Mitt Romney and the Cleveland Browns have a lot in common

by Cleveland Frowns on October 5, 2012

Mainly, that Romney and the Browns both make it really hard on their opponents to take them seriously, which tends to show when they face off with these opponents.

Of course, no one can blame Browns fan for straining to believe in something. But in all the excitement over some close losses (!) in an 0-4 start (!!!) and a ten-game-and-counting losing streak (!!!!!) in which the Browns also hold the current longest streak in the league of “not having a lead against any of your opponents for even one millisecond” (!!!!!!!!!), Browns fan’s willingness to ignore the realities of relative motivation will only lead to more unnecessary pain in the future when these realities become more apparent (just like they did against the Bills two weeks ago). So it’s especially helpful that we have a real world non-sports example of how this works from Wednesday’s debate between Presidential candidates.

Much like the Baltimore Ravens against the Browns on Thursday Night Football last week, President Obama came into Wednesday’s nationally televised match-up listless and uninterested, looking like he hardly wanted to be there at all. And of course, in both cases, nothing could be more natural. With the endless grind of so many real problems out there, like the Patriots, the Steelers, having a country to run and all that, and in a world where even the very best are working with limited reserves of energy, what kind of leader (AFC North or otherwise) would take a night of puppet theater with the likes of the Mitt Romneys and Pat Shurmurs of the world as anything but some combination of a profound annoyance and a good chance to take a breather? Of course, while Romney is an especially egregious excuse for a Presidential candidate, “[the] ‘Well, I am the president’ tendency goes a long way to explaining why incumbents — George W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter[, etc.] — tend to be regarded as losers in the first general election debate.”

“Well, I am the president.”

“Well, we are the Ravens. And you are the Cleveland Browns.”

It happens in the race to be Leader of the Free World, and it sure as shit happens in the National Football League.

Anyway, while circumstances require that we leave commentary on the rest of Wednesday’s proceedings to folks who get paid for it, there is one especially horrifying sports-related thing Romney said that we should mention here. That’s when he directly addressed the debate’s moderator, Jim Lehrer of PBS, to tell Lehrer that he planned to do away with his employer, and, apparently, publicly subsidized television and journalism altogether:

“I’m sorry, Jim, I’m going to stop the subsidy to PBS. I’m going to stop other things. I like PBS, I love Big Bird, I actually like you, too. But I’m not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from China to pay for.”

And as Erin Gloria Ryan notes at Jezebel, it’s true:

“Mitt Romney actually threatened to fire a guy onstage who is paid by an entity that uses .00014% of the federal budget. This is Mitt Romney’s solution to help reduce the national debt. Shit on Big Bird.”

Which is just insanely regressive. The fact that advertising works best on stupid people is a big reason why print media is dying in a way that radio and television are not, with unprecedented access to media platforms enabled by new technology having set off an ugly race to the bottom for the advertising money that’s available. Anyone who’s taken as much as three random 30-second samples of Cleveland sports talk radio over the last five years wouldn’t question this for a millisecond. There’s also what passes for content at Cleveland.com and the Plain Dealer, of course, and this excellent piece by Joe Eskenazi in the most recent SF Weekly on the rise of internet sports talk wasteland, The Bleacher Report (some highlights at Deadspin here), shows that the problem is getting worse and fast.

Even if PBS, the BBC and NPR didn’t stand out so much as a few of the only watchable/listenable outlets around anymore, one obvious solution to this problem would still be MORE subsidized media and not less. Naturally, Romney wants to go aggressively in the opposite direction, and Big Bird jokes shouldn’t distract from how horrifying this really is.

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Alright, happy Friday everyone. We’ll be back on Sunday with the Shurmurball open thread, and the rest of the weekend’s action will be in the Cheddar Bay thread as always.

  • Bryan

    One difference between Shurmur/Romney: The Browns have played very close games against two other likely playoff teams – the Eagles and Bengals – while Romney has only had one good debate. My sense is that Obama will come out guns blazing in the next two debates, making it clear that Romney’s successes in the first debate were more attributable to Obama’s effort than Mitt’s.

    Extending this to the Browns, if they keep playing close games against playoff teams late into the season, your argument that their success is due to their opponents’ lack of effort rather than their own improvement becomes less tenable.

    I actually think the Browns will continue to play close games and even win some. Of course, I think they would be even more competitive with a better HC, but I think, despite Shurmur, the Browns have begun to demonstrate that they are much improved and that they have some talent to build on…. Mitt – not so much.

    • nj0

      Frankly I’m expecting Obama to come out to the next debate in sweat pants and a white tee with Cheetos hand stains on it.

      It kinda reminds me of when I’d make the worst Pro Bowl team possible in Super Tecmo Bowl just to have a game that was somewhat challenging. Nothing quite as rewarding as seeing Tom Tupa evade Bruce Smith and find Orsen Mobley downfield.

      • Believelander

        “Yeah, no, Mitt, for sure you’ve got some great ideas on your foreign policy there, champ. I’ve got one question for you, though. Can you jam? What do you mean, what? Can you ball out? Do you know how to dunk? Well, my team has provided us with this basketball hoop and basketball so I can demonstrate to you how a real President of the United States of America balls out.” (Background music begins)

        Everybody get up, it’s time to slam now
        We got a real jam goin’ down
        Welcome to the Space Jam
        Here’s your chance, do your dance at the Space Jam, alright

        President Obama finishes his 13-1 half court trouncing of Mitt.

        “Get back at me when you’re ready for this level, son. Hillary’s got a space for you on the Cabinet, I’m sure.”

    • ClevelandFrowns

      “If they keep playing close games against playoff teams late into the season, your argument that their success is due to their opponents’ lack of effort rather than their own improvement becomes less tenable.”

      Not if these close losses keep coming amidst thorough ass-beatings by the likes of the Bills.

      Anyway, agree 100% that the Browns have more going for them than Romney does. I’m sorry if that wasn’t obvious.

      • Believelander

        Things the Browns have going for them:
        1) The Browns aren’t Mitt Romney

    • Hopwin

      Obama has always been a terrible orator live without teleprompters/extensive speaker notes. I suspect that he will get killed in the remaining debates just as he was against Hillary but will still coast to an easy win.

      The debates are meaningless when people in America no longer vote on the actions/records of the individuals but rather make their decisions based on warped perceptions of what a party’s philosophy is. Both parties exist to play “foil” to each other and convince us we have a choice, while actual policies implemented over the past 20ish years do not support that.

      • Beeej

        I watched the first 45 minutes of the “debates” and it felt like I was choosing to watching the same political commercials that have been blasting the airwaves for the last 18 months.

        • Kamov

          Exactly my feeling. All I’ve learned from presidential debates is which candidate is better at changing the subject from the question to one of their talking points.

      • Ron

        The political duopoly in this country is horribly broken and I don’t feel we have any realistic hope for change until we can break out of that. I completely agree that a big problem is people voting for a party over actions/records.

        I’ve supported the Libertarian party in the past two elections mostly as a vote of no confidence against the Democrats and Republicans. While I fully support the ideals of the Libertarians, the candidates have frankly been kooks, which certainly hasn’t helped the cause.

        This year I finally feel they have a solid candidate running. If anyone here is not familiar with Gary Johnson, I would highly recommended you look into him. Some of his ideas are pretty radical (ie ending the IRS and legalizing marijuana and treating it the same as alcohol), but he had a pretty impressive track record during his 8 years as Governor of New Mexico (he was a Republican at the time).

        I know he doesn’t have a chance to win, but I’d love to see him garner enough votes for the Libertarian party to secure the same campaign funding from the government that the Ds and Rs get and to allow them to be included in the debates.

        • Petefranklin

          Isn’t scamdicapper Wayne Root the libertiarian candidate?

      • ChuckKoz

        obama is far from “terrible” in speaking without notes/teleprompter. i mean, i know foxnews likes their teleprompter jokes, but that doesnt make them true.

        • http://twitter.com/edudak Eric Dudak

          It does. In fact, he is so bad without his teleprompter that he had to start using them during press conferences. He is basically as inarticulate as Joe Biden without it. The reason is that he must use it is because he cannot afford to go off on a tangent that will expose his true ideology to the masses. This is still a center-right country and he is a far left man. The two only match up when he hides behind the teleprompter.

          • ChuckKoz

            obviously he does not answer questions a press conference with a teleprompter. and the debates when he pounded mccain into the ground he didnt have a teleprompter. but whatever makes you feel better. i know your Obama Derangement Syndrome is really hard on you this time of year, so if teleprompter schtick is what you need, go for it.

          • http://twitter.com/edudak Eric Dudak

            McCain could not have argued his way out of a paper bag. Defeating him in a debate is easy and nothing to write home about. I didn’t like McCain all that much.

            As for his use of teleprompters at press conferences, please bother to do research before firing back. Read the attached article then tell me he didn’t do that.

            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/10/obamas-reliance-on-teleprompters/

          • Petefranklin

            The presses questions are known beforehand aren’t they?

          • ChuckKoz

            in 2000 mccain hung in with Bush. 2008 he beat the field, including the 2012 guy. but, sure.

            and, i repeat, obviously he does not answer questions at a press conference with a teleprompter. that would not be possible, as he does not have the questions given to him in advance due to our free press and whatnot. but whatever, if the an op ed in the wash times says it, and you have an eagle/flag on your side, then i guess i can’t win.

          • ClevelandFrowns

            When you click on Eric Dudak’s twitter account and search his name on google, it looks a lot like he’s an internet-bot (i.e., not a real person). I wonder if Romney 2012 has computer program.

          • BIKI024

            of coure he does, you learn to do that in campaign social media 101

  • nj0

    This may the best thing I’ve read here.

    • nj0

      may be… DAMMIT! where is the edit button?

      • ClevelandFrowns

        Thanks. You get an edit button when you register for a Disqus account.

        • nj0

          I am registered. Think it may be a browser thing.

          • Hopwin

            Ditto.

          • Beeej

            So where is your avatar?

          • actovegin1armstrong

            I logged in and it still does not work properly.
            They must have one choke point and their servers in a broom closet.
            I neo-traced them and I have more bandwidth available than they do.

        • acto

          Disqus died on me too.
          They do not do very well with their IT work.

  • p_forever

    nothing but “likes” from this corner, frowns.

    anyone wanting to see the real deal president in action should head to csu now – he is set to go on stage at krenzler field around 2:30.

    anyone wanting to see a real deal football game should hit the road to chicago immediately following obama’s speech – that way you can have a night of fun before taking in the nd v miami at soldier field tomorrow. hahaha – when it comes to debates, catholics v convicts is THE BEST.

    • ClevelandFrowns
      • p_forever

        All is forgiven so long as you’re with the good guys this time around – word from the rectory is that an Irish victory will earn loyal domer fans a papal indulgence.

        • acto

          ” word from the rectory is that an Irish victory will earn loyal domer fans a papal indulgence.”
          p_4,
          I love The Golden Dome, and I regret that I made a bad decision not to play there.
          However, in respect to your college you have got to stop throwing that hanging curve.
          What could we call “papal indulgence”?
          The first cheap joke that popped into my head involved a Boy Scout Jamboree, then there were at least ten others.
          Please do not follow the path of me and my new friend Alvaro, get a Breathalyzer for your computer.

    • smittypop2

      I will be at a bachelor party in Columbus tomorrow night, but don’t think for one second I won’t be watching the Catholics vs Convicts game and rooting my ass off!! I will also be rooting against the Yankees and Buckeyes when possible tomorrow night!! LETS GO!!!

      • p_forever

        Yay :) I knew I could count on you, Smitty.

  • smittypop2

    PS nice post Frowner!

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Thanks, Smitty. Welcome back.

  • TWMBrad

    Though certainly timely, me thinks the analogy is somewhat unfair to the extent that the Shurmer-led Browns could be compared to any regressive challenger in history that the powers-that-be (at least initially) ignored. For example, “The Browns and Facist, Nazi Germany in the Mid-1930′s Have a Lot in Common.” Sensational, possibly accurate, but unfair and kind of icky.

    p.s. I am not calling Romney a Nazi facist.

    • Believelander

      No rational human being will get their hackles up for you calling Romney a Nazi fascist.

      • http://twitter.com/edudak Eric Dudak

        I will. Fascism and Conservatism have nothing in common. Those that believe they do are betraying the lack of a solid education in their past or are simply repeating what they have heard without any sense of historical context.

        • Petefranklin

          Yes they do…they both suck.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/A-J-Sharp/2416914 A J Sharp

    So, you’ll be even more disappointed with President Romney than with Candidate Romney?

    • nj0

      The gods look down and laugh. This would be a better world for children if the parents had to eat the spinach.

  • Dood

    great post. have you seen this Vice article drawing parallels between the Jets and the US? http://www.vice.com/read/the-mercy-rule-the-jets-are-americas-team

    • nj0

      Meh. The Jets are too entertaining.

      I always saw the Belichick Patriots as the exemplars for modern America – an entrenched in-group of humorless, bland individuals worried only about results and production.

  • BigDigg

    I’ve come to accept that if Romney were to be elected we would have exactly the President that we deserve. The Rolling Stones article was spot on.

    Likewise with Browns football – I’m started to believe that we may already have the Coach and organization we deserve. Years of toxic local media coverage and pent up misguided fan frustrations have made this place nearly impossible to succeed and radioactive for elite coaching candidates. We’ve been too quick to give the hook to the few competent one’s we’ve had. Recall that the whole city thought Belichick was an idiot before Modell made that a moot point. We also let the PD vampires and superfan Dawg Pound Mike essentially seal the fate of Mangini after just 7 (!!!) games, despite the fact that his kind of roster housecleaning was absolutely overdue and necessary. Well here we are Cleveland.

    More depressingly and perhaps antithetical to what I wrote above – Shurmer still HAS to go. It’s that bad and that obvious. If it were any other previous Cleveland coach I’d probably prefer to stay the course and accept mediocrity over paper-bag over the head awfulness. Nevertheless, around and around we must go…

    • ClevelandFrowns

      I, um, see it the same way.

    • nj0

      We are in the middle of doing the same thing to the Indians as well.

      • Kamov

        With the Indians it’s a lot different. Disinterest sets in much faster for them than the Browns, so nobody was really calling for Acta’s head that loudly. If anything, firing Acta but leaving the real power, the front office guys, in charge is just scapegoating on the part of ownership. A new manager isn’t going to improve them. They need actual talent.

    • Believelander

      I’m going to keep pounding the drum for Tom Heckert. I’m not some superfan who thinks all of his draft picks are future Hall of Famers, nor am I hesitant to point out his obvious blunders. But as much as front offices make mistakes all the time, and as much as Mike Holmgren, a guy who has been regularly reported as having his fingers in the pie influencing our personnel moves, creates a toxic situation due to his desire to control everything (as it did with Mangini), I can give the guy credit. This team is younger and much more talented than it was before he became the general manager.

      The reason I want to keep pounding the drum for Tom Heckert is because if Joe Banner (President in Philly when Heckert was their GM) wants to put this team on the fast track to success, the smartest way to do that is to try to stay the course as much as possible. Joe Banner comes from a West Coast organization, and is familiar with West Coast people. That’s a good thing, because that’s what we’re building in Cleveland – it’s just so preschool on the field right now. So the coach has to go, but if you keep the GM in place, and bring in a good coach with the same kind of WCO schooling and the ability to run it in the 2010′s, we can keep taking steps forward instead of taking steps back to take steps forward.

      Basically, Shurmur and Holmgren have proven they need to go. The former has been a bad coach and the latter a bad president. You can’t objectively say that flat out Tom Heckert has been a bad GM, and unless there’s a really great proven candidate like an Ozzie Newsome coming on the market, there’s really no reason to make a change just to make a change.

    • Beeej

      disappointingly liked.

  • bupalos

    You know I disagree with this “the other team doesn’t try hard” bit, and I think you completely misread what happened if you think Obama wasn’t trying either. He was trying plenty hard, the problem was that he was flummoxed that Romney just adopted a completely different persona and spouted so much that was so incredibly unrelated to his and his party’s actual positions. Unfortunately for Obama, it’s well-nigh impossible to defeat someone who just tosses out a non-stop string of untruths at a debate, or who changes positions to seem to agree with you. You have to say, “ah, but you don’t say THAT most of the time, you say THIS, which is wrong.” And that is what Obama did. But that doesn’t play in a debate, all anyone sees is how good the other guy looks running down the field spiking the ball while you fumble around trying to make his argument and yours at the same time. Never mind that he’s running towards his own goal line, some of the crowd is confused and cheers. That’s all you’ve got there. Romney made a tactical decision to go for a short term debate win with the instant moderate-dem makeover, despite what a flake he’s going to look like with all the self-contradictory and false nonsense he had to spout to achieve it.

    He probably made a good calculation on that, too. The thing was getting out of hand and now there’s no telling how long he will be allowed to get away with the raft of lies he’s launched.

    • acto

      Bravo, I love you Bupa!

    • ClevelandFrowns

      I love you as well, bup, and I knew you would like this post. But you just said Obama was “flummoxed” by Romney. Q.E.D.

      • bupalos

        I think he temporarily was. Its at least a little confusing when a guy pulls a 180 like that. But I guess that would be pretty hard to see for a guy that can’t understand that the most critical difference between football teams is coaching, and hence continues to underestimate what the loss of mangini means to the browns. My job is to help you figure that out. There’s no reason why this blog shouldn’t be yielding free meals, free cars, and browns wins, but until its owner starts performing, its just more of the same.

        • ClevelandFrowns

          HA.

        • Believelander

          I was so momentarily flummoxed by this comment that I didn’t know what to do/say.

    • http://twitter.com/edudak Eric Dudak

      What did Romney say that was untrue? Also, what did he say that the majority of Republican’s disagree with? The further question becomes, what in the last four years has Obama done to warrant re-election? He himself said he would be a one-term president if the economy didn’t improve by now.

  • http://twitter.com/nmesha Nick

    Obama can’t be that busy running the free world if he has time to show up on the View.

    It’s too bad Gary Johnson got blocked out by the Republican party. He has good ideas, and can relate with people.

    • Believelander

      Yes, but does Gary Johnson hate The Gays and The Poors? If not, he’s got no business running a political campaign with Mitt “Champion of the Middle Class” Romney.

      • Beeej

        If he doesn’t consider women to be property then I don’t want to hear his name.

      • http://twitter.com/edudak Eric Dudak

        As a Republican/Conservative, it becomes a little tiresome to hear all the time that I, and the people I support, are a bunch of haters and that all the candidates on the left just love everyone and everything. Here is the difference between Republicans and Democrats when it comes to the poor for example. Republicans believe it is government’s job to help elevate poor people out of their poverty, thus allowing them to no longer require government assistance. That is why Welfare Reform was so popular in the 90′s. It succeeded where so many other initiatives failed. Democrats measure their compassion by how many people they can be seen helping, regardless if that assistance does anything to further the poor. That is why there is no hand wringing on the left for the record number of people who are on food stamps now while the Agriculture Department is advertising for more people to join the rolls.

        • WestPalm27

          They are actually advertising IN Mexico to enroll Mexican citizens. Its just disgraceful at this point.

        • Believelander

          Keep electing the Mitts of the world whose economic policies continually increase the gap between rich and everyone else and driving people into poverty. Mitt plans on it, Bush did it, Bush did it, Reagan did it. As for his views on homosexuality, I think Mitt’s pretty well spoken for himself on that. But please, continue your non-response to my statement with more obfuscating redirection, instead of refuting my point that Mitt Romney is anti-gay and anti-poor (and anti-middle class).

          • second_law

            The problem with this line of reasoning is that the skill premium has been widening in almost all of the developed and emerging economies over the last 25 years. This has occurred under all types of political regimes, and governments that have moved “more righ” of center and “more left” of center. Clearly there is something other than the “Mitt’s” of the world causing this. Problem is most people only want to look at simple partial correlations.

        • Petefranklin

          I thought Republicans like having poor people around so they can have slave labor readily available for their multi billion corpsorations, Dan Gilbert is a republican right?

    • http://twitter.com/edudak Eric Dudak

      I lived in New Mexico when Johnson was governor. He was very good at controlling spending and shrinking government. There was a time in the late 90′s where he was seen as a potential veep candidate for Bush 43. That was until he came out for the legalization of drugs. After that he was too toxic for a mainstream candidate.

      • Petefranklin

        Ive driven through New Mexico , the roads are shitty and the wages are terrible.

  • Believelander

    I find it interesting that things we are supposed to ignore because they are ‘relative motivation’ bear striking resemblances to positives commonly drawn from Browns losses on these same internet waves as recently as two seasons ago.

  • ChuckKoz

    great work frowns.

    still bummed that obama didn’t just step on Romney’s throat. but then again, its hard to prepare for a guy that liked 27 times in 38 minutes of talking. http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/04/958801/at-last-nights-debate-romney-told-27-myths-in-38-minutes/

    i mean, seriously, debates are premised on the idea that you cannot lie. if you did that shit in some debate team, you’d get kicked off. but romney just lied. sort of hard to prepare for. and it leaves him with only one choice: call the guy out for being a motherfucking liar. however, he is president so probably wanted to act with a bit more dignity, or something. we’ll see what happens next time.

    • http://twitter.com/edudak Eric Dudak

      What exactly did Romney lie about?

      • Petefranklin

        That he would reduce the deficit without cutting military spending for one, that obama was actually going to cut medicare when the money is actually reaccounted to medical care for the old under a different title.

      • ChuckKoz

        you are on the internet. so i assume you know how to click on the link i provided.

  • ChuckKoz

    one thing that pisses me off about the PBS thing is the response I have actually heard, “well, nickelodeon will pick it up….free market…blah”. meanwhile, these ignorant assholes don’t realize that cable isn’t free. and poor people rely on PBS’s excellent children programming for assistance (and as a dad, whose daughter is currently watching PBS’s Sprout channel now, i can attest it is great on many levels)

  • ChuckKoz

    i do have one other thinking on Romney’s “better” performance. on top of the lies, I think he felt more comfortable portraying the moderate that he probably is actually more like. being freed from the true neanderthals he had to deal with at the convention probably has him being a bit better.

    or he is a total robot and got programmed better for this debate.

    either way, he is scum and a joke. anyone that things paul ryan is smart is.

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      ok this is just bullshit.

      • ChuckKoz

        hey jim,

        i tended to assume you are more of a right-wing guy, which is fine. don’t let my bombastic statement minimize my love for your sports takes.

        however, i don’t quite get what your complaint with my comment is. possible the “scum” comment is too much? i actually think that, but i get that right-wing people think he is great. but he wants to end medicare, so he is awful to me.

        but otherwise i feel fine with the above. i really do think mitt is a moderate and that is why he did good arguing moderate positions. its actually a compliment to mitt, because it means he never could be very good at being someone he wasn’t (a teaparty guy)

        • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

          i took offense at the ‘anyone that thinks paul ryan is smart is’ scum and a joke. i didnt have my bombast filter on and the response came out.

          • ChuckKoz

            fair.

        • http://twitter.com/edudak Eric Dudak

          What is it about entitlement programs and their fiscal insolvency that is hard to understand? Medicare is bankrupt. Without structural changes it cannot survive in ant meaningful way. If being for someone who wants to attempt to save it means I am scum, then so be it. At least I believe in trying to find a solution rather than just attacking anyone who proposes changing it in any meaningful way.

          The world has changed in the last 50 years and Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security must change too. Otherwise they will all fail and drag the nation down with them.

          • ChuckKoz

            wanting to stop covering seniors health care (or any american’s) health care is a scum move. and that is exactly what the Ryan coupon for health care plan would do.

            and i love the hypocrisy in people like you. you claim to care about the solvency of these programs. well, obamacare extended the life of medicare by a decade. but you guys hate that….even though the same plan to get rid of medicare advantage is in ryan’s plan!

            and instead of attempting to make more incremental moves to extend the program for future decades, you insist blowing it up and leaving old people to literally die is the only option. yeah, thats scum.

            and social security is fine.

          • http://twitter.com/edudak Eric Dudak

            You cannot solve a thirty plus trillion dollar unfunded liability with incremental steps. Kicking the can down the road again is not an option. What will you do ten years from now?

            Of course its axiomatic that none of us has grandparents and parents who will want to use these programs. I must hate my own parents so much.

            Social Security is already in the red. If you are under 40 and think you will get it, you are dreaming.

          • Kamov

            If you think Romney is going to solve social security, I have a Big Bird suit to sell you for an almost imperceptible fraction of the federal budget. Cutting programs like PBS, or even larger ones like NASA (a favorite target of budget cutters on either side), isn’t going to free up enough money to do anything about the problem.

            It will be like the Bush years all over again. Cut symbolic things that represent the evils of government, cut taxes, but don’t cut anything serious that the majority will notice, and let the budget imbalance grow in the name of waiting for GDP growth to carry the lower tax rate to solvency. SURELY IT WILL WORK THIS TIME.

    • Believelander

      If these people elect Romney in November, I am leaving the country at my earliest ability to do so, and never coming back except to visit family. Maybe. I might make them come to me.

  • Chris P.

    Let’s get to brass tacks here.

    Willard Romney had a chance to provide the United States with the greatest two hours of television in history. BAR NONE. AND HE DID NOT DO THIS.

    A simple nomination of Chris Christie for Vice-President, and we get a Christie-Joe Biden debate next week.

    And if that doesn’t excite you in ways that are uncomfortable to admit in polite company, than you don’t like america. They’d have to televise that debate on cinemax. the first time christie gets flustered, he’s dropping f-bombs. and when you drop an f-bomb on joe biden…. GAME ON. If it goes the other way around… SAME RESULT.

    I’m getting angrier at Willard every second I think about this.

  • WestPalm27

    Wv +7

  • WestPalm27

    Awesome column. The Browns and Mitt Romney DO have a lot in common. Except one has a long track record of winning and the other consistently disappoints. One actually dominated in primetime. The others promise a lot and fail to show up. Barack Obama AND the Cleveland Browns could have done amazing things in the past 3+ years. Unfortunately, both have failed miserably.

    • Believelander

      Mitt Romney has never actually delivered on his promises. Read a book.

      • WestPalm27

        Thank you for such a detailed, intelligent response. Which book should I read that details Mitt Romney’s alleged failure to deliver on promises? Is it “Embracing Capitalism”? Is it “Saving Olympics”? Is it “How To Make A Shit Ton Of Dough Like A Muthafuckin Boss”?

        • Believelander

          It’s not my job to learn you, friend. Go learn yourself.

        • 910Derp

          He saved the Olympics with a crap-ton of federal money, which makes him ‘dependent’ and ‘hopeless’ by his own words. He also told the athletes that they didn’t build that. And folks that are born rich tend to accumulate a lot of money; especially when they don’t pay much in taxes.

      • actovegin1armstrong

        Believe,
        It is very obvious that he read a book it is so rude of you to think otherwise.
        He read, “The GOP Guide to Enslaving the Middle Classes and Eating the Poor”.

  • ChuckKoz

    WEEK 6
    Utah +14 (USC)
    *Arkansas +10 (Auburn)
    West Virginia +7 (Texas)
    Chiefs +6 (Ravens)
    Broncos +7 (Patriots)
    Chargers +3.5 (Saints)

    *Despite being logically perceived as an ass-backwards hellhole, Arkansas has done probably the most important thing in our lifetime: providing Bill Clinton. 20 million new jobs, a budget surplus, no crazy wars, and an amazing communicator that knows how to explain reality. And guess what he did: he raised taxes. And guess what the Republicans did: they claimed he killed Vince Foster, they claimed he was a drug smuggler, and the spent millions of dollars resources to find out to find out that he liked bjs.

    Meanwhile, President Obama wants to bring back some of those very tax rates, but the same joker republicans are claiming doom and gloom. Instead of recognizing the historical reality, republicans revert to the same anti-Clinton talk that Obama will kill the economy. Its really sad. Worse, they play similar Vince Foster card, with the Kenya/birth cert shit. What a bunch of unhinged lunatics. Democrat Derangement Syndome is a sad thing: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/democrat-derangement-syndrome/

    So don’t worry, Barack. Sure, the fact that you are black and were a professor probably makes them a bit more nutty, because at least Bill looked like a good ole boy. But the reality is: they would go nuts on any democrat and just make up shit. And in reality, being accused of being a Kenyan is not as bad as being accused of being a murderer. So do your damn thing.

    Meanwhile, thank you Arkansas for bringing us Bill, and some perspective.

    Oh, and btw, thank you to Bill for that amazing convention speech where you explained how well the president has done in the last 4 years and how much better he will be in the next 4 years with his reelection .

    And as far as Arkansas +10 goes, to quote a great American President: “its arithmetic”

    • http://twitter.com/edudak Eric Dudak

      The only reason Bill Clinton presided over any type of good economy is that he was forced to have a balanced budget by the Republican controlled House of Representatives.

      Tell me again exactly what Obama has done in the last three years to deserve re-election?

      • Leftyjsf

        Didn’t Al Gore have to break the 50-50 vote on Clinton’s economic package. Obstructionist since 1993. As A righty you should argue Clinton was lucky to be in right place at right time with tech boom during time of peace.

        As for Obama reelection, three words – Osama bin laden. The right claims to be the party of national defence but all talk. We got the boogie man. Mission Accomplished.

        You should want 4 more years. Obama arguably best pres. Since Reagan. Lowest taxes, gitmo still open, we violate our own laws to assassinate US citizens overseas

      • Believelander

        No, because there’s zero chance you will do anything besides dismiss it as ‘left-wing idiotic rambling’. You’ve already made up your mind. Anyway, tell us more about the 6 years of Republican controlled House AND Presidency, and how well they did for our nation.

    • Believelander

      The interesting thing is that there’s no evidence of raising taxes having some overarching negative economic impact. There’s also no historical evidence supporting “trickle-down-economics”. In fact, what can be derived from analysis of tax cuts for the rich is that it has no correlation on the non-rich besides widening the gap between rich and poor.

      The sad truth is, half of America eats this tripe up because they’re too stupid to read a book, take a class, or Google it. Proponents of trickle-down economics spout meaningless misleading stats like how a specific sector in a specific area during a specific time frame boomed; drawing correlations where there are none. By generalizing the verbiage, you make it sound plausible, and trust that the masses will not research your claims to realize that you’re lying through your teeth. Beyond that, many of them will go out of their way NOT to research the facts because they WANT to believe in your magic Wonderland fairy dust where nobody pays taxes and somehow the country runs. Partisan politics were the death of this country.

      Nice succinct page examining the veracity of the statements that tax hikes are bad for the economy and that tax cuts stimulate it, showing four economic health indicators over a roughly 50 year span.

      http://www.faireconomy.org/research/TrickleDown.html

    • Petefranklin

      Essay of the year!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1055301735 Mari Irwin

    Oh so true…I still think he was coming off a sobering conversation with the leader of Turkey and the prospect of war between Syria and Turkey… I don’t know why I think this, just that the timing fits and you know they would have spoken about the escalation there.

  • BIKI024

    The Clowns haven’t had a lead for one millisecond?? I believe they were up 6 on Philly for nearly 13 mins of 4th quarter..

    • ClevelandFrowns

      They have the current longest streak in the league of not having a lead, and it’s as long as any such streak the Browns have had since Romeo was coach. Try clicking the link.

    • Believelander

      They haven’t had a lead for just over 181 mins, since the Eagles scored with a minute and chips left in the 4th of week 1. For those of you playing the home game, that’s -REALLY BAD-.

  • Warburton MacKinnon

    At least Romney didn’t go as far as Santorum did, Rick said not only would he kill Big Bird but he would eat him too…considering that all adults know this is a guy in a costume and not actually a bird,this means Santorum is actually advocating canibalism…right?

    • Kamov

      I think I can solve this conundrum: Santorum thinks gays are subhuman, and probably also assumes the person playing Big Bird is gay since PBS is evil and promotes the gay agenda. Therefore, it won’t be cannibalism in his mind, because eating a gay is not eating a person.

      I am 95% confident this is how Santorum’s mind actually works.

      • Warburton MacKinnon

        Strangely,or sickly, umm this makes a lot of sense,even worse thanks for the help. Granted I don’t feel better about this shit..but you have made it logically consistent with what Santorum says….also I wish you were NOT right about Santorums mind.

  • DarkwingDork

    Romney rules, Obama drools. There, I’ve added my comment with the same level of intelligence as most of the posts on this page.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Franklin/100002431650806 John Franklin

    Obama eats dogs

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