X’s and O’s with the Bros — Stretch, pitch, and catch against the Bengals

by Cleveland Frowns on September 19, 2012

Welcome to the latest edition of Xs and Os with the Bros by Xs and Os editor @rodofdisaster. This feature represents a basic attempt to dive deeper into the game of football, learn something about the X’s and O’s that make it go, and better appreciate the games within the game. It’s called Xs and Os with the Bros because you don’t have to be a player, coach, or rocket surgeon to get something out of taking a closer look at a football play, so please enjoy the post and the discussion in the comments.

This week Rod focuses on Brandon Weeden’s touchdown pass to Greg Little that pulled the Browns within a touchdown in the fourth quarter last Sunday in Cincinnati.

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Situation: 4th quarter, 7:18 left;
Score: 31-17 Bengals
Down & Distance: 1st & 10, Cincinnati 24

Presnap Read:

The Browns come out in “11 personnel” (1RB, 1TE, 3WR). The initial formation is a pistol* with Richardson to Weeden’s right. The formation has a bunch to the right. Ben Watson (Y) shifts to a fullback position. Little is in the slot. MoMass is the Z. The X on the other side of the formation is Gordon.

The Bengals counter with nickel personnel. There are two deep safeties. They could be playing any one of a number of coverages here but at this point, the middle of the field (between the safeties) looks to be open. The Bengals are trying to disguise their defense by aligning on each eligible receiver as if to be playing soft man but the corner at the bottom of the screen is showing zone (butt to sideline).

This scenario illustrates some of the chess match that goes on every Sunday. The Browns start in a bunch in an attempt to get the defense to declare their strength. If the defense is playing man-to-man they have to at least get in position to do so since the offense is unbalanced. If they don’t realign, then there is a numbers advantage favoring the Browns. The Browns then shift Watson into the formation which does two things. First, it creates at least the threat of a run with him as a blocker. Secondly, if this is man-to-man coverage then a defender should follow which will give Weeden a little more information. No one moved with Watson here (although he didn’t move that far) so that might suggest zone. The more information the quarterback can get presnap, the better.

*The difference between the pistol and the shotgun is depth of the QB. In the shotgun, he is 5-7 yards behind the center. In the pistol, he is about 3-4 yards. The pistol allows for easier run plays without sacrificing the quick ability to throw as in the shotgun.

The Pocket:

Here we see a decent pocket forming. Weeden is not under immediate pressure. Watson and Richardson are going up the middle and holding the two linebackers from dropping off into deeper zones. I would point out that Schwartz is doing much better than I would have expected St. Clair or Pashos to have done. Lauvao looks to have a nice block at the start but is eventually pushed all the way back into Weeden. This ends up being important because it didn’t allow Weeden a full follow through and the QB is lucky he didn’t bust his hand on Lauvao’s helmet.

The Break:

In the top panel, we see the pass patterns as they’ve developed. The defense is in a 2 deep zone which means two safeties are covering ½ of the field deep and five defenders have the shallow zones. Pointing out a couple of things:

1. Watson and TRich have held the linebackers in the shallow middle of the field.

2. Massaquoi has run a fade route (deep). The CB has “sunk” to the deep part of the field and the safety has come over. This has opened up a huge space behind the linebackers and over the deep middle. The safety on this side, Reggie Nelson, can’t cover both Little over the middle and help on MoMass down the sideline. Forced to choose by the “horizontal stretch” created by the pattern, he’s overcommitted to Massaquoi here. Had he stayed more honest, the throw would be either to MoMass or a checkdown to Richardson running open in the flat (similar to his receiving TD).

3. In the lower panel you see Little get past the underneath defender and has his head turned ready for the ball on his break. The upper panel shows us that the ball is ALREADY in the air. That’s key. The play doesn’t work if the ball isn’t out on time. Lastly, I’ll point out that the weakside safety (Jeromy Miles) is looking for the ball and cheating back over.

The Catch:

First, while Little has a lot of room to work with here, the safety Miles does have an angle on him and the ball.

But as Little makes the catch on the right hash and we see that Miles took himself out of the play in bizarre fashion having run behind Little. He neither played the ball nor the man properly. The square shows the strongside safety (Nelson) trying to recover as that was his zone that was compromised. The arrow shows the back judge who is the only one remotely in position to tackle Little. Touchdown!

Analysis:

This was a well designed play that created both horizontal and vertical stretch and was likely to work one way or another, either with a deep open man, or a checkdown to Richardson with room. Though if I were a Bengals fan, I would be worried because it’s clear that the communication and execution in the secondary is very poor. Nelson was the one in best position to make that play but he was nowhere near where he needed to be. When faced with the choice, it would have made more sense to give up the more difficult throw to MoMass; not the easy one to Little. And Miles either needs his depth perception tested or is just woefully inept at playing the ball. He showed no sign that he knew that Little was streaking towards him wide open, or even that the ball was in the air.

I was a little surprised by this play in the sense that the Bengals had been playing mostly man-to-man up until this point of the drive. Perhaps they were switching it up because they’d been gashed or maybe it’s just what they do inside their own 30.

Last year, we talked about Cover-2 man, and this play is a good illustration the differences between that and cover-2 zone. The zone version is good for run support and for the shallow passing game. The weaknesses are in the deep middle and in the seams between the shallow and deep outer zones.

The Browns also employed a type of “bunch” formation where they grouped three receivers together (before Watson shifted). This is to help bring numbers to the point of attack and to force the defense to commit to a coverage. It’s good against man and zone defenses although the problems it poses for each are a little different. (More info here).

The bunch formation provides several advantages for the offense. First, it quickly deploys multiple receivers into a given area of the defense. Flooding a zone quickly can cause confusion for the secondary. Second, it creates mismatches if defenses switch assignments. Also, by using compressed formations like bunch, the offense expands the field and thus creates additional space for the defense to cover. Perhaps the most well known advantage of the bunch set is the natural rubs or picks that are created.

Defending the bunch is challenging, especially if the receivers run their routes correctly. In man coverage, typically you’ll have one defender jam the lead man in the bunch to disrupt him. Other defenders should be off of the line to avoid being “picked.” In zone coverage, the defense is vulnerable to “flooding” the zone. More strategy can be found in a nice short segment here.

In sum, even the most pessimistic Browns fan should be encouraged by a play like this, as much as the Bengals could have played it better (and as wearisome as it gets to keep trying to find the positives in yet another loss). Plays like this simply show an improved offense. Brandon Weeden made an NFL caliber throw and Greg Little caught a meaningful pass when the Browns needed it, on a well designed play that tied the defense in knots. We can at least hope that some of the pieces are coming together here. Could MoMass is coming into his own as an NFL receiver? Could Richardson and Schwartz be making things easier on the QB? It’s been pointed out before that this team could show improvement in 2012 yet not win as many games. Then again, winning games you’re not supposed to is how this sort of thing gets started.

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The full “Xs and Os with the Bros” archive is available here.

  • technivore

    Great stuff as always, Rod o’. I remember watching the slow-mo replay of this play and being dumbfounded by the safety (Miles, I guess). It’s hard to convey in just the screen caps above, but he ran himself out of the play in an almost comical fashion. Even if he had made a play on Little though, assuming Little hangs on to the ball it would have been a really nice play leading to first and goal.

    • actovegin1armstrong

      techni,
      Miles did not make a good recovery when he saw the problem, but it really looked to me that he was surprised that Nelson made the wrong read.
      Miles did not expect to be chasing down someone else’s responsibility.

      Rod’o,
      “but the corner at the bottom of the screen is showing zone (butt to sideline).”
      I love that you pointed that out.
      Why do some guys on the important side of the ball give away their coverage?

      I played against a terrific quarterback who most assuredly corrected his error as he moved up to bigger and better things, but he would keep his left foot about 6 inches back on run plays and his right foot back on pass plays. I did not even tell my teammates, because they would have ruined it by yelling the play on every down.
      I am certainly not a football expert Rod’o, but I would assume that this is what position coaches are for, so why do we still see blatant give always at the highest level every weekend?

      I remember watching Marino in a game against the Broncos back in the day and being able to pick the play just from his body language.

      How do they correct these things?

  • Bryan

    Good stuff Rod.

    I am curious what your overall impression of Weeden was this week. I loved what I saw and am surprised how lukewarm the fan reaction is. The dude completed over 70% of his passes for over 300 yards, 2 TDs, no TOs, on the road. It seems like all of the fans were was so shaken by his first performance that they are hesitant to get excited by this one. What are your thoughts? Should we be excited? Or did he get a bit lucky against a banged up Cinci D? At the very least, from what I saw, his arm strength is a threat to the D which seems to be opening up running room as well as passes underneath.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      I don’t think Weeden has shown enough with his arm yet to be perceived as a threat by opposing defenses. I think it’s more that having Richardson to account for on the checkdown helps open things up downfield.

      Would also add that the Bengals secondary (especially without Kirkpatrick playing) is probably one of the worst in the league, and they missed Howard badly as well. The Bills will be a tougher test.

      • BIKI024

        “Bengals secondary is probably one of the worst in the league”

        they certainly aren’t off to a good start statistically, but they have a lot of talent back there as well as top-notch coaching. of course losing Kirpatrick hurt their depth, but they still have 3 former pro bowlers playing DB: Hall (and we know how much you love to talk about Leon Hall around here), Newman, and Shaker’s finest: Nate Clements. They have 1st and 2nd round talent at the Safety positions as well. not to mention the schemes of one of the top DC’s in the league: Mike Zimmer

        • ClevelandFrowns

          Good lord, they couldn’t run Newman out of Dallas fast enough and he doesn’t even start for them. Clements is in his 13th year and should be playing safety, but the Bengals don’t have anybody else which leaves us with Reggie Nelson/J. Miles combo deep. This secondary is bad, real bad until Kirkpatrick becomes a player.

          • BIKI024

            they couldn’t run him out fast enough? lol, if he was so bad why would his former DC in Dallas bring him to Cinci??

            so the schemes count for nothing? Zimmer’s pass defense has ranked in Top 10 in 2 of last 3 seasons. (ranked 14th in the 3rd). also, don’t forget about Taylor Mays..

            if i had a dollar for everytime you’ve referenced Leon Hall on this site…

          • ClevelandFrowns

            LOL yes don’t forget about Taylor Mays who was bounced out of San Francisco after one season and got pulled in the first quarter of last week’s game (for J. Miles!) because he was playing so badly.

          • dubbythe1

            >>they couldn’t run him out fast enough? lol, if he was so bad why would his former DC in Dallas bring him to Cinci?? <<

            Because that is what coaches do in a nepotism-driven league. Mangini did it, Ryan did/does it, Crennell does it….

          • BIKI024

            @dubbythe1 – yes, they bring in guys who they like and are familiar with the schemes, etc. not scrubs who got run out of town.

          • bupalos

            >>>Because that is what coaches do in a nepotism-driven league>>>

            That part isn’t nepotism Dub, it’s a shortcut they take to bring in work they’ve already done previously with those players. In academia it’s called “mileage.”

          • CLEVTA

            It’s a well known fact that Dallas hated Newman and ran him out of town. He was bad the last few years. Hence Morris Claiborne and Brandon Carr. Damn took Kent +3.5 personally and posted on twitter but completely forgot to post it here. Oh well.

          • BIKI024

            @CLEVTA, re: Newman, yes, the Cowboys decided to upgrade from their former 5th overall pick for the Cowboys all the way back in 03. but it’s not like he got “run out of town” and was “hated. the fact of the matter is, his former coach brought him over to Cinci, if he was that god awful, then he wouldn’t have done so. he knows Zimmer’s scheme and Zimmer obviously trusts him otherwise he wouldn’t have brought him in.

            re: MACtion, Kent read, Kent write, KENT STATE!

          • CLEVTA

            @Biki- not sure why you keep bringing up Zimmer. He coached Dallas back in 2006. Not sure it’s that relevant 6 years later to bring in Newman. Maybe they just wanted depth and that’s the best they can do. Either way that defense has allowed >7 yds/play so far which is dead last in the NFL. Lets see Weeden play well vs more competent defenses.

          • BIKI024

            @CLEVTA – it’s very relevant about Zimmer, he coached him Newman for 4 years, including Newman’s Pro Bowl year. I highly doubt they would’ve brought him in if it weren’t for that connection.

            yes, their stats are terrible through 2, we’ll see how they do throughout the rest of the year, but their schemes are solid as they have been in the Top 14 in the league the past 3 years, #6 and #8 in the other 2, so Zimmer knows his stuff. and I never annointed Weeden, just don’t think the Bengals secondary “is one of the worst in the NFL”

          • BIKI024

            yeah, maybe Mays was a bad example, but still, you tend to exaggerate when it comes to making any point whatsoever to demean any sort of success by the Browns.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            I’m sure it seems that way to you, Superfan. I think everywhere else, the Bengals secondary is widely known as a bad one.

          • BIKI024

            LOL, ok mr. expert talent/scheme evaluator, who do you think you are Rodofdisaster??

        • The Cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugs

          Any time you’re missing one of your starters, miscommunication is going to happen because the backup isn’t getting the reps the starter would.

          That being said, I think Wedden should still be graded out as “To Be Continued…” liked what I saw, but if I’m not going to run Colt McCoy out of town after his first half of a season, or if I’m going to be upset Mangini was not given enough time to develop his team, then I can’t rush to erecting a statue to Weeden.

          Might go buy his jersey… but that’s only because all the white duct tape from my Quinn-converted-into-Hills jersey is falling off

          • BIKI024

            on of their starters in the secondary? who? Kirkpatrick barely played in the preseason.

            sure the loss of Jonathan Joseph via FA was huge, but they’ve had the entire offseason to adjust to his loss and never had Kirkpatrick in there to take away any reps from all the other Vets they have in the DB room.

      • Cranky M

        It’s at least enough of a threat that they have to account for the deep pass, and leave some of the shorter routes open. When McCoy was in, they didn’t have to account for the deep pass at all. They just jumped the short routes and dared him to beat them deep. Which, of course, he was entirely incapable of doing.

        • Bryan

          Thank you. This was my point. I did not mean to imply Weeden is now “the answer.” He needs more games like the Cinci game to prove his worth. But his arm strength, and the fact that the Browns are now calling vertical plays, are a threat.

          I think T-Rich helps Weeden, but I also think Weeden helps T-Rich.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            That makes sense.

          • Beeej

            Having a right side on your O-line helps everybody. Where is Kanacki? He usually has my back on this one.

          • Bryan

            Agree with that. Schwarz showed some stuff against Bungles.

          • BIKI024

            let’s see how he do against Mark Anderson, will be a very good test for the kid. May the Schwartz be with you!

          • Beeej

            He battled. That’s for sure. I may have even seen some flashes.

      • bupalos

        I don’t know about “hasn’t shown enough with his arm…” There is nothing wrong with the dude’s fastball, and he’s accurate when nothing interferes with the windup. The whole enchilada with this guy is going to be whether or not he can keep his focus when he’s going to take a hit. I’m still working my way through last Sunday again, but on first blush there weren’t any significant plays that met this description.

        • BIKI024

          there weren’t many significant plays where he felt the pass rush? yeah, it seemed like the line held up well, hopefully that happens more frequently than not.. i’m not sure there are too many QB’s in the league that keep their focus when they are going to take a hit, consistently at least… gonna be a tough test against da Bills though, who may have the best front 4 in the NFL..

    • rodofdisaster

      I went back and looked at Weeden this week to compare to week 1. In week 1, there wasn’t a lot that was good but he did seem to pick out the correct receiver to throw to most (if not all) of the time…so there was some hope.

      In week 2, I focused on the deep ball for two reasons. First, it’s what he had most trouble with in week 1. Second, it’s the one throw that’s going to keep defenses honest. I looked at throws over 15 yards (not technically “deep” but I was being generous).

      Here’s what I saw:

      Throw

      1. Inc deep right to MoMass. Threw vs a CB with inside position deeper than the WR. That’s a no-no. It was a poor throw as the receiver would never have been able to stay in bounds.

      2. 19 yard completion to MoMass. Late on the throw.

      3. Inc deep left to Little. Double covered and the checkdown in the left flat was wide-open for a first down.

      4. Complete ~20 yds to Alex Smith. Thrown late but with nice touch. Had other open receiver breaking across the middle who would have been an easier completion.

      5. 18 yd to MoMass. Late ball/behind receiver.
      6. Inc deep left to MoMass vs double coverage. Needed more air under the ball.

      7. TD to Little (see above)

      This is a little more of what we really expected from Weeden. Perhaps still learning where to throw it. Perhaps a bit late on some throws but generally able to run the offense. He threw for 322 so I don’t think we can complain but the deep ball continues to be a work in progress.

      I think it’s apparent to me that Brandon loves his arm and short arms some throws down the field. He needs to follow through.

  • wiseoldredbeard

    Very interesting. Thanks! I’d be interested to know more about all the checkdowns to Ogby late in the game (that went for big yards). Is that because we were sucking them deep on similar plays?

    • BIKI024

      With a 10 point lead with under 2 mins to go, the Bengals were in prevent d, and rightfully so.. go ahead and dink and dunk, but they were protecting the end zone and it ended up working for them

  • Bellh001

    Well done Rod

  • Davekolonich

    Great stuff, Rod. Love these articles.

    You pointed out how the Bengals’ safety took himself out of the play. I noticed this, but was also intrigued by how the LB’s continued to fall for play action. I know the Bengals were missing some guys on defense, but they seemed really unprepared and almost “froze up” several times during the game.

    Also, I noticed the “Bunch” formation earlier on a 3rd and 13. On the first play, the Bengals’ pass rush was quicker than the Browns’ receivers’ routes. On the play you broke down, it worked much better.

    And in Pat Shurmur terms, this means look for about 12 Bunch routes against the Bills. Shurmur tends to run the plays that worked before to death. Witness about a dozen draw plays and four end arounds against the Bengals.

    Great stuff!

    • Beeej

      I would put the “freeze up” on the fact that TRich was going off, and the O-line was opening up running lanes. You have to respect the play action when there is a legitimate threat to run.

      • BIKI024

        so you’re telling me there’s a chance…YEAH! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA

      • Davekolonich

        Agreed, but even really early in the game (Browns’ second possession before T-Rich got going), the Bengals’ LB’s were frozen stiff.

        But you’re right – it’s amazing what a running game will do for an NFL team.

        • Beeej

          Correction: It is amazing what pass protection and running lanes will do for a team.

        • Beeej

          My best guess is that Cinci knew they would be getting 20-25 carries from TRich so they geared up to stop the run, knowing that if Weeden were forced to throw for most of the 2nd half they could pin their ears back and force at second week in a row of sub 10 QB rating.

          • bupalos

            Yeah, I don’t doubt that they figured the Browns would try to minimize Weeden after last game. Fortunately the guy isn’t as complete a disaster as thought.

        • bupalos

          >>>But you’re right – it’s amazing what a running game will do for an NFL team.>>>

          Yeah, and not just NFL teams either, it helps the Browns, too!

          Bam! Had to put on my Frowns hat there for second.

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    Achtung!
    Cheddarbay week four lines are posted.
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11485578/ched_wk4.pdf

    • GrandRapidsRustlers

      Great news. This gives me time to study in an effort to catch Biki…mainly because he keeps calling me fat on Twitter. Why would I need a quick and easy way to slim down?

      Besides the obvious reasons…

      • BIKI024

        my apologies bru, i keep changing my passwords and Jenny Craig keeps hacking in!

        • GrandRapidsRustlers

          No problem…I don’t know why I find obvious spam messages so funny.

        • actovegin1armstrong

          Come on Biki,
          I have lost 2o lbs in the last two months, cut me some slack on my weight problem.

          You should be careful, I know where to find you now and I am still really fast. I will run you down, sit on you and read you some Vogon poetry if you are not careful.

          • BIKI024

            You can find me in da club, bottle full of bub

        • actovegin1armstrong

          Biki,
          I think the recent rash of password hacking has to be an inside job.
          As many of you saw, a few months ago my email account was hacked.
          My password was a Flemmish word with 1 capital letter, four random numbers and a character.
          The odds of cracking that are even worse than the odds of the Browns running the tables to the impending apocalypse.
          They have to be coming from the inside of these respective social media services.

      • Davekolonich

        I know. I’ve been going to the gym but after the latest message, I think I might cry.

  • bupalos

    You are money, Rod. Thanks!

  • actovegin1armstrong

    Giants -1.5 for Cheddah please

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    at buffalo -3.5 kent st. (essay)

    I haven’t been this excited for a MAC game in 4 years.

    i hear you SB*Nation user bull_trojan,, i hear you.
    maybe not as excited as you, but definitely excited.
    wednesday MACtion is back. who isn’t excited?

    buffalo got on my radar as a value pick last year and then again with a solid cover at georgia in week one. regrettably the outfall from that game led to an ill-advised wager on mizzou vs georgia. georgia brought a smokeshow to non-sucky* mizzou with four suspended players.** back to the subject at hand, buffalo’s early credentials are enhanced by uga’s emergence as a top 5 team.

    drilling into UB, branden oliver piled up 238 rush yds two weeks ago*** (and didn’t touch the ball in the 4th qtr). he’s pre-season all-MAC, had 1400 yds last year, might wind up playing on sundays given his 4.42 top end speed.

    so the bulls can run. they have a good RB and based on last year’s numbers have an offense and line built to run. that brings us to kent’s run defense. kentucky managed 185 yds vs kent and only 41 vs wku, 93 vs lville. takeaway: uk is not a good run team but ran effectively on kent st. I’m looking at a top rush offense vs a soft rush defense.

    coaching. both teams have had 11 days since last game, plenty of time to game plan.. which coach has the edge? says here that jeff quinn has decent experience. brian kelly mustve been a fan or he wouldn’t have brought him when kelly moved from CMU to cincy. quinn was cincy’s OC three years for kelly. i’m have not been a great brian kelly fan…but the gilyard-collaros bearcat era was good offense. that’s on quinn. for kent, there’s darrell hazell. always happy to see oberlin on a coaching resume (john heisman!) and while six years coaching tressell’s WRs is good… I’m going to take quinn’s experience over hazell’s.

    it also looks like this is the bulls debut for national MACtion coverage. they’re a decent home team in general (beat OU at home last year, had 1-pt loss vs NIU, and obligatory 40 pt win over the zips), fair to think that they’ll get a home field boost with national coverage tonite… or maybe kent will be a little logy from their three hour bus trip.

    last, kent has already given us this and this. i’m in for the bulls.

    *mizzou beat the crap out of a good/verygood azst team last weekend. transitive theorem being employed liberally here.
    **i agree with rankings that have georgia in the top 5; aaron murray is an nfl quarterback (reminds me of a shorter matt ryan); mental note to wager on uga is locked in.
    ***must acknowledge that this performance came against the same morgan st team who lost the mark-of-beast game to akron last saturday, 6-66.

    • BIKI024

      now that’s an essay, 400+ words! all your points make perfectly good sense to me, which is why this line seems a bit shady to me. only laying 3.5 points at home?? which is why everyone and their grandma is on DA Bulls. mushy. is Vegas reeling in the fish on this? hope not, you could use the 2.5 points, godspeed my man

      • Petefranklin

        All the cappers were on buffalo yet the line falls to 3 from 4. I got trapped and run off the cliff with the bulls. Man are they sucking!

        • BIKI024

          i’m not sure which cappers you’re referring to, but it seems to me that the line fell from 3 to 4 because everyone fired on Buffalo.. Kent read, Kent write, KENT STATE was the sharp play

          • Petefranklin

            I thought Kents Defense would get torn up some. I knew I shouldn’t have fired but I did @ -3.I’m talking all the pro cappers that I saw were on Buffalo except for Teddy Covers and one other service. By the way , speaking of cappers, I never would have taken Tennesee if I had known that Brandon Lang was on the vols. I got Langed, I think the definition is in the urban dictionary.

          • Petefranklin

            The early sharps pushed the game from 3 to 3.5. The various cappers and public money pushed it from3.5 to 4 and above I believe. I jumped in at 3 even though I thought it smelled funny. All the services that I saw were on Buff except for Teddy Covers and one other. That alone should have kept me off the game except that TC has been sucking.

    • Art_Brosef

      KSU is also missing their top CB, a senior with 8 career ints, including one at UK before he got hurt.

  • GrandRapidsRustlers

    Early Cheddar Plays (1 Point Each)

    Buffalo (-3.5) over Kent – For all of the reasons that jimkanicki laid out plus the simple fact I went to Akron.

    Carolina (+1.5) over NYG – Too many injuries for the Giants on a short week.

  • BIKI024

    Mark Schlereth gave the Clownies some love today, said they are a “tough out” and he likes what he sees in the defense and was impressed with how the offense looked this week. Sure it means nothing unless we win, but Schlereth doesn’t give out compliments out lightly and is pretty straightforward with his opinions, so it was encouraging to hear. Now let’s win on Sunday so the Clowns can turn some Frowns upside down.

    • Petefranklin

      Cheddar play? Outright?

      • BIKI024

        TBD.. i mean, might as well ride them until they lose (ATS)

  • actovegin1armstrong

    Mild, Early Cheddar 4

    ****All Play and Special Super Terrific Bonus Essay**** ND -6

    The Notre Dame defense looked surprisingly good against Michigan State and while they shall be losing a member of their much maligned secondary, (Slaughter), they shall be getting Kapron Lewis-Moore back at full strength on their already terrific Defensive Line.
    Notre Dame being down a Defensive Back may make the Hoke regime more likely to call plenty of pass plays for Denard Robinson. Robinson throwing more should work in Notre Dame’s favor, I do not see much I like from Denard Robinson’s passing game, he has had some successful games, but they were not all due to brilliant decision making.

    As I always say with every football game, it all comes down to the only important player on the field, the Quarterback and in this match up I like the red shirt Freshman Golson better than his much celebrated rival Robinson.

    Giants -1.5
    Bowling Green +19
    Rutgers +5
    Beloved Browns +3
    Az Cards +3.5 I like the Cards even though they will be going with their rather expensive and less talented back-up QB.
    Does anyone recall that I wanted the Browns to draft Jack Skellington when he came out of that Football Powerhouse Fordham?

    • Petefranklin

      ND is -5.5 and rutgers is plus 7 I believe, dont cheat yourself.

  • rgrunds

    Rod. I hereby give you Pete’s blog.

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