Chip off the Block: A hell of a start for Haslam and Banner in Cleveland and a hell of a weekend for “league sources”

by Cleveland Frowns on January 7, 2013

One nice thing about how Randy Lerner never really cared much for being the owner of the Cleveland Browns was that Lerner never did anything like make a show of camping out in the desert for a week to make his “top choice” to fill a head coaching vacancy an “an offer he couldn’t refuse,” then letting it be reported by every major outlet under the sun that he had “a done deal” with this top choice, and that his lawyers were in the desert to finalize as soon as the top choice finished a polite lunch with a lesser suitor, only to have it come out a day later that it wasn’t a “done deal” at all but in fact a deal that was never going to happen, before finally leaking a pathetic statement that he didn’t want the guy after all “because [he wasn't] certain [the candidate's] heart was 100 percent into leaving” his job as a college coach.

Once again, no one could have ever made this up. So what percent into leaving Oregon was Chip Kelly’s heart? 99? Six? Or was it just that Kelly didn’t want to work for Jimmy Haslam and Joe Banner, nor Banner’s ex in Philly, Jeffrey Lurie?

Who knows, but Mary Kay Cabot, journalist, and her editors at the Plain Dealer, want to assure you that whatever the problem it was, it wasn’t with Haslam, Banner, or “the best opportunity in the league.” The problem, according to Cabot, is that Chip Kelly isn’t a committed enough NFL winner-type for the Browns job.

Really.

“The Browns walked away from Oregon coach Chip Kelly on Sunday afternoon because they weren’t certain his heart was 100 percent into leaving the Ducks,” Cabot reports, per “a league source.” And more importantly, “with Browns owner Jimmy Haslam and CEO Joe Banner committed to bringing a championship team to Cleveland, they weren’t about to settle for anything less than a 100 percent commitment, the source said.”

TtfO

Please let this sink in for a moment.

The top Browns beat writer at the only newspaper in town (god save it!) is quoting an anonymous “league source” to tell you the news that Jimmy Haslam and Joe Banner are so committed to bringing a championship to Cleveland, that they decided they didn’t want to hire their top choice after all, despite every single outlet under the sun reporting to the contrary, and also reporting that Haslam and Banner were just waiting for Kelly to finish lunch with the Eagles so the lawyers could tie up the details. It’s not at all that Kelly decided over the course of a seven-hour meeting with Haslam and Banner that, for any of a billion good reasons, they weren’t folks for whom he wanted to devote a significant portion of his career. It’s that Haslam and Banner are so committed to bringing a championship to Cleveland that they couldn’t suffer any waffling on behalf of this guy, this guy — formerly their top choice for whom they camped out in the desert for a week — who’s unquestionably one of the most successful innovators in the game, and one of maybe three football coaches in the world from whom Bill Belichick takes notes.

So as long as everyone’s clear that only a PR flack for the Browns would ever say anything like this, we can all move on understanding that the thunderingly reckless disregard for the intelligence of Browns fans and Plain Dealer readers here is unprecedented.

Which is the real story in all of this, along with the point of fact that Haslam and Banner come out of the whole thing looking like buffoons, and in their first remotely challenging move in running the Browns have succeeded in making Cleveland, again, a national punchline. Huzzah. Go Browns. Of course, if they bring this town a winner this will all be forgotten quickly.

LOL.

So did anyone listen to WKNR this weekend? Cleveland’s ESPN affiliate and radio home of the Browns’ own house-journalist Vic Carucci was all over it on Friday night when the news that Kelly was “a done deal” first broke, pulling their scheduled Cotton Bowl broadcast to cover the Kelly deal like it was the Kennedy assassination. Because once national outlets broke the Kelly news, that’s when we got to find out how much the folks at KNR knew about other details.

Like for starters, Mike Lombardi.

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We have appearances, and what they are is Lombardi having been in the lurk as future Browns GM since August, which is only five months after he was telling America that Brian Hoyer, since cut by the Patriots, was a “prime target” for QB-needy teams. Apparently, Lombardi will continue to lurk until the Browns finally do hire a head coach, at which point he’ll emerge after six years of not having worked in the NFL (but instead having done other things like issue nonsensical criticisms of no-brainer draft picks like Joe Haden and sending condescending half-witted emails to bloggers who are better at making football picks than he is).

And with the Kelly/Lombardi regime having been such an inevitability in Cleveland, how could Banner have resisted a wink and a nod to Colt McCoy about Colt’s bright future in Cleveland?

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Of course, the truer this last bit about McCoy, the greater reflection of some remarkable confidence on Banner’s part, which would make last weekend’s Kelly whiff all the more miserable. And either way at this point, if Lombardi doesn’t end up as part of the new Browns regime after all that KNR has reported on him, there has to be an FCC reg somewhere that would require the plug be pulled on the station for good.

Oh and there’s this.

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Because the real reason that Bernie Kosar hasn’t had his jock sniffed on the KNR airwaves for the last month isn’t because he’s a boiling cauldron of drunkenness or otherwise steaming mental illness, it’s because he’s been busy angling for a position with the new Browns regime. There’s not a more specific tweet for this, but it’s what KNR’s Aaron Goldhammer reported on the air on Saturday.

And maybe the two things aren’t mutually exclusive, because, of course, god bless Bernie if he’s in a 28-plus-day program somewhere nice, getting himself in good enough shape to at least be able to hold down a PR job for the new regime. Nobody doesn’t want to see that, and god knows the Browns could use some fresh flacks.

Of course it’s hard to put too much blame on folks whose paychecks go up and down with the town’s level of excitement for the Browns for being too excitable about these things themselves (note that Cabot’s “report” on Haslam and Banner’s “championship commitment” was posted right next to a big ad for Browns season tickets (see below)), but it does send another clear message about how horrifying it really was what Mitt Romney wanted to do to Big Bird. Some people are naturally in a better position to admit it than others: Football is stupid. And nowhere is it stupider than it is in Cleveland. Again.

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  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

    Bring back Mangini already for god’s sake. How unrelentingly stupid can people be?

    • alexb

      except he won’t come back….why would he? At this point, I think we should hand the reigns over to someone like BK. He’s an alcoholic…fits right in with cleveland. But mainly he seems to love Cleveland and the Browns organization and in the end that’s good enough for me anymore. But why we’re not talking to guys like Cowher and Gruden who have made public statements in the past about being amenable to coaching in Cleveland….is beyond me. I want coach’s and players now that want to be here in Cleveland. What’s the downside anymore? Sucking is sucking…if we had a team full of Josh Cribbs I would rather see them go 0-16 than a coach and players who could care less about Cleveland go 4-12 or 5-11. At the least the 0-16 guys would give us the perennial number one pick.

    • mojo

      meh, lets go right down the list of college football offensive wizards:
      Gus Malzahn
      Art Briles
      Kevin Sumlin
      Urban Meyer
      Dan Mullen

      Or take a defensive coach you like, like Mangini or Ray Horton or Mike Zimmer, and pair him with an offensive coordinator poached from one of those no-huddle spread-option trees. It isn’t like Chip Kelly is the only coach who plays an offense alien to the NFL (though he is the best).

    • bee cee

      i’d love to see mangini back as coach, but his track record in drafting in CLE wasn’t so great; a GM that can identify what constitutes a good fit for the offensive & 3-4 defensive schemes (not heckert) would be a necessity.

  • nj0

    As someone who wasn’t plugged into the sports grapevine most of this weekend, I’m glad the Browns found a way to make me look like a completely idiot to every NFL-following friend I ran into yesterday. “Oh yeah, we got Kelly.”

    As I’ve said before, there is no bottom. It can only continue to get worse.

    Mark 4:25

  • BIKI024

    how cool would it be too have a HC with corn rows! In Horton we Trust!

    • bupalos

      Bupettes would go nuts as “Horton Hears a Who” is currently #1 on their Doctor Seus playlist. Also could lead to promising “Horton Hears a _____” headlines for Frowns.

      • bee cee

        if dr, seuss had been from cleveland:

        horton hears a ho
        hop on mom
        one bitch two bitch dead bitch blue bitch
        cox in box

  • jaws

    Missing out on Kelly really sucks. It has got to gut Banner and Haslam. I’m sure they offered him anything and everything they could. If he would have gone to Philly I would have been furious at Banner/Haslam. Fact he went back to Oregon is telling: Kelly said no to everything they offered b/c he knows his team at Oregon is going to be excellent in 2013 and 2014 and he wants to try and win a NC before he moves to the NFL. Sucks for us, really puts Banner and Haslam in a bad spot. They very publicly missed on their #1 and now whoever they hire is basically plan F, no other way to spin it.

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      clearing aside the detritus of this weekend’s reportage.. there’s also this: Chip Kelly seems an egocentric douche-bag.

      • bupalos

        I dunno. He kind of looks like one, and a sweaty ned beaty kind of one at that. But my guess is this whole song and dance was just to squeeze more dough out of the Nike moneybag. Which is fine I guess.

        I think the NCAA should look into more than just recruiting with that program.

        • jaws

          I just think he doesn’t want to leave his gig at oregon until at least he wins a national title there. I mean he OWNS the pac-12 for the most part and has been running riot over college football with Jeremiah Masoli and Darron Thomas at QB. Now he has this Mariota, who is a totally different level of player. The team is going to be loaded in 2013 and 2014 on offense. Chip thinks he can win a NC in Mariota’s remaining years and THEN jump to the NFL. We’ll probably see him replace Belichick in NE the minute after he retires (which incidentally is going to be about 2 minutes after Brady retires)

          • nj0

            Then why waste hours and hours and hours of everyone’s time? Free meal? Piss off NFL execs?

          • jaws

            probably because he honestly didn’t know what he wanted to do, and wanted to give the NFL guys a chance to present their case. Now was a great time to jump @ the NFL for a couple reasons (good jobs open, league more accepting of offensive variety, most teams not prepared to deal with his offense) but the lure of winning a NC at oregon (plus phil knight) still appealed to him more; and he thinks the NFL will always be there for him.

          • BIKI024

            if anything people should be lauding him for his loyalty to the program, he wants to at least finish what he started and win a NC. of course selfishly it may have been great to have him as HC, but gotta respect his loyalty. hope he parlays the wooing to a nice new contract.

          • SeattleBrownsFan

            I think it was the unlimited breadsticks and bottomless soup and salad bowls at the Olive Garden. I mean, who could push away from that?

            I’m just impressed that CK could BS long enough with the Eagles and Browns so he could pocket his per diem and get some good eats unavailable in Eugene!

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-White/100000446546049 Steve White

            You don’t say ‘no’ right away when an NFL owner calls. You just don’t. You listen, enjoy the meal (skip the wine), politely mull it over, and walk away allowing the other 31 owners to think that while Haslam couldn’t close the deal, they could have.

            Kelly don’t know what the future holds for him and it’s not wise to close doors needlessly.

          • vespo09

            I would say that’s true…except it’s been 4 teams that couldn’t close, not 1.

        • BigDigg

          I think there’s something to be said about an overall preferable lifestyle for an elite college coach. I’m not surprised that some of these smart guys like Saban and Meyer have figured this out. They might give away some salary every year vs. a pro job, but on the plus side they’ve got much better job security and get to rule the town and school like a dictator. As an elite college coach, you can buy the biggest house in town and know every fall that you’re not a bad 4 game stretch away from having to list it and relocate your family (again). It’s cushy in the scheme of things.

          I’m not surprised that we’re seeing this more and more. Like mobsters flocking to vegas…

      • NeedsFoodBadly

        “Chip Kelly seems an egocentric douche-bag.” I feel like that’s the rule for most head coaches – pro or otherwise.

        • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

          i guess that could apply to harbaugh, parcells, jimmy johnson. john gruden of course. hell, to the outside world, it applied to woody.
          but walsh, belichick, lombardi, brown, noll, landry, wooden? meyer,,, imo he’s not; he’s just good. coughlin is control freak but not sure about ego/d-bag. control freak is the more common thread.

          beware the high-maintenance sports figure. alls i’m saying.

          • NeedsFoodBadly

            Point taken on the high-maintenance idea. But if you’ll allow me to split hairs here, of all the guys on the latter list, you really think Belichick isn’t an egocentric d-bag?

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            right. i thought twice on belichick. but watching him up here he’s obviously not self-promoting media-wise. and i truly dont see the things he does as egocentic. (flutie dropkick PAT? just having fun, not a self-promoting thing.) one-dimensional football slave? for sure. but it IS all about the football with him. he does try to be the smartest guy in the room at times (ochocinco signing anyone?) and in that sense an ego case could be built. but he’s low profile on the whole and the extent of his pridefulness seems to stop at the playing field. he clearly he no interest in becoming a celebrity beyond that.

          • NeedsFoodBadly

            Good points!

          • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

            “beware the high-maintenance sports figure. alls i’m saying.”

            Based on what? Who’s the historical “high-maintenance sports figure” that you’re comparing Kelly to here? I don’t think Andre Rison works.

  • bupalos

    >>>Who knows, but Mary Kay Cabot, journalist,>>>

    Bam.

    Knew I could count on you for the proper Frownsie treatment on this, that being having exactly the right perspective, then blowing it up to 19x magnification and pasting some Mangini blingee’s on it.

    I didn’t especially want Kelly. Then I kind of did– but mostly because he’s one of the few people in football that openly states that coaching is overrated. But of course that creates a virtuous reverse catch-22 as far as me now being disappointed. I see no harm here as far as on-field realities. There are plenty of smart people available. Kelly was one of them, so at least it seems to me they barked up the right tree, and presumably will eventually find a suitable blind squirrel that can find Cleveland it’s nut.

    But you’re right that the optics here are laughably and needlessly bad. And since optics are part of the relatively easy job Banner and the FrackAttack are supposed to perform, that part of the equation is a little unsettling. I’m also a little surprised that Haslam, who is to the Vols as Phil Knight is to the Ducks, didn’t understand that he likely couldn’t make an offer that Kelly couldn’t refuse.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      If you’re going to get caught in a catch-22, it might as well be the virtuous reverse kind is what I’ve always said.

      The last point on Phil Knight/Haslam is dead on.

  • http://twitter.com/RMS108 Mike Schreiner

    I’d rather have Brian Kelly than Chip Kelly. Any reason why his name isn’t in the mix?

    • NeedsFoodBadly

      He’s gone on record saying he won’t leave Notre Dame after this year.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      I can think of 42 reasons off the top of my head.

  • Paul

    Great rant on these clowns.

  • atdietz80

    What former Browns assistant should the team hire for the head coach position? Bruce Arians, Marc Trestman, Ken Whisenhunt, or maybe Bill Cowher. Arians wants the job, apparently, Whisenhunt would take it, and who knows about Trestman. I just worry that we’ll lead the league in “12 men on the field” penalties with Trestman.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      What CFL team is Trestman with? If it’s the Rough Riders I’m all for this move.

      • atdietz80

        Montreal Alouettes.

        • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

          Hmmm what is an Alouette? Montreal has a case for being the best city in North America though so that can’t be bad.

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris Mc

            It’s a bird. A lark, to be exact. Not very menacing.

          • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

            I don’t know. In my experience larks can be very dangerous.

          • bupalos

            Certainly the child that is awoken by the lark’s song in the little French rhyme finds it menacing enough to rip it to shreds, part by part. Spent several weeks at McGill. French Canadians are hard-core double plus.

            Also, Halifax is an even less thought of and more awesome North American city.

          • nj0
      • CleveLandThatILove

        Where’s that Canadian reader that came down for a Browns game when we need him?

        • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

          @colesnotes. Put out an APB.

      • Petefranklin

        Alouettes, decent spread team!

  • http://twitter.com/clevezirm Jordan Zirm

    The sports journalism in this town is certainly embarrassing. To read countless stories without a single bit of original reporting in it this past week is just mind-blowing, and how it’s acceptable not to have a quote from any “source” of Grossi or Cabbot’s own in their story just makes no sense to me. Especially for Grossi, who has covered the Browns for 300 years. You don’t have one guy?

    But I don’t think it’s fair to paint Haslam and Banner as two guys who thought they had Kelly in the fold and are now trying to cover their asses. Are we trusting all these NFL reporters that said the Browns and Kelly were a done deal? Because it sure doesn’t sound like that was ever the case. The only thing I feel like we truly know is how long Kelly spent with both the Browns and the Eagles (a combined 16 hours, which seems ridiculous) only to mosey on back to Oregon. If anything, i feel like Kelly comes out of this looking worse than the Browns, or Philly for that matter. He did this same exact thing last year. He gets heavy into negotiations and then apparently gets severly cold feet.

    I’m not saying Haslam and Banner don’t come out of this looking good, because they don’t. But I don’t think it’s fair to make it seem like they thought they had Kelly in the bag and are now making up some BS story about how he didn’t seem committed so they walked away. That story doesn’t seem far-fetched at all.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      Kelly did the same thing last year and came out of it looking so bad that teams were falling all over him even harder the next time around.

      Do you really think Haslam and Banner walked away before Kelly did? If they didn’t think they had Kelly in the bag, they never would have let those reports stand without correction. Either that or it’s ridiculous that they did. Anyway, we are mostly in agreement here.

      • http://twitter.com/clevezirm Jordan Zirm

        I think Kelly got a pass last year because it was his first foray into the NFL, and when he decided on Oregon instead of Tampa Bay everyone was like “Aw, well he just wasn’t ready to leave college yet. He needs another successful year.” Although I had no idea how deep into negotiations he was with the Bucs until stories started coming out this past week. If I had, maybe I would have been more skeptical of the “the deal is almost done” reports this time around. Doing this two years in a row though I would think would make NFL teams more wary of Chip if he does this again. But maybe not. He’s always going to be a hot name, since he does seem like a pretty brilliant dude.

        I’m really not a huge fan of the silence the Browns organization is throwing at us when it comes to their coaching search. I’m not saying they have to confirm every interview they have with the public like the Eagles do, but without anyone in the Cleveland sports media having any scoop whatsoever, it sure feels like the fans are left in the dark, and that’s creating a pretty negative perception about what’s going on. They’d be smart to change that, and like you said, it won’t matter if they hire a guy who turns this thing around, but the “smart” and “Browns” haven’t gone together in a long time.

        • vespo09

          I think I’m okay with the team’s silence. You pointed out the real problem yourself – the Cleveland sports media has no scoop. The fans being in the dark falls on the reporters, not the organization. I have no problem with the team being tight-lipped until they get this done in order to maximize leverage with potential candidates.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-White/100000446546049 Steve White

      Trusting sports media sources is a bit like trusting sports agents.

      The original reporting on this whole story was indeed rather thin. I guess it was too much for the PD to send Mary Kay to Arizona so as to wire the hotel where Haslam, Banner and Kelly were meeting.

      I don’t think Kelly ends up looking bad. He can just say that it wasn’t the right situation and leave it at that, and in a month no one cares. If Oregon has another banner year he’ll be in just as much demand.

      Haslam and Banner should not have come off looking bad but they did, and it’s due to their own inept message management. A few simple words to Mary Kay would have doubled Mary Kay’s original reportage and allowed them to set the record to their liking, even if it was as simple as “we don’t have a deal until we have a deal, and we aren’t talking about any deals until we have a deal. Thanks Mary Kay, good talking with you.”

      • NeedsFoodBadly

        It seems like the guys running sports franchises these days believe they’re planning the invasion of Normandy rather than providing a forum for men in tights to prance about brightly colored playing fields. Like you say, a few words can clear the air right quick, without the loss of any precious “leverage” on the part of the negotiators. Why this isn’t apparent (and why people are so quick to defend an abject lack of public relations savvy) is mind-boggling.

      • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

        Exactly. These guys have the easiest jobs in the world.

  • vespo09

    As shoddy as the “journalism” has been, I have a hard time faulting Haslam and Banner for this. They knew who their number 1 target was, and went after him, HARD. They weren’t worried about PR fluff, they weren’t worried about leaking things, they were worried about being the first team in line to interview Kelly.

    Whatever the reason(s) behind Kelly balking repeatedly at making the jump to the NFL (he’s now turned down 1/8th of the teams in the league), you can’t say that Haslam and Banner didn’t put the Browns in the best position possible to try and hire the presumed top head coach candidate available right now.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      I hear that and fine. Then just say that’s what you did instead of this bullshit about commitment percentages.

      • vespo09

        I agree that some honesty would be refreshing – something like “Kelly wasn’t sold on our QB situation” or “he wanted total roster control, which didn’t fit with Banner’s role”. But I don’t know that I really expect to get it. That kind of information rarely comes out from any team, it’s left to the reporters to glean it from non-PR sources – which clearly isn’t happening.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-White/100000446546049 Steve White

          It’s not like Mary Kay is going to glean it.

          • vespo09

            Exactly.

      • mojo

        well dont hate on the 100% committed remark so much.. I’ll agree that it is essentially spin, but it is also true. Haslam and Banner obviously thought that the Browns is a great situation for Kelly to jump: and they are right. They offered him whatever level of control he wanted and a chance to be in on the hiring process of their personnel guy. The team is extremely young, with no overpriced veterans and no salary cap troubles. On top of that: the NFL is primed and ready for his style of offense to come in and run riot on a bunch of incompetent defensive coaches who’ll have no answers. If he could turn down this job and the philly job (another pretty good fit) in order to go back to oregon then he obviously isn’t 100% committed to making the jump just yet.

        • vespo09

          I hadn’t heard that they offered him whatever level of control he wanted…where are you getting that from? My understanding was that Banner will final say on the roster.

          • SeattleBrownsFan

            the spin I’m reading from those on the interwebs that are “in the know” is that he wasn’t offered as much control over the roster as he wanted by either the Browns or Eagles. However, based upon all the other “facts” that came out over the past couple of days, I don’t what to believe about the real story.

    • trashycamaro

      Part of me kind of wonders if he wasn’t a little scared off by the Boston-style press dominance (think Red Sox manager smear campaigns). It would be so easy to see this stuff leaked out everywhere and assume you could not be able to get your own side of the story out. A real coach knows how important the media is in today’s day and age and it makes sense that someone in Kelly’s position doesn’t feel the need to jump from a great job to one where he could have less than 100% support.

      I like to imagine that the front office press staff has a roulette wheel to decide who gets stuck deep throating awful quotes to MKC. Or do you think Banner’s personal assistant has his phone auto correct “ydhitfm” in to “you didn’t hear it from me” so he doesn’t have to spell out all the letters every time? I’m undecided.

      • vespo09

        Scared off by Cleveland’s media? Please tell me you’re joking…

        • bupalos

          Well this is where this whole line about the vast importance of the media and people like Tony Grossi leads.

  • BIKI024

    i know it’s only Peter King, but props to him for naming TJ Ward to all-pro team. sure his coverage skills are still a work in progress, and the nfl is in a little down stage for megastud Safeties like vintage Ed Reed, etc, but good for TJ

    • vespo09

      Offset by his pick of Duane Brown over Joe Thomas.

    • Jew Jitsu

      TJ Ward is a horrible safety, I wouldn’t even rate him average, he always misses plays (from what we can see).

      • humboldt

        Well, he’s certainly average, but I wouldn’t venture as to say he’s anywhere near all-pro status like King.

    • NeedsFoodBadly

      Don Banks picked Ward too. Weird. I knew he was a favorite of some Cleveland fans, but wasn’t really aware if/how that popularity translated to the national level.

  • Bryan

    “every single outlet under the sun… reporting that Haslam and Banner were just waiting for Kelly to finish lunch with the Eagles so the lawyers could tie up the details to the contrary…”

    The amazing part of this whole saga for me was that NOT A SINGLE media outlet ever reported that the Browns and Kelly were actually a DONE deal. A lot of people said it was “close,” but when you dig under the surface of their claims you see that it was based on ONE dude at NFL.com (Rapoport). The Grossi’s and MKC’s of the world then ran with this and wrote stories on it. I fail to see how you can attach that to the Browns. (For example, all of MKC’s claims about a deal being “close” in the story you linked to are sourced to NFL.com. MKC had no information of her own about a deal being close. Her only information was that “something could happen,” which is essentially no information. Something can always happen)

    Its clear Banner and Haslam were really into Kelly, but I think the idea that they were overconfident, and shined a spotlight on their trip to Arizona, is a reach (i.e. it’s possible, but the evidence to support it is weak). They kept quiet while the process played out, and then tried to control the message Sunday. While I agree the message control on Sunday was laughable, I don’t see the point in blaming Haslam for this. What else is he supposed to say at that point? And even if you think he should have done something else, have we really reached the stage where we are ripping owners for their PR decisions before they have even made a single personnel move? From what I have seen, there really is no hard information available to determine whether we actually had a chance with Kelly and somehow failed, or whether Kelly was a long-shot to begin with.

    Whatever anyone’s take on the media circus is, two things now seem clear a) Kelly is out and b) there are still plenty of candidate out there. Let’s hope we can reel in Whisenhunt.

  • BIKI024

    Frownie, was Chip your first choice??? I’m glad he decided to stay, instead of jilting us for another NFL team, that would’ve been much more Cleveland than it gets. Bring on Whiz!! and Trestman as OC, he’s a big Weeden fan, maybe will be able to get the most out of him (or Colt, etc). Norv would be a great OC as well but he might be goin to NYJ

    • bupalos

      Good lord Biki. You just asked Frownie who his first choice for coach is. The lettuce is taking it’s effect.

      • BIKI024

        true dat, been lettucing it up the last few days at casino and Ritz, courtesy of #cavsdan. but other than Mangini I don’t believe he had Chip as his 2nd preference, I think we finally got a legit coach with the right pedigree to coach us to contention. can’t wait for his presser.

        • NeedsFoodBadly

          I believe Frowns has stated repeatedly that his preference is 1. Mangini, 2. Saban, 3. anybody else – in that order.

          It is very cool that Dan Gilbert is your hook-up for the lettuce!

  • BIKI024

    wow, RG3 has torn ACL and PCL, bye bye 2013 season. this is so Dan Snyder. godspeed Bob

    • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris Mc

      Good thing Heckert was fired for not “doing whatever it takes” to draft him.

      • BIKI024

        so glad we didn’t make that trade. i wonder what odds are to fully recover from 2 ACL’s on same knee. rough road ahead. Good work Jeff Fisher and the Rams, what a steal.

        • humboldt

          Yeah, the immobile 29-year old quarterback Heckert drafted with ample wear-and-tear on his shoulder was a way safer pick…

          • BIKI024

            did we trade Weeden for RG3 straight up??? derp

            trich, schwartz, gordon, and #6 pick, with jury still out Weeds. RG3 might never get back his explosiveness, we’ll see.

          • humboldt

            “did we trade Weeden for RG3 straight up?”

            No, and I’m not sure how you deduced that from my comment. Derp. However, it is the case that Heckert made the conscious organizational decision to pass on RGIII and thereby sunk the retained 1st round pick in Weeden, who has his own joint wear-and-tear issues and is nowhere near the realm of talent/upside as RGIII.

          • BIKI024

            RG3 is who we thought he is, an uber-talented player whose playing style is more prone to injury and sure enough he ripped up his knee again. now the Skins are most likely F’ed for next year. and who knows how his recovery goes.

          • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris Mc

            F’d for the year? They traded 5 (right?) draft picks for him. They’ll be F’d for the better part of a decade if he doesn’t get back to anywhere near where he was.

          • BigDigg

            I think it’s premature to say their F’d up next year as I’m sure he’ll play part or most of next season. 9mo. is a good amount of recovery time for that sort of injury for you or I, let alone an athlete like him with the training and recovery oversight he’ll get.

            I think the bigger question (and related to your point) – when he does come back will restrict his game? And what kind of QB will he be if he loses a big piece of what makes him RGIII?

    • SeattleBrownsFan
    • Bryan

      Source?

      • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris Mc

        I’m not an orthopedic doctor, but this seems fairly self evident.

        http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/1/6/3844114/rg3-injury-griffin-suffers-gruesome-knee-injury

        • SeattleBrownsFan

          ugh…almost as gruesome as Theismann’s broken leg.

          • rodofdisaster

            Yes, but this happened without the weight load or force of another player. The lateral collateral ligament was twanging away like a rubber band for three quarters. My brother and i both commented on how he was going to rip two ligaments (the injured one and another) if Shanahan didn’t take him out.

            Shanahan can say anything he wants. The Redskins ignored the knee because he was their best chance to win.

    • SeattleBrownsFan
    • actovegin1armstrong

      The PCL is no big deal, I think it must be his LCL Lateral Cruciate Ligament. His original injury was to his LCL.
      The ACL and PCL can not heal once torn through, but the MCL and LCL can heal themselves after being torn.

  • jamick6000

    “Which is the real story in all of this, along with the point of fact
    that Haslam and Banner come out of the whole thing looking like
    buffoons, and in their first remotely challenging move in running the
    Browns have succeeded in making Cleveland, again, a national punchline.”

    This is what we get for living in a world where a billionaire idiot man-child can sell our favorite football team to Tennessee’s nepotist prince of gas stations.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      I mean, if one wanted to beat someone over the head with the truth that’s what he might say.

      You may claim your cups of whiskey at the Map Room under the name Arthur (“Art”) Brosef. Ping me if there are any issues with the transaction

  • GrandRapidsRustlers

    I love this national narrative (ESPN) that somehow the Browns are the joke here. They clearly wanted Kelly as did the Eagles and Bills. No one landed Kelly. Hell the Bills figured this out sooner than anyone and actually hired a good coach.

    I’m all out of Mary Kay jokes after Saturday night. I just don’t get it. Someone lost a bet.

    I just can’t crucify the new regime until they actually hire a coach because I find it hard to believe they could actually do any worse than Shurmur.

    This is where I realize that Jay Gruden is still out there and starts drinking.

    Go Irish!

    • atdietz80

      I concur about not crucifying the regime. The approach has been to aim high and it appears they have. Ian Rapoport had a good piece about a smooth hiring process versus a long, drawn-out process. Nothing matters unless the guy who is hired is a good coach.

      http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000123520/article/chip-kelly-chase-illustrates-tricky-nature-of-finding-an-nfl-coach

      If the Browns new mode is radio silence, then I guess we should ‘believe none of what we hear and half of what we see’ (Ben Franklin). So they swung and missed. So tons of erroneous info got tossed around. Should they pay a guy to monitor twitter chatter and fan the flames? Maybe they could go old school and follow papal law with black smoke for no coach and white smoke for coach. I don’t really care. Just hire a highly qualified coach and go from there.

  • NeedsFoodBadly

    F all this NFL stuffy, why isn’t anyone talking about the BIG story in Cleveland sports today? OMRI CASSPI WANTS A TRADE!

    who should we trade for Omri??

    • humboldt

      Jiri Welsh?

    • BigDigg

      I thought you were joking at first. Talk about delusions of grandeur. Can’t crack the rotation on the second worst team in the league? Should be a huge market there bud.

      Wonder if we can trade back for JJ? New coach doesn’t seem to mind lackluster effort on D.

    • Cranky M

      The sad thing is, i see where he’s coming from. Once he finally got some run this season, he was on fire. He got sick and had to miss a few games, and Scott hasn’t played him since. That was weeks ago. No reason whatsoever for him to be stuck to the bench, considering how terrible the Cavs bench is. He’s (sadly) one of their best outside shooters.
      Also, he’s one of 3 Cavs on the All-Star ballot. So that’s nice.

  • Bryan

    This Deadspin post below about the latest Twitter-generated false news story (i.e. the one about RGIII’s knee (or, as I call it, “RGKnee”)) reveals how ridiculous today’s media environment is. My take is that the whole Chip Kelly fiasco was essentially the same thing. One report was leaked, everyone re-tweeted and past it on to each other, until a newspaper eventually wrote a story about it as if it was truth. How are the Browns or any organization supposed to manage this type of viral rumor generation?

    http://deadspin.com/5973905/fred-smoot-is-the-one-spreading-all-those-rumors-about-robert-griffin-iiis-shredded-knee

    • SeattleBrownsFan

      FWIW, that’s my take on it too, All of these stories go back to one or two guys tweeting a story, if a message of 140 characters or less can be called a story.

      If I were Haslam, I’d want to try to control the story and not let rumors go flying around like this since it doesn’t make the organization look very competent. Not commenting on any of this is a big part of the reason that Cleveland’s media (and the national media) get whipped into a frenzy.

      And I don’t believe that the “cone of silence” around the process really gives the Browns a competitive advantage (unless they are secretly negotiating with Cowher or Saban and they have somehow kept it under the radar) since it appears that “league sources” know who the teams are speaking with and share this information and I’m sure the agents are talking with each other as well.

      The Browns would do themselves and the fans a favor if they’d provide at least a little transparency around the process.

      • Bryan

        I agree with this in principle. But this all transpired in like 24 hours. For all we know, the Browns thought Kelly was going to meet them for dinner on Saturday night and thought they would have a chance to make a final push with him. If that was true, when were the Browns supposed to leak a story to the media, and what would that story have said?

        The Browns interviewed Kelly for 7 hours on Friday night, and by Sunday afternoon they had released (via MKC) a public statement. We can agree (as Frowns has articulated well) that that statement was a bit silly, but they did release it. What more could they have done? Given the timeline everyone is assuming to be true, the Browns had no new information to share until Sunday. At that point they said something.

        • SeattleBrownsFan

          you’re right, it did happen fast and with the news cycle being what it is today, their PR group needs to move faster. that is, if it matters to them.

          It’s kind of funny that up to this point, the new ownership seemed very decisive and has moved quickly to make changes. Makes me think that they were stunned when CK didn’t show up for dinner.

      • NeedsFoodBadly

        You’re dead on. For better or worse (both, really), the news cycle has rapidly shrunk in time. The media is going through some growing pains in how they are handling this shift, and it results in sloppiness. But the audience is complicit in it as well – if nobody listened to all the noise, it would eventually peter out. It’s a feedback loop.

    • maxfnmloans

      The internet (and more so Twitter) have turned the media into a joke. It’s not about being right anymore, it’s about being first. And if something reported is ultimately wrong, there is always some built in plausible deniability when using nebulous Cloak and Dagger terms like “sources”, “reports” , and the ever popular “person with knowledge of the situation”

      There is little accountability at this point. The only thing that matters is being first. Rick Reilly taught me that.

      Until the ink is dry on someone’s contract and he is bringing a box of personal items into 76 Lou Groza Blvd., this is all very fun, but ultimately pointless.

      • BigDigg

        I think you’re giving the media too much credit. It’s not even about being first, it’s all about generating clicks and page views. There’s no real credibility loss for being wrong and no scoreboard on who gets stuff first the most. Basically – nothing to dissuade these guys from just throwing shit at the wall or mindlessly repeating rumors like middle-school girls.

        And you know what – I’ve come full circle on this. I still can’t stand certain outlets that are far more interested in controlling/influencing the story and narrative, but it beats the hell out of having nothing to talk about or waiting for tomorrow’s PD to get updates. Sure i’d prefer it to be accurate but let’s not pretend this is life and death stuff.

        • BIKI024

          exactamundo!

  • zarathustra

    I have to change my official cheesey eggies pick to Bama -9.5 based on the Biki formula. Bama is hardly invincible but the Irish pick is way too popular at this point.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      Like for cheesy eggies picks swinging on the Biki formula.

    • bupalos

      I only took the Irish because I thought p could control the weather.

      • p_forever

        i super CAN control the weather. witness today – pretty good, right? :)

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1kbBmlAvdI PML

    If this game isn’t examples 1a,1b and1c of why the NCAA desperately needed a playoff, I don’t know what is. Embarrassing.

  • rodofdisaster

    Sorry to cut and paste but I’m too tired and feverish to retype this reply that I wrote on another of my favorite haunts:

    I, for one, am not terribly disappointed in losing out on Chip Kelly. It would have been fine to have him but I think the hype is dangerous.

    There’s a natural instinct to panic when you miss on option “A” in selection of coaches, GMs or free agents. Don’t go there. Let’s not sugarcoat it….Kelly said “No” so it feels like the collective “we” have been jilted. As an organization, as a city and as fans, everyone just has to keep a stiff upper lip and do their due diligence and move on. Everyone wants to make an even bigger splash now perhaps as if to say “We’ll show YOU!“.

    Don’t get wrapped up in that.

    Let the football people make the next best decision. As a fan the one thing I’m worried about is the media.

    They are so eager to break and be the first that they’ll post tweets from fake accounts attributed to network analysts. The fans feed into the hysteria. I can’t say I blame them. You really want to know who the next guy is and if you don’t have to look up the eventual coach’s resume you’re happy as can be. You’re eager and you’re anxious to know the identity…the face…that will be accountable for every play you see on Sunday.

    If Cleveland learns anything from the past though, I would offer it should learn this: Do not let the media tell you whether the coach is a good hire. Mangini’s fate with the media and fans here was predetermined by their reaction to the hiring process and the stories the NY media wanted to sell you. I’m not saying it was a good way to go about hiring a coach but letting the process jade your perception before a single practice has been run or game has been played made it an impossible situation from the get-go. If the new coach shows up to the first press conference and the Tony Grossis of the world are already torpedoing him then there isn’t a good beginning there. I can’t imagine Mangini (for instance) didn’t want a fresh start in Cleveland, learning from his mistakes with the media. He didn’t get that; and neither did we.

    This has to stop.

    The new owner has a new man in charge. He’s hiring with a vision and a process. That should be good enough for now.

    Just my opinion. I know some will disagree.

    • Bryan

      Amen Rod.

  • Bryan

    #FreeSaban #BrownsNextCoach

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      can we start a groundswell for the guy who beat saban?
      the guy who was 13-1 with case keenum?
      a guy who’s 13 years younger than saban?

      i move to make it rain for kevin sumlin.

      • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

        I’d be thrilled with either one of them.

      • bupalos

        ooo. I like that.

  • alexb

    1) can Brent Musberger toss my salad? Did we really have to listen to him bring up Cleveland as a destination for Saban in mockery, twice? fuck that guy in the mouth

    2) if this is true….http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/msn/report_browns_not_interested_in_jon_gruden/12601099
    Then I’m done with the new regime before they started. The guy has a SB ring and has expressed interest in the past in coming to Cleveland when there was no logical reason to express that opinion based on observable facts such as organizational and roster talent. He basically just wouldn’t mind, at least in the past, coming to coach in Cleveland, OH. He should’ve been the first guy we talked to if he was putting his name out there for the job vacancies. If these guys running the team now just x’ed him off the list….”just because”….well I don’t know what to say anymore. There’d better be a pretty damn good compelling reason to not talk to a former SB winning coach who did so with a shiite quarterback.

    • nj0

      #2 – I get the sense that guys like Cowher and Gruden have back channel ways to let teams know their interest in returning to the game. I mean, I haven’t heard any legitimate rumors about any team tapping them as interviews (though I may have missed it). The fact that none of these teams pursued either guy tells me that they’ve made it known that they just aren’t all that interested in leaving the booth. I have a feeling if either does come back to the NFL, it’ll be at a job they obviously want that will just have a show candidate search before crowning them king.

      • alexb

        This is probably true, it just irks me that they would potentially put it out there in pre-emption that they would have zero interest in Gruden. “If” that’s true, I really don’t know what to say. We have a front office that would arbitrarily shut out a SB winning coach? I would need a succinct explanation for that motive for me to be not depressed and pessimistic about our upcoming years under Haslem. Maybe Hassie found out Gruden was a democrat…i mean who knows, when you’re a billionaire you might actually have an ego that large that would preclude you from properly evaluating talent based on political ideology.

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

    So first sources tell MKC that the Browns “might” pursue Gruden. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/01/cleveland_browns_might_pursue.html#incart_river

    (“That would make folks get over Kelly pretty quickly, no?” OH MY GOD.)

    Then, like three hours later she reports that “sources close to the team’s coaching search were quick to shoot that
    down. No sources close to the search have scoffed at speculation that
    the Browns will go after Saban.”

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/01/cleveland_browns_to_interview_3.html#incart_flyout_sports

    Sources be scoffin.

    • nj0

      “No sources close to the search have scoffed at speculation that
      the Browns will go after Saban.”

      Which is another way to say, no sources have verified that they will go after Saban but since they didn’t say it’s an impossibility I’m going to fling that at the wall too in hopes it’s not utterly untrue like all my other reporting.

      • alexb

        Brent Musberger shot down that idea on national tv. It can’t happen now

        • bupalos

          Doesn’t have the same force as scoffing. As long as no one’s scoffing, I’m considering this as one of the things that could maybe definitely happen within the next number of hours.

    • Wiseoldredbeard

      There was an article posted on nbcsports that completely shot down MKK’s “source” like ten minutes after she posted it. At this point, all of her “might” reports are clearly not even worth reading. I think it’s got to be a little embarrasing that she cannot break a single story on the HC front… http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/07/source-jon-gruden-isnt-on-clevelands-radar-screen/

      • nj0

        Watching MKC “report” brings out the same feelings in me as being a passenger in the car while my mom “drives”. I’d name it “pity-twinged compassion mixed with slight dread”.

        • bupalos

          tut tut, no scoffing!

    • Bryan

      Frowns I believe you hate the Gruden as a coach. Is that right? If so does it give you confidence in Haslam/Banner that they don’t want anything to do with him even though it would clearly lead to a lot of good PR for them? To me it does. Shows they are thinking for themselves.

      MKC is just a disaster. She almost always has ZERO new information. She either re-packages stories that other people published or she just makes stuff up that is immediately contradicted.

      • rodofdisaster

        It seems to me that the “Decision 2013 in Berea” just became a landmark event in MKC’s career. While I simply have no comment, a lot of other people do and she’s had to admit embarassment.

        I don’t know how Frownie feels about Gruden per se but I will tell you that I am somewhat tired of hearing his name mentioned for coaching gigs. He’s not a bad offensive coach but I personally see him as well overhyped. He took a Raiders team out of mediocrity with veterans like Tim Brown, Jerry Rice and Rich Gannon. He never won a championship with them. He won the next year with Tony Dungy’s team. Fair enough.

        What QB has Jon Gruden ever developed? He bears that “QB Guru” moniker just like Holmgren did. Who exactly did he develop? He changed QBs like I change underwear. He’s a caricature wrapped around a good OC and nothing more.

    • SteamingPileOfCraphonsoThorpe

      Isn’t there a high-school PSA about that? “Scoffin: A Deadly Epidemic”. Many teenagers think they’re indestructible, scoffin only hurts other people, they’ll be able to stop scoffin any time! It’s just something they do at parties, scoffin’s all in fun.

      Just Say No to Scoffin.

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

    Also, everything in this Pluto column screams HIRE MANGINI ALREADY. http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2013/01/cleveland_browns_better_off_wi.html#incart_river

    • bupalos

      I’m was going to work on an official list of things that DON’T scream HIRE MANGINI ALREADY in that Frown noggin of yours. But since I’ve only got 6 minutes before a meeting here, I’m afraid I wouldn’t have time to get this cocktail napkin notarized and laminated.

    • maxfnmloans

      sign me up. America re-elected Grover Cleveland after voting him out of office. We can’t get this done?

      • alexb

        do you honestly think he would even remotely entertain the idea of coming back to Cleveland? Look I’d be ecstatic if he would…I think he was cut off in the midst of something really good. But it’s over, he got his balls cut off here in Cleveland…..does anyone think he wants to chance it? Remember, a decent majority of Browns fans (the morons) weren’t upset with him getting fired. There was no city wide rage. Only the people who know football were mystified by the firing. Everyone else was like 5-11? yeah get him out. It is what it is. Maybe if there had been a serious fan base revolt against Holmgren Mangini would consider it, but most of Cleveland talk radio (ie the morons) were glad to get rid of Mangini.

        • bupalos

          I agree mangini isn’t coming back, but you vision of how this whole thing works is insane.

  • dinger

    There is no way to wipe all the smegma from the collective faces of the Browns front office and PD (Pretty Deplorable) Sports desk with regard to recent events involving the Browns coaching/GM search to date. There is so much to criticize about the new regime’s Renascimento at this juncture. So they still want to put the horse before the cart with the coach-then-GM strategy? How’s that playing out now. And the notion that a successful college coach doesn’t tell a billionaire NFL owner what to do. This theatre production is disturbing if nothing else.

    • actovegin1armstrong

      “So they still want to put the horse before the cart with the coach-then-GM strategy?”
      Well…. Where else would you put the horse?

  • p_forever

    cripes. cripes cripes cripes. and criped. the only criping worse than the browns was the one nd suffered at the hands of alabama. but at least that one (the nd one) was a more honest, we just got the shit kicked out of us criping (versus a sort of willingness and even eagerness to let yourself be criped, which is sort of what the brownie local media and apparently even the management seem to do).

    • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris Mc

      The worst part about all of this is that it now seems apparent that God is an Alabama fan.

      • p_forever

        Noooooooo. No no no. It just means god super loves frowns and knew he super needed a bama cover.

        • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris Mc

          If Frowns had that much pull with the big man, he would have just had Mangini rehired already. Also, most of us would never have any recollection of Chief Wahoo. And the Browns would have won a Super B…

          Aw hell, even God isn’t that powerful.

  • smittypop2

    A)Fuck Alabama

    B)Fuck Nick Saban

    C)Fuck the SEC

    D)Fuck Mangini and his career 33-47 record in 5 SEASONS (small sample size)!!!!
    E)Fuck the Lakers

    • http://twitter.com/cpmack Chris Mc

      U MAD BRO?

    • p_forever

      lol. smitty. hi.

  • alexb

    So now that we’ve established MKK is a hack with zero journalistic credibility anymore…..the only thing left to do is play “would you smash”.
    proceed…….

  • alexb

    And Teo sucks, forget I mentioned anything about potentially drafting him. I see now why they’re projecting him to go late. He’s a project at best. He played slow like molasses, didn’t look all that strong, was constantly out of position….and couldn’t make the tackle when he was in perfect position. He was awesome though when someone held up the runner first….great gang tackler.

    • bupalos

      I more or less agree. Two enthusiasm withdrawn.

    • Cranky M

      HA! Told you so. I’ve been saying all season long that the Teo hype is completely and utterly absurd. I WIN!

  • actovegin1armstrong

    Does anyone remember some dum guy posting here that giving away the draft for the next four years to get RG3 would be a crazy thing to do because he is injury prone and he runs right into defenders?

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      I will never for the life of me forget how dum that guy is.

      • actovegin1armstrong

        Some say he is stupit too.

    • bupalos

      Same idiot that thought Russell Wilson would be a better pick than weeden and morris a better pick than Richardson.

      #see#seeyouaholes#seehowthisshitisdone#itoldyouso#suckit#icandothiswithmyeyesclosed

      • alexb

        Ben Gay could run in that offense with RG3, Morris is a solid downhill bruiser but he’s nothing special. He wouldn’t have gotten 500 yds if he was running for the Browns this year.

  • Samwise

    Looks like Jerry Jones released Rob Ryan. Time to re-unite him in Cleveland with Mangini? #masterplan

    • alexb

      Now he would likely come back, but keep dreaming on Mangini. Would be nice though have to admit. I loved RR here, I think given 3 to 4 years him and Mangini would have built a top 5 defense.

      • BIKI024

        in 5 years as HC and one as DC, Mangini’s highest defensive ranking was 16.

        • alexb

          I know but I think given a couple years with Ryan he could have built a top 5. Ryan and Garret weren’t a good match in Dallas.

          • BIKI024

            yeah but why??? they’ve never been in top 15 let along top 5?? but sure, sun shine’s on a dog’s ass sometimes

          • alexb

            because I think they were a good match together, and given the necessary time they would have put together a defensive roster that was loaded with talent AND (most importantly) would have wanted to go to war for them.

          • BIKI024

            there are 31 other combos who are trying to do the same thing. they aren’t as great of coaches as some people would lead you to believe. otherwise they wouldn’t have been fired as many times as they have, particularly Rob Ryan.

  • alexb

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/bill-cowher-thinks-he-will-return-to-nfl-someday-010813
    So Cowher is officially putting his name out there. If Haslem can’t nail down the former coach of the team he used to be part owner in, well……well.

  • Cranky M

    So, i would just like to remind everybody that i’ve been saying all season long that Teo is absurdly overrated, and there’s no way in hell he should be a top 10 pick. I WIN!!!!
    Once again: 4 tackles per game, no forced fumbles, no sacks. Not good.

    • Cranky M

      I would also remind everybody that i said all season that RG3 will never be able to make it through a full NFL season healthy, but i don’t want to press my luck.,…

    • alexb

      u were 100% right about Teo. If he was “schemed” into a bad game I’d still cut him some slack, but he had dude’s dead to rights and still missed the tackle. He couldn’t move laterally off the center either. I get it sometimes a guy gets you good, and Jones is a projected 1st round pick….but Teo never got off him, not once.

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