Redskins visit the home of Wahoo

by Cleveland Frowns on December 16, 2012

It’s a special day with the worst team name in professional sports — also the last NFL franchise to integrate — visiting the home of the worst logo in the history of anything for the first time since 2004.

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With rookie phenom Robert Griffin III out today for the Washington Redskins, the Browns are poised for their fourth consecutive at-least-theoretically-Shurmur-saving win against severely impaired opponents. The injuries to Ben Roethlisberger and now RG3 have unfolded in a way that’s naturally perfectly in keeping with our preseason prediction for this bunch. But still, anything could happen, so as always, grab your flask and say your prayers. This is your gameday open thread for Week 14. Use it lovingly and wisely as always.

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Also, if you missed it yesterday, my cousin was (for real) on an airplane with Brandon Weeden’s cousin, who had some things to say about the Browns.

Plus here’s another good read on the history of the Redskins name by Michael Tomasky in the New York Review of Books, and the above image is from Craig Robinson who does good work.

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    HEY!!
    IT’S JIM KANICKI DAY at the stadium!!
    and here’s the ring he’ll be wearing.

    • mo_by_dick

      No way you don’t issue an essay in favor of the Browns then, right?

    • BIKI024

      kanick! can you please swap my Niners pick with the Browns PK please. thank you sir!

      • Petefranklin

        Only if Collin Cohard gets to switch his too.

        • BIKI024

          i shoulda stuck with him!

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      I hope you take today’s performance as a deep personal insult.

      • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

        i maintained.
        but jim houston went all keith moon on our luxury box.

        • BIKI024

          love jim houston, grew up in neighborhood that used to be his land that he sold to developer in the 70′s. about 50 acres with his house still on it, but i believe he moved in the 80′s. had an amazing 2-way career at OSU

        • Petefranklin

          I lived around the corner from him in Middleburg in the 70′s, he had a bright orange garage door kind of like our helmets.

      • dukem1

        I saw the movie “Drive” when it was in the theaters. I knew it was some kind of kill-me-twice movie, which is OK, but I got Mrs.Dukem1 to come along…she’s a bit of a piston-head and we thought there would be a cool car chase or something…so, my quick film review to folks I spoke to re “Drive” was – if you ever wanted to see Albert Brooks stab someone in the eye with a fork, this is the movie for you!
        Thank you entire Cleveland Browns Football Organization for sticking that football fork in my eye this afternoon!
        I only THOUGHT I had become immune to bad football (and pls excuse me for not phrasing that with a Henry V reference).
        I do believe that 24 hrs ago that this miserable squad, winners of three straight in a dumpster fire of a season, still had, however ephemeral or dreamlike, playoff hopes alive.
        Or at least a with a victory giving us 4 straight and a head of steam headed to a matchup with the Denvers, and then the Pittsburgs and beyond!
        This was the only meaningful game we’ve had in any kind of recent memory…vs a rookie QB in his 1st start…winnable without even stretching ones imagination…and we get our asses handed to us?…at home?
        I’m say I’m on record here as saying I don’t care if its Weedon or McCoy…but if I pick up the paper tomorrow and read that Weeds has announced his retirement from football, I wouldn’t blame him…he’s ultimately just not that good at it.
        TRich?…How do you make it in the pros when your singular move seems to be reaching forward with the ball while you’re laying on your belly…How crummy is every other RB on this team when the coaches tell them,- “eh – glad to know you’re ready to go, but we’re gonna go with the guy with the broken ribs” – (soon to come: broken will.)
        I would have thought that with a couple of wins here in late December we could have at least moved from “rebuild” mode to “steadily improving”.
        But after this I say – take ‘em all…president, GM, coaches…all the way down to the waterboys and kill ‘em all.
        Let Art Modell sort ‘em out…….in Hell!

  • dwhalen

    GIANTS +1.5 @ FALCONS. As much as I think the Giants are gonna win this one, I can only hope it isn’t compliments of Victor Cruz, who I face in a battle of fantasy football greatness today.

    $$$ BROWNS PK vs. REDSKINS. $$$
    WE AREN’T GONNA WIN 4 IN A ROW ARE WE? I KINDA DIG WHAT’S GOING ON LATELY, ESPECIALLY ON THE DEFENSIVE SIDE OF THE FOOTBALL. AND THE FUNNY THING IS WE DON’T EVEN HAVE A HEAD COACH WHO IS CAPABLE OF LOGICAL MINOR IN-GAME DECISION MAKING! IMAGINE IF WE DID! I LIKE OUR GM. I LIKE OUR NEW OWNER. I LIKE OUR PLAYERS. I DON’T LIKE OUR HEAD COACH. BUT I ALSO HAPPEN TO LOVE THE FACT THAT WE DON’T HAVE TO PLAY RG3 TODAY. MIKE SHANAHAN IS STARTING THE 2ND ROOKIE QB HE DRAFTED THIS YEAR (WHO HAS SHOWN HE’S ACTUALLY QUITE CAPABLE OF PLAYING WELL IN THE FEW MINUTES HE’S PLAYED), BUT I REALLY DON’T THINK KURT COUSINS COMES OUT AND GETS HIS FIRST WIN IN HIS FIRST EVER START, ON THE ROAD, AGAINST A PLAYOFF HUNGRY 5-8 FOOTBALL TEAM!!!! haha, just saying, it’s still in play with a Steelers loss today. WE’VE GOT NO FOOD, NO JOBS…OUR PETS HEADS ARE FALLIN’ OFF!!!

    COWBOYS +2 vs. STEELERS. Love this point spread. Love that Dez Bryant wants to play and doesn’t care about his health. That’s the way it should be. It’s a finger. Suit up and play ball.

    SEAHAWKS -5.5 @ BILLS. Russell Wilson is my boy. And he has his Seahawks in play for the NFC west crown.

    COLTS +8.5 @ TEXANS. A week after explaining why Andrew Luck may end up with a bust in Canton, but he still isn’t the rookie of the year, he’s the reason I’m giving his team a shot in this one. Texans haven’t been so hot in the secondary lately, and Luck is a tad more athletic than most QB’s. JJ Watt is gonna have his work cut out today.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      I’m just gonna LOL a little bit at your essay, ok?

    • SteamingPileOfCraphonsoThorpe

      So I said to the guy, “It’s a finger. Suit up and play ball.” Then I poked him in the eye with my Mutant Pinky.

      -Brian Baldinger

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

    T-Rich running like that with broken ribs. Beast.

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

    Sheldon making huge plays every week. Though I don’t understand why Ron Pitts said that Cousins made a good throw on that pick. It looked like a horrendous throw, to a receiver with two defenders all over him.

    • nj0

      I wondered the same thing. Pitts sounds like he was pre-gaming with Bernie.

      • jaws.

        the announcer crew for this game was like- godawful. bottom of the bottom of the worst barrel (fox)

  • etc

    Hey neat, McCoy grew a beard. All growd up now.

    • Kamov

      That’s not a beard – it’s just a really good hologram!

      • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

        Can’t believe I fell for that.

        • Beeej

          Asian tech can do that.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      He’ll always be Lil’ Chips to me.

  • etc

    Wow, Weeden looks like crap today. Wtf.

    Kanicki is on this on twitter too.

    I do wonder if the “no interceptions” dictum has him scared.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      Also the defense. It’s like they’ve never seen play action before.

    • NeedsFoodBadly

      It’s great. Don’t throw downfield in order to avoid interceptions!

      Throw interceptions anyways!

      • bupalos

        He just throws shorter interceptions.

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

    Did you guys hear Martz say, “Weeden is just not confident against tight man and that’s what the Redskins do.” This is the 31st ranked pass defense in the league. If there’s any truth to what Martz said it’s a really bad look for Weeds.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      More from Martz: “He’s waiting for guys to run free and it’s not going to happen. You’ve got to throw it and let your receiver make a play.”

      • BIKI024

        Weeds made some throws that let his receivers make a few plays on that drive. great drive

        • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

          He threw to receivers that were in wide open space. Every one of them. The coaching staff gets credit for adjusting there.

          • bupalos

            He also failed to throw to guys that were wide open. 4th and 3 was brutal.

          • Warburton MacKinnon

            He did that often this game,at least 4 times those passes were batted down,and everytime it was Weedens passes,not what the defense did that got them tipped. Yet,I must say,the first int. was a great play by the linebacker.

  • Bryan

    Weeden terrible today. May as well see what Chips can do.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      OH, HEY BRYAN.

      • Bryan

        Its an update league. Weeden’s regression (or inability to adjust, whatever it is) since week 7 has me less convinced he is the solution. I am not rooting for Weeden cause I like him personally. I am rooting for him because I feel he is the best QB prospect on our team. The more he performs like he does today, the more likely I am to change that opinion, and the less upside I see in giving him snaps.

        And if there was ever a time to test the theory that somehow McCoy’s terribleness last year was due to the talent around him (rather than his noodle arm), today was the time. Weeden looked lost and we were technically still in the playoff hunt.

        • jaws.

          I was begging for colt to get a look after the second weeden pick.

  • DarkwingDork

    Curse of the donkey continues. As long as Cuyahoga County remains blue, mediocrity will be its name.

    • etc

      Wait. What?

      • DarkwingDork

        Never mind. Blaming sports mascots is the only acceptable conspiracy theory allowed around here.

      • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

        Nevermind, really.

        • etc

          indeed.

  • Kamov

    Right now I’m thinking that the Redskins aren’t a more talented team than us. This game just really showed the difference between a coach that knows how to game plan for his quarterback’s strengths vs a a coach that gameplans based on his idea of what a quarterback should be able to do.

    • BIKI024

      not sure what Jauron told the defense at halftime, but they obviously underestimated Cousins.. Kyle Shanahan as Browns new HC?

      • Kamov

        I have no idea who the Browns new HC should be. I do know that I believe Heckert should be retained, and it wouldn’t be the worst thing to let him have input in who is hired. He’s basically been the only competent member of the front office since Mangini was fired.

        • BIKI024

          i assume you’re referring to Holmgren, but Sandusky and Spytech and the rest of player personnel/scouting are pretty solid

          • Kamov

            I dunno. To me the front office is: HC, GM, Pres, and maybe the owner too if he’s the meddlesome type. Like, Heckert’s probably in charge of the scouts (?), so if they’re good at their job and he’s good at communicating with them, that reflects well on him.

          • BIKI024

            HC in front office?? nah

        • Petefranklin

          Keep whomever was responsible for firing the previous scouts. It still took Heckart a year after their stench was gone to produce some decent talent.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      In fairness to Shurmurball, an NFL quarterback should be able to do a lot more than what Brandon Weeden can apparently do.

      • NeedsFoodBadly

        Okay, so your quarterback isn’t getting it done. How about going to the running game?

        Oh wait, Shurmurball doesn’t allow running plays in the second half.

        EDIT: as Craig Lyndall pointed out on twitter during the game, both McCoy and Weeden check down so much that it might be the result of coaching.

        • Warburton MacKinnon

          Well,hey,Craig finally sees what everyone else sees.

      • Beeej

        Weeden was pathetic today, but I keep thinking about Matt Cassel his one year starting at New England vs. his time with the Chiefs. I would like to see what Colt could do at this point, but along the same lines I don’t see him being able to overcome Shurmur either.

        • Kamov

          I agree w/both you and Frowns here.

      • jaws.

        yeah and yet theres still people out there defending weeden saying “he needs more time” and then saying we can definitively say that colt had his shot and sucks.

  • BIKI024

    ALL DAY might get the record, he put up 212 today! needs 296 in last 2 games.. he’s rushed for 576 in the past 3 games!

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      SUPERFAN is happy to see somebody doing good somewhere.

      • BIKI024

        happy because i’m moving onto championship round of fantasy football due to AD’s prosess. in the money baby, been a pretty good year for superfan

        • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

          You are one magnificent bastard, Superfan. No one denies this.

          • BIKI024

            nice

        • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

          Superfan, you are one magnificent bastard. No one denies this.

        • Petefranklin

          Since the reverse reverse kabosh worked to the tea, save some of your winnings for me, O.K.?

          • BIKI024

            what was our #? i thought it was 5. why did we have a # that wasn’t what it was everywere else in the world??

  • nj0

    I had assumed that this game was going to be me just getting jealous that the skins’ rookie qb is clearly better than ours. I didn’t think that qb would be cousins though.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      Would RT that if it was a tweet.

    • Defenestration

      Perfectly said.

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

    Watching Russell Wilson lead the Seahawks up and down the field. There’s no way this guy has a better o-line and weapons to work with than Weeden does. There’s just no way.

    • etc

      Coaching really makes a difference.

      God dammit.

      • bupalos

        Jesus Christ ate you serious??! I think shurmurs as useless as any coach in the league but there is simply no way any coach could make any decent qb look this bad.

        Let me put it this way. I have a sneaking suspicion its the ginger cringer who is holding shurmur back more than the other way around. THEY BOTH SUCK to the point that its hardly worth figuring out who’s the car and who’s the pony.

        • NeedsFoodBadly

          I really don’t understand your belief that coaches make very little difference. How do you account for the Saints this year? The Niners? Is Weeden forcing Shurmur to run the majority of his offense through his arm? Did McCoy tell Shurmur “Y’know what, calling an audible is a hassle I really don’t need.”?

        • etc

          > no way any coach could make any decent qb look this bad.

          No, I think there is. The Niners are the best example. Alex Smith isn’t Tomb Raidy but he took a crap team under Singletary to the playoffs under Harbaugh.

          Someone on twitter said the Niners have mostly the same personnel these last 3 years which argues for Singletary being the worst coach of that team ever. Now how would Shurmur do there? How would Harbaugh do here?

          Think of any job that requires some decision making. Once you lose confidence in yourself you perform much worse. You second guess, you hesitate, you wonder, you become afraid. In my unlearned opinion that’s why Smith was terrible for so long and why Weeds sucks now. Give them both confidence (and a simpler playbook) and they’ll thrive.

          • bupalos

            I’ll give you that Shurmur probably ain’t helping. But Weeden is posting the worst numbers in the league. I just don’t think it can be THAT kind of difference.

    • jaws.

      seahawks line and weapons aren’t bad, but yeah our coaching is terrible and Weeden is just plain not very good. The post where we compared him to colt is really starting to look smart.

  • Corey

    The big question(s) I have are: 1. What are the plays that are called designed to do? If the plays are designed to be 5 yard dump offs then I cannot blame Colt or Weeden, because Shurmur does not allow them to audible. 2. Are the coaches telling Weeden to not throw down field unless the receiver is wide open (like Benjamin was), or do they coach him that guys wont be open like they are in college and you have to make accurate throws? 3. Are the receivers open? I tend to think that they are seeing as they are athletically gifted. Of course without the coaches tape I cannot tell for sure. But again, the theory is that if they are not getting open it is neither Weeden’s fault or Clots for checking down. 4. Finally, is anyone coaching Weeden on not staring down his receivers? It seems to me that at this point in the season teams have their “core” plays that the offense should know instinctively and that Weeden should be able to look of defenders and still know exactly where his receivers will be. He has the arm and has touch that DA lacked, but he seems incapable of going through progressions, sensing pressure, and looking off the defense. Very unsettling.

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      like button. every point is on mark.

    • bupalos

      I think another way to phrase this is “is it really possible that weeden sucks as bad as it seems, or is this entire coaching staff and wr core worse than your average junior high regime.?”

      I admit I have to pause, but let’s be real. Occam’s razor says Weeden is out of the league within 2 years.

    • SteamingPileOfCraphonsoThorpe

      1. WCO features a lot of short, timing throws and throws to the backs, so, probably.
      2. Given the “throw fewer interceptions” edict from Pat at the bye week, my guess is they have made him skittish about tight coverage.
      3. They have gotten open more consistently this year, so the Weeds is definitely at fault at times for not seeing the open man, but…
      4. …yes, no one coaches a guy to stare receivers down; it’s a common flaw for rookie QBs and he has not proven adept at looking off the defense, I’m sure it’s not for lack of coaches telling him to use his eyes to fool the other team.

      If Weeden improves with better coaching, then we’ll have some answers. Otherwise, he’s Chris Weinke all over again.

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

    Would like to hear more from folks about why it’s important that QBR isn’t “predictive.” Discuss.

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

    Also I feel like not enough people are talking about what good work Craig Robinson does.

    • jaws.

      craig and JMJ have pleasantly surprised.

  • GrandRapidsRustlers

    Now that I have had some time to process what I saw today AND laugh at the Steelers…here goes.

    1. My Weeden VP card has vanished. I want to blame the coaching but seeing Cousins and Wilson today just made me sad. Yes, Brandon can spin it but he just does not trust himself.

    2. I won’t throw the defense under the bus today because of the spots that Weeden put them in. They are young and I just love our defensive front. Just need one more DB and a solid LB.

    3. Trent is a man. We know that he is hurt but he just has a nose for the end zone. I smell a huge 2013 season for him.

    4. The pending coaching and QB search is going to be fascinating. I just don’t see a single QB worth drafting and would much rather roll the dice on an Alex Smith and make a playoff run next year.

    5. If that is the last time I see Phil in the home uniform I will be sad. I think kickers matter and it’s a worthy investment.

    • Bryan

      I hope you guys are right about Trent. He has been tough as nails this year, but really not very productive. We had 2nd and 3rd and long all day today because our running game generates so few big plays. Its all on Weeden’s shoulders to move the ball big chunks. And Weeds showed again today he can’t handle that.

      • bupalos

        Don’t see it with weeds, don’t see it with Trent. The former looks like he tops out as an indecisive DA, the latter a Jerome bettis on a team that doesn’t power block.

        • Bryan

          I think Trent could really make a leap next year if he really is hurt. But today I was honestly rooting for Hardesty to get more snaps. Trent is basically just a goaline back right now. I hope that is because of some injury. If not, then it looks like Jim Brown was right about him.

          All that said, our WR core is still impressive and the D has some good pieces. Just need production from QB and RB1.

        • Jim

          Agree on both counts. And if Trent truly is hurt, why do the Browns risk further injury by continuing to play him? I get that technically they were still in the playoff hunt before yesterday’s game, but not even the super fans thought that was a realistic possibility.

          Given the wear and tear that running backs suffer in the NFL, it would make sense to shut him down early. Then again, Shurmur is playing for his job, so Trent will most likely continue to receive 95% of the hand-offs.

    • ChuckKoz

      agree with every point. Specifically feel its very tough to say anything positive about weeden when a fricking 4th round pick schooled him. Or even watching Nick Foles. I know we are supposed to act all patient, but i doubt giving more times to guys like Blaine Gabbert and Brandon Weeden is going to make a difference.

      Would love if we could bring in Alex Smith.

      • SteamingPileOfCraphonsoThorpe

        Gosh, I remember when bringing in the veteran leadership of Jeff Garcia and/or Trent Dilfer was supposed to be the answer. Alex Smith = Garcia/Dilfer?

        Not saying our current QB morass will result in better results, just that we’ve played this game/danced to this music/been to this rodeo before. How often does signing the veteran FA quarterback really work out? Kurt Warner? Reaching back a few years, Steve Young? [Not the same since he wasn't expected to come in and take the reins immediately, but still.] I think the result is far more often disappointing because the other team knows what they’re losing and, this is the key part, they’re cool with it.

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