Xs and Os with the Bros, Week 1: Defending the pass against the Eagles

by Cleveland Frowns on September 13, 2012

Welcome to the 2012 regular season debut of Xs and Os with the Bros by Xs and Os editor @rodofdisaster. This feature represents a basic attempt to dive deeper into the game of football, learn something about the X’s and O’s that make it go, and better appreciate the games within the game. It’s called Xs and Os with the Bros because you don’t have to be a player, coach, or rocket surgeon to get something out of taking a closer look at a football play, so please enjoy the post and the discussion in the comments.

This week Rod focuses on the Browns’ pass coverage on two big Eagles plays that led to their first half touchdown.

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Situation: 2nd Quarter, 0:30 left (clock stopped)
Score: 3-3
Down & Distance: 2nd and 10 on Eagles’ 36.

Here we see the Eagles in “11” personnel (1RB, 1TE, 3WR) which west coast playbooks also call “Posse.” The TE is to the right leaving the X (Jeremy Maclin) and slot (Jason Avant) receivers to the opposite side and the Z (DeSean Jackson) to his side. Vick is in the shotgun with McCoy to his right.

The Browns counter this with nickel personnel as identified here. The defensive line is playing straight up (i.e., no shift) and there are two linebackers (D’Qwell Jackson and Craig Robertson). The DBs are all aligned man-to-man. Note that the one safety (Ray Ventrone) is creeping toward the line of scrimmage to cover the right hook/flat area. The other safety (Eric Hagg) is playing deep (circled) giving the one-deep look.

The QB’s presnap read tells him that this is most likely a man-free coverage, meaning one deep safety and man-to-man underneath. Since there are always five eligible receivers on each play, that leaves five to rush assuming no double teams (i.e., expect a blitz).

Here are two panels showing the pass rush. The Browns are bringing a blitzer and rushing five. The Eagles are using a zone scheme to block and I’ve tried to clarify who’s going where by showing Jackson rushing the left A-gap (A, B and C gaps are relative to the defense’s perspective). Rubin is in the left B gap and Winn is rushing the right A-gap. The DEs are rushing straight upfield. They look to be playing it somewhat conservative, perhaps in an effort to keep Vick in the pocket. Panel B shows us that the Eagles’ line has done a reasonably good job. The top arrow shows Jackson who was fended off to the offense’s right by C Jason Kelce. Vick has a nice throwing lane develop where there was no rush and he’s looking left.

Here we see Maclin hauling in the deep ball from Vick as he’s beaten Skrine. Hagg can’t get over in time to make a play on the ball. This results in a 46-yard gain. It is followed on the next play by a touchdown pass to make the score 10-3 Philadelphia going into halftime.

Analysis

Man-free coverage is a bit aggressive here but, as much as people gripe about prevent defenses, you have to love the mentality. The blitz really was putting pressure on Vick most of the day (although not much on this play). When you look at this coverage, the strengths are generally that:

- every potential receiver is accounted for while bringing a fifth rusher
- good against screens and delays (and we know the Eagles love those)
- CBs can play press coverage
- takes away the outside breaking routes (in 2 minute drill you don’t want to give up sideline).
- CBs have help vs post-routes

The weaknesses are:

- poor run support (under two minutes not really an issue)
- vulnerable to deep and crossing routes
- deep outer thirds not all covered
- hard to disguise vs motion
- tight formations (e.g. bunch) are a problem as 9 or 10 guys are up at the line

The first instinct is to assign blame here but when I look at the defense, everyone really did what they were supposed to do. Hagg covered a lot of ground just to get there. I don’t know if anyone not named “Ed Reed” makes that play. Did Skrine get beat because of technique or because he’s facing someone who’s simply more athletic? Well, I think that’s debatable, and the debate  makes me think of Bill Walsh.

If you study Walsh’s notes on the passing game, there are a few rules that he sets out for the “Go” pattern. Among them are:

1) Don’t throw vs their best DB … check;
2) 7-step, hitch and throw … done perfectly by Vick here …check (Note: for each extra step, the DB will cover 2-3 yards on the WR);
3) Don’t throw if DB is deeper than your WR when you take your hitch … check;
4) Release inside then out. At 8 yards should be one yard inside DB then “step on his toes” and over next 8 yards should end up one yard outside of the defender … so look at this:

Here we see Skrine on Maclin. In this photo, I’ve marked 8 yards from the LOS. That’s where Maclin should be at the end of this part of his route.

In these two photos, we see that Maclin is exactly where he needs to be with respect to those landmarks. Bill Walsh would be proud. Obviously, Andy Reid was paying attention.

Yes, Skrine was beaten by Maclin but he did manage to recover and make a tackle. Sometimes, their O’s are just better than your X’s even if just for one play. This one leaves us to wonder whether the coaches trust the secondary enough to blitz more frequently or that they simply don’t feel the front four can do it alone.

This play is also indicative of what the Browns’ offense should look like with respect to the deep ball. Brandon Weeden was only the third QB since 2008 to start a game and throw nine passes over ten yards and not complete a single one. The others were J.P. Losman and Brodie Croyle for those keeping score at home. If the Browns’ version of the Bill Walsh brainchild is going to find success, it’s going to have to start hitting on some deep throws. This is one template of how that worked in Walsh’s mind. Unfortunately, this play was much more important to the outcome of the contest than it should have been given the Browns’ lack of even marginal play from their own quarterback.

There were many striking statistics from Sunday’s loss to the Eagles, but one that struck me was that of 11 quarterback hits. While this play didn’t result in a sack or a hit, the strategy employed by Jauron was a theme of the afternoon. He was blitzing to generate pressure. This resulted in a league high number of hits. Dick Jauron won’t ever be confused with Rex Ryan as a blitz-happy coach so this is a little surprising from him. Blitzing in this situation was a bit of a risk but, at the same time, you can’t let this set of receivers run loose and Vick to roam free.

Part II. Easy Money (the Bupalos Bonus)

The above play sets up the following score, that I hadn’t planned to discuss. But since Bupalos brought it up, it does illustrate a failure by the Browns defense.

The Eagles are in “21” personnel (2 backs, 1TE and 2WR with both WR to the right). The Browns counter with base 4-3 defense. The defenders look like a zone matchup as they’re playing off the WRs. Haden is almost as deep as the safety, so this is basically an odd 3-deep look.

Here we see the defense drop into zones. Notice that Ventrone is covering the deep half while on the other side Hagg and Haden are covering 1/4ths? This is called “Quarter-Quarter-Half” coverage and the zones look like the above. The CB who isn’t bailing deep (Patterson) has a short zone to the other side. the linebackers take the other three zones across.

Here we see Haden with his hips turned to the sideline on Maclin who is about to cut inside of him to come wide open. We also notice Jackson (X) is well covered and three other defenders are also trying to cover him including Hagg who is the only defender who could conceivably help Haden here. Vick goes on to hit Maclin for the score. Eight men are in to block which is about as “max protect” as you can get.

Analysis

The strength of this Quarter-Quarter-Half defense is that it is theoretically

-strong against deep passes to the strong side (side with two quarter zones)….though it wasn’t here.
-allows aggressive play and doubling against weakside WRs (side with half zone deep)…except here where the Eagles all stayed in to block
- easy to disguise…except here where the Browns didn’t bother.

Weaknesses include:

- needing a weakside safety who can cover half of the field (not typically a problem in the NFL)
- asks a lot of both your weak and strongside LBs in terms of coverage
- vulnerable to flood routes (multiple WRs in same zone) especially on strong side.

I won’t bother discussing the ways to attack it because the Eagles did none of it. Joe Haden was simply beaten on this play. He did exhibit some of the same issues we saw with him covering AJ Green last year (opens up early/sidesteps instead of backpedals) and he got turned around and overcommitted. What Maclin did to him is essentially the same thing he’d done to Skrine on the previous play. I don’t know if Hagg is allowed to simply ignore Haden’s man but I would point out that with two men out in the pattern against seven, you really should be able to blanket both of them. I won’t criticize the play call itself but the execution is just horrible.

Before everyone goes crazy on Joe Haden and starts tweeting him about this post and how we hate him, note that Joe certainly had moments where he played well and he generally kept DeSean Jackson in check. Three of Jackson’s four receptions were in the first quarter and the one in the fourth quarter was a nine yard completion. At times, Haden was the physical, competent corner he has the reputation for being, but simply doesn’t show the hips to change direction with receivers like Jackson consistently. Then again, very few defensive backs do.

Next week we’ll get a better look against another good passing attack.

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The full “Xs and Os with the Bros” archive is available here.

  • NeedsFoodBadly

    Hey rod, were you able to use the All22 footage for this? Is that out yet?

    • ClevelandFrowns

      The last three shots are All22. It doesn’t come out until Wednesday and he’d pulled most of this together before then, but I don’t think the analysis is hampered at all without it here.

    • FSOhioZJackson

      Can not confirm as I have not looked but someone told me the All 22 is free through tomorrow, then the subscription kicks in for anyone interested

  • BIKI024

    CHEDDAR BAY PICK:
    FLA + 3

  • BIKI024

    Good stuff per usual Rod, thanks! Although of course the glass half full kind of guy that I am, would’ve been cool to see a breakdown of one of the interceptions as well.

  • ClevelandFrowns

    We’ve got you covered, Bik.

    Breakdown of interceptions:

    1) Vick makes bad read, throws right at Browns defender; OR
    2) Ball bounces off hands of wide open Eagles receiver and in to the air.

    • BIKI024

      right, the pressure (11 QB hits) had nothing to do with any of it.. good grief

      • ClevelandFrowns

        “Vick twice had a comfortable pocket, made a bad read, and proceeded to throw right into coverage.” — http://www.the700level.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/news/Top-to-Bottom-Eagles-Offense-Is-Offensiv?blockID=770625&feedID=8510
        Enough from you, please. Go back to working on your Cheddar picks. America is counting on you.

        • BIKI024

          yes, very telling that the first line of the article you referenced is: “Michael Vick chucked four interceptions on Sunday, but spent a good portion of the afternoon running for his life.”

          you can spew all your antisentiment, but all you can ask for is a chance to win the game, and for 13 minutes of the 4th quarter, the Browns held on to a 6 point lead. unfortunately for the Bengals, Dalton is no where near as athletic as Vick, and it seems to me that the Bengals line might be more inexperienced than the Eagles, so let’s see if they peel their ears back again and make ginger boy run for his life. I love the “law firm” but he ain’t no McCoy, so I think we should see less yards allowed than the nearly 500 last week.

          my guess/hope is that BWeeden is more careful with the ball and we see a heavy dose of TRich.. and come on Ben Watson, you gotta pick up an extra 6 inches on 3rd downs bro. greg little, catch the damn ball

          please Please PLEASE give Travis Benjamin more touches!

          CHEDDAR BAY PICK – BROWNS +7

        • bupalos

          I’d like to know which two these are supposed to be. Only the one early in the 3rd answers to this description, and “bad read” isn’t even true for that. Everything’s covered and he tries to beat the d with his arm but DQ is faster.

      • nj0

        11 hits on 63 pass attempts.

        Is a 17% hit rate good, bad, average? I don’t know. But you can’t look at the # of hits without looking at the # of pass attempts.

        • BIKI024

          agreed. but what game were you watching? Vick was running for his life on nearly every play, we definitely rattled him. i don’t care what percentage of hits, if you get hit a few times in the 1st quarter, you might tend to get happy feet, and be scurred out there, and he certainly looked like it and said so as much in his postgame pressers.

        • bupalos

          Off hand I think that’s a very good rate. I think your average might be 4 hits on 35 attempts, and it’s not like it gets easier for the d-line on the 60th snap, quite the opposite.

        • BIKI024

          11 hits on 56 pass attempts, nearly a 20% hit rate..

          either way, it’s 11 more times being hit than Mark Sanchez got hit, 9 more than Romo, who both won big games and performed extrememly well. i think there are some clear correlations between lack of QB hits to the success of the QB that day. just ask Colt McCoy..

          • nj0

            56 attempts, but 63 drop backs (or at least that’s the number I found). But whatever– that’s splitting hairs.

            We did get pretty good pressure throughout, but as has been pointed out before that undoubtedly had something to do with the lack of a run game keeping us honest.

            I will say, Chilly did exactly what he should have. He came up with the accepted game plan to beat Vick – take away the long pass, force him to make reads and throw underneath, keep him contained. The fact that the Eagles kept trying to shove their square peg into a round hole takes nothing away from our defensive players and coaches.

            Simply, my worry is that we are unlikely to play another QB like Michael Vick nor face a coaching staff like the Eagles that refuses to make adjustments. If we can get pressure while not letting a team average 5+ yards a carry, I’ll start to feel more confident.

          • dubbythe1

            The fact that Reid kept pounding the sqare peg into the round hole is very relevant to us, considering we have a lame sprout off his tree in Shurmur.

          • bupalos

            >>>Chilly did exactly what he should have>>>

            Chilly is the O cord, has a dumb moustache, and sucks. I think Jauron is the name you are looking for, and the more I look at this the more I like.

          • nj0

            True that. I think I just like saying Chilly.

            Jauron did exactly what he should have….

          • bupalos

            >>>

            True that. I think I just like saying Chilly.

            Jauron did exactly what he should have….
            >>>

            actually when I thought about it, I agree with the first version of what Chilly was probably doing.

    • bupalos

      Well, I assume your obtuse intransigence is just and effort to keep me from doing my cheddar work, but ok, I’ll look at each one.

      Here’s the pocket on the Haden pick. Defensive lineman is in contact with Vick about to take him down but the OL tackles him for a hold– as Vick squirts a pass out to a crossing maclin, the ball is 6 inches too far out and maclin can’t quite make a sweet one handed snag… but joe can.

      So pic 1 is a nice clean pocket, pic 2 is a totally unharassed qb and a wide open receiver, pic 3 is a super easy-to-catch-ball to that wide open receiver, and pic 4 is an even easier gift interception.

      • ClevelandFrowns

        Right, plenty of time to throw to a wide open receiver. A subpar throw that the receiver lets go off of his hands right into Haden’s breadbasket. A gift.

        • bupalos

          You’re hopeless.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            Literally. OH AND SIXTEEN.

          • Beeej

            15-1 leading up to 12-21-12 Armageddon.

          • bupalos

            4-12 and/or bust.

          • Chris P.

            I think I remember this from dr mclarty in logic class…

            If shurmur then frowns
            If jauron than bupalos
            If chilly then beej

        • bupalos

          WAIT! I didn’t have the special closed caption turned on. Now I see what you see….

      • acto

        Bupa,
        Stop watching that game!
        I love you, but I do not have time to fly up for the intervention.

        • bupalos

          I will NEVER stop watching this game. I starting in on the offense next.

      • acto

        Sorry Bupa, I had an obtuse intransigence once, it was tough, but please do not despair, a couple of shots of pennecillin and I was just fine.

      • rodofdisaster

        I’m sorry to be this confused but I am not sure what you’re debating here. I don’t understand why Vick was making those throws myself. They were bad decisions. I don’t know about whether the pressure made him do it. How about “he has a history of making bad decisions”?

        On the flipside (and you’ll find this interesting) is that I looked at the Weeden interceptions and all of them were thrown to the best option. He just didn’t throw the ones to Benjamin well (short so the DB made up on the underthrow). The one to Little was basically Little’s fault even if it was at his neck. The last one to MoMass was a horrible overthrow. What I’m getting at is that I can’t look at the All 22 and say that any of those four throws were made when he could have thrown to a more open receiver.

    • dubbythe1

      1. If the ball is thrown in a position where the defender has a good chance to get it, that ball needs to be defended by the receiver.

      2. When the ball hits you in the neck, you’ve got to catch it.

    • bupalos

      Here’s the “terrible read, plenty of time” pick 6. Starts off with a hold and 6 guys covering 3 receivers (including TE that never releases) plus McCoy. Anyway, as the hold continues we still break in on Vick’s deep drop just as DQ breaks into deeper coverage, vick perhaps thinking he was pinned in by McCoy. In the end the play looks bad as either Brown in coverage could have picked it, but with 7 guys to block 5, a hold, and a 12 yard drop, I think it’s safe to say Vick didn’t expect the guy in his face and it might have had a teeny bit to do with the choice and throw.

      Pic one shows the hold on the stunter, pic two a lonely Vick with nothing but time and no one but the shadow of the goal post to keep him company, as DQ loafs lazily in the foreground.

      • ClevelandFrowns

        Can’t see anything from these pics but I was at the game and it was a horrendous throw with no Eagle anywhere near the ball.

        • bupalos

          Holy crap you’re right! And I thought this was an Eagle reaching to catch the ball! On the all-22 you can tell it’s an autochthonous Browns Stadium grass creature. I was wondering when those would start to pop up!

          • ClevelandFrowns

            So that picture is supposed to show that it wasn’t a horrendous throw? I’m really interested to see what this four day bath salts bender is going to do for your Cheddar Bay performance.

          • BIKI024

            so what substance are you blaming for your whopping 2 points in Cheddar Bay Frownie??

          • ClevelandFrowns

            Sodium chloride, as always.

          • BIKI024

            BEEP BEEP BEEP

          • bupalos

            >>>So that picture is supposed to show that it wasn’t a horrendous throw>>>

            uh, no….I mean, it’s not a horrendous throw considering there’s a guy in his face and he’s throwing it around his outstretched arm, but let’s review:

            >>>with no Eagle anywhere near the ball.>>>

            …and I didn’t believe that UNTIL I saw the autochthonous grass creature, so I’m just giving you credit where it’s due.

            #neverendingbender

          • acto

            Bupa,
            Auto what?
            Great, now Bupa and Beeej are burning the Biki Lettuce.

          • BIKI024

            puff puff give

    • bupalos

      OK, here’s the first one. 6 guys to block 4, Vick flushed in short order despite another marginal hold, perfect containment pursuit by the front 4, !!!HOLY SHIT THIS IS THE ONE! This is the big play where he could have taken a McCoy dump and gained up to 5 yards on 2nd and 21 and totally turned the game around!

      This isn’t a bad read, in any event. Rookie Cleveland Browns Linebacker has single coverage on the TE coming across. He just happens to do an awesome job of getting in front of the pattern, maybe prompted by the whole play rolling that way. And I guess you can say Vick has plenty of time, if you call getting flushed immediately, running away and finding a 4 yard buffer where he could watch 4 linemen converging on him as he releases the ball 4 seconds after the snap “plenty of time.” In any event, its a good play by the Browns all around, they won the line, kept contain, and had everything covered. All they were giving here was a dump to McCoy on 2nd and 21. Vick should have taken it but wasn’t insane to pass that up for the single coverage on the TE.

      So the pics are the initial win at the line, Vick flushed plus possible hold, Vick lonely with his thoughts about the Brown’s dumpster fire and McCoy’s big chance, and finally LJ Fort beating the route and setting up the pick.

      • ClevelandFrowns

        The pocket is fine here. Nobody gets within five feet of him (pockets move, too, you know). And yes, you’re supposed to throw to the wide open receiver instead of the covered one. A short gain is better than an incompletion or interception.

        Plenty of time, bad read. Easy one.

        • bupalos

          Do I need to post the video? This isn’t a “moving pocket,” It’s Vick on the run. The throw comes on a jump stop. You’re really reaching.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            Yes post the video because all I see is Vick with his feet set with nobody within five yards of him when he throws.

    • bupalos

      Here’s the last one, early in the third period. This is the only one where it’s fair to say he has plenty of time. 6 blocking 4 again, nice but contained pocket, and so well covered that it’s either going to be a throwaway or a late Rubin sack. It’s also pretty impressive that DQ gets his whole body in front of this play by the time the ball gets there, I think from this still you’d say this might get sqeezed in there.

      • ClevelandFrowns

        Can’t see any of the other receivers here, but yes it looks like Vick has plenty of time. Again. You need the All22. It only costs like $80 for the whole year.

        • ClevelandFrowns

          So in review, it is conclusive. On only one of the four interceptions was Vick under any significant pressure from the defense (the pick 6), and on that one, he made a completely horrendous decision and a horrendous throw.

          • bupalos

            You’re hopeless.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            Shurmurball. Oh. And. Six. Teen.

  • nj0

    Could Haden getting beat also be a result of reading the play and then assuming help from Hagg that just wasn’t there? Or is it that a completetly separate issue from the poor form?

    • bupalos

      Haden is a multiple mess on this play: looks to me like he was actually trying to bait the in route (sitting off so far and then running at it) and then everything else is him falling all over himself to cover that. But I can see no reason at all why all the attention of all the rest of the coverage is on one guy short. Easily the worst play of the game for the D and Joe.

    • actovegin1armstrong

      njo, I am the dummest guy I know, but I was a Cover Corner guy.
      It looked to me like Haden was guessing on the route and that is why his hips were in a bad position.
      I really hope that I am completely incorrect about this and that Rod’o smacks my knuckles with a ruler to make certain I do not act like I may know something ever again, but….
      While I do like Joe Haden and I was happy the Browns picked him, I think they should wise up and take a DB with their first round pick every year, it is a passing league.
      What I have seen from Haden is that he has certain tendencies to position himself predictably, make predictable decisions and not always have his hips where they should be.
      If I can see these tendencies/mistakes then real football people reviewing game film must see them too.

  • ClevelandFrowns

    Cheddar Bay All Play is Broncos/Falcons. Tell your rowdy friends.

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      boo. please note my respectful dissent regarding the ‘obtuse intransigence’ of the exec cmte.

      this or this preferred.

    • GrandRapidsRustlers

      I will state for the record that there will be no dissent from me unless we skip the Wagon Wheel.

      • ClevelandFrowns

        I have every intention of making the Wagon Wheel the All Play that week (Jackson will probably quit the competition if I don’t), but I can’t make any promises just yet.

    • Petefranklin

      Really? who cares, I was all pumped up to play the Clowns here since I didn’t bet them at the season opener odds. I think they gained a point or two without looking. I said on here way back when that the Browns get a win here or a must win against Buffalo or 0-16 here we come. Anyway I learned back in Jr high to never EVER bet on the Browns!, so that was probably another loser.

  • FSOhioZJackson

    My Cheddar picks as tomorrow is not good for me

    All play: Denver +3 at Atlanta

    Bengals -7 vs. Browns: Because Brandon Weeden can show me that he can have a game without 3+ interceptions.

    Marshall +6.5 vs. Ohio U: OU very well could go undefeated. I think this is too many here because both teams should score a bunch, Marshall is well aware OU is picked by many know-nothings like me to go unbeaten and last year OU was winning 37-7…and ran a fake punt. So, yeah.

    Washington St -8.5 at UNLV: I know Wazzou doesn’t have its QB here, but UNLV generally wins fewer games in a year than the Browns do. Maybe Wazzou just ran into a hornet’s nest in Week 1 at BYU.

    Chiefs +3 at Buffalo: “Give me Romeo Crennel and give me the points,” said not many wise men, ever. Still…

    Essay pick

    Pittsburgh Steelers -6 vs. the Jets

    Peyton Manning was not going to lose in Week One — Roger Goodell, among others, was going to make sure of it — and the Steelers weren’t at full strength. The Jets are old and vulnerable and don’t block and talk a lot, and Heinz Field has traditionally been a place where such teams get silenced. Don’t have a lot of strong feelings this week, but I do feel the Steelers bounce back and win this game by 10+. Jets OL didn’t allow a sack last week. That changes here.

    • FSOhioZJackson

      Making a change here based strictly on need/desire for Thursday night action

      Bears +6 at GB in place of Marshall/OU

      Bears +6 in, Marshall out.

      Thanks

  • CleveLandThatILove

    Thanks. Although this is almost as far over my head as a pass from Weeds, I do learn something every week.

    • rgrunds

      and some of what you learn is even correct.

  • actovegin1armstrong

    Cheddar pick: South Florida -7.5 over Rutgers

  • Peter

    MSU -5 OVER ND
    WISC -14 OVER UTAH STATE
    PATS -13.5 OVER ARI
    SD-6 OVER TENN
    DEN +3 OVER ATL
    TB +9 OVER NYG
    The Bucs looked good last week against the Panthers. The effort on defense was light years ahead of last year. McCoy finally started to look like a third pick in the draft, impact player he was drafted to be. This week, they will have to let Josh Freeman loose. Vincent Jackson will need to make plays. They will need to score more this week to win. This team is not great, but they are not the disaster they were last year under Morris’ leadership. This spread is too big.

    • FSOhioZJackson

      The Cheddar line for Tampa-Giants is 7.5

  • bupalos

    Thanks a ton Rod. Great as always. The decisions on the 2nd play still mystify me. Look at all those defenders defending the same nothing.

  • BIKI024

    “The blitz really was putting pressure on Vick most of the day”

    Do you have a breakdown of how many blitzes the Browns called? While we did get a lot of pressure on Vick, I’m not sure how many of them were technically blitzes, it seems that a lot of that pressure was created by the dline winning their 1-on-1 battles.

  • GrandRapidsRustlers

    It’s time for an early Cheddar Bay double play.

    USF (-7.5) over Rutgers
    Packers (-6) over Bears

    • Petefranklin

      I just bet a parlay in the opposite way.

      • GrandRapidsRustlers

        Damn. People are using me on Cheddar Bay to get rich!

  • ClevelandFrowns
    • nj0

      What a knob. To counteract this terrible, I need something akin to Madden explaining supply side economics.

      • bupalos

        And then BOOM, it trickles all over everyone.

        • Some Guy

          Oh, like a broken colostomy bag?

          • Petefranklin

            No, like the casing on the pipe used to drill through the vital aquafer that millions use everyday for basic needs, on the fracking job going on near you.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            HahahaHahahaha

      • rgrunds

        What a misplaced analysis. George Will really needs to turn down his vibrating egg. It’s over-stimulating him in the wrong directions.

  • Chris P.

    It’s overreaction Thursday here at the Downtown Akron HQ, and it’s time top find the obvious overreaction and ride it to Lobsterfest glory.

    We don’t have a lot of hard data to go on here, so let’s run with something obvious. First, let’s talk about the most overreactionary of overreactions, the coronation of a certain team from Alabama National Champions after running the field over a team that may not have been all that good to begin with, Michigan (a nearly 7 touchdown favorite in their own right this week). I’m still not sold on that week one victory, and a follow up 35-love win over Western Kentucky is what it is. Meanwhile Arkansas, a legitimate top 10 team to start the season, loses a crusher, one in which they led by three touchdowns late in the third quarter. What seems more likely – that Arkansas is really a good team that had a bad 20 minutes that snowballed on them… or that Arkansas is a crapcan team that would go 3-4 in the Sun Belt?

    It seems that it was just one of those things. One of those things that should have a good team come out hungry – and competitive against a top 5 level team in Alabama. Arkansas may not be Alabama, but they’re sure as hell not 20 three touchdowns worse. Overreaction.

    Plus, last week we meant to drive those elephant tusks into the sod and instead just dusted them with talc.

    Arkansas +21
    —-
    Denver +4
    —-
    Notre Dame +6
    UCLA -17
    New England -14
    Oakland -2.5

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Dang this sounds good.

      • Chris P.

        Oh like I’ve never called you to bad action before.

        Unless you mean photoshop. That does sound good

      • Chris P.

        Also, before you get all crazy, the main reason the air let out of the arky balloon last week was their qb went down with a concussion.

        He’s been practicing, and he and the coaches say he’s good to go, but technically not medically cleared.

        I’m writing it now because I may not get a chance to fri or sat, but if he is not cleared, I will likely be scrambling..

    • CLEVTA

      DEN/ATL line is 3 not 4

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki
  • maxfnmloans

    Thank you Rod. Excellent work

  • rgrunds

    I’m not speaking to FrOrange anymore, but since Rod is here, I’m going to participate.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      WELCOME BACK, BOB.

      • rgrunds

        Dildo Lapper. You deleted me.

  • rgrunds

    Rod, I have read your analysis 4 times and am preparing to memorize and recite it and claim that I thought of it all myself, BUT, don’t you think the real analysis that should be applied to that play was the fact that Shurmur threw a pass to Marcecic with 1 min, 30 sec. left in the half when he should have run the ball? Shurmur allowed the Eagles to execute the worst possible situation by doing bad clock/risk management when he chose a pass play to Marecic instead of a run play or pass to ANYone else not named Little. A dropped pass stops the clock until the punt. A run keeps the clock going while maintaining the possibility of a first down. If the run fails, you give Vick 30 seconds instead of a a minute and a half.

    Shurmur is not up to the job. Haslam is going to fire a lot of people.

    • bupalos

      First, the eagles still had a time out I believe, so I’m not sure run v. pass matters on the clock. Second, on second look I don’t think Marecic was the first option, MoMass had a great situation, but Marecic was supposed to chip a blitzer (and barely half-assed it), and Jackson was supposed to backstop him and totally whiffed. So Weeden had to take Marecic and sooner than he wanted. And really, how about the dude just catch the ball. You can’t frag Shurmur on that one.

      • rgrunds

        Los Bupos,

        O.K. I’m learning about football, but passing was still a high risk situation given Weeden’s performance in the first half, the possibility of a dropped pass and the possibility of a drop by Marecic, who has bad hands. They only had two yards to go (I think). I hated the play. It was a run. Even a goalie could see that. Weeden couldn’t see open receivers and couldn’t hit them when he did see them.

        • rgrunds

          O.K. Rod’s response made me think of something…an incomplete pass saves a time-out for Philadelphia. We shouldn’t be handing them time with a pass play. A run was the only option. Shurmur looked bad on that one.

    • rodofdisaster

      grunds—

      I have not been a Marecic fan since day one. He was passed off as a replacement to Vickers who, last I checked, was blowing up holes against the Giants for DeMarco Murray last week after a season of blocking for Arian Foster.

      I would rather they’d have kept Smelley on the 53-man roster and cut Marecic.

      Re: Shurmur. No comment.

      I would have rather seen them force the Eagles to use a timeout on defense and then played prevent to keep the Eagles ballcarriers in bounds and run the clock.

      • rgrunds

        That answers that question. Also acknowledges Los Bupos’ comment about the remaining time out for the Eagles, which I neglected to notice.

        Was Vickers too expensive for them? Runners need blockers…goalies are only as good as their defense….

        • actovegin1armstrong

          rgrunds,
          What is a goalies?

          • rgrunds

            A goalies is for to make puck stop. Is Slovak favorite and is very funs.

            Everywhere you go, you must have a funs.

          • acto

            I am dum Slovak. Why me not know?
            I want make funs.

          • rgrunds

            Cho robish, acto? Cho? You make a funs here with evil demon Greek boy Frown. Haha. Is funs.

  • rgrunds

    self deleted content by rgrunds.

  • CLEVTA

    I write to you from a starbucks on Madison Ave in NYC where every time I look up there’s one hotter girl after the next strolling in. Why do I live in Cleveland again?? I digress. My picks for the week:

    - W Michigan +2.5 v Minny. Similar to my auto selection of Rice (winner) last week vs Kansas. Any time Minny is a fav I’ll go the other side. Especially considering they are 0 for their last 5 ATS as a fav in a 3 yr span, excluding last week vs New Hampshire. And Carder can sling it.

    - Marshall +6.5 v OU. Too much hype on OU right now all the way down to a cover story in the PD sports section about Tettelton no longer living in the shadows of his dad. I like the Cats as much as the next Ohioan but that’s too many points to lay on the road vs a team that can score. Marshall’s defense is awful but they are 1st in the nation passing and should be able to grab a backdoor cover at a minimum.

    - ND +6 v MSU. Too many points to give a solid defense like ND vs a one dimensional offense in MSU. ND has a stout d-line and can hold Bell in check and for Maxwell to beat them. This has the makings of a similar outcome to the Boise St game. In a low scoring slugfest, 6 pts is a lot. Plus Cierre Wood is back for ND and is a solid weapon for the Irish.

    - ATL -3 Den (All Play). This will probably end up being a waste of everyone’s time since I think ATL wins by 3 and it’s a push for all. Therefore I’ll side with the home team bc I like dirty birds.

    - Utah +4 v BYU(Essay) . So preseason Utah was considered a sleeper in the Pac 12, has a dominant high 1st rd prospect in DL Star Lotulelei, is at home in the real “Holy War”, I’m getting > a FG at home, it’s a night game AND the public loves BYU? The public is obviously overreacting to the beatdown BYU put to an overmatched, unprepared Mike Leach team 2 weeks ago as well as Utah losing on the road to Utah St. Lets face it, Utah St isn’t a bad team (almost beat Auburn on the road last yr), is an in state rival and they played on a Friday night on ESPN. Utah looked bad early and was down big in the 1st h before storming back. Utah it is.

    - Carolina +3 v NO. Before week 1 Carolina was a 1.5 pt fav in this game. Now they are 3 pt dogs? So NO losing at home to a rookie QB w/ a bad defensive secondary, no Peyton or Vitt is going on the road and all of the sudden they became 4.5 pts better?? Don’t think so.

    • BIKI024

      like for the NYC love

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Dang Utah sounds like a really good pick, too.

      • Petefranklin

        You still want to hear about the action when possible? Both dogs tonight one LARGE and the other normal. You know the large one already.The bears are the other. How long till college hoops?

  • Dennis Hemingway

    Cheddar pick #1 (non-essay)

    Bears +6 over Packers

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    f/b/o redright and dwhalen:
    both tweeting in for bears +6 tonite.

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    rodofD in for the bears too.

  • rodofdisaster

    #Cheddar Bay

    Utah +4 over BYU

    Louisville -4 over UNC

    Broncos +3 (allplay)

    Bears +6 over Packers (given to Kanicki earlier)

    Raiders +2.5 over Dolphins

    Baltimore +2 over Eagles**

    **ESSAY**

    After last Sunday’s one point victory over the Browns, I can promise you that Andy Reid’s crew is not feeling particularly good about themselves. They will be facing a much stouter offensive line and running attack as well as legitimate NFL wide receivers. I would offer to you that this game will see Reid continue to try and air out the football putting Mike Vick at risk. Baltimore will control the clock and the field position. Philly gave up a league leading 11 hits on the quarterback and will be lucky to escape this game with him healthy. Ed Reed should have a pick or two in this game too to make everyone forget about his dominance over the Browns. The two points from Vegas are just gravy.

  • clayII

    UCF (-17.5) / Fla Int
    NC State (-31.5) / South Alabama
    Texas (-10) / Ole Miss
    Houston (+17) / UCLA
    Falcons (-3) / Broncos

    WISCONSIN (-14) / Utah St

    Uh, embarrased and pissed off Bielema at home vs Utah St… Utah St win over Utah was cute and all, but that was in-state rivalry, and they do seem to have some strange powers at home in night games (ask Boise St). I just see Wiscy lining up and playing smash mouth all day, and knowing what an a-hole Bielema is he will try to score 70 if he can. Wisconsin D played pretty good on the road vs Oregon St, and you cant convince me Utah St is coming any harder than that. Looking at 42-10 or in that neighborhood.

  • ChuckKoz

    so what is the game of the week for cheddar?

    either way, put me down for:
    UNLV +8.5 (Wash St)
    Cal +16.5 (Ohio St)
    Notre Dame +6 (MSU)

  • Cranky M

    I’m confused by the fact that so many people claim ignorance about these play calls/formations/terminology.
    Don’t you guys play Madden????

    • actovegin1armstrong

      no
      Play the Madden?
      I have no musical inclinations, I can not even play the radio.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-White/100000446546049 Steve White

    Rod thanks as always.

    Question: on what percentage of deep/intermediate route coverage does Haden allow himself to be turned sideways? Is this an occasional thing he does that a smarter receiver reads and uses on the fly, or is it something that is well known, frequently seen and ‘in the book’?

  • Henry Brown

    Anyone else think it looks like Hagg is pulling up on the first catch when if he would have kept running through Maclin he would have been well times to break up the pass? Also, not to pick on Hagg again but should he have picked up Maclin in his quarter instead of running towards a well covered Jackson?

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