Bye Week Supercharged Shurmurball Magic

by Cleveland Frowns on November 16, 2012

Is what we’re in for this Sunday with the Cleveland Browns in Dallas, and there’s no telling what the extra week to prepare will bring. Though if last year’s post-bye-week matchup is any indication, the Cowboys will score two special teams touchdowns (including one on a Pop Warner-type fake field goal), the Browns will fall behind by three scores, but Tony Romo will be injured on Dallas’s third drive to be replaced by Kyle Orton (who is no Kyle Boller) and the Browns will take advantage on their way to rolling up 260+ yards of total offense and close in for the backdoor cover on a garbage time touchdown with one minute left to play.

There’s a quote of the 2012 Browns Bye Week and it’s from Brandon Weeden:

Lost in all of this [losing and bad quarterback play] is that I’m a rookie. I’m still playing teams for the first time, I’m still seeing things for the first time. I’m making a lot of mistakes for the first time. I’m trying not to repeat them, but I’m not a nine or 10-year veteran. But I’ve got to play better. I know that. I’m not a moron.”

And in news from around the league, New York Jets owner Woody Johnson is feeling frustrated again.

“I didn’t sign up for a 3-6 season,” Johnson said at Jets practice this week. “We haven’t had one of these in a while.”

Of course, it’s at best an open question as to what Woody actually signed the Jets up for. But he definitely didn’t sign any contract to be born into the Johnson & Johnson fortune, so to the extent that his football team’s problems really aren’t in significant part a natural consequence of his own management decisions, he should be able to to take solace in the fact that not all of the unbargained-for things have gone so badly for him.

 

Alright, this is your open thread for the weekend and through Shurmurball Sunday. Hope everyone has a great one.

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

    As much as pictures of homeless people and people who get arrested in their Halloween costumes aren’t funny, if I don’t manage to plank on top of a full grown tiger in this lifetime just put the word “Failure” on my tombstone.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mattbellassai/45-people-you-wont-believe-actually-exist-6z51

    • http://www.autismspeaks.org/ PML

      I have a sudden desire for some cow after reading that.

    • Believelander

      Not even gonna front, pictures of a guy getting arrested in a cow comstume are pretty funny.

  • GrandRapidsRustlers

    Reason #478 why I could never be an NFL GM.

    I would be openly trolling the Jets with a daily phone call asking about Sanchez. You have to understand that we are really kind of comfortable with our offensive line here and we like what we see with your young QB there and you DO have Tebow…hang up laughing.

    Repeat daily.

    Brandon Weeden stating that he is not a moron is priceless. That kind of talk will not fly in this locker room Brandon. Childress spent the bye week explaining what moron means to Shurmur.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      This team has made it so that polemics are completely useless against them. Shurmurball has neutered the fanbase in a way never before seen in the NFL.

      • GrandRapidsRustlers

        Dammit. Everyone here is smarter than me.

        Heads to google…types in polemics.

        • actovegin1armstrong

          Well…. Perhaps almost everybody, I do not understand enough to know for sure.

      • Bernietocatcherguy

        how so?

        • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

          Um, Shurmurball. Something something something grown ass 29 year old man in a Browns uniform saying in public,”lost in all of this (sucking) is (excuse excuse excuse)” and nobody being able to do anything but shrug. Shurmurball.

        • Bernietocatcherguy

          I give him a break because it’s only his first, first year. When we get to his 2nd or even 3rd first year then lets put down the umbrella drinks and make sure he doesn’t throw more interceptions.

          • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

            Exactly.

    • Bernietocatcherguy

      Actually Childress just put the explanation on the laminated play sheet for the game on Sunday. He tried explaining it to Shurmur, but then Shurmur called a timeout because he couldn’t get it in time. The playsheet improves the efficiency.

  • BIKI024

    re: Damien Woody – i think everyone appreciated the roster Tannenbaum put together with the undoubted help from Mangini. But yes, the roster is not where it was 3 years ago, mainly due to age of the LB corps, and of course injuries to their 2 best players (Revis and Holmes)

    Mr. Woody also has $25 million reasons to be in Mangini’s corner (contract he got from Jets in 2008), not to mention they are working together at ESPN. with the various coaching vacancies that seem like there will be popping up next month, it seems that Mangini is starting the push to get back in the game.

    • Believelander

      So wait, Tannenbaum put together the roster, but Mangini had input, but Woody is backing Mangini because of his contract he got from Tannenbaum because it was Mangini and because he works at ESPN?

      Got ya.

      • BIKI024

        exactamundo

        • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

          What’s he’s proven to be a master of is putting together football teams that can beat any other team in the league, even with bad quarterbacks. With the Browns he started about 30 million light years behind where he started in New York yet was plainly on his way to doing the same thing here. It’s become so apparent in the wake of his departures from both of these teams that it’s a wonder that alarms don’t go off every time you try to post anything about either of them anywhere on the internet.

          • BIKI024

            yes, we won 10 games out of 32 under him, with a few wins against good teams who probably overlooked us, especially since we had bad quarterbacks. i guess the bar is set so low around here that a few wins is cause for coach of the century honors.

            it will be interesting to see how much he and his agent have done the past couple years to improve his reputation with GM’s in the league and who your new favorite team will be. i probably should squat on jacksonvillefrowns.com while it’s still available…

          • BIKI024

            “i think i can, i think i can..”

          • bupalos

            >>>that can beat any other team in the league, even with bad quarterbacks.>>>

            Not that we haven’t been through all this, but at least with the Browns there were exactly 2 “beat any other team in the league” type wins. One came against his old team, in the other we had signed their defensive captain, and got some special teams scores. (That N.O. team also threw some other serious stinkers that year.)

            They were great wins, no doubt. So was Romeo Crennel’s big win that made the Browns the only team to beat the Giants in a stretch of 19 games (11 before, 7 after) .

            With all the openings coming up I have a feeling we will be getting more Mangini data to add to the pile next year. I fully expect him to do well, but I don’t think a tag team of Jesus, Budda, and Voodoo-man could live up to the kind of expectations engendered by your dilated accounts of his past feats of strength.

          • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

            Re Jesus, Buddha and voodoo man, a head coach of the Browns who could “do well” is worth all of those things.

          • BIKI024

            while there may be a few openings, it seems that Philly, SD and Carolina as the spots i could see him going.

            KC – as long as Pioli is there, there will be no shot Mangini will be there.

            NYJ – I doubt they can Rex, but the damage Sandy did to NJ/NY wouldn’t hold a flame to what Jet fans would do if Woody brought Mangini back.

            DAL – maybe the Browns could do EM a big favor by beating the Boys and shoving JG halfway out the door. but would Jerry really go for Mangini? nah.. BIG SHOW!

            CLE – uh, keep dreaming Frownie

          • etc

            What about DC openings? Or would he hold out of a head coaching gig?

          • etc

            er, _for_ a head coaching job.

          • BIKI024

            i don’t think he thinks he’s above being a DC again, albeit he was only DC for 1 season..

          • Believelander

            The narrative that Scott Pioli hates/won’t work with Eric Mangini is convenient stupidity because there’s no evidence and people won’t stop throwing this flapjack up against the wall no matter how many times it peels off. Scott Pioli withdrew from the Browns GM consideration after the Browns’ inane owner went off the rails and hired a coach then told that coach to hire a GM. Shocker! If I were looking for a job being a guy’s boss, I’d TOTALLY hire in at the company where the guy who I’m supposed to be the boss of gets to choose me to be hired. Pioli obviously therefore just has a hateboner for Mangini. It all makes sense.

            Does he actually dislike the guy? Maybe. Links or it didn’t happen.

          • BIKI024

            the evidence is straight from the mouth of my buddy Mike Cesario, whose bro is the GM for the Patriots. they don’t like Mangini and think he’s a rat, for several reasons, but mainly due to that little thing called Spygate and stealing a bunch of coaches and players..

          • Believelander

            So he’s just as big of a rat bastard as Bill Belichick and the rest of the coaches/GMs/Presidents/Owners who would snake their own mother for a chance to get on top in the NFL. But yeah, Mangini. Biggest snake of all the snakes.

          • BIKI024

            dude, it’s different when you’re family members.. heck Piolo introduced Mangini to his future wife! sometimes it hurts more when you’re own brother stabs you in the back.. it’s been several years so maybe time heals all wounds, just as EM says about his relationship with BB: “it’s a work in progress”. and Mangini is also on record saying (just like Lebron) that he regrets how it went down..

  • BIKI024

    CHEDDAR PLAYS:

    NC STATE +17
    COLORADO +20.5
    NOTRE DAME -24
    J-E-T-S jets Jets JETS +3.5

    • BIKI024

      ESSAY: J-E-T-S jets Jets JETS

      The team that everyone loves to hate will make the trip over flyover country for a much needed win in STL. While both teams are ridiculously inconsistent as they come, I am hopeful that the Jets do just enough to hang in this game, and hopefully win it SU to get the lynch mob off their back for a few hours before another anonymous player rips on a dude who plays 10 plays a game.

      While it’s still early, everyone and their grandma is on the Rams. The Jets offense has obviously been strugglin, but their pass defense has been pretty good and I think they stifle Bradford and Amendola, which leaves it up to Steven Jackson to potentially be the x-factor, but it ain’t 2006 no more SJax!

      I’m cautiously optimistic that Sanchez has finally gotten over being dumped by Eva and he pulls his head out of his ass and improves on his LEAGUE WORST 52% completion percentage. sweet feathury jesus Marky Mark, let’s get it going!

      Shonne Greene gets 20+ carries for the Jets COVER.

      • BIKI024

        forgot that Schotty was the OC with the Rams.. I think Rex and Pettine know all too well how he calls a game, so I’m hopeful that gives the Jets a slight advantage as well..

  • Bryan

    This is a classic Frowns post with just the right balance of snark, indignation, and knowledge dropped.

    Come on Weeds! We need you to be good so we don’t have to waste another pick on QB again.

  • Jim

    RE: John Husted being the worst, the Sixth Circuit granted his request for stay pending his appeal of Judge Marbley’s ruling from earlier this week. Obviously not an outright overruling of Judge Marbley’s opinion but it has the same basic effect and predicts the eventual overturn of his ruling.

  • Todd

    Rob Ryan talking about his bitterness towards Brown’s management.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4701493/the-whole-truth-rob-ryan-has-beef-with-browns

    • Believelander

      That sounds like one pissed off Wolfman. With extra motivation for him to shove in Fat Walrus’s face the enormity of his mistake, I expect his defense to try to go for the throat to put the Browns out of the game in the first quarter.

      And all he has to do is beat Shurmurball.

  • Bryan

    Bill Simmons has discovered Shurmurball.

    “My prediction: Trailing by eight in the final minute of the fourth quarter, the Browns score a semi-miraculous touchdown, then Pat Shurmur blows the game by mistakenly kicking the extra point … only Jason
    Garrett mistakenly ices the kicker with a timeout right before the extra point, leading to the Browns then running Trent Richardson into an 11-man Cowboys line to lose the game. Hey, speaking of football teams that God hates…”

  • http://twitter.com/JRichTCF Jeff Rich

    Maybe I’m just mesmerized because he, quite frankly, is the best option that the Browns have now, and have had at the quarterback position for a while. I wasn’t okay with “having fun”, not while he was losing, but I’m okay with that bit. I can’t say that I’m a fan of excuses, but I can accept real-live reasons.

    This shit is hard; only 32 people get to do it, and only a small percentage of them do it well. Weeden isn’t among that small percentage, or even close to it, at the moment. At this point, he reminds me of the forgettable former University of Arizona quarterback turned reality TV personality Ortege Jenkins of the original Hard Knocks fame. In what was about the farthest thing from a recruiting moment for John Mackovic and the Wildcats, the Ravens sent their turk to get Ortege, and he was basically told that no NFL team would spend the time to correct how poorly coached he was before getting to his first rookie camp…but other than that, he was great.

    I think that Weeden’s problems can be addressed with good coaching; a concept foreign to the Cleveland Browns entity for a long while now. Could Shurmur-Ball have caused such a regression that it’s too late for the man to recover. There’s a lot of raw talent there, but can Banner find someone that can properly channel it, and adjust a system to work with it?

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      Like. Thanks for this.

  • actovegin1armstrong

    My apologies to The Executive Committee for my egregious error.

    ****Please change to Saints -4.5 for my essay****

    Essay: Pirelli may ruin Formula One in the USA with yet another tire disaster.

    They brought Hards and Mediums to a track where the teams will at least need Softs, if not Softs and Super Softs.

    They are so fearful of another Indy debacle that they drastically over-corrected in the wrong direction. This could mean complete carnage on Sunday. Virtually everyone was washing their front ends out in turn 19. When they were on the hard compound you could see everyone sliding around like they were racing in the rain. The only thing that could save the day would be rain. If it rains then the teams can spend the race on Intermediates or Full Wets and not have to touch the Mediums or Hards.

  • rodofdisaster

    Ohio(L)

    Mizzou -4.5

    UTSA -6.5
    West Virginia +11

    Buccaneers -1.5

    Essay: Saints -3.5

    It used to be that everyone made fun of Al Davis for being that crazy owner/GM/talent evaluator because he would do things like fire Lane Kiffin (for cause) and go to the trouble of going public with a letter about why Kiffin was a liar and a general cad. As much as he was “Jerry Jones without the Brooks Brothers’ Suits” and looked more like he belonged in Boca playing Mahjong with the gals…he was on to something.

    “The quarterback must go down and he must go down hahd”

    The Raiders simply couldn’t ever get past Davis’ bad decisions to let his really good ones play out. Speed kills; and Al never lost sight of that.

    Unfortunately for Raiders fans, the defense isn’t very fast right now. The QB can’t be protected and, guess what? Drew Brees is coming to town. Expect an aerial show of epic proportions. If Joe Flacco hung 55 on these guys, what’s Drew Brees gonna do?

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    roll? gordon’s roll?
    is there a stop-drop-and-roll play on the laminated card this week? end-around with somersault?

    cripes.

  • dwhalen

    $$$Washington -20.5 @ Colorado.$$$

    The Buffs are allowing 47.2 points per game. That, my friends, is dead last in the FBS. They score 17.6 per game. That is good for 118th of 124. Their one win, against Washington State, is, without question, by accident–and only by 1 point.. Not sure I’ve seen a team this bad in a long time. Not to mention, their last 6 losses have been by an average of 40 points each. FORTY! Soak that in. Do you know how hard it is to lose one game by 40, let alone keep that pace for half a season? Add another 54 point loss to Fresno State, a loss in week two to a I-AA team with a 6-4 record, and a week one loss to I guess their in-state rival Colorado State (who is 3-7). They are fucking horrible. The worst.

    Iowa State -6 @ Kansas. Remember that whole Weis, Weis baby rap from week 2? Yeah, well had I known that Kansas’ only win of the season would come against a Division-II team, I probably wouldn’t have written it. Except for that part where it might win me a sweet Tim Couch bottle of bourbon. Kansas is fucking horrible too.

    Rams -3.5 v Jets. I really am not sure if this is the week we finally get some extensive Tebow action. And until we do, I will pick whoever plays the Jets and Dirty Mark Sanchez. He also fits into the fucking horrible category.

    Saints -4.5 @ Raiders. The Saints defense is fucking horrible. With that said, we are seeing the Saints pick up steam on offense and I’m thinking they take care of business out on the west coast.

    Ravens -3 @ Pittsburgh. I’m sticking with this pick because Byron Leftwich looked fucking horrible last week when he made his way into the game.

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    @clevta with the call on hazell to tennessee.

    fun topic: coaching musical chairs. use this as the guide of hotseats.

    below is what i pencilled in last week. what say y’all?

    bc — hazell from kent
    cal — deruyter from fresno (macintyre has no offense at sjsu)
    auburn — dykes from latech
    maryland — niumatalolo from navy
    tenn — dooley stays
    iowa — ferentz stays
    cmu — ?
    purdue — doeren from niu
    usm — ?
    ku — weis gets another year

    —more hot seats—
    ncst — berry from ulm
    uconn — ault from nevada clawson from bgsu
    vatech — beamer stays
    uva — lembo from ball st
    colo — andersen from usu
    hawaii — chow stays somehow

    taggart to browns.

    • etc

      Hazell to Browns yo!
      No seriously, congrats to Kent and Hazell, what a season.

      Does Kiffin last at USC?

      • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

        errr…….. they gotta give him another year? right?
        ennh. maybe not. THAT (usc) could be a taggart landing spot.

        my take on the browns is that they go young, ie, sub 40 years old. see steelers, pittsburgh. “With Tomlin, the Steelers continued a trend of hiring head coaches in their 30s. The others were Cowher (age 34 in 1992), Chuck Noll (38 in 1969), Bill Austin (38 in 1966), John Michelosen (32 in 1948), Jim Leonard (35 in 1945), Aldo Donelli (33 in 1941) Walt Kiesling (35 in 1939), Johnny “Blood” McNally (33 in 1937) and Joe Bach (36 in 1935).” so yeah, why not hazell? all he needs to be is not a slave to some offense that was successful in the 80s.

        • etc

          >> they gotta give him another year? right?

          No idea, I’m not sure what his contract is, but the page you linked to says 3+ million a year. That seems awfully high for a pretty pedestrian season with a 3rd year starting qb in Barkley. But mostly I’m parroting someone on twitter, so don’t mind me.

          I really hope the next Browns HC has some media savvy. The reporters here are crap. Dealing with them properly would be an enormous success.

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            holy crap. NIAGARA FALLS. you said it. someone ANYONE sit these browns employees down and tell them: “these reporters are idiots. they have nothing to report on. i NEVER want to hear the word ‘NEGATIVITY’ from you. stay upbeat. you report to me. not the reporters. do not show any fear. never say anything but goodness toward the cleveland browns nation.’ how effing hard is that?

            i saw weeden’s interview where MKC why trying to get him to talk about fans being pissed and i was like ‘no brandon. dont do it!!’

          • actovegin1armstrong

            “Step by step, inch by inch.”

    • GrandRapidsRustlers

      Jon Embree is going nowhere at Colorado.

      They won’t can a Colorado guy who needs far more time to clean up the mess of Dan Hawkins. As long as Bill Mccartney stands by him he is going to be just fine. That and CU does not have the money to buy out another coach.

      All of that being said I have watched every play of every game and it really hurts this year.

      Also Friday afternoon vs Utah may set a record for the shortest Senior day ceremony ever.

      As far as my Browns list it stays the same.

      Chip Kelly. Chris Petersen. David Shaw.

      I would rather have a college coach than an NFL coordinator or a coach on a 2nd or 3rd chance (unless it’s Mangini)

    • BIKI024

      Tagger has lost 3 games in a row my friend.. he is falling out of favor to even keep his job for a team who was Divison II just a couple years ago and you want him as the Browns HC? sweet feathury jesus

      • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

        lol. seriously he should win all his games because that’s the only metric available to measuring coaching proficiency.

        thinking like this is how romeo crennell gets a three year contract extension.

        • BIKI024

          he’s barely in Division I dude, and losing to terrible teams! not to mention he’s never sniffed an NFL locker room, but you want him to be the next Head nukka in charge?? yikes. maybe just maybe he should be an RB coach first, just like he was when he was in Stanford under Harbaugh. speaking of, wonder why Harbaugh didn’t bring him up to the NFL…

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            * he’s actually a head coach.
            * he’s been a winner as player.
            * still holds records at this barely Divison 2 school that spawned not one but two playoff winning NFL coaches.
            * he breathed the air in palo alto which increases everyones IQ by 20 points.

            * he’s under 40.

            that’s five bullets in 30 seconds that make him more qualified than the current coach.

          • BIKI024

            so the bar is set on the current coach? child please. maybe he will end up being a great NFL HC someday, but not next year..

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            i know and ive got some ‘hyperbole-understood’ going on here with my taggart luv.
            but i continue to like what i see from him.
            would also add that you learn a lot about coaches from their defeats and their reactions as well as their wins.

  • nj0
  • Peter

    CLE over Dal
    DEN over SD
    If Broncos fan and went out and bought a Manning jersey and the Tebow jersey with a cross is now collecting dust, is Broncos fan a bad Christian? How awkward is it if Broncos fan thought divine intervention was the key to last year’s play-off run? Is it a sin to cheer for a a HOF qb? Ok, I will stop.
    SF over CHI
    TEX over JAX
    ATL over ARI

    • Kamov

      Tebus sacrificed himself that the Broncos might have Peyton. After 3 years riding the bench in New York, he will rise again and ascend to the playoffs when he is traded to Jacksonville. In Tebus’ name we pray. A-touchdown.

  • nj0

    I am not familiar with this team playing today.

  • nj0

    Why call a time out to force a punt before the half and then just run the clock out? Why? How is it that Shurmur can put together a half like that and still leave me shaking my head?

    • BIKI024

      If we get a good return there then maybe you try to get in FG range.. i thought his challenge was more head shaking then using a timeout there. Playcalling, clock mgmt, etc aside this season, the one thing Shurmur has done well is keeping the guys motivated and playing hard, let’s hope we all get rewarded with a win inspite of his deficiencies as a HC..

      • nj0

        True. Was probably the smart, prudent way to play things.

  • http://www.autismspeaks.org/ PML

    Shurmur is determined to not let Garrett out-Shurmur him today.

    • Kamov

      3rd and 10 in OT, throw 5 yds to a guy with two defenders in front of him. Shurmurball.

      • BIKI024

        If only the coaches could play the game like Madden..

        • Kamov

          I’m sure you don’t believe that, so I have to wonder why you would say that. I hope it’s not because you think that’s what I’m advocating, because I’m having trouble seeing how I even implied that with my post.

          • Believelander

            Kamov, because you were critical of Mike Holmgren/Pat Shurmur, Biki the Troll had to detach his face from both their butts long enough to say something stupid and irrelevant in their defense.

          • BIKI024

            if only he pushed the O button!!!

          • Kamov

            What’s the O button do. I am huge Madden fan as u know and want to learn better play with MADDEN for NFL coaching experienceing. Will it allow me HAIL MARIES to endzone more easily? I find this good Madden strategy it works 1 times out of four downs and then you punt if it does not and intercept with defense to get four more Hail Marys to get touchdown. I advocate for SHURMUR to play this way and would like to use O BUTTON to do it more bettter so what does O button do please. Thank u for help.

        • Believelander

          I know right? The way Madden played the coaching game earned him a 76.3 win%

  • munasrevenge

    I… just…. I….

    SMH.

  • nj0

    In two seasons of bad losses, that may have the most painful one yet. Just brutal. After witnessing that, I no longer believe in God. I will never experience joy or love again.

    • BIKI024

      why so serious? yes a win has a lot of short term benefits, particularly for the fans, but i don’t think there is any quit in the guys on the roster who are too young and hungry and that there is any long term damage done by losing this one.. just like i feel with the Cavs this year, tough losses and increasing our chances in the draft order is what we need to complete our roster for the future, especially since we are committed to the youth.

      it seems to me that if we can get that monster named Jones from Georgia, we have top-tier talent on each level of the defense and offense..

      just like the buckeyes last year with a sitting duck coach, we now just pray for a legit coach to have confidence in the wealth of talent we have and should build on with another solid draft this offseason..

      • Believelander

        I want you to understand that I mean this purely in the spirit love and friendship.

        Fuck off. Just fuck off, Biki. Quit trolling Browns fans.

        • BIKI024

          while i may not own a PSL, i’ve put my money where my heart is on this team and I’m as big of a Browns fan there is, at least when it comes to the hours of time i spend paying attention to them. you play to win the game, of course, but we’re just not there yet and just like the cavs and it seems @Cavsdan is resigned to, you have to build via the draft. cuz no one, i mean no professional athlete wants to live in Cleveland unless they have to.

          • Believelander

            Please continue to sound like an idiot, J-E-T-S fan.

          • BIKI024

            LOL, so professional athletes like living in CLE? hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha.

          • Believelander

            Keep regurgitating New York media/ESPN bullshit story lines. Know why free agents don’t come to Cleveland sports teams? Yes, by the way, I am sure that you would choose someplace balmy and fantastic over Cleveland, but no, that’s not ‘why’. Free agents sign/re-sign in northern towns with shitty weather and nothing to do all the time. Green Bay is a fucking nuclear wasteland for shit for bored youth millionaires compared to Cleveland, and yes, they build through the draft, but they also re-sign guys who don’t HAVE to play for Green Bay. And sign free agents.

            The reason NFL free agents don’t go to Cleveland is because their fucking organizations are organizational disasters. The Browns organization is a burning dumpster. A nightmare. It’s not because of your lazy plucked-from-SportsCenter idiocy about professionals not wanting to live in Cleveland.

            Let’s be serious here – you constantly shit on Cleveland and the Browns while pretending to be this great Browns/Cleveland fan. Get a life and just stay in god-awful New York City, and continue to root for the most putrid, classless organization in professional sports.

            Actually, I take that back. The Jets aren’t nearly as bad as the Marlins.

    • Believelander

      I don’t know why I can’t just start being numb to it all, but try as I might to not care, my guts just keep churning like there’s frag grenades going off in there.

    • Beeej

      I came up with almost the exact same line walking my dogs after the came. “After that game I am convinced of two things. 1. God is a Browns fan. 2. There is no God.”

  • ChuckKoz

    which i could have watched, but directtv just reached a new low. the local LA CBS cut out of the final minute of the browns/cowboys game to cover the chargers game. so then i go the channel in the 700s that should have the game, but it claimed blacked out. so basically cowboys and browns fans had no option to see the end of the 4th and overtime.

    whatever, they lost. if the browns did get the ball, i am sure all i missed was weeden throwing a bad pass on 1st down, a short run on 2nd down and then throwing some pass short of the marker on 3rd.

    if dallas got it, i presume they just lobed it up hoping for a penalty

  • mddawg

    I wasn’t expecting the Browns to win but I must say this is the most
    biased officiating I’ve ever witnessed. There were at least three
    blatant non calls: The phantom first down by Bryant or Austin, Blatant
    false start by
    Dallas’ O line, Ogletree penalty was no different from Cribb’s hit in
    the Baltimore game.

    On
    another note, shout out to our receivers for bailing out Weeden today
    after all the grief they’ve received from the Cleveland media and fans.
    BTW I had to pick another screen name as Disqus wouldn’t let me log in with my Yahoo account. (Formerly known as S.A)

    • BIKI024

      Ward’s hard hitting ways made it look like a PF since he hit Ogletree so hard, and LEGALLY. there was no leading with helmet or forearm to helmet, it was a clean play that looked a lot worse than it was simply because Ogletree’s punk ass went limp. oh well, it is what it is

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    i got no real problems with shurmur today. i liked most everything i saw from the WRs and weeden. liked the WRs (greg little) a LOT.

    could they have won? yeah probably.

    but the biggest factor in this game was indeed the trial lawyer/ fully-pensioned referee. and mike pereira: you’re a log-rolling putz for the attached tweet regarding the clear cowboys fumble in OT. look out for your own and take care of the national team. dick.

    • BIKI024

      Trent had 34 touches.. with only 3.5 yard per touch just like Haden he gets a pass since he’s a fan favorite.. and then of course Shurmur gets blamed for everything since nobody likes him.. why did Trent jump from the 2 yard line on that 3rd and goal??? POUND IT TRENT!

      • Believelander

        No, Biki. no. 95 rush + 49 pass = 144. 144 / 34 = 4.23529 yards per touch. Which is not 3.5 yards per touch, it’s 4.2 yards per touch, which is over 4 yards per touch. Keep shilling, bud. On, and he would have had problems pounding it on that 3rd and goal because our O-line got penetrated like an adult film star on that play.

        • BIKI024

          my bad, thanks for clarifying bud. i was goin on the YPR, which was still pedestrian. fact remains is that he, along with Haden are fan faves and get passes..

          and i would appreciate you refrain from calling me names dude, not cool. we may disagree but at least keep it kosher.

          • Believelander

            Maybe some day I’ll apologize for it, but probably not. The constant litany of excuses is equally maddening from you as it is from Shurmur. And the excuses are crap. Garbo. Nonsense. Poo. Dookie. Ether. Gas. Smoke. Noise. Static. Interference.

            Richardson didn’t have a fantastic game against a top 10 NFL defense. The fact is, your constant slant is to give Shurmur a pass. Don’t even get me started, by the way, on his coaching today. The players do need to execute better, but as YOU constantly say, they’re young and inconsistent. The problem is, Shurmur constantly, every game, puts them in a worse position to succeed with his own game run as the coach. Every. Single. Week. Ultimately, it’s the players, but you can’t win when your coach puts you in a hole before the players ever make a play.

          • BIKI024

            agreed that excuses are crap, but the players have to make plays. time after time we see open receivers and holes for guys to hit and dropped balls which is more on the players than coaches they fail. i’m not advocating for Shurmur to stay on next year, but not sure he’s as incompetent as you armchair coaches/qb’s make him out to be.

          • Believelander

            No, he’s really that bad. The only dap I will give him is that the players have gotten back to mostly playing hard this year even if they’re undisciplined chaos. Oh, and the offensive line is good. Quite good. Honestly I wonder if he wouldn’t be a really good offensive line coach. Which brings us to the problem of US management philosophy – guys who are really good at something often get promotions until they’re promoted to a position where they’re no longer competent.

            If your guy’s really good at making pancakes, don’t promote him to make wedding cakes. It’ll just piss off Browns fans who just want a win now and again.

        • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

          liked for ‘penetrated like an adult film star.’
          would double-like if i could for good, clean biki-sparring. carry on gents.

    • Believelander

      Wasn’t going to pile on Shurmur, but okay, now it’s gotta happen.

      A) With streamlined play calling eliminating timeout issues, Shurmur made sure to find more creative ways to waste timeouts, like challenging a play that had a 0.-3% chance of being overturned.
      A)1) the spot on that 3rd and 1 conversion was fine.

      B) Now with one less timeout in your pocket, you call your last timeout before the half to give you about 90 seconds after a punt, where the opposing field position while punting meant you had a very low chance of getting the ball outside your 20. Since you’re just going to try to run the clock out anyway when you don’t get the ball at like the 40+ (where you’d probably just blow a bunch of time on a draw run anyway), you essentially just called a time out for the opponents.
      B)1) If you are in bad field position with 50 seconds on the clock and a timeout (or hell, 2 if you don’t make bonehead challenges) you’re in way better shape to take some shots downfield without angsting over the opponent getting the ball back with lots of time on the ticker, as well as timeouts to give you a chance to take deep shots in the open field and stop the clock, get in scoring range, and extend your lead vs. a ‘sleeping giant’ offense that could wake up at any moment.
      B)2) OK, fine, we didn’t do any of that, so we are going to just run out the clock now. Ok fine, you got a 2nd and 1 and didn’t decide to at least take ONE deep shot to try to get close to field goal range with over half a minute on the clock. Fine, you got the first down, cool, now we can just kneel the clock out. Instead we run up the middle again and get our running back cruise missile-tackled by 3 guys. Did you think he was breaking a 78 yarder against cover 4 on a gut run? Or did you just want to chuck him up the middle pointlessly?

      C) With 2:05 in regulation, 1st and goal, down by 4, and opponents with 3 time outs, you snapped the ball and ran a play. Why did you run a play? The 2 minute warning stops the clock and it’s now 2nd down with 2:00 instead of 1st down with 2:00. The latter scenario would have run 5 extra seconds off the clock even if our 4 downs had played out identically, and forced Dallas to either blow all 3 time outs or allow the clock to run down to about a minute so they could keep one in their pocket. Reprehensible game management.

      D) More to come when I figure out how to watch this again.

      Disclaimer: the Browns players made lots of mistakes, but they also played way above their heads at times against a much more talented squad. Buster Skrine may have had his nuts busted all day for his sometimes foolish penalties, but even though Dez Bryant had a good game, Jason Witten, Miles Austin, and Ogletree all had quiet performances and the Cowboys only scored 20 in regulation, which was a solid defensive showing in my book against a dangerous offense with our #1 defender missing. I also want to give Shurmur some slack because the refs called so much horse shit both ways, but there was way more horse shit dumped on the Browns than the Cowboys. There’s also something to be said for coaching your players not to put themselves in a spot where refs can ‘judgment call’ against them. I’m just so ugh right now, but Shurmur continues to be the weak link that is the one thing you can point at EVERY week that’s killing this team.

      • BIKI024

        since i’m the official troller to defend Shurmur.. i really don’t see how your points A and B have anything to do with the outcome of the game.. i agree that the guys upstairs should’ve told him that Jones got the first down there, but don’t see how an extra timeout would’ve helped us the last 45 seconds of the 1st half.

        as far as point B, you call a timeout there to see if the special teams unit can make a play, which it didn’t..

        i mostly AGREE with point C, not sure why they felt they wanted to run a play there, UNLESS they felt that they could catch the Cowboys sleeping and thinking that we would run it out..

        bottom line, Trent Richardson pops it in there on 3rd and Goal and all your points are invalid. shoulda coulda woulda

        • Believelander

          Biki, did you watch the Browns game?

          If Richardson pops it in on 3rd and goal, the Cowboys get the ball off a kickoff instead of their opposing 1, with more time on the clock than they had when they eventually drove and tied the game. It in fact would not have been all invalid. It wouldn’t have won them the game any more than the subsequent touchdown to Watson won them the game. Again, this is you throwing pancakes at the wall, and them not having any fact gluteny-stickyness (bad analogy). Your flapjacks are DRY, Biki.

          You don’t really have to answer the question about which game you watched at 1:00 btw.

          • BIKI024

            again, your Points A and B are a joke.. there were many more things that caused our demise than your 2 examples. maybe after you watch the tape you’ll get some better evidence.

            again, Shurmur is as good as gone, just seems like you like to complain to complain. maybe cuz you live in cleveland! hahahahahahaha

          • Believelander

            hahahhahahahahhahahahaha its funny because Cleveland sucks!!!111!!oene!!!e!!1 It totally makes good sense because New York fans lose their shit every year that their teams don’t win every championship in every sport! (except for NY basketball fans…poor blokes) so Cleveland fans are so the mostest overreactionariesist! Troll troll trolltrolltrolololololololololol.

            My points weren’t that Shurmur’s decisions noted above specifically cost us the game (although him running a play before the 2 minute warning in the 4th was a definite contributor). Again, this is you redirecting, putting words in someone’s mouth, claiming they profess something they didn’t. The point is these decisions lower our chances of success every time he makes one. As a cumulative body of work, Pat Shurmur subtracts expected points from the Browns every week and that frustrates me to no end. Maybe because I’m a Browns fan and not a Jets fan who finds it funny when the Browns lose.

          • BIKI024

            i don’t find it funny, but it helps ease the pain when i win money on them.. and when i look at the big picture and feel that he’s a lame duck coach and don’t see any harm to the team if we lose close games and stay in the race for a Top 5 pick in which we could get a difference maker to help the new administration get us back to respectability.

            yes, i’m a fan of teams in the city where i live, whoop de friggin do (except the yankees).

          • Kamov

            Biki, it is, as always, incredibly classy whenever you inform us about how much money you’re making. It is hard to put into words how much my respect for you rises whenever I hear about how much more dolla dolla bills you are making than the common peeps.

          • BIKI024

            My only point is that i have no problem with the Browns staying in games and developing the young guys while giving us a great chance to get a disruptive player in next year’s draft to help us in the long run.. and yes, winning my bets helps me take the losses better.. the Browns are now 11-5-1 ATS in last 17. not sure what that has to do with the “common peeps”.

          • Kamov

            My only point was that it is incredibly classy to tell people about how much money you make betting on the Browns and that it is good for your reputation to tell people about it, because making more money than others is how you are better than them. I mean, yes, that is why my respect for you rises to levels I cannot describe – probably due to some inadequacy in my command of the English language. I’m not sure how you got the idea that it was about marshmallow candies that are traditionally only seen around Easter?

          • BIKI024

            In case you didn’t notice, there is a lot of talk about wagering on football on this blog. In fact there is a big competition sponsored by this site as well in which there are rankings and everything. I guess all of us participants are classless for discussing our wins or losses. Good grief

          • Kamov

            Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Well, that and how much I want Madden 2012 to be the model for Pat Shurmur’s coaching. Those two things are what I am clearly advocating, deep in the subtexts of my subtexts.

            Seriously, only you could have realized that discussing wins and losses is the same as discussing money. I guess those two completely different things are practically the same thing? A different world than mine, if so.

          • Believelander

            I saw you advocate! It’s in the subtextual penumbras of the minutes of the details of Biki’s warped mind!

          • Believelander

            Nothing makes the losses better for us plebs. You lofty betting bourgeoisie obviously don’t understand that in your crystal palaces of sports ambivalence.

            But hey, after reviewing the play, here’s the REAL reason the Browns lost, summed up in a single headline:
            http://tinyurl.com/be49em3

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    moving on to draft talk…

    im a big jarvis jones fan but i think we’re now past the ‘best athlete available’ phase and now drafting for need.

    we have a BEAST d-line. potentially an all-time great line. sheard-winn-hughes-rubin-taylor-rucker in rotation. BEAST my friends. there are four fresh BEASTS at all times. it’s awesome.

    i think robertson, jmj are pleasant enough surprises that my want of an impact LB is put on hold.

    i want help for the DBs. thus i say we trade back into the teens and pick up a second. with those picks we grab the best DBs on the board in both rounds.

    thoughts?

    • GrandRapidsRustlers

      David Amerson. NC State. I love big corners.

      • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

        seriously.
        the seahawks are doing it all with big corners.
        how bout DeMarcus Milliner from bama?

        (i can never tell who’s coming out and who isn’t.)

        • GrandRapidsRustlers

          Yeah…trying to figure out who is coming and going is almost impossible.

          Just give me someone who can move over 6 feet tall and can tackle. I’m not worried about breakneck speed because our front four has proven they can get to the QB.

    • actovegin1armstrong

      Star Lotulelei

      • etc

        is he a cornerback?

        • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

          he is not. he’s a superb interior lineman, prototype NT in a 3-4. with us having rubin-taylor-hughes-winn at DT and i am going to dissent from acto’s selection here. acto i even think barkevious is a luxury we cant afford.

          • etc

            Ok, if mangini comes back we should go after him.

            Agreed that the interior line is pretty good right now. I’m ok with the ends but the team should probably draft another end or whatever soon.

          • alexb

            defense needs, imo, are as follows….secondary, LB, than lineman. Parker and Sheard are doing just fine on the ends. We don’t need to use the draft on a DE for awhile, unless there’s a once in a decade or two talent on the board. Like the next peppers or freeney. Our secondary is in desperate need of help, which i don’t understand between Brown, Ward and Haden…but whatever, something obviosly isn’t working out.

    • Believelander

      There’s a tremendous distinction between best athlete available and best player available. And the reason I don’t support drafting for ‘need’ is because you always need more. Guys come, guys go, injuries happen, contracts happen. If there’s a prospect that would be a big pass rushing upgrade or something, or just a monster defensive lineman, you can always trade somebody, find ways to use guys, etc. Remember when DQ52 went down? If we draft a crazy linebacker we can find a way for DQ, rookie, JM Johnson, and Craig Robertson to all get time. Having Robertson, Maiava, and Gocong as your backups isn’t exactly a terrible place to be.

      Plus, a lot can change in free agency. I’m not sure what corners come off the books this off season but if you pick up one great or even good one, eliminating that one weak link suddenly makes out cornerback corps look very viable.

      Heck, with the ‘need’ thing, even as a Weeden fan, if there was a super stud Andrew Luck 2 or RGIII 2 coming out this year and we were in a position to draft him? Grab him and try to get a second rounder for Weeden or let your new super stud sit for a season or two.

      The point is, you almost always need every position. Get the guy you think is going to be the biggest superstar, and don’t get less prospect value with your pick because you think one position is ‘needed’ more than another.

    • alexb

      if the teams infront of us go qb, which they almost have to ifthe current standings hold……do we take Teo? I know we have dquell but he’s 29 and may only have 2 or 3 more productive years. In Teo we could have an elite mike back for the next 10 years. I’d draft him and let him learn fro dquell for two years.

  • GrandRapidsRustlers

    The awareness continues to be an issue. Running a play before the 2 minute warning is laughable. Throwing a fade on 4th down is actually kind of funny. The play calling continues to be the biggest issue for this team. Weeden got away with some mistakes today but has an absolute rocket and an offensive line that is keeping him upright.

    I won’t even get into the absurdity of the officiating today because it’s just not worth it. There has to be a point when people start to realize that they are just making things up as they go on top of missing false starts that over 100,000 people see live because the one guy who is looking for it is running down the field and not watching. Seriously. If you taped the game go look at the false start. He’s not even watching.

    The biggest issue we have is the man with the headset. I just don’t see why we need to suffer for 6 more games and possibly stunt the development of young players with this ass clown.

  • jpftribe

    O-line played really, really well. They made even Hardesty look good.

    Weeden had all day to throw the ball and couldn’t make a big play.

    D-line played great as well.

    Secondary couldn’t cover anyone without mauling them halfway down the field.

    Holmgren on the field before the game talking to Jones – WTF? in fact double WTF?

    WR’s made some big catches, but seem to not be able to break free with all that time to throw, at least on the few replays that CBS cared to show.

    Game was lost on the 3 and out to start the 2nd half.

    The only real problem with Shurmur is that, well, he is Shurmur. And they lost. Again. For like the 20th time since he’s been here. And he was brought in here to win more than the last guy. And hasn’t. So wtf is he still doing here.

  • alexb

    The debate over whether there has ever been a browns qb that has had this much time to throw the ball is now over, the only quesiton now is whether any qb in the long storied history of the NFL has ever been able to call his mother on the phone and ask her how her day is going while scanning downfield for an open receiver. AND THEN MISSING GUT DAMN WIDE OPEN RECEIVER!! FFS!!
    Any of you who think this is our future franchiser just must either not be browns fans or have some weird fugue like amnesia where you don’t recall our qb history going back to 99. He’s an “ok” qb, not terrible…but would likely be a backup in other towns not named Kansas City. The guy cost us at least one but maybe two first downs that would have put us in Dawson money range. So at least 6 points but the way we were playing in the first half possibly more. I wouldn’t be so upset if the dude’s weren’t wide gut damn open. I’ve never seen a qb in my lifetime have this much time to throw. Ever. Guys these aren’t bums that are trying to rush our qb. This isn’t the browns scrimmaging against an indoor 2 team. We’ve blocked the shoes off some of the best pass rushing in the entire NFL. This Cowboys front 7 were no 3rd stringers..these guys are beasts. Same goes for the Giants front whom we handled too. I think people see a couple sacks and the stat sheet so they don’t realize just how f’ing good the browns o line is right now at pass protection. And alot of those sacks have been coverage. I saw Thomas get beat outright once today and that’s it, we beasted them the whole game. It’s really something, and it’s why i’m not completely down on the browns…our o and d lines are really looking good. If we had a secondary that could give our pass rush a split second longer we’d have league contending sack stats.

    • jpftribe

      Yeah, it has been painfully obvious since the SD game that ole weeds is having trouble making timely reads. Almost all of his throw are late, even the checkdowns. The only time he has had real success was when he released the ball fairly quickly.

      I also think this is exacerbated by young wideouts who aren’t crafty enough to break open when the play breaks down. Someone like a Boldin or Moss (Santana or Randy) would have a field day with that much time to get open.

      And why o why o why do we constantly run routes on 3rd down that are 1-3 yards shy of the marker? Cooper and Gordon both come to mind on separate plays.

      • Believelander

        Particularly bad during the Ravens game. Pat Shurmur is drilling into Weeden’s head not to throw interceptions, which while a desirable outcome, is wrong. Shurmur said to the media that Weeden needs to “not throw interceptions” over his last 7 games. Which is wrong. Shurmur should be encouraging Weeden to throw the ball down field, hit home runs, and take the lumps of a rookie throwing picks because it’s going to happen whether he tries to avoid it or not. The difference is, a rookie TRYING not to throw picks looks like the Brady Quinn/Colt McCoy checkdown monster we’ve been watching for so long.

        I don’t know if Weeden’s confidence is flagging in and of himself, he talks like a pitcher which is probably a -1 for leadership/accountability but a +1 for confidence. Hope he learns to THINK like a pitcher, TALK like a quarterback.

        Finally, all of the bloviating about how Weeden ISNT THE QUARTERBACK OF THE FUTURE is silly. Prove it. Oh, you can’t? Okay. And it’s just phrasing. “I don’t think Weeden is the quarterback of the future” (stated as opinion). Hey, we’ll agree to disagree. “Weeden isn’t the quarterback of the future!!!” (stated as fact). Now I’m just annoyed.

        • alexb

          i’m basing that opinion off of what I see other rookies doing who don’t have time to clench their a holes. It’s simple pitch and catch that’s he’s f’ing up. I was fully prepared to give him this season cause we all know Browns qb’s get mashed up here in Cleveland…….but it hasnt’ transpired like that. If he’s consistently not hitting wide open guys and throwing up and behind on the slants….he’s not cutting it AND he’s going to get one of our receivers killed. And that isn’t my opinion, two weeks ago he was getting Trent blasted on those checkdowns…..FFS. One of the best things to happen to the browns organization since we got the team back is Trent Richardson, pardon me if I’m gonna get hot over a rookie qb who can’t properly throw that checkdown so that our beast RB who’s already battling bad ribs……doesn’t get blasted in the ribs before he even has a chance to bring the ball down. C’mon dude.

    • Believelander

      I can debate that Derek Anderson had all day and night to throw the ball in 2007, as Weeden has been sacked as much and hit more in 10 games than DA was in 15 in that year. So I guess the debate isn’t over. Almost like we’re debating something subjective that cannot be conclusively proven without stopwatches and a ton of film, pencil leads, and erasers.

      • alexb

        that was a decent year for us but in no way shape or form did DA have this much time to throw the ball….like I said can anyone remember any qb in the NFL ever having this much time consistently week after week? And we’ve played some of the best defenses in the NFL, Giants-Ravens, this Cowboys front 7 is no joke either. If we stonewall the Steelers rush then without question the discussion is over. And I don’t care if they get a couple sacks, eventually they’re gonna get through….but if he’s mosying about the pocket admiring the stadium architecture for most of the game but they get in a couple times….i’m still going to call it a win for our O line.

  • alexb

    watched part of the Ravens/steelers game and saw the Ravens pass rush destroying the steelers blocking….we handled the Ravens on pass blocking.

    • jpftribe

      Heckert has done a really nice job with both lines. If we swapped Qb’s with the cowboys, Romo would have destroyed their defense and Weeden would have had at least five turnovers.

      • Believelander

        I’m going to be snagging the NFL all-22 and Rewind package, so I’ll be looking at some things this week. According to the talking heads on TV as well as radio guys, Weeden was sitting there on a lot of those throws with nobody getting open down field, but I don’t take them at their word, so All-22 shots will help and I will try to upload some.

  • Believelander

    Weeden Haterade drinkers rejoice! No matter how bad you think he is, keep in mind that it could always be worse. Jacksonville Jaguars have to choose between Blaine Gabbert and this.

  • Believelander

    MVPhil update: Phil Dawson’s consecutive field goal streak has now reached 25. The NFL record is 42. Still a ways to go, but if he finishes this season money for money, he could break that record early next year. While it’s conceivably possible heading into our 11th game that he gets 18 field goals in 6 games, it’s not likely.

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    homgrum sponging free airfare to network with future scam targets tobias funke styled owners is carl weathers to the nth degree.

    jerry: so.. i am a football coach too. but i’m stuck being a billionaire team owner.
    homgrum: well i could train you.
    jj: well i’m afraid all i have is 1.5 billion dollars. and i spent a billion of it on this stadium.
    holgren: 1.5 billion is exactly what i charge for coaching classes.
    jj: NO IT ISNT! well what are the chances… universe youve done it a-GAIN!

    my guess is homgren was for foraging the after game buffet for rib bones to take home and make stew out of.

    • Believelander

      Hoho…haha…hohohohohehehehahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

  • bupalos

    More of the same. Plenty to like with this team, but we’re a day late and dollar short as long as we keep patting the bunny.

    Great to see the NFL’s two biggest fracking champs chatting it up yesterday. http://twitter.com/TonyGrossi/status/270216272158003200

    Which means I’m justified in posting this: http://www.salon.com/2012/11/19/americas_secret_fracking_war/

    • Believelander

      A Day Late and a Dollar Short: A Football Life – the Saga of Pat Shurmur. Live at 9PM EST on NFL Network.

  • Believelander

    Patriots: 0.76%
    Satans: 1.35%
    Packers: 1.69%
    *Redskins: 1.74%
    Broncos: 1.88%
    Titans: 1.98%
    **Jaguars: 2.00%
    Ravens: 2.03%
    49ers: 2.06%
    Cardinals: 2.09%
    Buccaneers: 2.19%
    Saints: 2.24%
    Lions: 2.50%
    **Vikings: 2.53%
    Raiders: 2.64%
    Rams: 2.67%
    Texans: 2.69%
    Jest: 2.80%
    *Colts: 2.91%
    Giants: 3.01%
    Falcons: 3.02%
    Eagles: 3.05%
    *Seahawks: 3.14%
    **Bengals: 3.19%
    Cowboys: 3.22%
    *Browns: 3.23%
    **Panthers: 3.29%
    *Dolphins: 3.36%
    Bills: 3.40%
    Bears: 3.64%
    Chargers: 4.12%
    Two-Headed CasselQuinn Sh*tmaelstrom (Chiefs): 4.48%

    • alexb

      You can make stats say anything you want. We all see it….not saying our receiving corps is aces but they do occasionaly get wide open and he has a real problem hitting them when they do. How many times is Greg Little going to nab balls like he did yesterday? You can’t be over and behind all day with our receivers. Honestly it’s not interceptions Weedon’s throwing, he’s not been that bad with those…and those that he does has alot were tips and bobbles. He just doesn’t make the training camp throws that you simply cannot miss in the NFL, EVER!! A guy with a gun like that overthrowing a 20 yd pass if unacceptable…he’s not McCoy who has to put a little air under the ball to get it there. The dude can throw a liner 30 yds easy. Put it on the f’ing numbers.
      And beleive….that fade to the endzone, are you kidding? That ball wasn’t even close. I get it that’s a hard throw, if it were just over the reveiver that would have been one thing….but he came close to hitting a cheerleader with that one.

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