Alec Scheiner is the new President of the Cleveland Browns

by Cleveland Frowns on December 19, 2012

Alec Scheiner is the new President of the Cleveland Browns, and it seems safe to assume that his powers and responsibilities will be a lot different from those of the last Browns President, Mike Holmgren. Fingers crossed, anyway.

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It’s hard to say too much else given the fungibility of such front office titles in the NFL, but we do know that Scheiner spent the last 8 years in the Dallas Cowboys front office, years that he called “some of the most rewarding of [his] professional career.”

In 2008, Scheiner, “took over the Cowboys’ business operations, which included football analytics.”

Jimmy Haslam says that, “[f]or many years, the Cowboys have been a leading innovator among NFL franchises, and Alec played an integral role in this success.”

And Joe Banner adds that, “Alec brings a wealth of experience and knowledge in many facets with one of the most successful franchises in the NFL.”

One of the most successful franchises in the NFL …

SUCCESS

It’s a definition of “success” that recalls last November, when Haslam and Banner, “were invited behind the curtain in the NFL’s Land of Oz [Dallas],” to “witness how a franchise with one playoff win in the past 16 years is virtually without peer when it comes to making money.

So Haslam and Banner came back from Dallas with notebooks full of wisdom from Jerry Jones, now they have one of Jerry’s front office guys, and we have another significant data point to tell us what “success” is to these folks.

The most apparent upside here is that Scheiner is “a staple” of the MIT Sloan Conference on sports analytics, where he must have had a chance to meet Eric Mangini, so we should get an early litmus test of what our new Prez is really worth.

If the Toronto Blue Jays can do it.  No excuses.

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In other news, Pro Football Focus’s review of Sunday’s Redskins/Browns game is a must-read.

We’ll be back tomorrow with the X’s and O’s you’ve been waiting for.

  • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris Mc

    I sincerely hope Rod dissects that 30 yard completion that Weeden threw to London Fletcher. I saw it live, but I’d really like to see it on all-22 to see if he blew that as bad as i think he did.

  • The Cuuuuuuuuuuuuuugs

    So is this the guy we now go to for those playoff tickets?

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      Things that happen when I’m buried in salt is that I miss obvious headlines like this. Thank you, Sir.

  • GrandRapidsRustlers
    • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris Mc

      I’m a dreamer, but I’m (apparently) not the only one.

  • nj0

    I know I’m probably just being negative, but I’m starting to think – what with this hiring and all this talk about emulating the Cowboys – that Haslam is more concerned about wringing every last dime out of the Browns faithful than putting a winning product on the field.

    I mean, the “Cowboys have been a leading innovator among NFL franchises” in making money, getting sweetheart stadium deals, and in turning over the coaching staff. Not in winning.

    • Randy

      8 winning seasons in last 10 years. You can be one of those guys who defines winning as “Superbowls” only, or you can realize that it’s hard to consistently win games in the NFL with a salary cap in place. 8 winning season in 10 years != “not winning.”

      • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris Mc

        They’ve won exactly one playoff game in the last 16 years. Easy on that “winning” talk.

        • NeedsFoodBadly

          It’s sad that things have gotten so bad in Cleveland sports that we’ve forgotten what winning actually means. It means “winning.” I’d give my left pinky toe for 8 winning seasons over ten years for the Browns. Have to walk before you run.

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris Mc

            But see, it doesn’t work like that. Once Browns fans got used to doing well in the regular season, they would react the same way to losing in the first round of the playoffs as they do after consecutive 5-11 seasons.

            (edit: I would too, I’m not excluding myself from this statement)

          • NeedsFoodBadly

            Right, like Red Sox fans. Fans of winning teams get used to their success and complain. All fans complain. We do not root for a winning team. I will be happy when we have fans complaining that we aren’t being competitive in our playoff games. First we have to get the playoffs though, which usually means you need to win more games than you lose.

          • bupalos

            I think you’re missing the point. Haslam can do whatever he wants. These choices speak to his ideal. His ideal as it is exhibited here is an organization that is just kind of O.K. at football, but #1 in extracting resources and putting on the “show.” That’s what draws the reaction.

            Not that I’m down on this guy, maybe he’s fine, maybe he’s just here to help install the worlds largest outdoor jumbotron, I don’t know. But it is a potential data point in the case of Bupalos v. Extractive Billionaire, so it bears watching. Haslam sniffing around Jerry Jones fits my worst preconceived notions of what is going on here, complete with the Frack trucks.

          • NeedsFoodBadly

            Sniffing more around the situation, I don’t think I am. This hire isn’t worth getting up in arms over. This is a guy who worked on the business side of things in Dallas getting hired to work on the business side of things in Cleveland. It has nothing to do with winning or losing. The decisions that relate to THOSE issues will be made when Shurmur/Heckert get booted, and that’s much more worth worrying about.

          • BIKI024

            exactamundo

          • bupalos

            Agree. Not saying I dislike the guy, not saying his job will especially matter since we have no idea what he’s supposed to be doing…ust reacting to the idea that Dallas is an especially good place to go fishing. That Haslam may be zeroing in on this as the model is mildly troubling.

          • actovegin1armstrong

            NFB,
            Will you be able to walk after you chop off that left pinky toe?

        • Randy

          It means that more often than not, a Cowboys fan is happy on Monday morning. Doesn’t sound all bad to me.

          • nj0

            You don’t know many Cowboys fans, do you? Every one I know is chronically unhappy.

          • Randy

            Point taken.

          • nj0

            But then again, 97% of all NFL fans are unhappy at the end of the year.

      • nj0

        True, I know I’m being harsh. I still think there’s about ten franchises I’d go to for help in establishing an on-field winner before the Cowboys.

        But if I was more concerned about maximizing the value and earnings of my team, there’s one clear leader.

        http://www.forbes.com/nfl-valuations/

      • SteamingPileOfCraphonsoThorpe

        I agree an inordinate amount with that statement! I’m no Cowboys fan (derp), and that gives me the ability to look objectively at their situation and say that essentially, the biggest issue with the Cowboys is Jerry Jones, the GM. He has continually surrounded Romo, the centerpiece of the franchise, with pieces that just don’t fit. A leaky sieve of an offensive line, one locker-room killing receiver after another (and those happened to generally be the most talented guys, too, so when they exploded…), and of course, Wade “I’m the son of a guy whose nickname was ‘Bum'” Phillips, a talented coordinator but mediocre head coach, followed by Jason Garrett, who nearly out-Shurmured #Shurmurball. Rex Ryan thinks the Cowboys have too much locker room drama!

        Yeah, Romo makes a lot of self-destructive plays all by himself, but I think he’d be good enough to take them places if he had better help. Would we take Romo in Cleveland, given the O-line that actually gives a QB time to survey and throw?
        My biggest fear with Haslam is that he turns into Jer-rah North, constantly meddling with who takes the field and how they’re coached. Or that he turns the football operations over to people who exactly 0 other NFL franchises want to give jobs to, but that would probably never happen…wait, uh-oh…s*$t…

    • Kamov

      I’d be amused if ticket prices have a 3rd decimal place soon. It’d be a natural part of bringing Flying J values to the Browns.

  • nj0

    From the PFP article – “Cousins was able to lead his team to the win and rank as yet another rookie quarterback to outshine Brandon Weeden, the one rookie that actually doesn’t have time on his side to make an impact.”

    That’s something that crossed my mind – at this point Weeden looks like the fifth best rookie QB at best. RG3, Wilson, Luck, and Cousins have outplayed him. Tannehill and Foles have matched him. Of the QBs who have played, only Lindley is looking up at Weeden.

    • Cranky M

      Cousins played one game. Granted, it was a great game, but i don’t think it’s enough to say that he is definitively better than Weeden.

      That being said, Cousins and Wilson were the two QB’s i wanted the Browns to go after in the draft, so i DO think he’s good. Just saying, very small sample size…..

      • Cranky M

        (full disclosure: i actually think Cousins is better than Weeden. Just playing Devil’s Advocate.)

    • bupalos

      Foles and Tannehil have pretty much outplayed him too. I think we’re pretty clearly looking at the 7th best, throw in the age and we’re looking at something pretty close to valueless. Though I’ll take the caveat that you would’t want to flat cut him until you see him in another situation and rule out the Shurmur stench.

  • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris Mc
    • nj0

      There also was a puff piece on him at CNNSI. I couldn’t get through the first page.

      • BigDigg

        I read the full article. Overall very positive piece for him, though it’s funny how SI portrays his Casino as some gift to the masses to spur urban development.

        I’ll say this though and why you should read the full article – Gilbert’s a complex guy and i’m not sure he’s 100% the devil he’s painted to be around these parts. Some of what he’s attempting to do for Detroit (and Cleveland) seems genuinely rooted with good intentions. I’m sure there’s a profit motive behind it somewhere, but it’s of the ‘lift all boats’ variety that I can get behind.

  • maxfnmloans

    Interesting moment (maybe only to me) in Cleveland
    sports media this morning. In Grossi’s latest post, he says that “And
    Banner indicated nothing can happen in the next two weeks to affect his
    decisions – even though they haven’t been made.”. This is in contrast to MKC’s latest article where she says, “Banner indicated the season’s
    final two games — at Denver and Pittsburgh — can still affect the decisions”

    Uh oh…catfight on Lou Groza blvd? Or is the PD blowing smoke for their corporate master? Does Grossi have an axe to grind?

    • etc

      from the transcript found here: http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2012/12/18/transcript-conference-call-with-browns-president-alec-scheiner-ceo-joe-banner/

      Have the decisions on Shurmur and Heckert been made? “We have not made decisions but obviously as time has gone on we’ve thought about it more, we’ve talked it more, more factors that will influence the final decision have become clearer and clearer. I don’t want to make it sound like we’re in the same place we were two or four or six weeks ago. That has advanced quite a bit. But we’re not at the point where we’ve made definitive decisions.”

      and

      Anything in the last 2 weeks that can happen to impact decisions? “Not something new but I think continuing to spend time with them and observe things rather than focusing on as you said the criteria that were going to use I think helps you gain confidence that you’re doing the right thing and you’re being objective and you’re looking at it the right way.”

      • maxfnmloans

        okay, but that doesn’t explain why the 2 “ace” Browns reporters in this town have such a wildly disparate view of what Banner was saying, and what I am asking is whose bias is at play here, the PD’s or Grossi’s?

        • etc

          Sorry, I got caught up at work and forgot the point I meant to make. Something about Grossi subscribing to the PFT form of journalism where he finds evidence to support his position.

    • SteamingPileOfCraphonsoThorpe

      While we’re on the Grossi subject, and this is surely to raise the ire of C. Frowns, I generally enjoy Tony’s posts since he’s been with ESPNCleveland because the tone and content seem far less biased and full of hate than his last years at the PD, which has led me to wonder, how much of the content of his previous writings was pushed on him by his editors?
      The sports entertainment industry is full of manufactured arguments, from the local sports radio guys riling the sheep up with purposely outrageous statements/viewpoints, to Screamin’ Steven A(hole) Smith, Skip Bayless, and their ilk. In comparing Grossi’s previous incarnation as Bitter, Embedded Sports Reporter at the PD, to (seemingly) a less bitter, more reasonable writer at his current job, I just see a difference. Were some of his “rants” against Mangini, and others, really made up by the editor? No, I agree that they did that coach a disservice, and Frowns is 100% right to hold that up to scrutiny. Still, has anyone else noticed the difference that I see?

      • maxfnmloans

        I have, and I agree with you. He was obviously dealing with politics and pressure from those up on high at the PD to do anything to increase circulation. He seems to have been liberated. At the very least, he is readable now.

      • Bryan

        This makes no sense. MKC is the most naively optimistic beat writer in the country. Her optimism is direct evidence that Grossi’s negativity was not imposed on him by the PD.

        I think a better explanation for Grossi’s improvement is that he realized that his negativity cost him his job at the PD, and had him hemorrhaging readers. I give him credit for changing, but I still think he is a generally small-minded, prone to bias, mediocre journalist.

        • maxfnmloans

          MKC being so Pollyanna-ish , to me, is further proof that Grossi was being dictated to by folks above him in the PD hierarchy. I think he became jaded and it began affecting his work. On the other hand, MKC has probably wanted that “Beat reporter” title for years, and is geeked up to have it. Of course she’s positive and enthusiastic, It would be counter productive to be any other way, from a career standpoint.

          I think like a lot of people who have the same job for 20+ years, he began to rest on his laurels a bit. I also think that because of the implosion of the print media, there were new duties, guidelines and controls placed on Grossi that he bristled against. He had probably become accustomed to coming and going as he pleased, mailing things in when he felt like it, and basically being “untouchable” at the PD. EVentually, the new bosses decided he was no longer worth the trouble he caused (whether by being toxic in the offices or caustic on Twitter).

          At KNR he probably has more of a free reign, and the firing most likely led to some introspection as well. He’s better, but that’s like saying prostate cancer is “better” than pancreatic cancer.

        • SteamingPileOfCraphonsoThorpe

          Or evidence that she was in place as Grossi’s “foil”, for lack of a better term. Once he was fired, she couldn’t just switch sides, and become Hollywood Mary Kay Cabot (a little 90’s wrestling allusion for you – brother!). Darth Vader has to die after saving Luke, even the most blind fan wouldn’t believe he’d slaughter a million Jedi and then suddenly be like, “Hey, my son’s good, so you know, I think I’ll be good, too!” So, MKC couldn’t suddenly be bitter and angry to replace TG.

          Either that, or she really does poop sunshine and cry gum drops. Which is cool, we could all use more positivity.
          [Not saying that a 20+ year employee might not have occasionally mailed it in, or that more time than that spent as a Browns fan won’t make someone bitter and jaded – look what it has done to all of us – just that we need to look at every “take” a writer/personality has critically and ask ourselves if an agenda other than the writer’s own may be behind it. The ESPN-ifiying of journalism, in and out the sports world, continues apace. “First Take” has all but admitted that they fabricate and/or orchestrate these “debates” to generate eyeballs glued to the screen – even a hack like Skip Bayless can’t possibly believe every asinine thing that spews from his pie-hole].

      • technivore

        I’ve mostly stopped reading him but I think you’re right about the overall change in tone. That doesn’t change the fact that he knows far less about football than he thinks he does — or at least that he’s insecure enough that he feels like he has to act like he knows everything. So he may be slightly less bitter but the condescension still comes through coupled with a grade-school level knowledge of actual pro football. I just can’t take him anymore.

    • Kamov

      “Does Grossi have an axe to grind?”

      Mayyyybe?

  • maxfnmloans

    why is Cleveland always the Petri dish for people who couldn’t get the job they wanted elsewhere but we’ll let them come here and futz about just because we are so desperate for something, ANYTHING to work?

    It’s like if an HR director says, “Oh, we see you were able to grow the sales department you managed by 150 percent over the last three years. Why don’t you work for us as the head of our R&D division? You’ve watched other people create self repairing plastics, surely you can do it too”

    Since when has Joe Banner been involved in personnel decisions? (if he has been, and Im ignorant, please tell me. I’m being sincere when I say I dont know) Why are we allowing him to do this now? Why are we always the fatted calves that have to wait in line for yet another slaughter? Why can’t we ever get a quality individual who has done the job they are hired to do some where else, with even a modicum of success, in the recent past?

    So far, this seems like Carmen Policy 2.0 where Banner = Policy, Andy Reid = Bill Walsh, and Lombardi = Dwight Clark

    • NeedsFoodBadly

      “Why are we allowing him to do this now? Why are we always the fatted calves that have to wait in line for yet another slaughter?”

      Exactly what power do you think we, as fans, have in this situation?

      • maxfnmloans

        none. because if we dont sell the stadium out, the NFL will move the team to LA. When did I say we had any power? It was more of a rhetorical question

        • NeedsFoodBadly

          Is most of your point rhetorical/from frustration? I’m fairly grumpy today (obviously, and apologies to all) so sorry i if it seems I leapt on you. I am very frustrated – I thought things would be more positive after Lerner sold the Browns, but the majority of the rumors swirling around Berea are so negative, it’s giving me fits. I should calm down, because they are just rumors, but it’s that sort of day. The kneejerk negativity that so many Browns fans (somewhat justifiably) have is like, creating some sort of negative feedback loop with my own reactions.

          • maxfnmloans

            Im right there with you. I was all full of good cheer back in August when the sale broke. To me, this year was a wash, and I haven’t gotten excited or upset about much of anything since.

            What was and is most important to me is the next phase, and making absolutely certain the people in place are the right people for the job. Not a firend of someone, or a guy who worked with a guy, or a guy who made his bones as the “business” guy who wants to be a “personnel” guy to massage his ego. Evry day as this becomes more and more likely, I get more and more disillusioned.

            I just saw a comment on the message board for Grossi’s latest post that pretty much summed it up. The commentor wrote, “So, the guy who drafted JaMarcus Russell is going to join forces with the guy who drafted Tim Tebow, and this is being sold to the Browns fans as progress?”

            So, yes. I feel the frustration coming on again. Im starting to worry if anyone in the NFL REALLY wants to win, or if they’re all so egotistical that they only really want to prove that their way is the right way. There is a difference.

            No sweat being grumpy. We’re Browns fans. We’ve earned it.

          • NeedsFoodBadly

            This made me feel a lot better, haha.

  • Jim

    The term “success” is all relative. While the Cowboys have done nothing of note in their playoff appearances, they still have been to the playoffs five more times than the Browns since The Return. I would venture to guess many around these parts, including the media, would consider a wild card appearance a “success.”

    • NeedsFoodBadly

      The Dallas Cowboys have actually won their division within the last five years. The last time the Cleveland Browns won their division, the USSR existed and Milli Vanilli was topping the charts. Browns fans are in no place to pooh pooh any success, no matter how limited, because we have not had even the slightest modicum of it in quite some time.

      • SteamingPileOfCraphonsoThorpe

        My Carpal Tunnel Syndrome is likely to flair up due to the number of “like button” presses forthcoming.

      • SteamingPileOfCraphonsoThorpe

        When we progress from Complaint Level 1: “somebody needs to get this ship turned around, I dream of 8-8″, to Complaint Level 2: “how come this team can’t get out of the first round of the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 years”, we’ll have made a quantum leap forward.

        • NeedsFoodBadly

          Exactly and absolutely.

      • Steve

        By that thought though, every FO outside of Detroit should not be pooh poohed. Just because they are an improvement on Shurmurball doesn’t mean we should be happy that the sights are set so low.

        • NeedsFoodBadly

          Yes, exactly. Over the past decade or so, we are a bottom-of-the-barrel team, along with Detroit and St. Louis. We are not the absolute worst. We are merely slightly better than the absolute worst. I don’t think that winning more games than we lose, or being competitive in our own division are setting our sights low in the slightest, because our team has proven itself incapable of that since it returned to the NFL. Talking about the Super Bowl right now is absolutely insane. Talking smack about most any other team that isn’t Detroit or St. Louis us stupid, because by most objective numbers, they are better than the Browns. Even if they are doing things poorly, they are doing things better than we are. That’s the point.

          • Steve

            No one is talking about winning the Super Bowl. We’re talking about hiring managers. We went after a manager on a decent enough team winning wise, but a fantastic one at making money. As nj0 says below, there are plenty of teams that have shown they can win games better than the Cowboys, why didn’t we go after parts of their FO?

          • BIKI024

            Scheiner will very little, if anything to do with the football ops side of things. his role is to manage the business ops: marketing, stadium improvements, TV contracts, etc. when it comes to that side of the house, Dallas is as good as it gets, so it seems it was a great hire for Haslam who obviously wants to get the most bang for his billion bucks.

            how it affects the long suffering fan? i guess it means we will have a more “enjoyable experience” at the stadium win, lose or draw, but he will have zero zilch nada to do with the quality of football being played.

          • Steve

            Agree with most of this. That still doesn’t mean I can’t wish we had poached from a franchise whose idea of success is more closely intertwined with mine.

          • NeedsFoodBadly

            This makes sense. At this point, I think that a lot of the Scheiner handwringing is overblown.

          • Jim

            This presupposes that only talented front office/manager types can be found on “winning” (however you want to define it) franchises.

          • Steve

            Not only there, but I’m taking my chances that the teams who are successful have the smarter guys.

    • nj0

      Again – why the Cowboys, a moderately successful franchise, one of the winning franchises? Or even a franchise like the Texans or 49ers whose path mirrors that of the Browns a little more?

      I’m betting it’s because Jerry knows how to make money. Bottom line!

      • nj0
      • Jim

        I don’t disagree with this, but it doesn’t change the fact that regardless of how moderate the Cowboy’s success has been, that is significantly more then has been experienced around these parts since the Return.

        • nj0

          See, I feel like we’ve been through this sort of thing before.

          Take Holmgren. He’d do some little arrogant and/or incompetent thing. When people would point it out, fans would rise in his defense. No, he was just doing X and it’s okay because of Y. Of course, time proved Holmgren to be those things people accused him of.

          With Haslam, I’m starting to see a trend in these small decisions where the success of the business looks like it’ll trump the success of the team. Maybe I’m wrong. But I’m still going to point them out despite the majority’s insistence that they’re no big deal.

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris Mc

            “I’m starting to see a trend in these small decisions where the success of the business looks like it’ll trump the success of the team.”

            I agree with this, I just hope it never reaches terminal velocity, basically like the Cowboys have.

  • Brian Sipe

    I am a bit surprised the hired a team president as I thought that was Banner’s title. However, in the end it means very little.

    I can’t wait for New Year’s Eve when Heckart and Shurmur are fired… have a case of Christmas Ale with their names all over it.

    So tired of hearing stupid fans tell me how good Heckart is… 3 full years of running this team with 5 wins as a high water mark. Butch Davis took over the worst expansion team ever and won a ton more.

    • Cranky M

      You don’t think the talent level on the team has increased exponentially with his draft picks?

      • actovegin1armstrong

        Exponentially? I do not think that is possible with anyone’s picks.

        • Cranky M

          Don’t rain on my hyperbole!

          • actovegin1armstrong

            I am sorry, oftentimes I enjoy your hyperbole.

            Here are a few examples of why I am not the biggest Heckert fan in the world.

            Moving up and taking TRich was a bad pick.

            I am not convinced that Weeden at pick 22 made sense,

            Moving up to take Monalberta Hardesty was a risky reach that has not paid off. I like Hardesty, but that was not a good move.
            TJ Ward was a reach as well.
            Heckert is not the worst in the league, but simply because the Browns have had so many bad drafts since 1999 most of you kids overvalue him.

    • bupalos

      That’s overstated. Heckert’s been solid. Not world-beating, but nothing that should make one lust for his head on a platter. As for winning, I think you have to factor in that they pretty clearly stayed out of FA saving their bullets for next year.

      • actovegin1armstrong

        Bupa,

        The Browns had the most picks in the 2012 draft even though they gave one away.

        What could have been….

        Claiborne with the 4th pick.

        Doug Martin with the 22nd pick

        Russell Wilson at 37.

        T. Y. Hilton at 87, at the start of 2011 I thought he was a Heisman candidate.

        You can not call BS on this one, those really were my favorites in the draft. (Although it would have been hard not to take the next best player on D at 22.)

  • BIKI024

    bring up some of those Dallas Cheerleaders with ya Alec!?!?!

    • CleveLandThatILove

      Here you go, Biki.

      • bupalos

        Hubba-hubba. Look at the gams on those swell dames! Gretta Garbo eat your heart out.

      • technivore

        There isn’t a like button in the world big enough for this.

  • BIKI024
  • AlvaroEspinoza10

    Winning football games and making the most possible money off the franchise are not mutually exclusive. In fact, the first would help the second. I don’t get the paranoia about this. It’s not like this guy was drafting players for the Cowboys or will be doing the same here.

    And can someone explain to me why so many people hate Banner already? The Cleveland press and my facebook page are full of rage against him. Seriously, this guy has literally done nothing yet. He hasn’t fired Heckert yet, nor has he hired Mike Lombardi. What they did say is that they wouldn’t make any changes to the franchise until after the season and so they haven’t. Nor have they spoken about any of those changes at all. So why would they come out and dispel a Lombardi rumor when they’ve made no other comment about anything else? Of course they’re not going to address it (The only thing addressed by the new brass was the ridiculous Gruden/ownership rumor, which had nothing to do with GM or coaching changes for next season). It’s very possible that the Lombardi rumors might be helping them leverage a contract with someone else. Right?

    And let’s say he has restructured the franchise so that Heckert leaves. Heckert has been deified around here for no good reason. He’s been decent at drafting linemen, but we could do better. Still nothing better than a 5-win season with him at the helm. Banner had a hand in an extremely successful franchise run in Philly, so I think Browns fans should think twice about bitching about what changes this man wants to bring to the worst-run franchise of the last 15 years. Now, if he wants to bring in Lombardi, overhaul the defense to a 3-4, and bring in someone like Gruden, then I’ll start to question the dude.

    But for now, can we just lay off? It’s the holiday season for christ’s sake

    • nj0

      Here is why people worry about Banner-

      Since as long as most Browns fans can remember, basically every single negative assumption about a new owner, coach, player, GM, etc. has ended up being proven true. I won’t list all the names.

      Any terrible thing a Browns fan hears or thinks about Banner (fire Heckert, hire Lombardi, etc.) is assumed to be a premonition rather than just a thought. We have been conditioned this way.

      • NeedsFoodBadly

        like X1000

    • technivore

      I am sympathetic to your view but I just want to know why Joe Banner was Haslam’s pick in the first place. What’s so special about Joe Banner that he should be Jimmy Haslam’s right hand man from the very first day, including having more say over the personnel side than he even had in Philadelphia? I just wish some enterprising reporter were able to actually get Haslam to give an answer to that question that isn’t complete BS.

      I’ll also admit that this year’s flameout of the Eagles, coupled with Shurmur’s ties to Reid, makes me pretty skeptical of anything and everyone tied to that team, and I don’t see a whole lot of success there to emulate other than “draft Donovan McNabb” (who, full disclosure, is one of my all-time favorite NFL players).

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    where to begin with that MIT Sloan Conference.

    how bout here. these are the prize winning ‘research papers’ being presented:
    - Grand Prize: Deconstructing the Rebound with Optical Tracking Data by Rajiv Maheswaran
    – Runner-up: CourtVision: New Visual and Spatial Analytics for the NBA by Kirk Goldsberry
    – ESPN “Fan’s Choice”: Effort vs. Concentration: The Asymmetric Impact of Pressure on NBA Performance by Matthew Goldman and Justin Rao
    – How to Suck Joy out of sports while at the Same Time Monetizing and maximizing Revenue Streams.

    ok. i made up the last one.

    and what about these SPEAKERS!! nate silver + darren rovell + octogon founder? smug + self-important + a whiff of hipster == the pinnacle of douche-baggery.

    and our new CEO is right there with them. should we be impressed at that? im not. im more struck by his uncanny resemblance to earl cammembert but with a better haircut.

    • Steve

      Of all the places I least expected to find SABR/APBR bashing, it would be here. What exactly is the problem with these papers? These guys are breaking down the sports they love so they can understand them better. What makes this a lot different than X’s and O’s, other than some people get scared of a lot of numbers? This doesn’t suck the joy out of sports, this allows people who who love the game to understand it better. If its not for you, then say so, but its luddite-esque to attack it.

      What makes Nate Silver smug? That he’s smart and says a lot of things that end up correct? Woe are those who pay attention to what he says and leave Grossi mindless drivel in the recycle bin.

      • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

        yes, more fantasy sports please. less emphasis those arcane goals of WINNING GAMES. more emphasis on snapping up david wilson for a keeper league. less emphasis on the communal/tribal bonding offered to region through their sports teams. more miami heat fans in cleveland.
        can i get a ken burns talks to doris kearns goodwin about sal maglie documentary dissection while im at it?
        because moneyball is such a fascinating subject and all.

        • Steve

          That you equate the MIT Sloan Conference with fantasy sports says a lot about your willingness (or lack thereof) of even being open about this, which is a damn shame.

          Which one of those papers has to do with fantasy sports? What about Nate Silver? What about anything in this post isn’t a hilarious strawman?

          Fine, you don’t like learning more about the game using statistics. I’m still not sure why you have to attack those who do.

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            please.
            the new-age espn-ing of sport leaves midwest markets to fend for themselves in non-parity compete environments. these people care not for mid-market fanbases and have only the vaguest notion you exist. you and your quaint fondness for victor martinez have no place in the comparable DVAR analyses vis-a-vis varitek and saltiamaccia.
            you, if youre cleveland, do not have a seat at this table.

          • Steve

            You’ve completely lost it. What does caring enough about a certain sport to do a ton of research on something like tracking rebounds have to do with anything you just said?

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            “What does caring enough about a certain sport to do a ton of research on something like tracking rebounds have to do with anything you just said?”
            it is this: one who is that engaged in tracking rebounds is more a fan of the process or fan of the math or fan of the individual player… but is less a fan of the TEAM and is less interested in its winning and losing. the game itself become an incidental data point.
            that is new-age sports.
            that is espn.
            that is sloan.
            i think sports and sports conversation are poorer for this trend.

          • Kamov

            That’s reasonable, but this guy being hired isn’t a fan – he’s supposed to do a job. For that purpose, you want someone who understands statistical probability is a tool for helping make better decisions.

          • NeedsFoodBadly

            But good statistical analyses can help you build a better team…

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            two words: theo epstein.

            just saying, the thrall of this trend might could be tempered.

          • NeedsFoodBadly

            what’s your objection to Theo Epstein?

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            really?
            im in meetings for awhile. i have a tome on this. but im willing to hand the mic to anyone else who wants to talk theo/carmine for a bit..

          • GrandRapidsRustlers

            You had a piece on here somewhere in the last year in which you just destroyed Theo. Little busy at work for me to try and search the archives but to sum it up for everyone else…he has a brutal track record.

          • NeedsFoodBadly

            Absolutely really. I don’t follow baseball very much at all these days, football and basketball are my sports. My impression was that Epstein helped build that World Series-winning team. I recall some nastiness in relation to either him or Francona getting burned in the Boston press by some owner-directed hitpiece, but I don’t remember much past that.

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            “But good statistical analyses can help you build a better team…”

            not if you become a slave to them. for example, the 2004 redsox had probably the most dramatic world series win ever and the clubhouse of ‘idiots’ was a factor in that success but not one that can be measured. the very next year theo epstein let orlando cabrera walk and his .294 BA* leave and spent more money in acquiring edgar renteria. iow, epstein disrupted the clubhouse and spent more money because renteria’s OBP in 04 was .327 vs cabrera’s .320.

            but that’s just one example. this link asks boston.com voters to vote for best and worst epstein signing and it says it all. unlimited payroll + unchecked wonkery yielded this list.

            intangibles must be factored into building a Team. a Team is specifically NOT a fantasy statistical algebra problem.

            however Sloan is dedicated to glorifying the pseudo-sophistication of Moneyball. to this i say: theo epstein.

          • Steve

            “a Team is specifically NOT a fantasy statistical algebra problem”

            Still with the strawmen.

            And your argument is basically – sometimes free agent signings don’t work out, no matter how smart you are. Gee, thanks. The list of bad free agent signings based on non-statistical reasonings easily trumps the bad ones based on statistics. But if you’re convinced that Orlando Cabrera is the reason the Red Sox one the World Series, I don’t know what will get through to you.

            Theo Epstein took a team that hadn’t won a Series, and continually underachieved compared to its payroll and turned them into two time champions, and won mid 90 games almost every year. How many other Boston managers have done that?

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            you’re positing that theo epstein’s BILLION DOLLARS of free agent expenditure to win ONE* world series via the only significant contribution in five years and 14×5=$70MM from jd drew and with a team payroll of over $140MM competing against our indians whose team payroll in 2007 was ~$60M and also against a rockies payroll that was less than the indians’ demonstrates a new wisdom to be found in ‘baseball analytics?’

            ok.

            who’s really building the strawmen here?

            lol.

            *the first series was primarily duquette players.

          • Steve

            The Red Sox best player in 2004 was Ortiz, their best pitcher was Schilling. Both acquired under Epstein’s watch. That you won’t give him credit is laughable.

            And of course having money to spend makes a big difference. But compare the pre-Epstein Sox to the teams under him. Notice a difference?

          • Steve

            There is no evidence that someone who tracks rebounds is more of a fan of the individual or math or process than the team. You are just making stuff up now.

            And the game becoming an incidental data point is the worst strawman of all time when it comes to SABR/APBR. Finding the little things that make a difference in who wins the game in the numbers is not trivializing the entire outcome. Its the same thing as the scout who watches every route a receiver runs over and over again and notices that by the 4th quarter, he rounds off every single one.

          • alexb

            no he’s not, I see it with all my fantasy league buddies…they’ve become less fans of the team and more of their “portfolio” of players. This is a bastardization of sports. Math ruins everything.

          • Steve

            Agree that fantasy sports gets people to root for players over teams. But sabermetrics =/= fantasy. Math doesn’t either.

        • nj0

          I love Moneyball and sabermetrics, but I LOATHE Chuck Klosterman.

        • Cranky M

          Liked for hating Chuck Klosterman. He’s the worst.

          • BIKI024

            why do you hate Klosterman?? dude made his bones at the Beacon Journal.. gives a lot of love to AK-rowdy

          • Cranky M

            I find his writing style to be absolutely atrocious. He comes across as a smug, self-important, hipper-than-thou dipshit. I’ve never read anything that he’s written without wanting to punch my monitor by the time i’m finished.

          • BIKI024

            wait are you talking about Klosterman or Frownie??

          • nj0

            I personally have never thought of Frowns as hip.

          • actovegin1armstrong

            Frownie was very hip when yoga had it’s 15 minutes of popularity. Every dog has his day, I may get my 15 minutes of being cool if laying around watching sports ever becomes hip.

          • nj0

            I have always liked Mark Ames’ take down town of Kloosterman. A little over the top on the ad homs, but the criticism of his writing and content are right on.

            http://nypress.com/the-flip-flop-king/

          • Cranky M

            See, that stupid excerpt where Klosterman compares his relationship to Sid and Nancy…a single paragraph, and yet i wanted to punch my computer in the face by the time i was finished reading it.

        • actovegin1armstrong

          jk,

          Moneyball is about winning games and picking players intelligently. I love Moneyball.
          Please do not associate it with “fantasy sports”.

          Billy Beane does not care if you have Roger Schobotnick as your starting left fielder.

          Moneyball and its intelligent derivatives are about winning real games.
          Fantasy sports just bore the hell out of me.

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki
          • Steve

            It does not. If you don’t know what it’s about, you should sit the next round out, champ.

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            more cab jeeves, this ruffian is speaking about the impact of statistics on baseball talent evaluation and i’m quite sure he’s not Main Line.

          • actovegin1armstrong

            jk,
            Please do not bring P. G. Wodehouse into this, he is a hero of mine. Wodehouse is absolutely brilliant at turning a phrase, pure comic genius.

          • Steve

            You’ve come here and spouted on a topic that you don’t know the first thing about, and then have the audacity to complain other people are smug?

            You know who’s smug? The guy who can’t be bothered to figure out that Moneyball, a book about how a small market team was trying to find advantages any place they could, is more or less the equivalent of fantasy sports.

            The word sabermetric is derived from the Society of American Baseball Research, an organization that looks to understand more about the game in total, and not just simply statistics. It’s about being smarter about the game, you know, kind of like that X’s and O’s post that we see here once a week.

            Which leads me to something that has always been curious to me. What about sports makes it so unique that it is acceptable, and sometimes preferable, for people to wave their ‘I-cant-be-bothered-to-learn-more’ flag? If you went into your job and told your boss something to the extent of “I’m not going to keep up with the newest technology that might affect us, we already know enough”, where do you think that will lead to?

          • Steve

            *isn’t more or less the equivalent of fantasy sports”

          • Kamov

            I thought it was basically a philosophy of using statistics to find categories that appear to correlate to winning games and then finding which of those categories are undervalued by the market.

            Hypothetical Example: In this example, the “common wisdom” aka “gut feelings”/”eye-tests” stat shall be Batting Average, and the more ignored, unvalued stat shall be On-Base Percentage. You perform a statistical analysis, discovering that Batting Average and On-Base Percentage both correlate to winning. Then, you look at how each stat is valued by the free-agent market. What you see is that Batting Average is being overvalued, while On-Base Percentage is being undervalued. Then, you look for free-agents with lower batting averages but high OBP and sign them for cheap. You now have a lineup of grafters and journeymen of what the rest of the league sees as average talent, but when the season starts everyone notices how they’re producing dink and dunk runs so consistently that your offense is actually quite productive. Thus, your team improves beyond your normal spending capacity.

            That is my impression of Moneyball from the articles I have read on it.

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            lookit. it’s fine to use math to help do stuff. but assembling a winning baseball team is not seismic analysis. im simply calling bullshit on the idea that the northwest passage for baseball has been discovered. im not super emotional on the subject. frankly the earl cammembert resemblance really is the topic on which i feel on most stable ground. but the ‘moneyball’ myth is so… ‘now.’ so hip. look how smart i am.

            for example:
            … the game was incubating among bright young minds not long out of elite colleges, including Epstein, Jed Hoyer (Wesleyan), Ben Cherington (Amherst) and, upon joining them in December of that year, Josh Byrnes (Haverford). They understood that statistics represented a reservoir of information—and a potential competitive advantage.

            GAG ME. ok? just gag me. so we’re not only on a false smarter-than-you-are premise; we’re also enthralled with small private diplomas are proof of smartness now?

            the whole fucking moneyball-sloan-epstein-carminethecomputer thing is just so very elitist. and smug. while at the same time demonstrably wrong-headed.

            (much like baseball itself and its preposterous uneven playing field for talent acquisition.) (and let us not forget that the statistical outlier success of beane’s a’s -who have regressed to mean- is ante’d up as a proof point that a system where one team’s payroll can be 10x than its competitor is not a problem.)

            mind you. i really dont care. lol. dont care about moneyball. do care about truth.

          • Steve

            Which of those GMs has even suggested they are smarter than you? You took an article, where the point is to write an enthralling story.

            And the elitist isn’t the guy who is always trying to learn more. The elitist is the guy who thinks he already knows enough.

    • jaws.

      I wouldn’t go too negative yet. By all accounts, Scheiner is smart and good at whatever he did for the Cowboys. Tells me that the Haslam/Banner regime wants the best guys working around them. The fact that Scheiner is a ‘staple’ at the Sloan conference is nothing but a good thing. This shows that Haslam/Banner just might be willing to look at the game with some outside perspective; not just the same backward “only this and this can possibly work in the NFL” outlook of the grizzled ol football guys. Ultimately, this guy isn’t the new GM, he isn’t the new coach.

      Lets give Haslam/Banner a chance. If they hire Lombardi/Andy reid, then you can panic. But they just might move forward with the right guys and bring us some good Browns football.

  • Bryan

    I am a big fan of this hire. Schiener seems like an impressive, data-drive, analytical guy. I posted this yesterday, but I think its relevant so I am posting again. The Sports Guy tweeted the following:

    “So happy for Alec Scheiner – a Sloan Conference staple and one of the smartest people I’ve met in sports. Just as happy for Browns fans.”

    As Frowns pointed out, the SG likes Mike Lombardi, so he is not perfect, but he generally doesn’t suffer fools in the front office. And if he thinks Schiener is “one of the smartest people” he has met in sports its highly unlikely that Schiener is a terrible hire. Obviously, there is no guarantee he will be successful, but I don’t think he lacks talent, and I am excited to see Banner/Haslam bring in a young, hungry guy with clear talent rather than a re-tread like Holmgren.

    • Cranky M

      A Bill Simmons recommendation does absolutely nothing for me. Scratch that; it actually makes me dislike the hire. Simmons is terrible. He talks up anybody with whom he has a buddy-buddy relationship. According to Simmons, Daryl Morey is the best GM in basketball.
      Spoiler alert: Daryl Morey is not a very good GM. He spent the last 3 or 4 seasons acquiring ill-fitting parts just for the complete longshot of being able to trade for Howard. Only none of his pieces were actually very good, so he whiffed completely.
      And don’t tell me “yeah, but he ended up with Harden,” because Harden has proven so far that he is not good enough to be a number one option on an NBA team. Look at his stats. Last i checked, he was shooting under 25% in isolation situations. You know, the very situations they acquired him for.

      • Steve

        Of course, Harden’s total efficiency is just as high as it was before. Yes, he’s making less of his jumpers, but he’s doing more on the court than he was before. He wasn’t added just to win one-on-one matchups, but to make the entire team better. He’s doing the latter.

        And what exactly should Morey have done? Assemble a bunch of bunch of mediocre pieces and play for a .500 season and first round playoff loss? That seems even dumber than missing on Howard and settling for Harden.

        • Cranky M

          That’s the problem. He painted himself into a corner with the strategy of acquiring as many mediocre players as he could in hopes of making a trade, rather than actually assembling a team that made any sort of sense. He made zero attempts to assemble a legitimate team. He simply threw a bunch of players together and crossed his fingers that he could trade them for Howard.

          Where did you see statistics indicating that Harden’s efficiency is just as high as it was before? No stat that i’ve seen has implied anything like that. He went bananas the first handful of games, and has struggled pretty consistently ever since.

          And they DID acquire him to be the go-to scorer. And he has struggled mightily with that role. If your go-to guy and primary scoring option can’t actually score in isolation, then he probably shouldn’t be your primary scoring option. Not saying he isn’t a really good player. I like Harden’s game. Just saying, when you spend 4 years doing nothing but assembling pieces for a trade, then Harden seems like a fairly weak pay-off. Mayhaps he should have actually tried building a team, instead of just stockpiling trade assets that nobody actually had much interest in.

          • NeedsFoodBadly

            Read an article on this recently that blames some of the Rockets troubles on Lin and Harden not working well together. Might explain Harden’s numbers some – http://nba.si.com/2012/12/17/jeremy-lin-james-harden-houston-rockets/?sct=hp_t11_a8&eref=sihp

          • BIKI024

            Houston’s problem is not their offense, they have no problem with putting up points.. their defense is turrrrible, absolutely atrocious. there isn’t one guy on the roster who can play a lick of defense.

          • Cranky M

            Which is a reflection of Morey. He put together an offensive team with no defense, only the offense isn’t actually good enough to compensate for the lack of defense.
            Like i said, the Rockets aren’t terrible and Morey isn’t the worst GM in the league. But he certainly isn’t the best. Simmons has no credibility whatsoever in regards to this stuff.

          • BIKI024

            their model is to outscore the opponent, regardless of how bad their defense is. Obviously McHale’s sad family situation may sputtered some of their growth early on together, but they are def a fun team to watch, might have the best backcourt in the NBA.

            plus it’s nice to see a dude from Cleve do well.. will be interesting to see how their year goes..

          • Steve

            So he assembles a bunch of mediocre pieces. Where has that ever gotten you in the NBA? You have to go big or go home. His choices were line up for a trade for a superstar, or tank everything and hope he gets the #1 pick in the right year.

            And I’ll take a link to the isolation situation stat. Even so, he’s scoring at an incredibly efficient rate. PER is the same as last year.

          • Cranky M

            http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/224947//

            “James Harden shot 45 percent on isolation shots last season on approximately two attempts per game, which ranked him among the NBA’s ten best iso scorers.As the focal point of the Rockets’ offense this season, however, Harden is shooting 25 percent on roughly four shots per game.”

          • Steve

            I’d like to wait until the sample size increases, but my point still stands. He’s doing everything else more than well enough. He wasn’t traded for just to make isolation jumpers.

          • Randy

            Damn, he’s a poor shooter on 4 of his shot attempts per game? That sucks. Good thing he’s super efficient on the other 13 shot attempts. Are you serious with that critique?

          • Cranky M

            Do you watch the NBA? I’m not even being a smart-ass, i’m sincerely asking. That question would lead me to believe that you don’t watch it very often.
            You yourself said you need a superstar to win in the NBA. I fail to see how somebody who can’t score in isolation, which is probably the most common strategy employed when a team absolutely needs a score down the stretch, can be considered a superstar. If you can’t score against your man one-on-one, if you can’t score without being set up by your teammates, how are you a superstar? Please name me a single other “superstar” in the NBA who can’t score in isolation. Just one.

            So, he spent 4 years acquiring pieces to trade for a superstar, and ended up with a dude who can’t score without being set up by his teammates.
            Bravo.

            Like i said, he’s a good player. He is not a “superstar.” If your 4-year plan culminates in acquiring a player who isn’t a superstar, it probably wasn’t a very good plan.

          • Cranky M

            It’s also worth noting that the reason he only takes 4 shots from isolation plays per game now is because he is so terrible in those situations. If he was any good in them, that number of attempts would obviously be much higher. The Rockets have recognized that he struggles in that situation, and thus they have decreased the number of isolation plays they run for him.

            So, you know….he’s one of those superstars whose own team realizes that he can’t score in isolation.Just like that other perimeter player superstar, um….let’s see….um……

          • Cranky M

            “So he assembles a bunch of mediocre pieces. Where has that ever gotten you in the NBA?”
            That’s kind of my point. And when you’re doing it just for the absurdly slim chance of trading for a center who would be there for exactly one season before bolting in Free Agency, it makes even less sense.

        • Steve

          Also, agree completely on Simmons, and he certainly overrates Morey. I just don’t think Morey is a bad GM. He took a team that was completely dependent on McGrady and Ming, and kept it’s head above water after they left. We’re not talking about a miracle-worker, but that’s better than most NBA GMs.

          • Cranky M

            Not saying he’s TERRIBLE. But i certainly don’t think he’s the best. Simmons seems to. As far as i can tell, the only reason he thinks that is because they are friends. Which renders his opinions on GM’s and whatnot completely worthless, in my view. Especially when said GM or president is a personal acquaintance of his. No way he would say anything even remotely bad about them/

      • bupalos

        Absolutely on Simmons. How you can spill that much ink and really not even occasionally happen on a good point or idea I don’t know. Simmons is practically content-free.

      • nj0

        Rockets are in a tough position because they don’t seem willing to go the full rebuild route so they end up being constantly mediocre. There’s some talk that Morey is often handcuffed by ownership.

        That’s not to say he’s good mind you, just things I’ve heard.

        • Cranky M

          If that truly is the case, then i would give him a bit of a pass.
          I just hate that strategy: screw putting together a legitimate team that actually fits together in a sensible way; let’s just stockpile as many mediocre players as we can for 4 straight years, and pray that we can trade them for somebody decent!

          • nj0

            not to mention a guy who most likely doesn’t even want to play for your team and would rather walk away from money than be there

          • Cranky M

            Exactly. Even if he HAD acquired Howard (which was an enormous longshot, since none of the Rockets assets were actually very good), the chances of him resigning were slim to none.
            So he mortgaged 4 years just for the EXTREMELY slim chance of trading for a player that would be their for a single freaking season. Terrible strategy.

          • Steve

            I wouldn’t say it was extremely slim. And it’s not a terrible strategy in the NBA. The only way to win in the NBA is to get a superstar. You do what you can to try and get one. And it’s not like he completely mortgaged the team for four years. They kept their head above water. This isn’t the Cavs who completely bottomed out and still haven’t done anything to suggest they will be picking later than 5 once again this year.

          • Randy

            He had a winning season every year he was supposedly “mortgaging” his future. What would you have had him do instead? If you don’t have at least one superstar, you will not win a title. Period.

      • maxfnmloans

        yeah, he used to be insightful or at least entertaining. Now instead of writing, he has podcasts and the Grantland Youtube Channel, and ESPN spots, and his writing has suffered as a result. I’m sure he’s making piles of cash and life is good and all, but he’s a long way from where he used to be. Good for him, bad for his fans.

        • Cranky M

          Grantland is such an unbelievably terrible website. It’s truly awful. Could have been something really good, and it ended up being a bunch of idiotic nonsense. Also: Klosterman.

          • NeedsFoodBadly

            A lot of it’s junk, but what do you think about Barnwell and Lowe? They seem pretty legit.

          • maxfnmloans

            Yeah. Getting Lowe away from SI.com was something of a coup. He is probably one of the 5 best NBA reporters on the interwebz today (wild guess, I really have no clue) Barnwell loves him some advanced metrics, but he generally has some good content in his articles.

          • Cranky M

            I like Lowe’s old stuff, but his articles on Grantland just seem overly perfunctory to me. I almost get the impression that his articles for Grantland are an afterthought.

            I will give you Barnwell, he’s good.

            But Barnwell and Lowe aren’t nearly enough to outweigh the rest of the garbage on there.

      • Randy

        He’s also spent the last 5+ years never putting out a team with a losing record and without having a single star player in a market that can’t/doesn’t attract marquee free agents.

        If you think he’s done a bad job, you need to reexamine your definition of success.

        Admittedly very little in the way of playoff achievement (so far), but he’s also in the much tougher Western conference.

        The “COUNT THE RINGZ”-ification of Fandom is not something I expect to see in a Cleveland Frowns comment section, yet it happens considerably too often.

        • Cranky M

          Thanks for completely ignoring large portions of my statements. I said i don’t think he’s very good, and he’s certainly not the best. I also said, repeatedly, that he is not terrible. He is average.

          But i think his strategy was terrible over the past few years. So he never had a losing record. They also never had a very good record, and they certainly haven’t been a legitimate threat. On the flip side, he never allowed them to bottom out enough to get a high draft pick. I have news for you: barely keeping your head above water is not a good strategy in the NBA.

          And if you think acquiring a multitude of ill-fitting pieces with no intention of actually assembling a good team and no strategy whatsoever aside from “well, hell, let’s just cross our fingers and hope we can trade them for a guy who doesn’t want to play here” is a good idea, then i don’t know what to tell you.

          Simmons has said that he is the best, and he has said so because they are friends. Thus, he has no credibility in these matters. Which is the point.

    • Bryan

      I appear to have set off a series of anti Simmons rants. I tend to agree SG has gone downhill over the years. My point was more that, regardless of whether you like him, he has made his name by making fun of the classic old-boy networks both in sports journalism and in front offices. The guys he likes are analytical, data-driven executives like Presti, Morey, Epstein, Bill James, Billy Beane, Belichick, etc. Whether you personally like all of these guys is beside the point. The point is that if Simmons describes someone as “the smartest guy” he has ever met in sports, that guy is very likely an analytical type of guy who is not representative of an “old-boy” network. If you like executives like this, then you should be excited about Schiener.

  • GrandRapidsRustlers

    I’m really torn on this…

    On one hand this tells me you can slap a logo on the helmet and get the retractable roof ready. You can also make room for the Victoria’s Secret store outside of the club seats (yes this is a thing in Dallas, just make sure to have a lot of XXL stocked when the Steelers are in town).

    The other side of this is that I just don’t give a shit about the business side. If you have not yet figured out they are trying to squeeze every last penny…well get ready for it.

    It would be nice if the SABR community could help the football side. The constant punting in your own territory BS and never just randomly going for 2 to change the trajectory of a game but we are just not there yet.

    All of this being said. Since 1999. No playoff wins. No home playoff games.

    It really can’t get any worse unless Mike Brown and Haslam decide to switch.

    • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris Mc

      I can see it now…

  • spencer096

    apologies if someone else mentioned this, but isn’t scheiner in charge of off-field operations and didnt have much to do with the team’s personnel. if so…then absolutely he qualifies as “successful.”

    • BIKI024

      correctamundo

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1kbBmlAvdI PML

      That’s right, money. Your money’s happiness is all that moneys.

  • alexb

    omg these sports analytics faggots. Really? God the whole world breaks everything down into statistics, we’re all expendable stats to someone. Sports was one of the last refuge’s of the grown ass man. It’s pretty much over isn’t it?

    • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris Mc

      Um…what?

    • GrandRapidsRustlers

      One is named Billy Bean the other is Billy Beane. Neither one of them deserved to be called names.

    • nj0

      Yeah, stats in baseball are a new phenomenon.

      I blame the feminist and gay rights movement.

      • SteamingPileOfCraphonsoThorpe

        I blame Obama.

        Obama = 5 letters
        Stats = 5 letters

        Fact! Science! I win the internet for the day.

      • NeedsFoodBadly

        Math is an invention of the liberal media. Karl Marx invented multiplication tables while wearing a dress. Everyone knows a grown ass man shows his manhood by not knowing nothing and not caring who knows.

        • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris Mc

          THAT’S RIGHT. YOU TELL HIM TO TAKE HIS LEFT WING MATHMATRICKS SOMEWHERE ELSE AND LEAVE OUR GUNS AND HEALTHCARE ALONE.

    • technivore

      Wow. Yeah how dare some sports fans who also like math apply their math skills to understanding sports? Man that TOTALLY kills my personal enjoyment of sports too. I mean, just knowing that some pencil necked geek out there with a pocket protector and a slide rule is deriving equations means I, A GROWN ASS MAN, CAN NO LONGER ENJOY SPORTS.

      • alexb

        If you need to apply math skills to understanding a sport you should probably just not watch the sport. Honestly.

    • technivore

      Also, take your homophobia somewhere else, asshole.

      • nj0

        Thank you.

      • alexb

        You know what’s funner than watching a sport and then applying mathematical algorithms to players performance data in the hopes of trying to predict future performance because that’s as close as one will ever be to actually having a set??? oh c’mon guess.
        ok ok I’ll tell ya……ACTUALLY PLAYING A SPORT. But just getting removing oneself from the armchair to go out and look at the sun for 3 minutes a week wouldn’t hurt either.

        • Kamov

          It’s of course completely true that being physically active and intellectually active are mutually exclusive things and that one person’s definition of fun is homosexual if it does not include physical activity of a non-homosexual nature (not including taking snaps from center – that is encouraged even if your center’s ass starts to bleed). Ergo, physical fun is better because you can’t do both.

          I am only able to communicate this due to my mistaken devotion to intellect instead of manliness. The misery of never having fun is no more than the just punishment I deserve. I am also unable to stand in full sunlight due to the mucous-coated pastiness of my nerdskin, developed only after devoting myself to this lifetime of wrongness. Furthermore, I type this from a mildew filled basement in my mother’s house as a cancerous drain on society while stuffing my face with government-purchased Big Macs.

          • actovegin1armstrong

            Kamov,

            Well written, but you forgot the most important part….

            McRib is coming back!!

            Mom said she will throw one down in the basement for me.

            I will probably drop it again this year because I can not catch, but they are just as good off the floor.

          • alexb

            uggghh, you’re one of these post modern sissyfied little pussies aren’t you? So your take on my assertion that statistics and math should have relatively little to do with sports is that I’m claiming being physically active and intellectually active are “Mutually exclusive”? You really went ankle deep in that one huh? FFS And “manliness”? I don’t even know what that means because getting out and playing sport and running and all that….women should be doing too. So if you thought it was some cro magnon assertion of mine that to be “real man” you gotta go out and kill something that walks on 4 legs or beat someone physically in some respect……you are the idiot that comes across in your post. If someone is truly active in a sport or physical activity, they get it about the whole statistical analysis that’s trying to slither it’s way into every aspect of our lives. Sports was perhaps the last area of our society where people could transcend the parameters imposed on the rest of us by probability. It’s the realm where a late 6th round nobody would go on to win 3 SB’s and be perhaps the greatest qb of all time. If your still not getting it than just stfu and gtfo.

          • Kamov

            LOL.

  • BIKI024

    with Josh McDaniels rumors swirling, now’s as good as a time as ever to let the Ryan Mallet rumors begin: http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2012/12/nfl-rumors-ryan-mallet-to-replace-brandon-weeden/

    • NeedsFoodBadly

      Yeah, would be curious about people’s reactions to this (Albeit, yet another semi-ridiculous rumour) . All I remember about Mallet is the nose candy whispers around draft time. Anyone got substantial opinions on the guy?

      • Kamov

        No, but I got opinions on these sorts of rumors. Just because a guy is sitting behind a Hall-of-Famer doesn’t mean he’s secretly really good.

        For reference, see: Matt Flynn, Matt Cassel.

        Also, Mallet’s limited pro stats don’t point to anything worth trading for. His only evident quality is that if Bill Belichick wants him he MUST be REALLY GREAT OMG OMG.

  • atdietz80

    Now that Bill Simmons is part of the establishment, he’s hate-able, I guess. Personally, I think some people may be jealous of his meteoric rise and success. I see a man who is doing exactly what he wants in life: getting paid to be a sports fan and paid handsomely. In my mind, that is to be congratulated, not derided. Success is not an evil in this world.

    • Cranky M

      Yes, i’m just jealous of him because my own blog that never actually existed didn’t become as successful as his.

    • Cranky M

      Sorry, i’m especially cranky at the moment. Didn’t intend to sound like such a jerk…..

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      im not derisive of his success.
      not even particularly derisive of his writing.
      im derisive of his obsequiousness.

      • atdietz80

        Behavior befitting a fan.

  • atdietz80

    Why is there a picture of Chris Grant as the new team president of the Browns? Let’s hope that the Browns don’t draft the equivalent of Tristan Thompson with our first pick. Chris espouses to the same sort of analytical approach to talent procurement as Scheiner.

    • Cranky M

      *sigh*
      Who exactly would have been a better pick at number 4 than Tristan Thompson that year?

      • atdietz80

        Kenneth Faried.

        • Cranky M

          Why? Faried is a nice player, but he’s undersized and doesn’t have anywhere near as much potential as TT. And there’s no way he would be doing much better than TT on this Cavs team.

          It was known when TT was drafted that he was raw and it would take him a while to develop. Even the Cavs admitted that he was a project. So the fact that people are already writing him off after little more than a full season is completely absurd. He’s what, 21? A 21-year old PF with all the athleticism in the world, and people are ready to give up on him. Just plain silly.
          Not to mention that he’s already a good defender.

          • atdietz80

            Tristan Thompson = Chaun Thompson. A good motor does not trump awareness. TT is an athlete playing basketball. Same with Chaun on the gridiron. TT cannot make a shot further than a dunk. Unless he can dunk from the free throw line, he won’t be worth a shit.

          • Cranky M

            Well, it’s obviously very reasonable of you to expect a 21-year old PF (who was known to be a developmental project) to be a finished product little more than one full season into his career. And by “very reasonable,” i obviously mean unbelievably freaking asinine. Because, you know, obviously, if he isn’t a finished project after one season, he will NEVER be any good.

            You might want to try watching a Cavs game sometime this season. I’ve watched every game so far, and i can tell you that TT is much better than you’re giving him credit for. Throw in the fact that, again, he’s 21 FREAKING YEARS OLD and everybody knew it would take him a few full seasons to develop, and your opinion of him becomes even more misguided.

  • nj0

    Does my love for Skinny by Alex Bevan make me awesome or lame?

    Does my love for this particular home made video of Skinny by Alex Bevan make me more or less awesome/lame?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgvZjtwWQOI

  • Going_Ape

    From his biography, Alec comes across as very legally savvy on the business side (contract negotiations, sales of ownership interests, team relocations, etc.), with not much mention of real experience on the analytic side.

    http://www.sloansportsconference.com/?p=88

  • ChuckKoz

    Falcons -4 (Lions)
    Central Florida -7 (Ball St)

    Possibly upgrading one of these to essay, tbd

  • trashycamaro

    Off topic but…can anyone recommend a good Tribe site – I am in Mia, FL and I NEED to rant about signing mother fucking Mark Reynolds, but the Browns have enough issues that I do not need to cloud up this site as well

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