Cleveland Frowns on 2-part WFNY Podcast

by Cleveland Frowns on January 25, 2013

So this is something extra fun for a Friday. Last night our old friend Craig Lyndall of Waiting for Next Year graciously hosted me on what turned out to be a 2-part WFNY podcast. This link will take you to the cast (along with a really nice writeup from Craig (except that he calls you guys “rabid fans” LOL)), and you can download it on iTunes by following this link here.

The conversation ranges from lawn darts to Kanicki’s phenomenal Art Modell takedown with just the right amount Mangini talk and all kinds of compellingly awkward subject changes in between. The only regrets for now are that I didn’t bring a second bottle of wine, and also that I was too shy about how right I was  about Holmgren from the beginning, but if I should have more, let me know as always, as well as about whatever else you think in the comments here and/or at the WFNY post linked above.

 

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In other news, Who Dat gon’ have a new favorite NFC team? Could Mangini to the Saints as defensive coordinator possibly make more sense?

And since the subject of the phenomenal Frowns community is at issue today, here’s a good look back at an especially good day in the comments here (which also has important Mangini-related implications as well, as luck would have it).

Here’s an excellent read from Zac Jackson, who’s in Mobile, Alabama this week covering the Senior Bowl, “the latest (and probably fanciest) edition of what’s undoubtedly the best of the postseason all-star games.” Phil Savage is in charge this year. What could possibly go wrong?

And finally, just a reminder to please RSVP for our Super Bowl party, which is shaping up to be the real jumpoff with two Cheddar Bay finalists and no less than 6 Cheddar Bay participants already confirmed to be in attendance, along with tens of other luminaries. Frowns post with details here; facebook page here; which is all for this week here.

We’ll be back Sunday for the traditionial Pro Bowl wagering post. Hope everyone’s weekend gets off to a decent start in the meantime.

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

    I just want to make clear, I know Craig meant well when he wrote that, but there are no fans here. This here is family, as well as part of a community around Cleveland, Browns and things of which this site is just one outpost. That’s all.

    And congrats to Shurmurball for winning Grantland’s Worst Coach of the Year award: http://t.co/V5t9vzFj h/t @B0BMartin

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

    PS: If anyone can come up with any reason why the Saints won’t be in the Super Bowl with Mangini as DC next year, I’m all ears.

    • bupalos

      Salary Cap. They need to hire a salary cap expert like the Browns.

      • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

        Damn you, bup, come up off whatever Wheaties you’ve been mainlining this week.

        • bupalos

          You just have to let it run its course.
          Anon, as patient as the morning dove
          When golden couplets it hath then disclosed
          My silence shall sit drooping

      • actovegin1armstrong

        Bupa,
        You know I love you, but not in that way….
        “Not that there is anything wrong with that.”
        I recently realized that I love kids. I would never have expected that. Please bring the Bupettes!
        An ex-fiance from long ago has a wonderful little girl and the little monkey is the love of my life. A 22 month old little minion of mayhem. It makes me laugh when people say “she has your beautiful blue eyes”. She has tequila shot buyers blue eyes, but that is not important. “Kid friendly” means, it is time to be real people.
        Is there any chance of meeting a Bupa or four?

        • bupalos

          I’m expecting not to make it, but it will depend on events yet to be delivered.

          Believe me the reason is WAYYY better than this lame “I don’t want to buy a plane ticket and fly all the way across the country” crap. Wouldn’t miss the chance to meet the kind of crazy you represent for much less than what it is.

    • nj0

      Goodell’s feud towards the Saints backed a media dedicated to poisoning the well against Mangini?

      • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

        This is the top one that I can think of, yes.

    • actovegin1armstrong

      Mangenius can not help the lowly Aints.
      The Saints could never win a SuperBowl.
      They do not have a legitimate Franchise Quarterback.
      Drew Brees is too short to be successful in the NFL. Just like that Russell Wilson kid. (Yes I am still angry about that one.)

  • Warburton MacKinnon

    Have to figure the second comment comes out of part 2 of the podcast..or a diffrent post on his site. If I still lived in town or could be there I would RSVP for the party on SB sunday. Otherwise,you two sure talked past eachother a lot, in part 1. I mean it seemed you both talked about something other than what the one was talking about. Interesting even though it was disjointed.

  • http://twitter.com/nmesha Nick

    I would really like to meet everyone, but I will be on a flight back from Denver during the Super Bowl.

    Brian Westbrook was pretty damn solid with Mcnabb back in the day. Was that who you were trying to think of during the podcast? He won me a few fantasy leagues.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      Come for the after party. It’s 15 mins from the airport. No excuses.
      Yes, the answer was Westbrook. 9 one-hundredeths of a Cheddar point for you, per The Exec Comm.

  • nj0

    Even though I can’t make it since I’m out of state, can I still be a luminary?

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      HELL TO THE NO. All Politricks is Local.
      Relatedly, eagerly anticipating GRR’s reply so as to have three confirmed finalists in the building. We know where he lives. Or at least the general vicinity.

      • nj0

        Boo! Dreaded down vote deployed.

        • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

          HOUSTON’S NOT THAT FAR, MAN. One would think you’d be greatful for an excuse to escape the godforsaken swamp.

          • nj0

            If I was the type of man who had the resources to be able to afford plane tickets at a moments notice, it would be a no-brainer.

            And in my defense, the last time I was in Cleveland I made a special pilgrimage to the Map Room just to see the space where the true Cleveland elite do their thinking and drinking.

          • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

            Wait you were at Map Room and didn’t call????!?!?!?!?!!?!?@!@!@!@!!!!!!!!

          • nj0

            Well, this was back when I was more of a lurker than a willing participant here.

            I’m not helping myself much here, am I? This is why the 5th amendment exists.

          • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

            You’re doing just fine. Can I get you some water? Or do you want to tell us more about this lurking first?

          • actovegin1armstrong

            It cost me $250 dollars less to fly out of IAH, (Intergalactic Airport Houston), than to fly out of Austin.
            I will have to start my drive at 4am, but that is no big deal, there will be plenty of time to sleep when we are dead.

        • Believelander

          off topic, the new Disqus needs a plugin so you can see who voted on your comments like the old Disqus. That way I can find out who downvoted me and put my makeup on.

    • Believelander

      LOL if it was the good old days I’d ask my mother to book you a free plane ticket.

      • nj0

        Man, the good old days were awesome.

        • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

          Here here for the good old days.

        • Believelander

          Yeah, thanks to Big Business, travel agency isn’t the business it used to be, and she doesn’t rack up insane numbers of airline miles anymore. Here here for Big Busi-..wait

        • Believelander

          Anyway, I can spring like a 10-dub. Pete’s a Lawyer, I bet you could get him for at least 12. How expensive could a plane ticket be, really?

          • Warburton MacKinnon

            A couple of hundred dollars or more,depending what day you buy it and wether or not you buy it weeks in advance or on short notice.

  • SeattleBrownsFan

    I’m just glad Craig referred to us a “rabid” instead of “ribald”. although now that I think about it…

    • bupalos

      I just don’t know how he found out about the rabies. That thing with the coon was 4 years ago and I haven’t mentioned it to practically anyone.

    • Believelander

      I bet that chick over there could really go for some rabid dog meat!

      • SeattleBrownsFan

        I bet she hasn’t had any in a coon’s age!

  • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

    the teddy bridgewater reference, i think, sailed into the ether during the podcast. never fear, all your cheddars got it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1kbBmlAvdI PML

    Skype my ass in this time. Literally, just my ass. I will chug a Zima or O’Douls with the whole lot of ya.

    • CleveLandThatILove

      Halftime show on my iPad for sure. Who needs Beyonce? Let us know if that times up OK for you and your good side.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1kbBmlAvdI PML

        That could work!

    • http://twitter.com/ChrisInCLE Chris Mc

      I’m… Maybe I’m reading this wrong. Did you just say you will buttchug a Zima on Skype?

      • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

        Would seem to violate the ‘kid friendly’ policy.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1kbBmlAvdI PML

        If you've got a better way to ingest Zima, I'm all ears.

        • actovegin1armstrong

          PML, There you have it, your ears.

      • Beeej

        I’m sure it tastes the same either way. I cut my underage drinking teeth on Zima back in 8th grade. Good times.

        • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

          Those weren’t $5-per-pop Frowner specials by chance, were they? “Stop with the bitching. This is how much they cost at Blossom and you wouldn’t even be allowed to buy them there if you wanted to.”

          • Beeej

            The only Frowner special I remember is the, “Here is $20. I’ll take a 12 of Bud Ice.” Frowner returns from the store, “They didn’t have Bud Ice, so I got you Nati light. No change.”

          • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

            You got a hell of a deal!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1kbBmlAvdI PML

            Geez – he could have at least sprung for Beast Ice. Very suspect.

          • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

            They didn’t have it!

        • actovegin1armstrong

          Wow Beej!!!!
          You are a puppy.
          Will you be at the Frownie Superbowl Fest?
          There is much you need to learn about what you actually did and the lies you tell.

    • Believelander

      Did a Yinzer sneeze on you or like… bite you… the last time you were there?

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1kbBmlAvdI PML

        I tried skyping at the last soirée but was very unsuccessful.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1kbBmlAvdI PML

        I tried skyping at the last soirée but was very unsuccessful.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1kbBmlAvdI PML

        I tried skyping at the last soirée but was very unsuccessful.

  • actovegin1armstrong

    Frownie, you should have taken a bottle of MD 20/20 to follow the highfalutin stuff.

  • MichaelTheRed

    ahhh no hybrid for the browns afterall….so Chuds is blowin it out the b-hole already. There will be no gradual change either, Sheard is gone now for sure.

    • bee cee

      i don’t know why people automatically assume that; just about every scouting website i’ve looked at projected sheard as an undersized 4-3 DE or a rush linebacker in a 3-4. however, i expect that the rusty fu- er, frosty rucker is gone.but he was a FA and didn’t cost us a draft pick anyway.while i expect us to draft a future OLB, i expect us to pursue to signing one as a FA as a stop gap; the steelers kept woodley on the bench, and worilds has been groomed since 2010 to replace harrison. i don’t think it’s realistic to expect a player drafted as a OLB for a 3-4 to make a impact as a rookie. matthews was one, but he also played in a 3-4 alignment at USC.

      • MichaelTheRed

        cause he’s not 250 anymore….he’s put on a considerable amount of weight to fit the 4-3 DE spot better. I think he’s still listed at his old college weight but when you see him on the sideline it’s clear he’s 270+. Not saying he couldn’t lose weight and play OLB but we see how that worked out with Freeney. And from what it sounds like what Horton wants to do is move to an outright 3-4 which means 4 regular LB’ers, no hybrid OLB. Unless I’m reading that wrong, I thought he specifically stated no hybrid scheme.
        What sucks is if we kept the 4-3 we could just draft Milner but now it looks like they have to go after LB’ers.

      • Believelander

        Frostee Rucker was a relatively quality rotational piece in that defensive line. The problem with switching Sheard to OLB is the problem with most conversion ends and why they wash out: if they can’t cover the pass effectively and their only skill is rushing, you’re lying to yourself about being in 3-4. Because the only job he can do effectively is a 4-3 rush end’s job, you still have 4 linemen in, one of them is just standing up and getting his lid blown off by Vernon Davis any average tight end whenever he’s put in coverage.

        The compound of this problem is that you have also invalidated the core of the 3-4: the enigma. If on 90% of your plays, they know where your fourth rusher is coming from, it neutralizes the advantage that 3-4 sets have in a standard 4 man rush of being able to obfuscate how the offense should set up its blocking schemes to avoid a free runner getting into the backfield.

        In reality, the Browns deciding to arbitrarily switch to a 3-4 now makes little sense; a better move is to fit the scheme to the personnel for now and switch your defensive draft and FA priority to acquiring what you need to make a 3-4 work: nasty linebackers, as many as you can stuff in your depth chart.

        As an addendum, I’d like to add an example: the Dallas Cowboys’ monster ‘linebacker’ DeMarcus Ware HAS developed some coverage skills as the years wore on, but for most of his veteran career, he’s spent the vast majority of downs trying to kill quarterbacks. Watching a lot of Cowboys this past season, I noticed a recurring pattern – offenses were so relatively certain that Ware was going to rush on almost every down (so what’s the difference from a 4-3 set?) that when Rob Ryan popped the rabbit out of the hat on occasional likely short passing situations and actually dropped him into flat coverage, quarterbacks failed time and again to read him in the flat pre or post snap. I can think of 3 instances off the top of my head where Ryan dropped Ware into the flat on the quarterback’s non blindside and they still threw the ball right at his face trying to hit a dumpoff pass.

        This isn’t a good thing – the reason qbs aren’t accounting for him is because they’re working from the sensible assumption that he won’t be covering passes in the flat because he’ll be coming for their soul/blood.

        In conclusion, if you’re going to switch Sheard to a rush OLB who rushes the vast majority of the time, just leave his knuckle down because otherwise you’re working with scheme concepts built on the assumption that he’s going to be linebacking like the rest of the linebackers. The only way this works efficiently is if Sheard can sufficiently absorb the additional complexities and skills related to the new position in 1 offseason. IMO, instead of lying to yourself, work on teaching him and give him game experience utilizing those skills. Dunking defensive ends into new positions and telling them to swim reeks of not being concerned with winning in the short term.

        • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

          +1 x1000.

        • bupalos

          I agree sheard is the wildcard here. But I’m not sure how much more clear the regime can be that they are easing into this and planning on running a mix in the end. If Sheard can’t cover, then we’ll see more 4-3 sets. It’s not like our roster is so full of quality that we need to worry about the extra spots we carry to maintain the flexibility.

          I’d also say that IF Sheard was a rush 3-4 LB (as he was projected from the draft and may be) then looking at our personnel I would say a 3-4 or 4-3 was equally appropriate.

          And I’ll say again, everyone will be running everything within 5 years. Football like everything else evolves towards complexity.

          • alexb

            Horton: “It’ll be a 3-4 defense, the same defense we ran (in Arizona),” Horton told 910 AM in Arizona. “It won’t be a hybrid unless you’re playing golf.”

            Chud:the Browns will run both the 3-4 and 4-3, more of a hybrid of the two fronts

            Both statements were made within a short time of each other. So you tell me what this means cause I”m lost.

        • Butzmark

          Check out James Harrison’s pass defense skills and see if you think Sheard can’t deal with that.

          • alexb

            Can’t say i’ve payed attention a whole lot to what Harrison does in coverage but it seems to me he squats down in the zone and tries to decapitate anyone that dares cross infront of him with the ball. It’s not as if that isn’t effective, but can he actually stay with TE’s or does Lebeau just scheme him well in coverage?

        • alexb

          This x 1000000 Somebody understands defense’s.

  • Chris P.

    Regarding “and things”

    In 2000 and 2002 i was a republican too. we ALL make mistakes

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