Seasons Beatings from the Cleveland Browns

by Cleveland Frowns on December 24, 2012

“[Our] record sucks. Everybody is disappointed. We can’t keep coming in here and talking to y’all and saying ‘this is what they did.’ They just beat us.”Joe Haden

“That’s kind of an offensive lineman’s worst nightmare. You get behind and you abandon the run game and it becomes a blitz fest out there.”John Greco

“A couple times I just threw the ball in the dirt to let those guys rest. We were throwing the ball down the field and those guys were tired.”Colt McCoy

“Shurmur’s use of the timeouts to retain one final possession in the closing minutes was a hot topic among players. They were visibly upset on the field and in the locker room.”Tony Grossi

“I was just trying to not get knocked out.”Colt McCoy

“I see all the negativity on twitter after I gave my life to this sh*t. So 2 all u who are against me F*ck all y’all. I’m still gonna do me!”Josh Cribbs

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December in Berea: A tradition unlike any other.

Chips

Smart Tweet

Cribbs Tweet

And this time, along with the latest round of F-bombs unleashed at fans and the otherwise thorough organizational meltdown, we get the extra special flavor of a Cleveland Browns quarterback who, presumably after having had some time to think about this, actually said that he purposely threw the ball in the dirt more than once, on real regular season NFL plays, because he wanted to give his teammates rest, which they needed because they were too tired from running the plays called by the coaching staff.

Even after “I’m really just a rookie,” and “It was a lot of fun out there,” and all the confusion over where to go for playoff tickets, all the “Ask Pats,” the unironic references to umbrella drinks, and everything else, you never would have been able to make the one up about the quarterback who said he threw the ball in the dirt on purpose because his teammates were too tired. A room full of Hollywood’s best wouldn’t have if they were given a month to write the ending that the Mike Holmgren Era, Shurmurball, and LaMonte Industries most deserved in Cleveland.

Quarterback gurus.

So at least we got that. And at least we have each other, and only 122 days until the 2013 NFL draft. Happy Holidays to everyone. To all the times we were good to somebody, and all the times somebody was good to us.

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

    2 other things:

    1: Dick Jauron’s “Think Less Play Faster” defense completely shredded once again by a QB with half a brain.

    2: Weeden hurt his right shoulder. His cousin told us last week that that shoulder was already “messed up” from baseball. Have to wonder how much more now. http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/2012/12/brandon-weedens-cousin-overheard-on-an-airplane-talking-about-the-browns/

    • Henry Brown

      Now Payton Manning has half a brain? Good lord this town deserves this team.

    • Petefranklin

      One of the few plays that I actually saw was when I snuck away from the wifes Xmas party to go to the book was Weeden getting hurt. It didn’t look like much so my first thought was “old baseball injury”.Great minds do think alike, when do we get to see leather helmets?

    • actovegin1armstrong

      Good thing he is a rookie, they heal faster.

  • dubbythe1

    I will be super sad to see Cribbs go, but I will be devastated to see Dawson booting winners for another team. Best of luck to both of them. We are an absolute train wreck, and both the coaching staff, AND the new FO are in the wrong for their “stay the course, we wont make any changes till…” mentality..unless of course when you have a HUGE EFFING DUMPSTER FIRE you just let it burn itself out…
    Merry Christmas Frowns et al, if you all celebrate. May your families bring you warmth and happiness (and limited injury if yours is anything like mine) this time of year.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      Cribbs and Dawson will end up on the same team, either the Steelers or the Ravens. It’s inevitable.

      • Petefranklin

        Thanks for reminding me that my Xmas eve DRINKing is not going for naught.At least we didn’t draft Troy Smith.

      • alexb

        I thought Dawson was retiring? Please tell me he’s not going to be with us next year cause he’s retiring and not because “kickers don’t matter”……..please god.

      • Shadow_play

        No chance that they get split between the two? This making 4 inter-division heart breaks instead of 2?

        • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

          Good point.

  • zarathustra

    After three offseasons the team that Tom Heckert has constructed has proven incapable of getting to six wins. I have to agree with the cleveland media consensus and the knr callers–it would be an outrage if this guy is fired.

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      challenge accepted. let’s try to sift through heckert’s work and see if the acclaim is on target or over-blown.

      i’m compiling a spreadsheet with tabs for draft, free agents, and the contracts for 2010, 2011, 2012.

      but even with data, i’m not quite sure how to evaluate him. on one hand, i think he’s really prone to folding on bluffs on draft day. but on the other hand, i admire his commitment to his pre-draft evals. sure they don’t always pan out, but i respect the boldness. somewhat.

      i’m just going to go through the relevant lines and assign a 1-10 grade based on my take. maybe the data will yield something relevant, maybe not.

      here’s the link to the work-in-process.

      • Petefranklin

        Dont forget that it probably took a year or so to sort out the new scouting department after the old scouting department got fired.

        • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

          roger that.

          welp.. as expected, i’ve got him as a mixed bad.

          overall draft: 5.7
          hits (over ’7′) –> haden, pinkston, sheard, little, taylor, winn, benjamin, hughes.
          misses (under ’3′) –> marecic, miller.
          the fact of having all picks from round four and higher is really good, i’d say. not whiffing is big.

          free agents: 4.5
          hits –> a. smith, watson, rucker, greco, brown
          misses –> jackson, womack, stclair, parker, wallace, pashos, young, patterson
          i’m trying not to ding him for injuries (gocong, fujita, jackson).

          contracts: 5.6
          hits –> thomas, rubin, d.jackson, haden, brown, watson, dawson, mack, rucker, greco
          misses –> patterson, fujita, parker, jackson, wallace, pashos.
          i think the mack and rubin contracts are super and wrapping up thomas was pricey but i like it.

          anyhoos.. this nets out at 5.3. that’s a C+. but i think heckert should get a bonus point for no major future-killing screw-ups. ie, there’s no jamarcus russells on his card.

          i’ll give heckert a solid B on a quick-and-dirty report card.

          • alexb

            you really think Parker is a miss? I think he’s our best lineman, he’s def better than Rucker. I think we can ditch RUcker and try to get Werner or Mingo in the draft.

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            meh. you could be right, i guess. he does have 6 sacks and 3 TFLs both of which are tops on team. but $3,000,000 on the cap for him to back up sheard.

            as for drafting a d-lineman, i think CB is a greater need (by far) and have soured on mingo. but if we go after a DE,,,, holy shit did anyone else see that estonian beast from SMU? Margus Hunt??? 6’8″ runs 4.6 and seemed to play the entire hawaii bowl on meth. yes please.

          • actovegin1armstrong

            Margus Hunt looked great.
            I want to play him at Safety too!

          • alexb

            i’ll have to look at this Hunt cat, at 6’7 though is he gonna get under the pads of some of these elite NFL tackles? What I like about Moore, Wingo and Werner (really like Werner), is that it’ll be possible to run hybrid schemes with them. Those guys can be OLB’ers in 3-4 looks as well as 3rd down rush ends in the 4-3. They give us more versatility….this is exactly what Seattle does. Sometimes they’re in the 3-4 and other times all 4 lineman have their hands down. Baltimore’s been doing alot of this the last couple years too, infact Baltimore has more 4 down lineman snaps than 3-4 over the last 2-3 years which not many people realize. I don’t think we need another prototypical 4-3 lineman in any case…..I agree CB is a need but we’ve drafted alot of secondary the last couple years, not sure ther’es a good prospect at CB anyway. Not sure if we can pass up on some of these guys though this year like mingo, werner and moore. All studs. And that’s assuming Teo isn’t there when we pick, he likely won’t be but what if he is? Can we really pass on that guy?

          • actovegin1armstrong

            Alexb,
            it would be terrific to get Mingo and then play him at safety!
            He has the speed and he would make receivers get alligator arms whenever he was within 20 yards.

          • alexb

            you have to keep up that speed the whole game over a much larger area as a safety. I don’t think a 250lb guy can keep that up all game. But as an OLB it would seem he’d be awesome in coverage and as an edge rush….not sure how he would be against the run.

          • actovegin1armstrong

            Mingo was a 400 meter guy.

      • GrandRapidsRustlers

        Nice. Notice you gave Billy Winn the best grade and then thought about it a few minutes and just silently nodded to myself.

      • zarathustra

        I am very much willing to cede to your superior player evaluation abilities, however, 2010—which is most pertinent because it is the class we have the most information on—seems rather lackluster. I have mentioned this before, but Frowns wrote a post touting Haden as the best Browns pick in like January of that year. With no disrespect at all intended towards Frowns I think it is somewhat telling that an attorney who writes a blog in his spare time can just easily hit on a first round as your team’s gm. The rest is a bunch of meh. 2011 looks pretty solid, but let’s not kid ourselves, probably no pro-bowlers. 2012
        is way too early to tell, but it could still turn out to be a disaster. I hated the Richardson pick (was and still am
        in the tank for Claiborne) at four, let alone trading up to three. I think Richardson could end up being a very
        nice back, but that was a dumb pick at that spot. (This is not even considering that your coach
        and his offense have a history of abandoning the run if down a touchdown midway
        through the first quarter.) I have no
        opinion on Weeden at this point, but I think it is fair to say that the possibility
        exists that he will be a first round miss.
        I could not even begin to properly evaluate offensive linemen so I will
        leave Schwartz alone. Nice to have
        rotational d-lineman (I liked those picks at the time) and regardless of what
        happens with Benjamin it was a good pick to grab a guy with his speed in the
        fourth round.
        From my vantage these are mediocre drafts at best. And even if you like them you are grading on
        a Cleveland curve. Personally I’m fucking
        tired of the Cleveland curve.
        Moreover, as gm doesn’t Heckert bear some responsibility for
        this shitty coaching staff? Even if you
        were to blame this debacle of a coaching staff on Holmgren, how can you
        completely shelter Heckert, who at the very least was consigliore. The fact of the matter is that with three
        offseasons they haven’t been able to surpass five wins and if you think the
        talent is there, but the coaching is holding them back, then shame on him. Let’s be frank here, we all can see that
        Shurmur lacks the mental acumen to be a successful head coach. God bless the guy, but it is very much
        evident to anybody who examines the situation closely. So we can all see it from a far,but Heckert,
        who worked with the guy for close to a decade didn’t see it?

        I am a contrarian, but I promise you I try very hard not be
        a contrarian for contrarian sakes. But
        lately I have been listening to local sports talk and cannot possibly explain
        how infuriating it is. The football
        opinion leaders in our community are a disgraceful lot completely devoid of any
        humility, let alone any accountability for their long history of consistently
        leading the fan base astray. These
        opinion leaders are pretty much universally for keeping Heckert. Call me a simpleton but this alone is enough
        for me to want him fired. Mostly because
        it is very clear that it has nothing to do with Heckert or his
        performance. It is because they don’t
        like his rumored successor on a personal level.
        If I were better humored regarding the local media and the Browns I
        would have a good laugh at the irony that NOW they are lamenting blowing it up
        and starting over.

        • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

          helloo zara and merry xmas.

          youre right about grading on a cleveland curve. but. consider:
          1. the 2007 quinn trade-up not only was a bust on the 1st rounder but also led to the memorable beau bell draft of 2008. (though ahtyba rubin in the 6th in the best pick in the new browns era.)
          2. the 2009 2nd rnd of robiskie, momass, veikune still stings.

          thus the no-whiff thing is worth acknowledging.

          the hardesty and taylor and t-rich trade-ups (plus the weeden reach) are fair game. i’m intentionally giving him on pass on poor poker skills and credit him for getting the guy he wanted.

          so ok, no homeruns on the draft but quite a few contributors. sheard and little in the 2010 2nd round is good maybe great.

          on the coach selection, i dont think heckert had anything to do with it. in fact think it more likely that shurmur gave heckert a recommendation to holmgren. holmgren was locked onto shurmur.

          sidebar:

          in a twist of browns irony, and much like we seem to have gotten the 2012 equivalent of todd blackledge in the elway/kelly/marino 1983 qb draft, checkout the 2011 coaching hires:
          1. rivera panthers: inherited two win team, six wins in 2011, probably six win this year but have a nice win at the georgia dome to build on.
          2. garrett, cowboys: inherited six win team, 8 last year, still in playoff hunt in final week this year.
          3. fox, broncos: inherited 4 win team, won playoff game in 2011 (with tebow), probably best team in afc this year (yes manning helps).
          4. frazier, vikes: inherited 6 win (favre) team, retooled last year, 9 wins this year and wild card playoff team if it ended today.
          5. jackson, raiders: who knows why he got canned but they’re a LOT worse this year than they were under jackson.
          6. harbaugh, niners.
          7. munchak, titans: inherited 6 win team, got them to 9 wins in 2011. no idea what happened this year.

          anyways.. back to heckert.. no i lay the coaching decision on holmgren. he mailed it in. i dont even blame shurmur really because he shouldnt have been hired in the first place.

          • zarathustra

            Merry Christmas to you as well. I don’t think the drafts have been bad; just not anything to foster more than indifference to his job status. And while you are surely right that holmgren is the man you gave us Shurmur, I cannot exonerate the gm–2nd most powerful football man in the organization–from the decision. I find it very hard to believe that he was unaware of Shurmur’s flaws. So either he did not properly counsel the team president on his most important decision or he did not recognize Shurmur’s very apparent shortcomings after a decade together in Philly. Forgivable sin maybe, but you need more than average drafts to get forgiveness from me.

          • actovegin1armstrong

            jk,

            Did you mean to list Taylor as a “trade up”?

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            yep. after the jujones trade, heckert then gave the chiefs a 3rd rounder to move from 27 to 21 to get taylor. so i guess you could say if was part of the major trade-back (jujones) but it was also a trade-up.

            interesting point here, heckert has 4 trade-up draft picks (hardesty, pinkston, taylor, richardson) but 7 trade-downs ([jujones: skrine, marecic, little, taylor, weeden] jmj, hughes). the trade-down the netted hughes and jmj looks pretty good now. link.

        • actovegin1armstrong

          Bravo zoroastrianism!!
          You made some painfully cogent observations.

          • zarathustra

            Thank you! The lapse into cogency was the booze talking.

          • actovegin1armstrong

            What were you drinking? I may try some and see if I may at least come close to making sense for once.

      • actovegin1armstrong

        jk,

        “on one hand, i think he’s really prone to folding on bluffs on draft day”
        You are completely correct, hence the horrible reach up for TRich, (Kalil would have been the next pick anyway) and the (What??) reach up for MoNorthwestTerritories Hardesty.

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

    I can’t believe more people (like who write for the PD, etc.) aren’t talking about how Chips McCoy actually said he threw the ball in the dirt on purpose because the receivers were tired. How does the guy ever get another job in the league after this?

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      i know he ‘said’ that jazz about tired receivers.. but it ‘looked’ more like he took his primary read, it wasnt there, and said, ‘eff the progressions, von miller.’ flashbacked to the marcel dareus thing.
      in either case, it wasn’t great. impossible situation for colt though, in all fairness.

      • NeedsFoodBadly

        It WAS a lot of fun to shout “LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, COLT MCCOY!” when he immediately got sacked on his first play in. Highlight of the evening for me.

      • actovegin1armstrong

        Or the James Harrison hit.

    • jaws.

      once the broncos made it 31, the game was over anyway. We had nothing to play for. If chips was doing anything to keep guys healthy it puts him one step above shurmurball imo.

    • nj0

      You know, that was my first reaction but with some reflection I wonder if other coaches around the NFL might think – Shurmur’s an idiot, getting his people killed, and at least this kid had the backbone to help his guys out and sack up to it to the media.

      • NeedsFoodBadly

        This is actually my take on it.

    • alexb

      he’s full of shit. Weedon was putting down sinkers infront of the plate too….there was something up with grip or something out there, and our guys just didn’t figure it out. McCoy is just making excuses for throwing a couple really shitty fucking balls. I’m sure a guy who is thinking about auditioning for a new team next year is gonna use his chance to throw some Hersheiser specials.

      • actovegin1armstrong

        ab,
        Love the “Verbal Hersheiser specials”!

        • alexb

          In his day he made guys look like they’re trying to play cricket. Best sinker ever?

          • actovegin1armstrong

            Maybe….

            However, I was not the biggest fan of Oral as a player.

            I thought you were referring to the way his “one liners” drop like a lead balloons when he is working as a commentator.

            I was also playing up the way the general populace (not you) tends to use the word verbal, when they should say oral.

            Verbal means written, oral means spoke

          • alexb

            never heard bulldogs commentating….i take it he sux, lol.

    • Butzmark

      I hope the result is that Lewis plays. The guys got the tools though he does have the burden of three years of Shurmer’s coaching.

      • Henry Brown

        Yeah he has like four years with him, including his time in STL

    • actovegin1armstrong

      I am really happy that I called him Clot McChips and it has been catching on!

  • dwhalen

    If Alex Smith isn’t our number one offseason priority, then truthfully, it will be very hard to continue being a fan for this team. I’d like to move to Seattle for a bit and rock the #3 Wilson jersey with the 12th man. No, seriously though the Browns are my team, and the most important thing is the same as it would be in any business anywhere in the world. HIRE THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO WORK FOR YOU. It’s not always easy, but if the new front office can do that, we might be on the right track. If they need an extra set of eyes in the scouting department, or god forbid a fucking quarterback, my phone line is open. Can’t be much worse than the trash we’ve been subjected to watching. Just go get Smith to play QB. get yourself a head coach who doesn’t eat his own boogers. And start winning some games.

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      i’m prepared to accept booger eating if he can get us to the equivalent of a UEFA Finals.

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      you shouldve been a ny giant.

      • Petefranklin

        Or a oldschool Titan!

    • trashycamaro

      ehhh…Smith would just be another stopgap, and likely an expensive one at that. People with recent memories of Jake Delhomme shouldn’t just reach for the first semi-competent QB who might happen along.

      If Smith was cheap, I would say go for it. But he is no better than the guys I listed farther down, and will probably be more expensive to acquire (Moore, Jackson, Webb, Flynn, Henne). Hell, maybe go after Clausen as well.

      I’m really thinking we should sign like 10 QBs and just run a tryout. Clearly drafting them early, late, middle, in between, or whatever is not working.

      Dare I even say Tebow? We got the rangy guys to work deep – let’s get the deep ball QB who will also maximize Trent. Hell, offer Chips + Weeden for the Tebow and Sanchez package. They’re both better than who we have, right?

      • Henry Brown

        Clausen? Are you effing kidding me?

        • actovegin1armstrong

          Yes Clausen, or even better, Brady Quinn.
          Quinn is not getting a fair chance in Kansas City.
          Brady Quinn is a legitimate FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK!

      • jaws.

        Tebow yes, sanchez no. Makes tooo much money. I’m all for the Tebow + Chip Kelly plan. Run the option. Take pressure off your passing game. give the second most efficient passer in College football history a chance to settle into a playaction passing game.

        • Petefranklin

          Play action, that would be nice if we actually could fake it with the ball actually in TRiches gut instead of sticking the ball out somewhere on a seven or five step drop. I vividly remember how good P Manning was actually faking the run as a rookie, that can be taught.

          • jaws.

            and Tebow was good at it at florida! very crafty ball handler. Clever little ‘jump’ pass huge weapon around the goalline.

      • alexb

        please don’t talk about Tebow. I’m gonna admit that while I don’t like the guy he didn’t get a fair shake in NY. That being said he in no way fits our offensive plans if we’re gonna build a pass to run offense around Trent. Play action pass’s will be utterly crucial as will throwing the ball deep against alot of man coverage. Assuming of course we pick up another downhill tank to spell Trent throughout the season. If we don’t, Trent will run down by midseason and the qb will have to make all sort of “NFL style” throws to win games and we know that just doesn’t work here. I don’t see Tebow slinging too many balls right over the heads of LB’ers and infront of the coverage. Smith I do see him able to do that but not the deep ball. So we’ll pay a shitload of money for Smith and get yet some more mediocre qb play cause the coverage will learn to press the routes and Alex won’te be able to really make em pay for that.
        No one mentioned Flacco? Ray Ray and Ed Reed are done in Blt, that team will be in decline for sure. We’re building something….at least talk to him. Guy is an elite level passer….kind of looks like a doosh but so what?

    • Henry Brown

      You do realize that if Cleveland had drafted Alex Smith he would have been thrown in Lake Erie 6 years ago. Also Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl and Jeff Garcia was a pro bowler. How about cutting your dumb “I’m a better GM than Tom Heckert” BS, stop being a terrible fan and let the guy learn how to play the game, probably in another new system.

  • GrandRapidsRustlers

    Let me see if I can figure this out…bear in mind I am only 35 have only watched football for about 28 years and never played at a high level.

    Colt said that he threw the ball into the ground to give his receivers a rest. This might be the biggest load of crap I have ever heard an NFL QB say. Let me explain Colt and I will go slow in case your Dad is not reading this for you.

    We have this thing called the line of scrimmage. Let’s use #13 as an example. He’s the fast guy you can’t overthrow. If he runs a 20 yard slant and you bounce the ball in front of him HE has to run back to YOU for the next play. Now if you throw a ball that he dives and catches YOU have to run to HIM and he gets a break before the next play.

    I’m still bewildered by this. Hell if you wanted to give guys a break just take a knee and flip Shurmur the bird. I’d have bought your jersey this morning.

    Alex Smith and this is a playoff team next year. That’s not as much an endorsement of the Browns as it is the division sucks now and we seem to have the young talent that does not fly out of Kentucky for games.

    Happy Holidays to all…and seriously Colt you have to do better than that.

    • jaws.

      they were in the hurryup offense. If colt throws incomplete, the clock stops. This gives you the 40 second playclock to rest. If they complete a pass, the offense has to rush to the line of scrimmage and run another play immediately.

    • Petefranklin

      Im sure Colt’s agent, errr… Anne Dunn will explain why he had to do that.

    • actovegin1armstrong

      GRR, you are wise beyond your years.

  • Believelander

    I’d have to watch the interview the excerpt is from, but isn’t he talking about turfing those throws to let the o line catch its breath?

    • trashycamaro

      I have to agree which would also explain why no one else is talking about it. If he was referencing the receivers…you know what, fuck it. I’m not apologizing or making excuses for anyone involved with this team.

      Heckert has to go. I know we got some good talent this year, but there is one position in the NFL that counts more than any other. It’s really fun to watch:
      -the guy we wanted but couldn’t “make our best deal for” contend for rookie of the year;
      -his rookie backup that was picked in the 3rd round beat us badly in his first start;
      -another 3rd round QB who is vying for OPOY and QB’ing a top 5 team in football;
      -the steaming pile of crap we have.

      Weeden is bad. McCoy is bad. You know who is better than them and doesn’t require 1st round or 3rd round draft picks? Chad Henne. Matt Flynn. Tarvaris Jackson. Joe Webb. Matt Moore. Kyle Orton. Byron Leftwich.

      The good things about this year: knowing we were right to cut bait on Brady Quinn (couldn’t put together a win behind 300 yards rushing from his team); Crennel; not firing Pat midseason and seeing either Jauron or Childress step in interim style and take over RAC style; knowing it was fine to cut bait with Daboll

      • actovegin1armstrong

        Trashy 79′ Camaro in Chesterfield Brown,
        I am completely on board with your “pick up a re-tread” idea, but you missed the 2 best QB’s that will be available.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1kbBmlAvdI PML

    Boy that team from pittstain sure sucks, don’t they? This football season is great success as far as I’m concerned. Remember back in the day when I said maybe Shurmie was slowly learning this role? Yea, me neither.

  • Bob

    At this point, I’d much rather talk Tribe and their signing of Nick Swisher. Perhaps a glimmer of hope in one of our beloved teams. Everything with the Browns right now is just beating a dead, stinking, rotting corpse of a horse.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      The biggest free agent contract in franchise history to a guy on the downswing of his career who’s only made the All Star team once …

      • nj0

        TRIBE TIME NOW!

        • Petefranklin

          Slide Sandy Slide!!! At least MLB network doesnt run old game footage of Miami winning like Im sure there will be nonstop Elway on NFL tonight. DRINK!

      • actovegin1armstrong

        It is all about his value in Moneyball.
        If I recall correctly, he was the protagonist.

        • NeedsFoodBadly

          WE SIGNED SKINNY JONAH HILL???

          • actovegin1armstrong

            NFB,

            You know I love you, but please never criticize the great Boone’s Farm.

            Skinny Jonah Hill got me through the trials and travails of Edwards Middle School. .It was too sweet, but it also had 14.5% alcohol instead of the measly 11.5% of the rest of their junk.

            We should all salute Boone’s Farm!

  • rodofdisaster

    Five rookie QBs starting in the NFL and only Weeden lacks inspiration. While I could pile on my Texan, Colt McCoy too…at this point I don’t know why we don’t all just grab some popcorn and a beer and sit back and watch this thing implode. Seriously; I don’t see how this locker room doesn’t just start throwing each other under the bus.

    I thought the fourth quarter yesterday showed that they’ve quit. The joke is on them though because the next GM and coach are going to watch this film to evaluate who’s with them and who’s gone.

    BTW, Pat Shurmur…if you’re down a ton….in the fourth quarter…on the road….feel free to take Richardson out of the game. Just a thought.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-White/100000446546049 Steve White

      I was wondering why T-rich was still in there, especially when neither Weeds nor Colt were throwing to him. If you just need a blocking back to protect the QB in an obvious passing series then where is Marecic?

      Sorry, just joshing you there.

      And why is Jackson inactive? I thought he was brought here to help the running game. If Richardson is hurt and you’re 20 points down have Hardesty and Jackson run the ball occasionally. The other side sure won’t be expecting that.

      I still can’t tell if Weeds played poorly because he just lacks what it takes, or because the entire offendive coaching staff is the worst in the NFL. The Broncos were looking at him before (in fact while) they were signing Manning, and I figure Elway knows something about the position. So there’s a ringing endorsement.

      A week ago I wrote here expressing doubt that removing Shurmer would be the right thing to do given the coaching churn. I hereby apologize to Frownie — he’s right and I’m wrong.

      Just don’t hire Lombardi.

    • actovegin1armstrong

      Rod’o,
      Where you there when they imploded the never finished Intel building?
      (Right over by Katz’s.)
      The Browns season reminded me of that mess, the Browns implode, but still luck into 5 wins and mess up their spot in the Superbowl.
      (Well…. the annual Cleveland Browns “Superbowl in May”.)

  • George

    Pete, great take on 92.3 the fan today. Your words were my thoughts. Expectations for this team at the beginning of the year would have been much hirer than 4 wins without shurmur.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      I’m glad somebody heard that.

  • thebearchoo

    Time for a small LOLZ at everyone talking about playoffs two weeks ago.

    To be fair, I was beginning to convince myself that, sans Shurmurball and with a couple added pieces, next year would be our playoff run. Now, serious doubts. For starters, we’d need a Harbaugh/Mangenius type for that, and oh yea, that whole quarterback issue…but then again, who needs anything else when we could have the genius that is Mike Lombardi to guide us to greatness?

    This really sucks. We really suck.

  • rgrunds

    HA! “Season’s Beatings”. That’s all you needed to write. Great line. You didn’t need to add an article. I’m stealing it and there’s nothing you can do about it.

  • rgrunds

    HA! “Season’s Beatings”. That’s all you needed to write. Great line. You didn’t need to add an article. I’m stealing it and there’s nothing you can do about it.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      “Seasons Beatings” was a Beacon Journal headline from a few years ago when the Browns got crushed on Xmas Eve by the Steelers.

  • bossman09

    Let us all agree that if anyone coach is called a “quarterback guru” because they coached an allpro or hall of fame QB, we should run to the hills.
    I’m also interested to see where Frowns/Grossi will end up on the new head coach fence. It would be nice if both of them would wait 60 seconds before determining the future success.

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns
    • nj0

      LOL really appalled too

      • Kamov

        IMO, the appalling part is his desperate back-tracking.

        If you’re gonna go around tweeting photos of what a playa you are, then that’s who you are. Don’t try and lie about it later. Kyrie needs to man up and say, “I apologize for the photo, but I can’t change the fact that I love having hot women hanging all over me and flaunting that fact to the world.”

        • alexb

          There was nothing “appalling” about anything Kyrie did, except show he’s just like every other professional sports player. Are we really still not over this whole “these guys should be role models” notion? They’re not and never will be nor should they ever be. Dude throws a ball through a hoop, the only thing about him i would ever want my children to emulate is perhaps the level of physical fitness these athletes display. Otherwise I want none of it for myself and not for my children if I had them. That’s not a slam against them, they are who they are. Let’s get over it, and them….k? They play a sport, in the end most..not all….most do absolutely nothing as human beings. They run around our screens for an hour or so and then that’s that. The only reason people give a shit about what Kyrie or any of em do in their personal lives is because marketers shove them in our faces every day. I know i’m a marketer. None of these guys do “anything” if ain’t for money so there’s simply no reason to care what they do unless they do something serious and/or criminal which embarrasses the organization. Let’s curb the “appalling” talk shall we? cause at this point if your expectations haven’t been seriously lowered by these guys over the years you’re either 12 or haven’t had a tv or access to a newspaper your whole life. Kyrie’s practically a french schoolgirl compared to most of the tatted up inmates he plays with.

          • BIKI024

            role models can’t associate with girls? good grief, the dude is 20 years old, and unmarried. what are we back in the puritan days??

          • actovegin1armstrong

            We are well on our way back to puritan days.
            This country is changing its respective political climate from “ultra-conservative” to “wildly radical bat-shit-crazy conservative”.

          • alexb

            only a small portion of the country, and they will be left behind.

          • actovegin1armstrong

            Thank you alexb, I appreciate your optimism.

            However, I am more concerned that they will be the ONLY ones left behind because they will have used their vast stores of automatic weapons to kill the rest of us.

  • actovegin1armstrong

    And yet another excerpt from the “posting in the wrong place department”, I would like

    W Ken-get down-tucky -6.5

    and

    Cinn u -7

    • actovegin1armstrong

      Rutgers -2.5 please too as well.

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

    Will take Central Mich +6.5 over W. Kentucky for a lonely f/k/a Cheddar Bay point, please.

  • alexb

    josh johnson…future browns hall of fame qb?
    Well that was lolz

  • BIKI024

    CHEDDAR BAY:

    Central Michigan University+6.5

  • actovegin1armstrong

    Oregon St -2.5
    West Virginia -4

  • actovegin1armstrong

    ****Colts + 7 over the Texans**** The Season Ending Essay, bye bye playoffs.

    The Colts are getting better every week and Andrew Luck’s experience grows every day. The Texans started the year overrated and this trend has continued unabated. Arian Foster (The Worst Name in Football) is good, but he is banged up and while Matt Schab may have his moments and his stats are terrific he oftentimes has a tendency to Pastorini the ball down field when he is pressured. (Not to the extreme degree of “Down in to Double Coverage Dante”, but his more rare interceptions come at the most inopportune moments.)

    This point spread is way too high for an NFL game with two playoff caliber teams, especially with the youthful quarterback of the Colts improving while continuing to gain experience and the Texans just continuing.

    I choose to ignore the fact that the Texans beat them by 12 points two weeks ago, it was just an anomaly to make this game more interesting. It is far more important to Ponder the Texans’ embarrassing loss from last week.

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