Greg Little is not the problem with the Cleveland Browns

by Cleveland Frowns on September 25, 2012

In the fallout of the latest thoroughly demoralizing loss of the Pat Shurmur era, a matchup in which the Browns were dominated in all three phases of the game by the Buffalo Bills, Shurmur and his friends at the Browns’ wholly owned press organ want you to know that it’s all Greg Little’s fault. Little dropped one five-yard pass in Browns’ territory with about 30 seconds left in the first half of a thoroughly demoralizing three-phase loss to the Buffalo Bills, and the best that the top Browns beat writer at the biggest paper in town can do for a story on the following Monday is this:

Cleveland Browns coach Pat Shurmur comes down hard on Greg Little.”

In thirteen drives on Sunday, the Browns offense managed to cross the Bills’ 44-yard line exactly twice. On a staggering seven of these drives, they couldn’t move the ball more than 9 yards. Six of them were three-and-outs or worse, and eleven of the thirteen ended in punts (9) or interceptions (2). Brandon Weeden threw both of those interceptions in the fourth quarter, where the Browns moved the ball a total of 20 yards on three drives. And overall, the Browns quarterback “averaged a pedestrian 5.5 yards per attempt overall,” with “[m]ore than a few passes [having] no chance for significant gain as soon as they left the hand.”

On the other side of the ball, the defense was as resilient as a wet paper towel for long stretches, including the entire first quarter, and in the fourth when it mattered the most.

But Greg Little is the one we’re going to come down hard on today because he dropped one short pass in Browns territory. 

BEREA, Ohio — Pat Shurmur sent a message loud and clear to receiver Greg Little Monday: catch the passes and drop the poses.

Right, the poses: Little’s two-second imitation of world record sprinter Usain Bolt that’s hardly different from the “first down” gesture that 75% of the league’s receivers use when they make a catch that moves the chains.

But if you listened to Cleveland sports talk radio or logged on to Twitter for as much as 30 seconds yesterday, you have some idea of how much some folks in town would like to believe that all of the Browns problems would be solved if that boy Greg Little would just learn his place. So go on, Pat. Give the people what they want:

Shurmur warned Little that if he doesn’t hang on, he’ll be posing on the bench. “We can’t play a guy that’s going to drop footballs,” said Shurmur.

Pat Shurmur, football wizard and guru of NFL offensive schematics, now with a career head coaching record of 0-15 against teams playing with quarterbacks any better than Chad Henne and Chaz Whitehurst, can’t play a guy that drops footballs. Yet Tom Coughlin, head coach of the defending Super Bowl champion New York Giants, can. Giants receiver Victor Cruz, who had a better year than any pass catcher in the league last season, has been charged with four dropped passes so far this season. Of course, that’s twice as many as Little’s two (two) drops, yet somehow the Giants are 2-1. And a quick look at the list of the NFL’s dropped passes leaders shows that it’s actually littered with perennial Pro Bowlers on winning teams, including Arian Foster, Jason Witten, Julio Jones, Vernon Davis, Tony Gonzalez, Andre Johnson and Wes Welker, among others, all of whom have at least as many drops as Little does (2).

It’s hard to imagine a more feckless and obfuscatory response to Sunday’s game than to make Greg Little the headline scapegoat for it. And while it’s one thing for Mary Kay Cabot and her bosses at the Plain Dealer to keep diving for the lowest hanging fruit,  it’s another for Shurmur to take the bait instead of beating back with what should have been the obvious response:

“Shucks, Mary Kay, of course we’d like to see our receivers make every catch, and yes, one play can here and there can and often does make a big difference, but you know, drops are a part of the game. If you look at the list of league leaders in dropped passes you’ll see that it’s full of some of the best players in the league. That’s because those guys are the ones whom the quarterbacks want to throw to. Greg Little was our most productive receiver last season and there’s no reason he shouldn’t keep getting better. The real problem here is that we all need to do a better job as a football team to get to a point where the odd drop here and there doesn’t end up making so much of a difference.”

Then you can say something else to your young receiver behind closed doors.

But of course, when you’re a head coach who’s drowning in his own illegitimacy and incompetence, you’ll do the opposite. You’ll take the opportunity to take some heat off of yourself, and put even more pressure on your developing players by helping turn a non-issue into a headline.

So Greg Little is going to be benched for Jordan Norwood in Baltimore on Thursday? That ought to do the trick.

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In response to Terry Pluto’s latest, we’ll just put this here.

And the quote of the day is from Brandon Weeden, who, in addition to chalking up another L with a 65 QB rating, two interceptions, one touchdown, “a pedestrian 5.5 yards per attempt overall,” and “[m]ore than a few passes [having] no chance for significant gain as soon as they left the hand,” is doing just fine:

“If you take away the last throw, I thought it was a solid day. I threw ball where it needed to go all day. I felt extremely comfortable in the pocket. I felt my reads were really good. I felt like I threw the ball accurately.”

#UsainBoltPose

We’ll be back tomorrow with an Xs and Os post on Sunday’s showing by the Browns rushing attack against the Bills defense.

  • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

    The Dumpster Fire -

    1/2 oz Creme De Menthe
    1/2 oz Fireball Whiskey
    Float with 1/2 oz Bacardi 151.
    Light on fire.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Needs more benzene and liquid camphor.

      • acto

        I want mine with Hemlock.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Also, I think it’s technically called “The Shurmurball.”

      • dubbythe1

        the Shurmurball is a plastic sippy cup of flat beer with Flecks of magnesium for flash.

        • Believelander

          Hey dubby, how is a Shurmurball prepared?

          HAHAHA IT ISN’T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          This is also why the Burning Dumpster can’t be called a Shurmurball, because a Burning Dumpster requires preparation!!!!!

          I’m going to go make another Disqus account to Like my own comment. I just made me laugh so hard and the fact that nobody else is grinning is IRRELEVENT!

          • Defenestration

            Bravo!

          • Believelander

            Lol I was like “ooh a reply to a comment” which made me read the comment again for context which made me giggle anew. So glad my roomies aren’t home.

          • Beeej

            A Shumurball: Melted Ice (water that was prepared but didn’t perform) and Diet Dr. Pepper (tastes just like regular Dr. Pepper but isn’t), and a splash of Cherry juice (for flash).

          • CleveLandThatILove

            You heard me laughing, didn’t you?

          • acto

            Brilliant stuff Believe!

        • acto

          dubby,
          You forgot that it is laced with lithium and alprazolam for the 4th quarter.

          • 910Derp

            Garnish with a Bradford Pear blossom for that hot garbage aroma so crucial for a complete experience.

    • Believelander

      Really, or did you just invent this on the spot? Because it sounds good. If this was inspired by my comment yesterday I’m proud of you and me but prouder of you, and I might have to make myself one.

      I think there should be a rule that on Sunday, you have to drink the Dumpster Fire while it’s still burning, because that’s how the Browns get fed to us – live, in Technicolor, and sending a smutty plume of soot, smoke, and trash stench into the sky.

      • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

        I’ll definitely give you a couple pats on the back (or just buy you a shot) for inspiring me to come up with this.

        I added green for the dumpster, fireball for the orange and 151 for the flames. I just kinda winged it here.

        • Believelander

          LOL never thought of green symbolism for the dumpster. Even better, the combination of orange and green doesn’t mix color-schematically, so it takes you into brown. So we have orange and brown. Epic.

          Edit: I wonder if this drink would taste any good. Hopefully not. Browns fans wouldn’t know how to drink it.

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            It’s called a “dumpster fire”. It most certainly should taste awful.

            Worse comes to worse, Apple Pucker is green too. But as a man, I have a difficult time ordering a drink with f*cking Apple Pucker in it.

          • Believelander

            Well that’s a good sign, because men don’t do that. Every girly chick I know loves some form of Pucker, but usually Apple.

            And no, I love the brown color and the rough taste. The option to drink it while it’s burning. It’s all astutely symbolic.

          • acto

            Admit it Chris, you order your Apple Pucker Spritzer in a long stem glass with an umbrella in it just like me.

          • bupalos

            Actually with those densities I thing a careful pour should allow it to stay separate. It sounds like something that not even I could enjoy though.

  • Ess Eh

    I’m confused. Did Greg Little battle? or didn’t he?

    • NeedsFoodBadly

      he battled but he failed to execute but he’s competing

      • Beeej

        He battled while competing, but we needed more flashes.

        • wiseoldredbeard

          He flashes and competes, we just need to make sure that when he battles he make the plays we need him to make. Flash. Battle battle. Compete plays battle. Up. Up. Down. Down. Left. Right. Left. Right. B. A. Select. Start.

          • Beeej

            I’m not too sure how “old” you can be with knowledge of the Contra code.

          • wiseoldredbeard

            You’ve forgotten about the wise part…

          • Believelander

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

          • Believelander

            HOLMGREN TAUGHT SHURMUR TO USE THE CONTRA CODE ON OUR BRAINS!

          • 910Derp

            How do you get unlimited ammo?

            ASK PAT

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

            liked for making it a 2 player game.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            Liked for liking for that reason. Would like again.

    • acto

      esse, Little battled, Shurmur babbled.

  • fatscatback

    Man, the entire NFL is a dumpster fire right now.

    It is unwatchable (making the Browns doubly unwatchable). I literally haven’t been able to watch an entire half this season, and I am done until the lockout is ended.

    This entire fiasco has revealed a lot about fans, owners, players, reporters, coaches, the “shield”–and none of it is very pretty.

    • Believelander

      Disagree completely about the lockout. If the replacement refs are unwatchable to you and the regular refs weren’t, it was because of the absence of widespread scrutiny of the regular refs – the ‘shield’ as you put it. They were just as garbage as the replacement refs. There’s nothing wrong with the replacement officials – any NFL ref in his first 3 weeks would look the same. The problem is that before, there were experienced NFL refs around them. People talk about the Browns starting so many rookies. The NFL is starting a rookie official at every position.

      The truth: the replacement refs make more mistakes, but I’d wager money that the real refs would have made the same bad call. Refs have blown calls that have cost teams wins that they earned every season since forever. So while these refs’ lack of experience is causing more mistakes, it’s a drop in the bucket next to the elephant in the room, which is the fact that the heightened awareness the scab refs have created is likely to bring the facade of the real refs’ competence crashing down when the lockout ends.

      Or to put it succinctly, both groups are awful. This group has an excuse.

      • BIKI024

        good thing you’re not a betting man.. sure the scrutiny is making it worse, and sure rookies are rookies, but these guys are Division III and high school refs, so it’s not like they were even prepared or trained for the big leagues.

        besides, i can’t remember hearing anytime the refs gave the Center a ball only used for FGs and Kickoffs for a regular play, OR the refs accidentally walking an extra 12 yards in field position on a penalty OR allowing a coach to challenge a play after using all his timeouts, TWICE!! the list goes on and on and on.

        not to mention all their delays and mistakes are ruining the tempo of the game for the fans but more importantly for the offenses. sure it affects both teams so it’s not like any team has an advantage over another, but enough is enough. even President Obama, hours after his speech at the UN today, tweeted that he hopes a deal is reached ASAP, and believe it or not, one sportsbook is not counting this TD and gave the win to GB!

        • Believelander

          In response to point 1 – the NFL trained these refs to ref in the NFL. What that training entailed, I couldn’t tell you. But it takes time to get good at anything, especially when there’s such a glut of knowledge to absorb. There are so many differences at the pro level.

          Rebuttal to point 2-3: the mistakes and delays may be affecting both teams in some unquantifiable way that’s not provable, but ‘tempo’ is like ‘protection’ for hitters in the MLB – oft cited, never validated.

          And yes, the call was wrong. The reason it’s getting run is because the refs are replacements. The NFL media machine has circled the wagons for so long that only the most legendary controversies get brought up, and they get brought up as entertainment in highlight reel shows to generate more money. Refs have been boning games in this manner every season since forever. There are more mistakes, but in reality, it’s really the same. There’s just more scrutiny of the same bullshit.

          The Browns missed the playoffs in 2007 because a ref blew a non-reviewable call. Green Bay is probably not going to miss the playoffs because of this. They can suck it up, cuddle with their case full of trophies, and get the f*** over it. And the fans talking about the integrity of the game? Hah. If that is your measuring stick for the game’s integrity, it never had integrity to begin with and you believed the corporate line that it did. Period.

          Edit: BTW, the sportsbook is not giving the win to the other team, that would be illegal. They are declaring a mulligan and refunding the bettors’ money in full, which is a classy PR stunt and has nothing to do with integrity.

          • BIKI024

            it’s the NFL, the highest level of the sport with billions of dollars in revenue, why should they settle for “on the job training”? to save a few bucks? yes, of course the real refs makes mistakes too, but these guys are a complete joke. the fact that you are defending is an even bigger joke.

          • Believelander

            The fact that you think I’m defending them is a joke roughly on par with the Jets.

            I’m actually attacking the fact that people think they’re worse than the garbage officiating we’ve been having since forever. People keep piling on and it’s all a giant farce because in reality, they have simply made the game different, not worse. The famous figures banging their fist about how these guys are making the game worse are the real problem. Just shut the fuck up, toe the bullshit corporate line like you always have because the NFL is your gravy train, and cut away from the refs’ mistakes like your networks always have. The media coming out of the NFL including ‘live’ game footage is so NFL-controlled and doctored it’s mind-boggling that they’re allowing this hilarious magnification of the mistakes of only slightly more incompetent refs continue unabated in every media outlet that they have massive influence, because it makes the refs’ bargaining power greater.

            At this point I hope the real refs never come back. The intensity of the scrutiny may force them to actually become better at officiating and implement more fast-paced streamlined replay technology to assist in officiating. The ability of people to scrutinize what they’re seeing has evolved so radically, it’s amusing they’ve let it get this far, but then again, American big business doesn’t ‘waste’ money filling buckets with water until the building has burned down to the ground.

          • BIKI024

            don’t forget about the debacle the refs admittedly contributed to in SB XL, which would’ve given the Big Show his 2nd ring as a HC.

          • Believelander

            You mean the ‘real’ refs that blew an entire Super Bowl?

            And yet that admittance came later, and more quietly, and never had the entire US media machine talking about it, never caused sports books to refund customers who may have gotten ripped off on the line. The aftermath of some regular season Monday Night Football game in week 3 has had a nuclear orgy of media attention, and THAT IS MY POINT! THE ONLY REASON THESE INCOMPETENT REFS ARE GETTING BUTCHERED IS BECAUSE THEY’RE NEW INCOMPETENT REFS!

            When they make the RIGHT call the networks are replaying it and the announcers are parsing it. I’m literally sitting here laughing right now because you’ve illustrated my entire point. Music City Miracle? The only miracle was that not one ref saw, as the sideline shot CLEARLY SHOWS, that it was a forward pass. Calvin Johnson ‘incomplete’ game winning pass 2010? Discussed, parsed, used for fodder to generate TV ratings on talking head networks, then promptly shoved into the NFL’s image-damaging locker of black-holeyness, and forgotten about by all but angry Lions fans. The Browns MISSED THE PLAYOFFS IN 2007 BECAUSE AFTER KELLEN WINSLOW GOT FORCED OUT OF BOUNDS ON A CATCH WHEN THE FORCE RULE WAS STILL IN EFFECT SO BLATANTLY HE CAME UP PREGNANT an INCOMPETENT LINE JUDGE RULED IT INCOMPLETE!

            And on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on where the
            ‘real’ (I like to call them the ‘other’) refs made bonederp calls that swung momentum or cost teams games directly, but the TV machine wasn’t hamming up the train wreck and scrutinizing every call because that’s bad for the NFL’s image, but now they figure it gives everyone a much-loved train wreck to watch which they can start covering up again when the other refs get back. Come to think of it, Americans are so bone stupid it might make them trust in the other refs even more.

            Hmm…..

          • BIKI024

            WHAT GAMES HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING!?!?!?!?!?! sure the “real” refs make mistakes, but this is a freaking JOKE! guys who make their living both playing and analyzing games are up in arms. Why would Troy Aikman go so hard at the Footlocker Refs if he didn’t think they were low grade dog food!?!?!? THEY ARE A JOKE!

          • bupalos

            >>>I’m actually attacking the fact that people think they’re worse than the garbage officiating we’ve been having since forever.>>>

            Bleeland you are flat insane on this. These guys are definitely, objectively, and importantly worse; There you seem to admit that but say they’ll get better, here it’s not worse, just “different”, elsewhere you just seem to deny it altogether and act like it’s a psychological figment.

            These guys are completely inconsistent. Ball placement has been horrible. They’re screwing up the clock. They lose track of all the details. They have completely different ideas (or simply no ideas) about what constitutes illegal contact, holding, PI, and Un-R. They are worlds worse than anything we’ve ever seen from the nfl before.

            As someone who agrees with you about 95% of the time, I’m flabbergasted that you think the owner’s penny-grubbing union-busting here at the expense of the product on the field is just ho-hum, nothing to see, just some psychological skewing error. I just don’t know what you’re watching. Yes, the refs always impact a game. No, they’re never perfect. But the point is you have to be able to somewhat predict and keep that within bounds to make the game credible. Even if these guys weren’t WAY worse, which they are, the Jerry Jones wing should be willing to pony up the pittance we’re talking about even for the PERCEIVED credibility. That they won’t shows you where their head is at.

            This is going to get worse not better, because players can see that given the complete unpredictability of the Ref’s response to what you do, you should pretty much always err towards the dark side.

          • Believelander

            No, it’s not just psychological. They’re sufficiently worse that, in combination with it being a ‘story’ and the psychological factor it’s grabbing all the attention. It’s fascinating, like seeing a car crash in slow motion, from 17 angles.

            And you accentuate my point nicely Bupaloop. You are 100% right that they are “worlds worse than anything we’ve ever seen from the nfl before”. Key word is ‘seen’. They are worse, but not worlds worse, than what has been happening in the NFL since the NFL.

            The biggest negative impact they have on the game is their inconsistency in calling things – which probably has something to do with the entire officiating crews starting their jobs 3 weeks ago. The problem is, the media shitstorm is the biggest problem. Because of the media shitstorm, instead of the comfortable corporate lie we’ve always had shielding the refs, every right call they make has the opposing coach up in arms and foaming at the mouth. The MEDIA hypocrisy pointing out the mistakes they’ve always covered up is validating the constant bullying that the other NFL refs didn’t have to put up with because they had fake credibility. Which is actually making the play calling worse – these guys have the NFL telling them to do one thing, then telling them to fix this, then they have coaches giving them legitimate gripes (instead of the coaches getting a very private letter telling them to STFU and deal), then coaches giving them illegitimate gripes, and the networks doing replay angles on virtually every penalty.

            Now I agree with you that Big Business is being Rederpulous as usual. They’ve got dollaz trippin’ over dimes. The reason their tightwad sphincters are shut tighter than a diamond vault in Antwerp is because every concession they make to Labor gives Labor a chink in the armor to exploit next year or the year after that. Because once Labor gets Big Business to give in, they know they can do it again – and more importantly, HOW to do it again. Or so the theory goes.

            The battle between proletariat and bourgeoisies is fascinating to me because I’ve studied it so extensively. It’s no less fascinating for me here. Meanwhile the NFL games are refreshingly honest in the haphazardness of their outcomes, and the insanity of the records of the 32 NFL teams is the insanity of progress. Let the NFL make themselves look like a total toolface. They worsen the inevitable when they do. Let the Calvin Johnsons of the world get chipped 10 yards down the field, and reciprocate by pushing off for a reception unmolested by yellow flags. It’s reminiscent of football before the ’5-yard chuck’ neutering. Ironically, with the evolution of the size and power of the wide receiver position and the Cover 2 schemes that have adapted to a league where you have to be careful not to breathe on a wideout wrong, the net result has been a truly epic amount of scoring at the season’s open, and really, isn’t high-flying, high scoring what the NFL wants?

            Maybe they can turn this to the better. Maybe they’ve accidentally stumbled on a way to make the game chippier and grittier again while simultaneously increasing scoring, not by changing the rules on pass interference, but just easing back on them.

            Either way, I can’t stop watching this iteration of football.

            Let chaos reign, then reign in chaos.

          • BIKI024

            what do you know about the Jets except the trash that’s put out by the national media anyhow? of course i’m biased towards them since i’ve adopted all NYC teams except the Yankees since i moved here, but there are plenty of stories that don’t get headlines about the selflessness of the players and how hard they fight for their coach and each other, sans Santonio of course, but hopefully he comes around, like the good buckeye that he is capable of being.

            as far as gambling, i was the benefactor last night, was a HUGE swing for me and I’ve been ear-to-ear all day listening/watching everyones take on things.

            but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s bush league and unfair to the players who are busting their tails out there.

          • Believelander

            The national media put out more trash on the Jets’ training camp this season than the other 31 NFL teams entire last 20 years combined. The Jets have good players on their team. I am sure many of them are both good football players at teammates. But then the Jets as a whole are a toxic pile of sludge, made by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

          • BIKI024

            you obviously haven’t been watching the NFL this year.

            yes, the “real” refs also make mistakes, of course, but i mean, ARE YOU BLIND!?!?!!? you must be if you think that the replacement refs were doing as good of a job as the real ones, tons more mistakes all across the board! sure, they can’t help it, they are rookies, blah blah blah, but Goodell better do what’s right and get the real guys back, because it’s a disgrace.

          • Believelander

            “you obviously haven’t been watching the NFL this year”.

            This is as obvious as can be, much like the Jets being a good team-oriented NFL franchise with a good coach, Mike Holmgren doing a good job as long as he’s been here, and the fact that it’s not Pat Shurmur’s fault.

            I have watched more NFL this year than ever before. Once I caught whiff of the replacement ref thing in the preseason, I watched the Giants-Boys opener, every Thursday night game, every Sunday day (obv), every Sunday afternoon, every Sunday night, and every Monday night except last night because of an overnight shift that kept me up from noon Sunday until 4 PM Monday, and I was angry I couldn’t watch Seahawks-Packers. I’ve never ingested this much raw football viewing in my life – I prefer to study the game rather than watch it unless it’s the Browns.

            Lovin’ every minute of it. But then again, I’m wise enough that I never bet money on sports.

        • acto

          “and believe it or not, one sportsbook is not counting this TD and gave the win to GB!”

          Do you believe it Biki? The “Sportsbook” in question would have to spend a fortune on salt miners if they did that.
          The book is based on the official score.

          Would any book have changed the score because of Maradona’s “hand of god” goal?

      • 910Derp

        Good point: I hadn’t considered the scrutiny waiting for the regulars once the lockout ends.

  • nj0

    “…because going young is the best way to build a team. It is the wisest road, assuming the young players have talent. ”

    And Angelina Jolie is the best prom date, assuming she’ll go out with you.

    So if you have a talented roster… you’ll have a talented roster. Got it.

    • acto

      Well put.
      “And Angelina Jolie is the best prom date, assuming she’ll go out with you.”

      I want to make it a double date, Angelina Jolie and Christina Hendricks.

      It could happen….

      About as likely as the Browns making the playoffs, or both of their first round picks being anything but a reach.

  • wiseoldredbeard

    What is with Weeden? This polishing a pile of shit stuff is starting to aggitate me. W/r/t Little — agree that it isn’t the biggest problem. But can’t we all just tone down the showoff crap until we win a game? Either way, to me it is less of a reflection of Little than it is of Shurmur, who clearly has no control of anything, including the rules.

    As I watched the Packers game end last night I was wondering: “what would Shurmur do if they miscalled a touchdown and the Browns lost the game?” All I could imagine was his hands on his head looking confused, then I realized that’s how he always looks.

    • WooMike

      Why should Weeden be anything but comfortable after that tremendous position battle during training camp for the starting QB job? I mean he clearly demonstrated that he was the best.

    • Believelander

      Polishing a pile of shit is a skill refined in the crucible of professional pitching. It’s a skill he can hopefully unlearn because it doesn’t track for NFL quarterbacks.

      • bupalos

        I don’t feel like PatTheBunny is the best person to cure him either.

        • wiseoldredbeard

          Wow, this has the makings of a blingee…

        • Believelander

          Nope, Pat Shurmur polishes shit with the best of them. Maybe better than the best of them.

  • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

    According to Shurmur, The Browns “DO NOT COME OUT FLAT. WE ALWAYS COME READY TO PLAY, WE JUST…DIDN’T PLAY VERY WELL. GOT IT?”

    Whatever. The Browns have been outscored 103-32 in the first quarter under Shurmur, and have headed into the second quarter with a double digit deficit 5 out of 17 games. If that isn’t coming out flat, I really don’t know what is.

    I never thought that the baseball season and football season would end in the same week.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      “I never thought that the baseball season and football season would end in the same week.”

      This would be a lock for Comment of the Year had baseball season not actually ended two months ago.

      • wiseoldredbeard

        Lol. Unless he means the beginning of training camp.

        • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

          Bingo. This season has unfolded as I imagined it would, exactly 2 months ago.

    • nj0

      Not sure where to find it, but have the Shurmur Browns outscored teams in any quarter?

      • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris M

        http://www.pro-football-reference.com has about every stat you’d want to find. I didn’t look up every quarter, just the 1st quarter because it seems they always sleepwalk out of the tunnel.

        Anyhow, in 19 Shurmur-led games, the Browns have scored exactly 2 touchdowns in the first quarter, to go with 6 field goals. Someone get Grossi on the horn to tell us about TD’s and FG’s again.

        • nj0

          I’m too lazy to crunch all the numbers. I was hoping for an easy to access list (aka mooch off other people’s hard work).

        • Chris P.

          The following are sum totals…

          First.. the SHURMURIFFIC
          4Q +4!!!!!!!!!

          Then… SHURMURRIBLE
          OT -3
          2Q -17
          3Q -20

          Then… DUMPSTER FIRE
          1Q -71

          • Hopwin

            No idea why but Shurmurrible made me spit soda pop.

          • nj0

            Wow!

            Thanks for crunching those numbers. They are actually worse than I would have guessed.

      • Chris P.

        Taking into account that I did this by eyeballing boxscores and tallying by hand and it could be off by a bit because of operator error…. I pulled this neat factoid out from pro football reference….

        Since AskPat got the head gig here….

        In Quarters in which the Browns enter into it tied or winning… including the first quarter… they are 11-24-7

        In quarters in which we’re losing… including garbage time when the other teams goal is not to let us score too much… 15-10-10

      • Believelander

        If I didn’t know it to be factually false, I could believe that the answer to an overly literal interpretation of your question (whether the Browns outscored an opponent in any quarter of football under Shurmur) would be ‘no’. They look that dismal except for momentary flashes of non-ignorance.

    • Zulads4

      If this is us ready to play, imagine if we one day come out flat.

      • Believelander

        Come Friday morning, we probably won’t have to imagine anymore.

  • http://twitter.com/DavidAArnott David A. Arnott

    See if you can spot the pattern!

    Greg Little — 15 targets, 7 catches
    Mohammed Massaquoi — 18 targets, 9 catches
    Josh Gordon — 13 targets, 6 catches
    Travis Benjamin — 10 targets, 3 catches

    Ben Watson — 11 targets, 7 catches

    Trent Richardson — 15 targets, 11 catches
    Chris Ogbonnaya — 9 targets, 9 catches

    Methinks there’s an elephant standing nearby…

    And for what it’s worth:

    Antonio Gates — 15 targets, 7 catches
    Jason Witten — 19 targets, 8 catches
    Santonio Holmes — 33 targets, 16 catches
    Brandon Marshall — 31 targets, 16 catches
    DeSean Jackson — 29 targets, 14 catches

    • TWMBrad

      We should convert to the Wing-T and just throw to Ogbonnaya out of the backfield.

      • acto

        I know that you may perhaps be being factitious, but I have been hoping that they move Oogie Boogie to receiver for a long time.
        I saw him play receiver up close and personal, he is a better receiver than a running back.

        • TWMBrad

          Tongue was firmly in cheek, but you have a point. Obi does have good hands…he just needs to not pull the ball on the carpet as in Cincinnati

    • Believelander

      Catches vs. targets is a curiosity. Dropped passes vs targets is still flawed but a better metric. The problem lies in the fact that many targets are not possible to be catches.

  • maxfnmloans

    Dear Sir,

    While I agree with much of what you wrote, I cannot help but wonder where the same level of defense was for a prior Browns receiver, who dropped many (many) passes, but also performed at a level unseen in Cleveland before (starting with Browns 2.0 in ’99) or since.

    I hear ya, Greg Little is at the tail end of a long, long, ridiculously long list of problems with this team. And yes, they are definitely scapegoating him.

    I just wonder why one guy is a sociopath and the other garners your sympathies? Why no list of “NFL drop leaders” (e.g T.O. , Welker, Dwayne Bowe) in 2008? (NOTE: its hard to find an official list, or perhaps I don’t understand the Googles)

    I have newfound respect for many Browns fans this season, as they have given Little the same treatment as receivers past (except Pvt. Winslow, who everyone loved for some reason. I have a theory that had the Buckeyes lost that BCS title to Miami he would not have been so revered).

    So, I don’t understand the inconsistency when judging WR’s. I assume it’s only so you can illustrate how ridiculous Shurmur and the PD are being?

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Good lord, talk about night and day. Braylon wasn’t a sociopath for the drops themselves, he was a sociopath for the things he said about Cleveland and its fans; the way he blamed us on his drops and every other problem in his life; WHILE he was going around wearing diamond encrusted bowties to the ESPY’s; talking to reporters about his “war cologne,” hanging out with the Entourage cast, and breaking into Hollywood; and bugging opposing cornerbacks during games about how to break into the modeling business. Go on through the archives here and you won’t find it written any differently. Also, while it’s a secondary point, Braylon’s drops were about five times as bad (if not five times as frequent) as Little’s.

      Move to strike nonsense re: “inconsistency.”

      • maxfnmloans

        Fair enough. Your thoughts are generally well reasoned and reflect actual critical thinking, so I figured you would have good reason for the difference.

        Although, it can also be argued that a lot of that (especially the comments about the fans and the City itself) came after he had begun to endure more abuse than many (right, wrong or indifferent). Also, he WAS right about LeBron and his entourage, we were all just too blind to accept it at the time, and Braylon was an easy target. But, that’s a chicken/egg debate that ultimately goes no where.

        Again, while I may disagree I respect your opinion as it is obviously the product of a great deal of thought, and not some knee-jerk reaction.

        2 things- why was Winslow so revered when he was even more of an idiot?

        Second, what if Braylon’s personality issues are the result of his masking a very personal secret that could case him great difficulty in an NFL locker room if it were to come out? (there ARE a lot of rumors. None substantiated, and I have no idea) Certainly not an excuse for being such a jackass, but just illustrates that perhaps there could be something going on in the background that we don’t have any clue about. Maybe he wanted to go to a larger city where he could be a bit more anonymous to pursue a lifestyle he was unable to pursue as freely here.

        Judge not, lest ye be judged and all that.

        Anyhow, thanks for responding. Love your work. Thank God Lerner is gone after this season.

        • ClevelandFrowns

          Thanks. In response to your 2 things:

          1. There’s a difference between being an idiot and an asshole. There’s also a rule that says that at any given time a person can get a way with being rude OR stupid, but never really both.

          2. Maybe. I hope he figures it out. He certainly seems to have settled down over the last couple of years, but being cut a few times probably has a lot to do with that.

    • Hopwin

      Braylon was on the wrong-side of Frowns arguments that Lebron wasn’t the biggest toolbag in Cleveland Sports History ™ therefore he is a sociopath ;)

      • ClevelandFrowns

        My god, what if the Browns made it to the playoffs six years in a row and went to the Super Bowl thanks solely to Braylon’s efforts? What if they won even a single playoff game? I don’t even want to know how warped a person’s worldview has to be to think that LeBron did Cleveland worse than Braylon Edwards.

        • humboldt

          If that scenario had played out, vastly more would have been expected of Braylon as it was of Lebron.

          I appreciate your defense of LBJ against the vitriol of the masses, but still contend that it is flawed and overstated. Another debate for another day perhaps?

          • ClevelandFrowns

            Not bloody likely.

          • humboldt

            /challenges Frowns to a duel at high noon

          • Kamov

            “Bloody”? Frowns are you moving to England as well? You’ll have to rename the site “Birmingham Blues” or something and it just won’t have the same ring to it. Please reconsider!

          • acto

            How about a change from Cleveland Frowns to the Aston Vilifiers?

        • Hopwin

          Post was tongue in cheek, but it’s nice to know EXACTLY where your trigger is LOL

          • ClevelandFrowns

            Fair.

          • Art_Brosef

            I assume you’re new here?

        • acto

          More importantly, Lebron James is a terrific player.
          Braylon Edwards is not very good and he will soon be out of the NFL.

  • Jim

    Yeah but if Little would have caught that ball there was a legitimate chance for an 11 point touchdown which would have won the game for the Browns.

  • Bryan

    Haven’t read all the comments yet, so apologies if this is a repeat: BUT, everyone should listen to Shurmur’s presser. He really didn’t say much about Little and certainly never used the phrase “come down hard.” The media (i.e. the PD morons) kept asking him questions about Little. He was clearly annoyed by the line of questioning and eventually just said “we can’t play people who drop footballs.” That was it. Now MKC has turned it into the lead story. Christ. These people are idiots.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Plain and simple, if Shurmur gives the right answer there’s no story at all.

      • bupalos

        Agree. Doesn’t even need to be anything like as eloquent as your version, he can just say “we need to hold onto the ball, just like we need to do a lot of things better.”

        • wiseoldredbeard

          “Like our jobs, which we are no doubt going to lose.”

    • BIKI024

      nah, why blame the media when you can burn Shurmur in the dumpster fire???

  • Hopwin

    Wow Lingerie Football trolls the NFL:

    http://larrybrownsports.com/football/lingerie-league-fires-refs-replacements/155540

    The LFL emailed the following statement to many media outlets including LBS to announce their decision to fire the referees they employ who were serving as replacement referees in the NFL:

    “Because of the LFL’s perception it is that much more critical for us to hire officiating crews that are competent, not only for the credibility of our game but to keep our athletes safer,” commissioner Mitchell Mortaza said in a statement. “Due to several on-field incompetent officiating we chose to part ways with with a couple crews which apparently are now officiating in the NFL. We have a lot of respect for our officials but we felt the officiating was not in line with our expectations.

  • CleveLandThatILove

    Pat got a little squirrelly is all. (or Little squirrelly, your choice).

    • acto

      Very nice CLTIL,
      Pat and The Walrus get a little squirrelly when it comes to that word…. I can not remember it very well, it starts with a W.

  • humboldt

    I thought Grossi’s article on Little actually hit the nail on the head rather than supporting the facile scapegoating storyline from Berea.

    Some players become symbols of their leadership regime — vessels of the ideology that informs putting together a roster. For Mangini/Kokinis(?) it was the 3-headed monster of Veikune/Robiskie/MoMass; for Holmgren/Heckert/Shurmur, Greg Little certainly serves that purpose, although Brandon Weeden also seems to embody a sort of organizational panic. These players disproportionately become a referendum on the guys who picked them.

    Either way, the dumpster fire keeps on burning…speaking of which, can I submit a formal request for a Flying J logo photoshopped onto the side of the dumpster above? Seems the appropriate and honorable thing to do.

    • nj0

      I’m not disagreeing, but why do you say that about Little? Being out of the region I think I sometimes miss the nuance of the ongoing fan narrative.

      I mean, the guy had a pretty good rookie season at a position rookies don’t really flourish at. He was a 2nd rounder too. I’m anti-Shurmur, anti-Holmgren, and Heckert-agnostic, but Little isone of the few guys on the field who showed he can play at this level.

      • humboldt

        I’m not necessarily being critical of Little – I think he’s got loads of NFL-worthy talent, though is not a #1 receiver.

        My point was that he represents the values/ideologies of the Holmgren regime as much as any player on the roster (i.e. belief in the WCO, belief in picking receivers lower in the draft, belief that coaching and the system will enhance a raw player’s skills, etc). His success/failure is sort of a weather vane for the regime.

        • ClevelandFrowns

          I think Weeden is exponentially more what you’re talking about than Little.

          • humboldt

            Both players will be forever linked to the Julio Jones trade (along with Phil Taylor), making it arguably the signature move of the Holmgren regime.

            I agree with Hopwin below that the arrogance and hubris of our “organizational leaders” is more than manifest in its draft picks much less other personnel decisions (i.e. Shurmur). Heckert has somehow escaped most of the wrath – perhaps because he’s hit on a couple picks and Holmgren has been such an outstanding jerk to the public.

            It’s unfortunate someone like Little has to carry the burden of being a symbol of a failing (failed?) ideology, but that’s just the nature of the beast.

          • Believelander

            As long as Brandon Weeden becomes a real NFL starter and Little and Taylor season into veterans of at least the caliber of play they showed during their rookie season (that is to say, better than their rookie season by adding consistency to their playmaking), that trade might go down as one of the blockbusters of the modern era.

            Heck, if Weeds is in the top third of NFL QBs for at least 5 seasons, I don’t care how good Julio Jones is. The wide receiver position, like every other position except 1, contributes to a champion. Only 1 position has the power to make or break a champion.

          • acto

            Is Little a Franchise Receiver?
            Is Weeden a Franchise Quarterback?
            Is Jackson a Franchise Linebacker?
            Is Haden a Franchise DB?
            Is the Walleye basket a Franchise Stadium snack?

          • Believelander

            Walleye basket: yes.
            Haden: Probably.
            Weeden: Maybe. 3 games bro.
            Jackson: Not a hall of famer, but the quarterback every defense needs? Absolutely.
            Little: No, but that’s ok. There’s no greater myth in the NFL than a franchise receiver. Add up Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Steve Smith (CAR), Randy Moss, Vincent Jackson, Brandon Marshall, and Roddy White’s super bowl rings. No, I’m not saying that Greg Little is any of these people. But I’m saying that having one is not a requirement (or the absence of one isn’t even a detriment) to a Super Bowl contender.

            Plus he run blocks. Oh boy does he run block.

        • nj0

          Eh, at least he has talent. If I had to choose a rep it’d be Hardesty. Trade up for an injury prone player when you’ve got a lot of other holes.

          • Hopwin

            I think the albatross trio for this organization is Hardesty (get the guy with the history of injuries); Little (get the guy who played maybe one full season at the position in college before being sidelined for a year with injuries/rule violations) and Marecic (replace a talented guy by taking a flier on some nobody). All three point to the arrogance of Holmgren/Heckert/Shurmur believing they are the smartest guys in the history of guys being smart.

          • nj0

            Good call on Marecic.

            I’ll defend Little because he has produced, unlike Hardesty or Marecic orVeikune or Robiskie or even MoMass.

            Again, this is why I don’t get the dislike for the guy. I love to hate on this regime as much as anybody, but 61 receptions for a rookie is pretty darned good, regardless of what his CFB career looked like.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            61 receptions from Chips McCoy, no less. In the Shurmurball attack. I’m ready to put this guy into the Hall of Fame.

          • Believelander

            While so many people are ready to proclaim Lawrence Vickers “wasn’t that good”, he was an exceptional blocker in both phases. The truth is, the modern NFL demands a fullback who can catch, essentially a tight end who’s too short to play tight end, and Vickers can’t catch at an NFL level. But the guy wasn’t demanding brid and he did everything you asked him to as best as he could, but in a 2010 when they wanted to run the ball a lot a la Holmgren’s Seattle version of the West Coast, they released him for a rookie who catches worse than Vickers and can’t block.

            I actually liked Marecic as a draft pick, but not to replace Lawrence Vickers right away – draft him, depth chart him, put him on special teams -he played linebacker. Which means he can probably go both ways very well on special teams. Maybe he develops at the fullback position, maybe not, it’s not a big deal if he doesn’t.

            But so far that’s all they’ve really done with him, special teams. And the problem is, maybe he’ll be good this year or next or the year after, but right now he sucks and we have no lead blocker who can make Jamal Lewis, Jerome Harrison, or Peyton Hillis look like some kind of freak show.

            Oh, Hardesty’s knees. LOL. Furthermore, Trent Richardson’s knees. …..NOT LOL.

            So I sort of agree with your overarching point that H+H seem to try to win the trickeration battle by drafting ‘flawed’ guys with piles of potential instead of drafting who they think is going to be an NFL player. I sincerely hope they turn out to be right on all of the trickerations of theirs that haven’t already busted.

          • wiseoldredbeard

            Speaking of Chips, I was at this bar in DC last year for the thursday P-Burgh game and this drunk old lady decided she wanted to be a Browns fan, and we took her in. Anyway, like any new Browns fan she went from optimism, to joy, to depression, at which point she started calling Colt “My Little Pony.” I never heard a better nickname. Likeable. Soft fur. Can’t throw a sideline pass.

          • nj0

            Awww!

    • ClevelandFrowns

      You’re jumping the gun on me. I’ve been figuring that the only thing that will be left to do at this website after the Giants game is a dumpster fire photoshop contest.

  • bobby_slick

    Well, mr frowns does my job this week for me…gotta take Ravens -13 against the powerhouse that is the Cleveland Browns. Offense crossing the opposing 44 twice, 6 three and outs, missing on every throw over 15 yards, throwing balls that have no chance of any YAC… Stop me anytime. Throw in the fact that the Ravens look awesome. Rice is killing it, Flacco out to prove he is an elite QB… The browns get smoked in this game. I can’t wait to see what Mr. Reed does with weeden eyeballing his wideouts all day. I hope no one gets hurt Thursday night…

    • Petefranklin

      Browns ATS record is good on the road and horrible at CBS.

      • Believelander

        Likely because of the 3-6 point shift for home field advantage. The Browns suck everywhere, so they need every point they can get to cover a spread, hence better on the road.

  • TWMBrad

    Any response other than “the Browns suck in all three phases of the game and need better players and coaches” is “feckless and obfuscatory.” So I don’t come down too hard on MKC or Shurmer for picking on the showboater Straight Up G-Little. They need to come up with something other than an all-out admission that this ship is sinking.

  • CLEinMPLS

    Good article. Lord this team is depressing.

  • Beeej

    In case the Browns are making you depressed enough. Here are the stats leaders for the Tribe: Wahoo Baseball

    AVG Michael Brantley .286
    HR Carlos Santana 18
    RBI Carlos Santana 75
    R Shin-Soo Choo 83
    SB Jason Kipnis 28
    W Justin Masterson 11
    SV Chris Pérez 36
    IP Justin Masterson 195.2
    ERA Justin Masterson 4.97

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Holy shit.

      • Beeej

        Yep. Nobody even sniffing 300. No one with over 20 HRs. No one even close to 100 RBIs. 28 stolen bases? Not bad. AND our “BEST” pitcher will finish the season with 11 wins and a near 5 ERA. WAHOO!!!

        • Believelander

          The lovely thing about being a Cleveland sports fan is that by the time one sport is done tormenting your soul, their season dead and buried, the next one’s preseason is starting. This repeated process of galvanizing, as a piece of steel being forged into a blade, leads Cleveland sports fan to wielding souls of incredible sharpness and resiliency.

          • acto

            In reply to an earlier post that I could not reply to….

            Believe,
            “Only 1 position has the power to make or break a champion.”

            You are exactly correct, we shall see how the J-E-T-S do this year without Revis Island.
            Cover Corner is the only position to make or break a champion.

          • Believelander

            Er, I’m pretty sure that’s not the one, HOWEVER the Jets don’t have a player at the 1 position who can make or break a champion, so they need lots of good contributors at other positions. So yes, this is a major shot in the foot for them.

    • Jim

      Speaking of dumpster fires, these would be considered average numbers in the 1970′s.

      The Indians are in serious trouble, now and in the near future. Short of becoming major players in free agency, the issues with the Indians can only be addressed through a major rebuild. That should go over well with a fanbase who responds to any move made by the Indians with over-the-top hysterics concerning the cheapness of the owners.

      • NeedsFoodBadly

        “the issues with the Indians can only be addressed through a major rebuild.”

        Ridiculous. The more likely solution is intimated in your opening sentence. The Dolans need to invest in a time machine.

        I think the going rate for a DeLorean is much cheaper than a functional left fielder anyways.

  • TWMBrad

    Speaking of organizational panic, Josh Gordon is fighting hard to wrestle that crown away from Weeden.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Good point. Forgot that he was on the team.

    • BIKI024

      yeah but, we all know a lot of people around here feel strongly about how receivers deserve 2-3 years to develop, especially in Cleveland.. #Robiskie/MoMass

      • TWMBrad

        FWIW, I am not a Robiskie or MoMass apologist. Both, in hindsight, were unworthy of a 2nd round pick. Still, I’m not overly critical of the Robiskie pick since he seemed to have the frame, work ethic, and credentials to fill out into a solid #2 next to Braylon. It was a miss. MoMass was a 3rd or 4th rounder at best. Veikune should have been an UFA. Gordon is similar to MoMass, and most definitely not worth playing with next years borrowed money to obtain.

        • BIKI024

          13 games to go, i think it’s way too early to label Gordon anything but a work in progress, which everyone knew he was going to be. He made a couple good grabs on Sunday, so that’s a start, but I think if by the last quarter of the season we’re seeing some progression from him, we could be in good shape with the group heading into next year, particularly if TB continues to play like he did on Sunday (albeit he too had a YUGE drop as well) and Little picks it up..

          • wiseoldredbeard

            Work in progress. 13 games to go. Flash. Battle. Progression. Compete. Next year. Unicorns wth smily faces for butts.

            There is a point where optimism becomes fantasy, and I think we’re there.

          • BIKI024

            yes because it’s unfathomable for a rookie to improve, UNFATHOMABLE! good grief

          • wiseoldredbeard

            No, it is unfathomable how I have continued (and likely will continue) to eat the exact same shit sandwich for 12 years, and still think it might, just might, taste like a buffalo chicken wrap. It looks like shit. It smells like shit. But maybe there’s some blue cheese in there?!?

          • Chris P.

            that’s corn.

          • Believelander

            @Biki:

            INCONCEIVABLE!

          • TWMBrad

            I’ll ride your slaw patch for now…after all, it was only last Monday that the glass was half-full and, hell, if we could get wins at home against Buffalo and suprise Baltimore, we would be 2-2, trending upwards, etc., etc. We can still suprise Baltimore and have 10 days to get ready for NYG, etc., etc…. But if my hopes get crushed (again) under the weight of 0-6, the Browns will be entering a land of Tribe-like indifference.

          • ClevelandFrowns
          • Believelander

            Uh, thanks for that 1×1 pixel photograph, Frownie. Capital stuff, chum! LoL you maybe wants to check that link. Unless stark whiteness is supposed to surprise Baltimore. We do have it in spades between Chips McCoy and Brandon Magnum.

          • TWMBrad

            I’ve been Hermione’d?

        • Believelander

          Respectfully, I must object. Saying that Josh Gordon definitively wasn’t worth a draft pick is more premature than me on my last date. You and the frothers calling Weeden a bust and yelling for Chips McCoy to start (I’m looking at you, Chips McBooms @92.3 The Fan) need to go sit in commenting time out and drink something vitamin enriched to work off that Awful Football Hangover, eat a Snickers, or something, because when I agree with Biki it’s usually an indicator that the opposition is speaking incomprehensible madness. Also, agreeing with Biki makes me cranky.

          • TWMBrad

            I’m saying, admittedly with some hindsight, that he wasn’t worth a 2nd rounder (which given the Browns state of affairs was going to be fairly high). Fourth? No problem. Third? Not sure. But not a 2. He should, however, most assuredly be on the field splitting time with TB so one or both has a chance to develop. The alternative is suck-tacular.

          • Believelander

            Again, come at me in 4 years and tell me he wasn’t worth a second round draft pick. Mark Sanchez has mostly been a steamy pile for 4 seasons with just enough ‘flashes’ and ‘stuff’ to give Pat Shurmur a hard on, but I don’t label him a bust yet.

  • Believelander

    A point of contention with your article header: Greg Little is a problem for the Cleveland Browns right now. His pass-dropping issue is a problem for the Browns’ offense as he is supposed to be one of our primary generators of offense. Instead he is getting targets that could have gone to someone who might have caught the ball, and dropping the passes.

    However, overall I agree thoroughly with your header that he is not THE problem. His pose thing is getting a lot of run, and in a sense it is a good thing, because some people in the media are taking the criticism of him, and extrapolating and asking some smart questions.

    If Greg Little was immature in college, got drafted by a Browns team that knew what they were getting, then came in to the Browns and acted a fool as a rookie, and now he’s acting like a dope and he’s a second year player, is the problem just Greg Little?

    • Chris P.

      That is to say, when your dumpster is a raging inferno, the composition of the refuse is only tangentially relevant.

    • reggiebuckeye

      Of course?

      Who else in the front office wants to admit it may not have been a good idea to take another flyer on another player no one was going to draft as high as we did? These guys are experts. They know what they are doing. They are so smart, they outsmart themselves.

      /Sarcasm off/

      I’m tired of this coach blaming his players for his inability to gameplan or prep.

      • Believelander

        Honestly, the dropsies, like fumbleitis, is a curable disease. Greg Little’s antics aren’t bad because they’re antics, it’s because they’re tone-deaf. They come off the wrong way. It’s a maturity thing. It’s indicative of the leadership he’s been forced to suffer under. Greg Little is a well-spoken and generally nice person (from what I’ve heard). I actually like his antics – he’s excited to be a football player. But you gotta know where and when.

        So with all that said, the same Little psyche that leads to him chucking a ball into the Dawg Pound for a 15 yard penalty is the same property that leads to a guy who was TOTALLY not NFL ready yet managed to emerge as the best option of all the TE/WR/RBs during a rookie campaign after missing a year of football after playing 1 year after getting converted from another position, all with no training camp. Aside from Greg Little’s talent and Greg Little himself, nobody was more disadvantaged to be a breakout receiver coming into training camp 2010. But he managed to lead the team in catches, yards, and TDs. Because he’s talented, but also because he works hard. He’s just gotta work harder than some to compensate for his perhaps less than savant propensity for catching the ball.

        I like the fact that he leaves it all out there, I don’t like the fact that he doesn’t have guides to show him how is and isn’t appropriate to do so. I like that his comments yesterday indicate (and hopefully his actions follow) that he’s learning on his own. I love the fact that he’s a savage run blocker and doesn’t take plays off like SO MANY wide receivers in the league do when they know it’s not their time to have the camera pointed at them. Maybe being a converted running back gives the guy the mentality to want to clear the way for any teammates who have to go through that brutal meat grinder.

        Any way, until Josh Gordon, Jordan Cameron, or T-Rich start to demonstrate consistent production, he and Cribbs are still our two guys with proven ‘weapon’ ability.

        Also, I agree. I am REALLY tired of the coach blaming the players. Real coaches don’t do that. They throw themselves under the bus and not their men. And their men respect them for it.

        “Were they ready (read: did I do my job preparing them?) Absolutely. Did they execute efficiently? (read: did they do what I told them to do?) Absolutely not.”

        The reason you don’t say stuff like this – quotes from those who look to you as an example:

        “If you take away that last throw, I thought I had a solid day.”

        Ugh. Don’t get your presser/leadership tips from Pat Shurmur, kid.

        For what it’s worth, I hear Pat Shurmur is a really nice guy. Sadly, he doesn’t seem to be getting good advice on how to be good at what he does from his mentors either.

        • bupalos

          >>>lso, I agree. I am REALLY tired of the coach blaming the players. Real coaches don’t do that. They throw themselves under the bus and not their men. And their men respect them for it.

          “Were they ready (read: did I do my job preparing them?) Absolutely. Did they execute efficiently? (read: did they do what I told them to do?) Absolutely not.”>>>

          Couldn’t agree more with this.

          • BIKI024

            “real coaches don’t do that” like who? Tom Coughlin? he rips on his players all the time if they don’t execute. he’s just a 2 time SB champ, ho hum.

  • jimkanicki

    phone only today but needed to get in: masterpiece. succinct clever logical. orson welles clap.

    • acto

      Spoiler alert.
      It was the sled.

  • Believelander

    Can I just say, Frownie, that I think Brandon Weeden is doing just fine (on the field)? That is to say, while I’m sure it’d be wonderful for him to be doing better, every rookie progresses differently and while we don’t have a lot of time for him to do so due to his age, we have time. I agree fully that the maturity everyone talked about maybe not showing so much with the silliness of those comments. If that stops next time he has a rookie-ish, mediocre day, I’ll give Pat Shurmur a Fonzy Cool Point.

    • Bryan

      Agree. It seems like I am the only one, but Weeden looks good to me. I am serious. I think by season’s end everyone will agree he is legit QB for the future. He won’t be elite by then, but it will be clear that he is worth developing and that he has promise.

      • BIKI024

        Come on bro, u know Superfan loves da Weeden!

      • bupalos

        Watching most of the game again…I kind of agree…I was more encouraged by this sunday than last actually. There’s still the weird misses, but he’s looking a little less skurred.

        • Bryan

          Yeah. He had a couple huge misses. But I feel like he will figure that out. He just needs to relax, gain confidence, etc. He can make those throws and will in due time.

          The thing that I like is how much more quickly he is making reads. Each week he is better. He may still make some mis-reads, but he is clearly progressing on the mental side. The physical side is all good. I like the dude.

  • Believelander

    I was going back through comments looking for something and just saw this reply to my comment from Sunday. So here I am wandering in a message board fugue state (seriously, go read the 500 word ramble I went on) in the wake of us getting impregnated by the Bills, when as usual, PML swooped in with a reply to save the day:

    Believelander – I just found out that Colt McCoy was born in New Mexico. I don’t even know what to think anymore.

    PML reply – I was in New Mexico last week – lots of barren wasteland and green chiles and not much else. Seriously, it was like Western PA with a lot of Mexicanos – which is undoubtedly a much better alternative to the actual Western PA. Where was I going with this? Oh yeah – Shurmie should fire himself.

    —————————-

    Diet Dr Pepper stings more like regular Dr Pepper when it shoots out of your nose. And just think crew, after Thursday’s reenactment of General Custer’s Last Alamo, we’re going to have gems like this x100000000.

  • GrandRapidsRustlers

    If the Browns decide to not take the field on Thursday or they decide to perform nothing but kneel downs this will help the first quarter numbers for Shurmur.

    I don’t believe that the players actually care enough to take any kind of real action but it’s sad when you look at it and realize it is an improvement for your favorite team.

    http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/09/25/lang-says-players-could-take-action-if-nfl-refs-issue-continues/

  • GrandRapidsRustlers

    For the record I have Greg Little being the problem with the Browns right between Josh Cribbs spelling on Twitter and motivational speeches by Chipper Jones on audio for Coach Pat.

    Embrace the dumpster fire.

    If Jimmy shows up after he takes ownership with an actual fire extinguisher he becomes my favorite owner ever.

  • ChuckKoz

    awesome article frowns. just awesome. along with that sad feeling when you point out the depth of how terrible condition the current team is in.

  • Don

    I think looking at total drops could skew results. Good players get more targets and have more opportunity to have drops.
    Better way to look at it would be drops per number of targets or drop/catch ratio as this would be a better view of how important the number of drops is. If Victor Cruz has been targeted 50 times and has 4 drops that would be better than if Little has been targeted 10 times and has 2 drops.

    As for the histrionics- all these guys look ridiculous dancing or gyrating after the smallest accomplishments. Posing after getting a first down is like me screaming while flexing after taking out the trash.

    • Beeej

      Thanks. I now know what I will be doing after I take the garbage out this Monday and every garbage day afterward.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-White/100000446546049 Steve White

    The military has a motto: “praise in public, criticize in private.” Military leaders understand that you don’t motivate soldiers long-term by chewing their asses out repeatedly in public.

    And you certainly don’t motivate anyone, soldier or player, by blaming them for doing dumb things while you yourself are doing dumber things.

    This is the kind of nonsense that persuades Greg Little to go free agent first chance he gets.

  • The voice of reason…

    I’m not a Shurmur fan at all, but Mary Kay made that crap up as she went along. I watched the press conference and read the transcript. Shurmur didn’t say a bad word about Little. On the contrary, he spoke highly of his character, work ethic, and potential as receiver. He even stuck up for Little directly in response to a reporter’s repeated referral to all of Little’s “drops.” He replied with “How many did he drop? He dropped a pass?”

    I’ve got as many complaints about Shurmur as anybody, but that’s just not the way it went down. The press came for Little’s head and Shurmur did not oblige them by bringing it out on a platter.

    He sent them away empty handed so Mary Kay, fiending for drama went back to her office, picked quotes out of the middle of paragraphs and replanted them in fabricated contexts of her own devising. The direct quote about not playing “a guy who drops footballs” was deliberately misconstrued to make it seem like it was a volunteered statement and a direct reference to Little. It was not. He didn’t issue any warnings , send any messages, or come down hard on Little, and he didn’t say anything at all about considering benching him.

    Or if he did, it must have been in the special super secret press conference that only Mary Kay is invited to…

  • The voice of reason…

    Thank you Cleveland Frowns, for not being afraid of tripping the independent thought alarm. The PD’s version of events, with its lack of any semblance of adhering to reality was wearing me down to the point that I had and I was beginning to question my own sanity.

    I’m really not a fan of Shurmur at all, but I’m angrier with the Cleveland media for engaging in what appears to be a concerted effort to mislead the public. I can only imagine what the reasoning behind it may be but I’m not sure at all that Shurmur has anything to do with the propaganda campaign.

    Anyway, this i how the conversation about Little really went down. Note the effect of context on the quotes little miss Mary Kay extracted and twisted for her own purposes… she really is a drama queen.

    (On what is preventing Greg Little from being productive)-

    “Greg is working extremely hard. Greg is extremely tough. Greg has got to be more consistent catching the football. That’s it.”

    (On if Greg Little’s “posing” is wearing on him like it is wearing on everyone else)-

    “Well, I can’t speak for everyone else, but I’ve had my conversations with him about that. That can be said. Now, whether people see me ranting and raving on the sidelines at a player, trust me I have my conversations with him.”

    (On if his conversations with Little took place before or after the Buffalo game)-

    “All along I’ve had my conversations with him about all issues.”

    (On if he thinks Little is dedicated enough to being a good pro)-

    “I do, he works hard.”

    (On if drops were an issue with Little in college)-

    “We didn’t see it. All receivers in college, nobody catches every single ball that’s been thrown to him and as we know he didn’t play as a senior.”

    (On what you do when guy like Little is dropping the ball)-

    “We’ve been working with him consistently – last year when we got him, through the offseason, through the preseason and of course each week. When he goes out in the game, he’s got to catch the football. We have all the drills we do, we have a long list of things that we practice and we need to get better results. That’s the reality of it.”

    (On if he would consider benching Little)-

    “We’re going to try to get the best combination of guys on the field at all positions. We can’t play a guy that’s going to drop footballs, but I will say this, we have a young roster with young players and that’s the reality of it too. We need to work with them and inspire them to play better. Now, am I dealing with that and are we working with that as we go along? Absolutely, but that’s not an excuse, that’s the reality so we all need to do better.”

    Eventually, the press moved on to another line of questioning. Apparently unsatisfied with Shurmur’s refusal to point the finger at Little, the following questions were asked some time later, near the end of the press conference.

    (On if he talked to Greg Little about his dropped passes yesterday)-

    “How many did he drop? He dropped a pass.”

    (On what the next step is after talking to a player like Little)-

    “We’ll see, but I think the false interpretation of all of this is he’s not being worked with. Trust me, he’s being worked with.”

    End of discussion on Greg Little. A few hours later, Mary Kay posted her story. The saddest part about all of this is that the misinformation is working. The PD poll asking fans what they thought the biggest reason for the Browns loss to the Eagles came back with the vast majority of fans saying Weeden’s interceptions. The poll asking the same question about the loss to the Ravens came back with fans overwhelmingly responding that dropped passes were the key to losing the game.

  • notbynersfault

    On air with Bruce…NICE

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