Ravens v. Browns in Cleveland (Open Thread)

by Cleveland Frowns on November 4, 2012

Randy Lerner and Mike Holmgren are gone, Art Modell is dead, Ray Lewis and Haloti Ngata are dying, it’s been almost 17-years to the day since Modell announced he was stealing the real Browns, and old Municipal Stadium is crawling out of the lake.

Maybe the Browns sneak one in today. Our NFL picks for Week 9 are here and the rest is your Shurmurball open thread for today’s action. We’ll be back tomorrow to see about how it went.

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    before this week ‘stadium crawling out of the lake’ was but a metaphor discarded as too science-fiction by the author of Haslam Furioso. now it’s a protagonist for at least one or two cantos.

    • nj0

      When it starts reconstructing itself on the banks of the Erie, that’s when I’ll get excited.

    • ClevelandFrowns

      Fuego dumpstero grande.

    • Petefranklin

      If someone would like to pick up a couple of yellow bricks for me, I would gladly compensate them. I ripped a chunk of three rivers cinder block down when I took my Pittsburgh fan wife there for the last Browns Steelers game. I never got the chance to in Cleveland, so maybe it would help balance our household even though I buried her chunk in the rose garden and pee on it frequently.

  • BIKI024

    here we go Clownies, here we go!

    • nj0

      *clap*, *clap*

  • nj0
    • Alexb

      that made my day, thank you

  • Bryan

    Pat Shurmur should write an autobiography entitled “3rd and 1″

    • Believelander

      Just keep it away from any person on suicide watch.

    • jpftribe

      Comment of the year!

  • nj0
  • nj0

    How I spent the first quarter- http://i47.tinypic.com/34zf3vd.jpg

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=517400620 Jason Hahn

    The wasted time outs….. Sigh……….

  • Bryan

    As president of the Weeden fan club, I must say he has not looked sharp today. Jeez. Come on Weeds!

    • Alexb

      weedon is not the guy. He’s a guy with a strong arm who’s gonna have games where he notches alot of yards but he will never be a field general.

      • bupalos

        I’m not ready to say he’s not the guy when his introduction to the NFL is with AskPat. There’s no way to know how much of this is on him.

        Well, except the wide open stuff he’s missing. That’s on him.

      • Defenestration

        Thank you for the well-supported, compelling argument. It has really helped to inform my opinion.

      • Believelander

        O master of the crystal ball, would you provide us with some sort of compelling evidence to support this so affirmatively asserted opinion?

        • Alexb

          it’s self evident. A cleveland qb hasn’t had this much time to throw the ball since Reagan was in office. So i’m not down on the whole organization…we’re doing some things pretty darn well. I’m not sure this is all on Shurmur anymore….I think the coaching staff see’s that Weedon can’t read NFL defenses pre snap. All of you will be calling for his head when he throws that last safety valve pass to Trent when there’s a monster LB lying in the weeds 10 feet away and he closes and knocks Trent out for the season. If I was Shurmur i wouldn’t be sending Richardson into the flat anymore cause he’s gonna get hurt trying to stretch for one of these inaccurately thrown balls.

          • Defenestration

            So your compelling evidence is to state that it is true without need for proof or reasoning? Be careful out there.

          • Alexb

            watch.the.games

          • Defenestration

            I do. It’s self evident.

          • Alexb

            maybe you drink too much?

  • nj0

    Here we go. Got the Shurmentum now.

  • nj0

    Rich Gannon has seen enough of Brandon Weeden.

    • Bryan

      Generally Gannon has been on point. But some of his points are silly. He said Weeden should have thrown a crossing route to Little on the last drive of the half, but if he made that throw then Little could have gotten tackled in bounds causing us to burn our last TO. The D wanted Weeden to make that throw, and he smartly threw it to the sidelines instead.

      • BIKI024

        i like the tough love though, seems to be working in a cosmic sort of way.. Weeds has left some plays out there for sure, but we got a whole half to play, with the Ravens playing with half a defense..

        lately Jauron and the guys make the proper adjustments and tighten up in the 2nd half, only allowing 16 points in 2nd half in last 3 games combined.. looks like Torrey Smith hurt his arm too, we’ll see if that helps..

        • Believelander

          Weeden has left more than a couple on the field. He’s starting to look a bit rattled and sloppy. We know he’s got the talent, now soon we’ll see if a new coaching regime helps him, and whether he has the skills to pay the bills.

          • Alexb

            He sucks. He’ll have alot of yards in some games but he can’t read defenses, that’s why they never let him audible.

          • Cranky M

            Yeah, i bet that’s the reason. As opposed to the general consensus based on his time with both Weeden and McCoy that Shurmur simply doesn’t allow audibles no matter who the QB is. Probably just that Weeden sucks…

          • Defenestration

            Thank you for the well-supported, compelling argument. It has really helped to inform my opinion.

          • Believelander

            You’re right, because every rookie quarterback comes into the league able to read defenses on the fly in their first season, or maybe not. Andrew Luck was selected over RG3 despite being an inferior passer both in terms of arm strength and accuracy because his ability to read defenses at something like a pro level is so special.

  • Bryan

    Perhaps the greatest ShurmurBall moment of all-time there: back to back false start penalties, and then a timeout because they couldn’t get the play in on time. How is that possible?

    • etc

      You beat me to it. Shurmurball can count on at least 3 wasted timeouts per game for slow play calls.

      So fitting that @sportsyelling is a Clevelander.

      • Petefranklin

        The oldschool electric football game that they use to call plays was malfunctioning at the time, you know, like when the TRich figure gets lost on the pressbox floor.

  • etc

    God dammit. Defense makes another fine stop after the fourth field goal and the offense can’t get its head out of its ass. Such a frustrating team.

  • Kamov

    Who was that Raven they showed saying, “You know I’ve made my living off the Browns?” to the fans heckling him? I want to see that again. It was a good facial expression.

    • etc

      Was it #56?

      Sorry, wasn’t really paying attention. Also drunk.

    • Cranky M

      Suggs.

      • Kamov

        Just saw some of his other quotes online. That guy is money with quotes.

    • Alexb

      how do you not know terell suggs when you see him? he’s almost as recognizeable as Ray ray is. Suggs has eaten our lunch for years.

      • Defenestration

        Thank you for the well-supported, compelling argument. It has really helped to inform my opinion.

        • Believelander

          Haha…when I saw this I laughed. Gotta get some laughs in thinking about the ritual wrist-slitting post Frownie’s going to be dumping on us in about 8-9 hours.

          • BIKI024

            especially when Frownie actually felt like the Browns had a good shot of winning the 2nd half.

            “playing with my money is like playing with my emotions” – Big Worm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkbabSAvhDg

        • Alexb

          @defenstration: You didn’t know that was suggs either did you? laugh out loud.

          • Defenestration

            I did. Was it not self evident?

          • Alexb

            no

  • etc

    Whoa. Richardson split out in the slot. That’s some Shurmurballs.

    • Believelander

      Too little too late, but Shurmur started reading some Eric Mangini, who had Chips McCoy completing deep sideline passes to Peyton Hillis.

  • Cranky M

    That roughing the passer call was bogus.

    i’m already predicting a few sleepless nights this week, replaying the penalty on that Gordon touchdown in my mind.

  • Cranky M

    Wow. Is Shurmur trying to put himself out of his own misery? You have 2 timeouts left…

  • Bryan

    This loss on Weeden/coaching. Ridiculous. I like Weeden, but today’s performance unacceptable at this stage of season. Very angry.

    • bupalos

      Totally agree. I think it’s possible that this was both Weeden and Shurmur’s worst games. And that’s saying something.

      • Jim

        Weeds’ first game was still much, much worse. But yes, this is on him and Shurmur. Why go for it on fourth down in that situation? And if you really do want to go for it, why would you not put the ball in Trent Richardson’s hands?

        • bupalos

          >>>Weeds’ first game was still much, much worse. >>>
          I’m not sure if you watch it closely that that is true. By the numbers, sure. But there was sooo much there today. Much time, much open receivers. And he connected on basically nothing of significance. The first game he sure was bad, but this was really bad too.

          Even the last pass, that was really a wide open TD. The announcers tried to say that it was Reed baiting him into an ill advised throw or something. That was our fastest guy 5 yards behind the defense streaking to the endzone. It was late and 15 years underthrown. With no pressure and a clear lane.

          • Jim

            I’m not defending today’s performance as being anything in the realm of passable, but I just think comparatively speaking, his first game was about as bad a game as a quarterback can have. Both games could have been won with average, or even slightly below average quarterback play,

          • Alexb

            the pass that pissed me off the most was the one gordon or little had to scoop off the grass even though they were ‘WIDE OPEN”…..high schoolers make that pass.

          • Believelander

            @Alexb: And Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers make guys scoop the ball off the ground because they happen to short a throw just a bit. High schoolers make that pass. Pro Bowlers miss that pass. It happens to EVERY quarterback. It’s not like this is a regular occurrence.

            I find it telling that you weren’t here, Alex, trolling Weeden and picking nits in weeks where we won the game or he looked good, but the trolling comes back with a vengeance the minute he tosses up a stinker.

            He’s a God damn rookie. It’s not an excuse, but it sure as hell means that you can’t come out and say that he’ll for sure NEVER be a good quarterback. Why? Why won’t he? How can you quantify that he can’t ever be good just because there are things he still has to learn to do, which every quarterback has to learn to do? His age tilts the odds against him, but that’s why he wasn’t a top ten pick. Someone was going to take him low in the first or high-mid in the second. Give the man two seasons before you go out declaring him a bust.

          • Alexb

            @beleive: I was cautiously optimistic about his good games cause as a Browns fan you latch onto ANYTHING. But even during those games I saw stuff that made my butthole pucker. Like “holy crap” what was he seeing there. There have been so many drops that I think Weedon has been getting a pass from alot of Browns fans. Some of his decisions really came into focus when Gannon was breaking down the film. And the other was that weedon couldn’t throw a gut damn spiral yesterday….what the shit? I’m not a huge Flacco fan but the dude can sling a ball and it didn’t look like he had any problems throwing tight liners yesterday.

      • Warburton MacKinnon

        Hey at least no passes were batted down at the line….little steps.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=517400620 Jason Hahn

          I was impressed with the lack of batted passes this week.

      • Kamov

        I feel like I’ve seen, “this was Weeden’s worst game” at least half of the games this year…

        Shurmur’s worst game is whatever game he is playing, a la Office Space.

      • Believelander

        Weeden’s Worstest:

        1) Week 1

        2) Week 9

        3) Week 8

        I would say this trend of regression is a combined function of NFL tape being out on a rookie Weeden now, and our legendary predictability making it even easier to be in position to make plays on both our passing and rushing attacks.

        What this means going forward, is that we won’t really know anything until we give these youngsters another season. With Weeden’s age, by the end of next year we can probably know for certain whether he can be the guy we can hang our hat on for the next decade or so.

        • bupalos

          I’d agree about the tape except that what weeden blew today was just tons of wide open stuff running free. Unless what they saw on tape was that you can just let receivers run free and he’ll airmail it to the sidelines, I can’t think this is a tape issue.

          • Believelander

            Well, that may be the tape issue. However if this is the tape issue, our own coaches have to see he’s looking over top of his wide open short and intermediate throws looking for the kill shot, and coach his eyes to see the inner half of the field.

            It’s impossible to know where the lion’s share of the fault lies, between the rookie quarterback and the coaching staff, but since our coaching staff has shown ineptitude in every other shade in the spectrum of coaching, I tend to lean towards blaming them in this one, too. If it looks like a turd, smells like a turd, and coaches like a turd…

          • Alexb

            @beleive: at some point you gotta put this on the “on field” decision making ability of a QB.

    • Cranky M

      As a card-carrying member of the Weeden fan club, i fully admit that he didn’t have a very good game.

      I put it more on Shurmur, though. Once again, the playcalling was shoddy. Way too many plays where they must have been expecting blitz and only sent out 2 or 3 receivers, and the Ravens dropped into coverage.

      Going for it on that 4th down was so absurdly stupid…

      • Believelander

        When you don’t go for it 4th and 1 on the opposing 40, but you go for it 4th and 2 on your own 30, you’ve just been Shurmurballed.

        I’m getting antsy that Weeden’s growth seems to have ground to a halt, but I’m starting to wonder how much his growth (and maybe even Chips McCoy’s growth) is affected by the coaching and system. When you’re constantly being put in bad situations, it has to affect your ability to do well. Weeden bears a share of the blame for how poorly he played, however.

        BUT here’s just a few of the comedy of errors of this week’s episode of Shurmurballed:

        - the bizarre 4th down play on our own 30, with a full battery of time outs and only down 1 score.

        - not calling a particularly high percentage play on the aforementioned

        - not calling a single rushing play on 3rd or 4th and 2 or less (our one rushing conversion on 3rd and short was Weeden scrambling on a bootleg pass)

        - calling a rushing play during our 2 minute drive before the end of the half, already in good field position, burning 30 seconds of the 90 we had to try to get down and score a touchdown. Wouldn’t you know it, we’re forced to kick a field goal from the 13 when we ran out of time while we were cruising down the field.

        - calling play action not once, but TWICE on a 3rd and long inside the red zone. THEY KNOW YOU’RE NOT RUNNING THE BALL, JACKWAGON.

        - Generally not being able to get the play in to your guys in time to not waste two time outs

        - With a Jauronballed guest segment, not being able to get your players and packages called and in position in time all day long. Jauronball gets a pass for forcing like 43 consecutive punts from the Ravens even though they got smoked on the first two drives.

        - Team coming out horrendously flat and getting down 14-0 right off the rip again with atrocious offensive play calling and unprepared bewildered defense out of the gate

        - The crack back block call on Josh Gordon was irritatingly bad, but the roughing the passer call on Ward was infuriating. However, coaching has to hammer into these guys not to commit these penalties that cause these huge momentum shifts.

        On the UP SIDE, despite a poor showing from Weeden, there were some things to like on the field.

        - Pete Pattakos’s home skillet and everyone’s favorite Olympic Poser, Greg Little, is starting to really clean up his play and look like a real, dangerous wide receiver. If he AND Josh Gordon can get it going, watch out.

        - Trent Richardson generally just looked good again. Two 100+ yard performances in a row.

        - Offensive line still getting more consistent. Now they’re starting to run block better and we’ll see if the batted pass issue has been corrected between Weeds and the linemen. I don’t believe we had any today.

        - Sucking for draft position, baby

        - After getting inexplicably mashed out of the gate, the Browns defense completely turned things around and shut down the Ravens for about 40 straight minutes.

        - We get to see next year what Weeden, T-Rich, Little, Gordon, Cameron, Benjamin, Cooper, and co. can do with another year’s experience and a real* head coach.

        * probably

        • bupalos

          >>>- The crack back block call on Josh Gordon was irritatingly bad, but the roughing the passer call on Ward was infuriating. However, coaching has to hammer into these guys not to commit these penalties that cause these huge momentum shifts.>>>

          This is the only thing I can disagree with in the whole shebang there. Neither of those were anything like penalties. I’ll send you back to the rulebook again, but there is really something called “blindside block” in the rulebook??! If little doesn’t make that block and pretty much that way, the play blows up. And ward simply didn’t make contact, that was flat phantom.

          • Believelander

            I’m sorry, to clarify, I meant that the CALLS were horrid. Both of those penalties were trash calls. All I’m saying is, coaches (and this is a problem throughout football with the roughing the passer calls) need to bang into players’ heads that taking a free shot at a QB as he throws the ball isn’t worth it unless you make DAMN sure there’s ZERO chance the refs are going to have something to give a free 15 yard penalty.

          • Cranky M

            ” calling play action not once, but TWICE on a 3rd and long inside the red zone. THEY KNOW YOU’RE NOT RUNNING THE BALL, JACKWAGON.”

            I could be crazy, but i’m fairly certain they called the EXACT same play on each of the third downs immediately preceding the first 2 FG’s. It amazingly failed just as miserably the second time as it did the first.

          • bupalos

            Thanks for the read on the blindside deal. It’s probably a decent rule since. Be nice if a certain coaches and their players knew these rules.

          • Believelander

            @Cranky, you’re not crazy. Those were two 3rd and 8s with very little variance in field position (one just inside the RZ, one just outside of it) and happen to be the two I was referring to. After that I was on the road for work for most of the rest of the game, so I wouldn’t be surprised if you told me there were more.

  • BIKI024

    OOGEY BOOGEY!! why didn’t you line up correctly?? UGH

    thought the defene battled back despite the first 2 drives. but the offense, good grief, Weeds def looked a little lost out there today.

    gonna be a long and boring 2 weeks.

    • bupalos

      Here’s the question. The guy was lined up that way for a full 5 seconds 10 feet from the Browns sideline. I’d have to watch again to see where Shurmur was, but I don’t know why he wouldn’t have been right there.

  • http://www.autismspeaks.org/ PML

    Usama Young – why? What is his purpose? Someone please fill me in.

    It almost seemed like Shurmie-no-nuts wanted to prove to everyone he did indeed have a pair but instead just confirmed his ineptitude with that Fourth down call.

    • Cranky M

      He’s awful. I would rather see Hagg in there. He may nit be very good either, but he has the benefit of not being Usama Young.

    • Believelander

      Usama Young: improving position of Cleveland Browns draft picks since 2011.

      #PURPOSE

      • http://www.autismspeaks.org/ PML

        To quote Patches O'Houlihan, he is as useful as a poopy-flavored lollipop.

    • humboldt

      I think his name is actually an anagram for something really funny…but I haven’t figured it out yet

      • etc

        A Anus Mug Yo

      • Defenestration

        Guano is jumping out at me, so I’m sure something magical is hidden within. Not sure if more or less bourbon barrel stout is required to fully descramble it, but I’m willing to try the former for the sake of the community.

        • Believelander

          “Who is that?”

          “I don’t know his name, but that’s Sum Guano, Ay?”

          • Defenestration

            excellent.

  • ChuckKoz

    rich gannon was just murdering weeden.

    and seriously, that going for it on 4th down was ridiculous. especially because in prior weeks he takes a more conservative approach, illustrating he is a clueless hack.

    • Believelander

      I find it bizarre that he punts with 6 minutes on the clock well into opposing territory down by only 4 points, and goes for it INSIDE OPPOSING FIELD GOAL RANGE down by 7 points with 4+ minutes and a full battery of time outs. If I had been at home when that happened today, I might have thrown my remote control through the TV.

      Oh by the way, numb nuts, RUN THE DAMN BALL IN SHORT YARDAGE. EVER. JEEZ.

  • Believelander

    Pat Shurmur: I just watched two other teams with good running backs and good lines (Giants, Steelers) run on 3rd and short. GET. A. CLUE.

    • BIKI024

      i’ve noticed that quite a lot of teams are passing on 3rd and 2 or less.. but yeah, with a bruiser like TRich you would think we would try to pound it more.. but of course if Alex Smith catches the ball on that first one, it’s a different story. so it goes in Shurmurland..

      • Kamov

        Yes, if notoriously stone-handed blocking-TE Alex Smith catches a pass, it’s a different story.

        • Believelander

          I remember one time he fumbled a pass where Colt McCoy passed him the ball in the backfield as I might pass you the ketchup.

      • Believelander

        It’s a passing league. Of course you can pass on 3rd and short. But you HAVE to still be able to get yards on the ground on 3rd and short. Period. You have to run the football on 3rd and short. We didn’t do it at all. You’re killing your chances of actually converting by constantly going to the air in these situations, letting defenses comfortably play the pass instead of stacking the box.

        Oh, and dumbnut calls pass after pass on 3rd and 1 and 3rd and 2, but he expects opponents to bite on play action on 3rd and EIGHT in the red zone? The play calling is infuriatingly terrible and defeating our players before they ever have a chance to make the play.

        • bupalos

          Shurmur is simply a fraud. That’s the best word I can come up with at this point. There is no rationale behind these decisions at all. It’s beyond innumerate, he’s just pretending. The 3rd and short thing is absolutely the least of it.

          • Petefranklin

            Guess he wants to go out with a bang, kind of like an “Ill show you I know what I’m doing”moment, or should I say game.

  • CleveLandThatILove

    When the team leading your division goes into an offensive stall for the better part of 2 quarters, you have to take advantage. What more do you need, gift wrapping?

    • Believelander

      Paper place mat and crayons with color-in diagram on place mat detailing how to take advantage and seize a commanding lead when dangerous opponent is sputtering. Oh, and an ice cream. No gift wrapping needed, really.

      -Pat

  • etc

    DWhalen5 is right, Russell Wilson can play. Holy smokes.

    • Believelander

      He’s pretty okay, but he’s essentially a game manager. Remains to be seen how his skill set will translate as his work load increases. He’s a fun kid to watch and root for, though.

      More interesting than Russell Wilson, is watching head referee Jerome Boger call every penalty with an expression of intense discomfort, as though he has just pooped his pants or suffered a small-caliber gunshot wound. I sadistically try to watch every game he calls because it’s entertaining to watch him fidget like his clothes are full of small snakes.

  • Leftyjsf

    Looking forward to a real qb competition next year. Weeden can’t and won’t lead us on a 4th quarter comeback. The oline has played well and we have more weapons. Through 9 games – weeds 9 TD and one of the worst rated qbs in the nfl. My boy Colt had 10 TDs and actually led a 4th quarter comeback. Lord forbid some of these defenses get pressure on our offence.

    United Way have fun picking out who gets to go to the rest of my home games. Brutal

    • Believelander

      How much you want for ‘em?

      • Leftyjsf

        I usually give on preseason and one regular season game to United Way. I think it is important to share and give opportunities to those less fortunate. I am not sure if Frowns wants his site to be a barter forum so email me at leftyjsf@yahoo.com (redskins and chiefs).

        I don’t dislike Weeden. I though the pick was negligent given our other needs an desperate. Under Mangini, McCoy led us to victories over two SB champs. Maybe he didn’t throw for 300 (or over 100 in case of Saints) but we Won games we were heavy dogs. Colt reminds me of us. Not flashy but tough ad nails and can get it done.

        • Cranky M

          Colt McCoy is not good. I don’t even see the need to continue arguing this. He just isn’t good. All of the reasons as to why that is have been repeated ad nauseum. The wins he got under Mangini were the result of the coaching/gameplan, not anything that McCoy did.

          • BIKI024

            or what Colt didn’t do, which was not try to do too much and turn the ball over.. that has known to help get wins as well..

          • Believelander

            A) that’s winning in spite of your quarterback. You don’t win very much or very long like that (see Jets, New York). It doesn’t help win. It helps not lose. At best it makes your QB position a non-factor in terms of winning or losing, and to win you need your quarterback position to produce at a high level.

            B) Colt did throw interceptions his rookie season. In fact, in 8 starts he had a 4.1 INT%. Brandon Weeden, through 9 starts, has a 3.6 INT%. Try again.

          • BIKI024

            @believeland – how many picks did Colt throw in the victories against the Saints and Patriots?? Or any of the other wins he got his rookie year?

        • Believelander

          As a member of the Weeden Fan Club, I would like to play devil’s advocate. I stated before the draft to a few guys high on Weeden who were blasting the Browns for wanting to trade up for RG3 that they weren’t making any sense, because of the following:

          If spending 4-5 draft picks to acquire the talents of Robert Griffin III was too steep a price because the Browns had ‘too many holes’ to give up that many draft picks, then Weeden made no sense to draft either. By the time RG3 is going into the season as a 28 year old QB, it will be 2018. He will be a 7th year pro. The Browns would have had (assuming they surrendered our 4th, 22nd, 37th, plus next year’s 1st-3rd rounds to draft him) 5 first round and 5 second round draft selections, not including the one used to select him.

          By drafting Brandon Weeden, by the time he is starting as a 28 year old quarterback, he will be a rookie. The Browns will have had 1 first and 1 second round draft selection, not including the one used to select him.

          I understand why people were against the Weeden pick. However, from a talent standpoint, they probably thought that with a good draft this year and a QB who can play at a high level now/soon, the Browns have enough talent to catalyze into a playoff caliber team by next season or the year after.

          There’s a long, rocky road between where we are now, and all of our talent paying dividends, but the Browns have VERY quietly and rapidly accrued a very large battery of talent. Part of that was Eric Mangini’s staff. While they did not draft well in their one season, they acquired club-friendly veterans who could instill their system, teach the young blood, and make plays in that year. The key is that they were all club friendly contracts, so it made things very easy on Heckert when he decided to start throwing as many flapjacks as possible up against the wall.

          Now it looks like some of those flapjacks are going to stick. Weeden, Gordon, Little, Benjamin, Richardson, Schwartz, Cooper, Winn, Hughes, Taylor, Sheard, Haden, and even T.J. Ward all have a great deal of talent. Bring in leadership that molds his system to the players instead of trying to force square pegs into round holes, and this rocket ship could take off faster than you can say, “PLAYOFFS?”

          Or it could all come tumbling down, but for the first time since 2001-2002 it looks like the Browns could come out next year with a young hungry team with a lot of talent across the board. I still remain cautiously optimistic.

    • Petefranklin

      School for the blind?

  • bupalos

    Am I crazy or did acto call both Russel Wilson AND Doug Martin?

  • GrandRapidsRustlers

    As a Vice President of the Weeden fan club I am not going to sit here and tell you he played well today. I’m better than that.

    What I will tell you is that his no comment after the game when asked about the burned timeouts is about as big of an indictment of Shurmur as a rookie QB could ever say in public.

    Weeden is not a dumb guy. Colt is also not a dumb guy. They both came from major college programs where they had the ability to you know audible and call things on the fly. This little man wearing the headset won’t let his QB wear gloves?

    It’s bad enough we have a team that does not understand a legal formation but the inability to simply get a play in is beyond unacceptable.

    Hit the road Pat.

    • Believelander

      To Pat Shurmur’s credit, he’s actually a pretty big dude. Very good offensive lineman in college. He’s no Mike Holmgren, you understand, but really, who is?

      Oh, and, uh, yeah. He sucks at coaching. That part is true.

  • jpftribe

    the only good thing that can come out of this game is if the bye week becomes the bye bye Shurmur week.

    • Alexb

      and who comes in as interim? Juaron? he’d rather just leave.

  • bupalos

    The problem is that the book is out on pat.

  • nj0

    coal mine can’t be that deep, right?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

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