multiple places. Won’t,or haven’t decided Heckert needs to go but other than him,maybe,the rest need to go starting from Holmgren on down the list. I would even say I would prefer Phil Dawson coaching the team(great player,but still he’s a kicker) than anyone we have on staff including the mighty Walrus/Holmgren,whom may have won a second SB if he would have coached his QB,,,ya know one of the 3 QBs he has man-crushes on Farve(other 2 being Hassleback and Wallece).

  • Warburton MacKinnon

    wow didn’t expect that to such a long and umm angry rant..oops forgive me I ahven’t slept in a bit.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      It’s OK. It’s OK.

  • Petefranklin

    Anyone making odds on whether Acta survives to manage tomorrow night? Guess I’ll just hit the M’s on the runline again if he does. Today was the day to win, Parker had hit a wall and has been pretty bad lately and he shuts us down completely,DRRRRRRRINK!

    • GrandRapidsRustlers

      Count me in the crowd that can not wait until he gets fired. There is going to be a line of players who want to talk when he leaves. He lost this team with the Wise incident in NY when he never left the dugout when it happened and then never left AGAIN when Jack got tossed the next inning. 17-32 since that night in NY where he lost the locker room. This team has problems (mainly a lack of starting pitching) but has way too much young talent to play at a .346 clip.

      • Petefranklin

        I did not realize that record, thanks. You are right about the talent, its pretty close to Oaklands so something else is definitely up, you probably hit the nail on the head. I’ve always hated that Acta never argues or sticks up for his players all that much, Billy Martin would probably still have those dogs contending.

  • http://www.autismspeaks.org/ PML
    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      classier still, cleveland media (attached).

      cue the idiot fandom on other sites to tell us how courageous perez is. #KEEPINGITREAL

      • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

        here’s another defense of perez…

      • http://www.autismspeaks.org/ PML

        I get annoyed at myself for paying even the slightest attention to this nozzle.

      • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

        and another defense (attached). lol at not -explicitly- taking a point-of-view but retweeting the only @TheBigLead tweet coming close to exonerating perez.

        i suppose there’s mitigating circumstances for a baseball player to stroll 50 yards over to the stands in order to brag about being an all-star, his salary, and not caring about where his team is in the standings. cant wait to hear them.

      • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

        add another to the list.

    • GrandRapidsRustlers

      Good team guy. Check his $tats.

      That is an offseason trade I am looking forward to.

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