New York state legislature passes 2-year moratorium on key Jimmy Haslam-related activity

by Cleveland Frowns on March 11, 2013

Per EcoWatch, “the New York State Assembly has passed a two-year moratorium on hydraulic fracturing or fracking, the toxic horizontal drilling process through which oil and gas is procured that’s found within shale rock basins across the country and the world,” with the State Senate expected to follow.

While this is an extremely encouraging development for people who like things like unpoisoned water and air, and dislike things like earthquakes of unprecedented frequency and magnitude, any moratorium on fracking is of course bad news for Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam. Remember, Haslam recently made a remarkable scene by stepping down from and then shortly reassuming the helm of his family’s business, the sixth largest corporation in the U.S., Pilot Flying J, a gas station company that last September completed a purchase of Maxum Petroleum, “the No. 1 supplier to the drilling and fracking [industries] in the country.”

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Upon becoming the fracking industry’s top fuel supplier, Haslam told Plain Dealer editors and reporters that, “the [fracking] boom taking place in the country excites him on several levels,” the most important such level apparently being “the effect that cheap shale gas could have on the country’s competitiveness.”

“If you’re in the manufacturing business, the U.S. used to be looked at as a high-cost provider,” Haslam said. “If your biggest cost was energy, all of a sudden, we’re the low-cost producer.”

Yet in all of this multi-leveled excitement about fracking, Haslam expresses no reservations at all about whether or on what terms shale gas should ever be something that’s made available “cheaply,” or whether any “competition” that depends primarily on shale gas being “cheap” is one that anyone should be worried about winning as opposed to, say, shutting down as completely and quickly as possible.

It’s probably impossible to understate the significance of the contrast here. On one side you have Truck Stop Jimmy, the newly minted “owner” of the State of Ohio’s most beloved brand name in the Cleveland Browns, cheerleading the fracking industry without restraint, mainly by way of unreserved reference to “cheap gas,” and “competitiveness.” On the other there’s the legislative arm of the third-most-populous state in the union fully banning the industry from operating within its borders until more can be learned about its impact on the environment and human health.

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As for what’s in between here, start with this must read account by Philip Doe at EcoWatch of the battle in Colorado between the fracking industry and Colorado citizens, and see if you can come away with any conclusion but that Haslam and his cohorts are on the wrong side of the exploitation of deregulation at its absolute worst, aggressively pulling Ohio and the country toward what might well be the “the greatest intergenerational environmental injustice of all time.”

If that all sounds unnecessarily hyperbolic, it should help to note that the fracking industry took off with the passage of the 2005 Energy Act, “written only two years after the first horizontally fracked well was successfully drilled … widely reported to have been written by the industry in the comfort of Vice President Dick Cheney’s office … the culmination of a 40-year oil industry lobbying effort in Washington to exempt the industry from practically every foundational health and environmental law on the books.”

From there it might be enough to observe that in one short year the fracking industry brought Mahoning County, Ohio its first eleven earthquakes of magnitude 2.0 or higher since 1776, but either way, at this point it’s clear enough that unprecedented deregulation has allowed for corporations to manipulate environmental resources for profit without a scientific (let alone a political) consensus that they aren’t doing irretrievable damage in the process.

In fact, as set forth in detail in Doe’s EcoWatch piece, much evidence is to the contrary.

“Air and water quality issues are so ubiquitous in areas invaded by the industry that summarizing is difficult,” Doe says. “Most astonishing, however, is that neither Colorado nor the U.S. has undertaken a systematic examination of the thousands of citizen complaints … run[ning] from skin rashes, to open sores, to nose bleeds, to stomach cramps, to loss of smell, to swollen and itching eyes, to despondency and depression, even death.”

Doe cites a number of studies by universities and governmental agencies that connect fracking sites with air and water pollution, including the prevalence, “up to .7 of a mile from [well sites],” of pollutants “known to impact the brain and nervous systems [and] even known to harm the hormonal system of unborn babies.”

This also includes a study “that figured prominently” in the New York moratorium, one by the Colorado School of Public Health (CSPH), commissioned by Colorado’s Garfield County, “home to roughly 10,000 oil and gas wells”:

Among the findings were high levels of benzene, a known carcinogen, at and near well sites. In fact, the assessment states that even at distances of 2,700 feet from a well site, toxic chemicals were still detectable at levels that would increase the chance of developing cancer by 66 percent based on published health standards.

Which is all, of course, the tip of the melting iceberg given that the Haslam’s are pushing a fracking boom at a time when “every major national science academy in the world [is reporting] that global warming is real, caused mostly by humans, and requires urgent action,” with ”global concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere hav[ing] reached 394 parts per million, up from 280 ppm before the Industrial Revolution and the highest levels seen in at least 800,000 years.” Scientists at Oxford have calculated that “the world needs to begin reducing emissions by roughly 2.5 percent per year, starting now.” But despite these warnings and countless others, things are moving full steam in the opposite direction, with carbon emissions having “hit a new record this past year, increasing 3 percent to 34.7 billion metric tons of CO2 and other greenhouse gases,” and the natural gas boom having killed the economic viability of the development of clean and renewable fuel sources.

If this was a world where the media wasn’t completely broken, it would be front page news every time a fracking machine pumped an inch without these safety issues having been resolved by way of both scientific and popular political consensus. But here, Truck Stop Jimmy just says, “cheap gas, we win” to the Plain Dealer and everybody turns the page.

It’s some coincidence that Haslam made his move to buy the Browns at the same time that Ohio was becoming known as Ground Zero in America’s “fracking free-for-all,” a dumping ground for fracking waste-water from other states.

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Anyway, it’s good to see that some politicians somewhere are doing their jobs. Do read the whole piece on Colorado’s struggle at EcoWatch, and here’s one on efforts to stem fracking in Ohio.

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  • BIKI024

    Andrew Cuomo for President in 2016

  • BIKI024

    the thing about this moratorium is not that they intend to stop fracking altogether, their intention is to solidify the regulations as well as set up an infrastructure to monitor drilling companies. at this stage many of the dangers listed above seem to be more related to bad practices by many of the drilling companies, so this is a good thing overall, but not sure it really hurts Haslam as his firm will probably be one of the guys getting contacts in NY after moratorium is lifted, since most of these smaller drilling companies may not have the resources to be compliant with the state in a couple years. the rich will still get richer.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      I don’t think you can be so sure about what’s going to happen at the end of the moratorium, especially if Cuomo is the leader you make him out to be.

      Anyway, nobody’s saying the war is over, and nothing changes that:

      Fracking moratoriums > Fracking free-for-alls

      NY Legislature > Ohio Legislature

      Truck Stop Jimmy < Pretty much everybody

      • BIKI024

        yes in this particular piece of legislation it seems to be the case that NY Legislature > Ohio Legislature, but Albany is notoriously known for it’s cronyism, so we’ll see how this plays out. my guess is that the rich will just get richer, including Haslam after the moratorium. but yes, the free-for-alls is a disgrace and every state should have a moratorium, maybe even a federal moratorium but it doesn’t seem like that’s on Pres. Obama’s agenda, quite the opposite it seems.

    • bupalos

      I won’t get into how many of the problems we’re seeing now are related to bad practices and how many are inherent to the activity, but suffice it to say when you have to pump billions upon billions of gallons of already toxic water through radioactive shale layers, you’re going to be hard pressed to find any “best practice” that doesn’t have huge and horrible environmental impacts built in.

      I also wouldn’t count on the climate for fracking in NY being somehow better in 2 years. Industry has to this point been very successful in covering it’s tracks, but month by month the data points pile up.

  • BigDigg

    Seriously depressing stuff. It’s almost as if humanity has reached a foregone conclusion that we’re royally screwed with global warming, so what the hell, might as well get in now while the gettin is good. Future be damned regardless.

    I just pray that the cancer this stuff will eventually cause me holds out long enough for me to look my future grandson in the eyes (all 6 of them on his three heads) and apologize for our generations complete and epic failure.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      If anything approximating “humanity” had reached this conclusion and not the six or so people that actually got us here, I might feel a lot better about it.

  • dubbythe1

    so the comment from my phone never posted, here it is from my best recollection plus a little more since we have a little bit more discussion now..

    At least my state is getting something right (at least in the interim) but as others have stated, this only slows, not stops the fracking train. News last week was potential fracking in the finger lakes (conesus, hemlock two of the smaller ones) and while on a wine tour in the seneca lake area I pondered the effect of fracking on the grape crops and subsequently the wonderful wines produced in this area. At the best you have a ruined industry and at the worst you have a sci-fi zombie epidemic from tainted wine.

    My second conjecture (although I do have evidence to support this) is Superfan’s endorsement of Cuomo. Although he may be championing this two year moratorium (this is my unsupported part and where Biki is totally correct: he is probably buying time for his guys to get a foothold in the frack-game), this son_of_a_much_better_governor is rolling all around NYS pushing CASINOS FOR EVERYONE as if it will be of such economic boon that cash will rain down from the heavens as if reality were a lottery commercial.

    Either way, I know with these two issues, the continued pushing of mega tax breaks for corporations that can straddle the bureaucratic hoops and the insanely high tax rate for those that cannot (which drives revenue out of state), a grossly overpaid and over saturated public sector, and goodness knows what other issues whitewashed from the public through sensational journalism, lack of educated constituents, and a blatant neglect of the freedom of information act, this state will soon be a most horrible place to live, raise a family, or try to make a living for the majority already stuck in this hamster wheel of capitalism at is illuministic finest.
    Now if I cant incite a discussion from this that will be fun and engaging for all, then I will reserve myself to Browns fun only, no incriminating Heat Snuggie Pics needed Frowns!

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      I wouldn’t be discouraged by the lack of response. There’s just not much here to argue with.

      I would say, though, that it’s hard to blame Cuomo on the casino thing with so much of the rest of America fully in a dead sprint in that race to the bottom.

      Double like for “son_of_a_much_better_governor.”

  • BIKI024

    Kyrie out 3-4 weeks, i.e done for the season. no shot Cavs go 11-8 the rest of the way, under is a LOCK. Now let’s stay in the Top 5 slot for lotto and hope Lakers make the playoffs and we’re looking at a Top 5 and 15th-18 pick again (i.e Waters and Zeller)

    • Jim

      Hoopshype has Noel somehow falling to Cavs at four. Don’t see that happening, but would take any of the Porter, Shabazz, or Bennett trio as well if the Cavs get the fourth pick.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      So much for Biki Sweats. Post updated.

  • p_forever

    this is a good resource re the no fracking movement in ohio – http://chej.org/nofracking/

    i wish i could say sherrod brown was part of it, but he is decidedly wishy washy on the issue (except to say that he is pro more stringent regulation of the waste water and better protection of ground water in areas where fracking is allowed). bob hagan, (democrat, youngstown) is all over the issue. all politricks is local, for sure.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      Sad re: Sherrod. I wonder what’s going on there.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      Ugh, Mandel attacked him for not being “pro-fracking” enough and it worked?

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      “The relatively sudden appearance of a domestic drilling industry has given oil and gas companies a chance to recast the perennial debate over energy production. Today, discussions over energy don’t just center on environmental worries and national security concerns, but also include the potent issue of job creation. In economically struggling places like Ohio and Pennsylvania, domestic energy production could be a wedge issue that splits the traditional Democratic constituencies of trade unionists and environmentalists—and helps deliver more seats to the fossil fuel-friendly GOP.

      “If you go into certain regions of Pennsylvania, like out in the
      southwest for example, you get strong support from unions, business, Democrats and Republicans for the natural gas industry,” says Terry Madonna, political science professor at Franklin and Marshall College. “The environmental community is deeply concerned about chemical disclosures, air and water pollution.”

      A good example of this wedge effect is the heated race for Ohio’s U.S. Senate seat occupied by Sherrod Brown, a Democrat fighting for re-election against Republican Josh Mandel, the Ohio state treasurer. Brown, who has a reputation as one of the Senate’s most progressive members, is struggling to avoid being outflanked on the drilling issue. “Energy is about jobs to me,” Brown has said. But Mandel keeps hammering him on the issue. In a December op-ed in The Wall Street Journal, the Republican challenger accused Brown of siding “with Washington bureaucrats and fringe extremists in the attacks on our natural resources.” http://ecowatch.org/2012/money-in-politics-fracking-debate/

  • BIKI024

    Looks like Kasich wants to double-dip and generate some revenue for the State of Ohio as well.. if you can’t beat em, you might as well tax em: http://www.ohio.com/news/two-key-ohio-republicans-oppose-kasich-s-tax-proposal-on-drilling-1.380237

  • maxfnmloans

    Fracking bad. On this we can agree. However I’m not sure we should immediately assume the only reason Haslam bought the Browns was because of fracking. My guess is he had already indicated to the NFL that he wanted to buy a team (any team) and when Randy privately told the league that he was interested in selling, they played the matchmaker. Had it been the Vikings, or Jaguars, I’m sure Haslam would have bought them, and then tried to frack Minnesota or Florida.

    Anyhow, I dont think Haslam was necessarily being disingenuous. I think you can say theres a correlation between him buying the Browns and then wanting to frack Ohio, but I don’t think you can say his desire to frack Ohio was the causation of his purchase of the Browns. For whatever thats worth.

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      “I don’t think you can say his desire to frack Ohio was the causation of his purchase of the Browns.

      OK, well I’m much more sure that you can’t disprove the proposition. Like I said, some coincidence.

      • jpftribe

        I would really like to be able to argue the other side if this, but can’t. You don’t wake up one morning and decide to go buy a company. This was planned many many months, if not years in advance.

        This is a really tough dilemma. How can you in good conscience separate the institution from the ownership? I don’t think that morally you can. It’s just a rationalization.

        • bupalos

          I can, to some extent, because I don’t believe in ownership of public institutions. I consider myself more an owner of the Browns than Jimmy Haslem.

          Personally I’ve come to consider it a slight positive that this guy has a billion dollars tying him up here. When you open a channel like that, the pressure ultimately can go both ways. I think fracking is on a fast track version of big tobacco’s path.

          • jpftribe

            I like the line of thought and would agree I have more emotionally vested than Jimmy. But it works both ways. Witha cool billion on the line, he can always pick up his toys and go home. We’ve seen that movie before…

    • bupalos

      It’s not provable, of course. But the coincidence runs a little deeper. He bought into the Steelers when Marcellus was the fracking frontier, then sold out and bought the browns as the Utica becomes the new front line.

      Now obviously the opportunity has to be there to begin with. But I can’t think of a more profitable way to buy influence into a regions’ politics (especially regions like Ohio and Pennsylvania) than controlling sports teams.

      • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

        See e.g. Dan Gilbert. I think it’s pretty safe to say there’s no way the casino amendment would have passed if not for Gilbert having owned the Cavs during the LeBron golden years.

        • BIKI024

          he might’ve put them over the hump but the pro-casino movement has been pushed by Ohio Dems for years, not to mention the domino effect of legalized gambling across the country, notwithstanding the financial doldrums the state has been in recent years. Even your favorite new state legislature, including Gov Andrew Cuomo are HUGE proponents of casinos in NY. So i guess Cuomo didn’t sellout for fracking but was bought by the Dan Gilberts of the world for gambling.

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

    “In the past four years the oil and gas industry has given more than
    $200,000 to Kasich, making him the state’s top recipient of campaign
    contributions from oil and gas companies. Since 2001, Kasich received
    more than twice as much money from fossil fuel interests as any other
    state office holder. For the industry, this is money well spent. Soon after taking office in January 2011, Kasich opened 200,000 acres in Ohio’s state parks for drilling and appointed a former oil and gas executive to run the state’s Department of Natural Resources.” http://ecowatch.org/2012/money-in-politics-fracking-debate/

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

    Here’s one from State Rep Bob Hagan that discusses the frackers’ efforts to deny they were the cause of the earthquakes: http://ecowatch.org/2012/fracking-ohio-lack-of-regulation-impact-human-health-and-the-environment/

    And here’s one about how the industry isn’t even required to reveal the chemical composition of what it’s injecting into the ground, thanks to what’s called the “Halliburton Loophole.” http://ecowatch.org/2012/video-testimony-from-ohio-oil-and-gas-industry-on-safety-of-fracking-chemicals/

    • nj0

      Funny how institutions in power use the same damn playbook every time and the general populace seems to fall for it… cigarettes and cancer, energy concerns and global warming, the NFL and brain damage, frackers and earthquakes….

      • NeedsFoodBadly

        if it works…

  • SteamingPileOfCraphonsoThorpe

    So this unholy alliance with Big Frack will result in the following scenario: the 2014 Browns are bleeding the clock in the final minutes of the AFC Championship game, secure with a 24-14 lead over the Andrew Luck-led Indianapolis Colts, Trent Richardson is pounding the rock for 5 yards/carry on his way to a 225-yard day and the exhausted Colts have had enough. The stadium by the lake is rocking, the very foundation is being shaken to the core…until the fans realize that it’s not just their enthusiasm that is causing the structure to tremble! It’s Northeast Ohio’s largest, most violent earthquake IN HISTORY, a 9.2-Richter scale nightmare – fans are panicking, the teams are huddled together in the middle of the field in confusion, steel and concrete are bending, waving, and screaming fit to muffle the sounds of the people crying out to God to save them from this calamity. OH THE HUMANITY!!

    But there will be no salvation on this day, at least not on this side of the mortal coil, as the stadium and surrounding ground slide with a great heave into the frigid late January waters of Lake Erie, Atlantis lost yet again – the greatest, best, and brightest (including many a Frowns commenter) of the the best State in the Union laid low beneath the waves.

    “Vengeance is mine”, saith the Lord.

    THE END

    So, we never make the Super Bowl and some of us pay with our lives, because His Frackness decided to bring his fracking fracker to frack up everything for everyone. Yep, sounds about right.

    • SteamingPileOfCraphonsoThorpe

      Have to admit that typing the words “bleeding the clock in the final minutes of the AFC Championship game” gave me a chill, even though I foresaw the disaster to come.

    • GrandRapidsRustlers

      So…you are telling me if we crank up the fracking we can get to the AFC title game?

      Going to need some time to ponder this.

      (All sarcasm obviously Bupalos can vouch for my anti-fracking stance)

      If you’ll excuse me now I have to head over to make sure that Biki has stopped jumping up and down on the shoulder of Kyrie.

      • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

        #BIKIKILLEDKYRIE

    • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

      I mean, of all the ways to go, I don’t think I can say that’s the worst one. Which means we probably aren’t lucky enough for it to happen.

  • BIKI024

    wow that’s actually not a bad deal at all for Kruger, 5 year $40m, my guess 17m guaranteed with like a $10m cap hit this year? We still got nearly 40m left to spend. should be fun.

    • nj0

      Yah! Something actually happened in Browns world!

  • BIKI024

    re: Krugs, Urban Meyer recruited him as a QB to Utah. This obviously means nothing with regards to whether he was worth the contract he got, but that’s a pretty interesting lil fact. I’m sure we’ll hear some quotes from Urban on the kid.

  • bupalos

    Pretty shocked the Ravens dealt away Boldin, I feel like he was their MVP last year. Unfortunately probably means they are signing Ellerbe.

    Lots to spend, but Ellerbe and Spencer (who got franchised) might have been my top targets.

    • BIKI024

      Ellerbe signs with Miami. wow

      • bupalos

        I didn’t recalculate after Flacco, but couldn’t the Ravens have kept at least one of Ellerbe or Kruger? I’m surprised they let them both walk. That’s a pretty thin lb core now. Richardson should be licking his chops.

        Flipside of the Boldin thing is that you’ve got to think Goldson is out in SF. They were just about maxed out already.

        • BIKI024

          they love Courntey Upshaw, and of course have a lot invested in Suggs.. and have a few other young bodies that they may throw in the fire. I’d have to believe Ozzie has a plan to add to the LB corps through the draft this year, or maybe now that Ellerbe left they go after one of the other FAs. but yeah, they could be looking to address Safety and needed the cap room since they have so little of it.

  • MichaelTheRed

    I’m on the fence with Kruger, who likes him and why? I see him being 18th out of 22 OLB’ers in run defense. He obviously doesn’t cover either so we just got an OLB that “hopefully” will rush the passer as well as he did in Baltimore. I dunno. Kid looks big and strong so why does he get blasted in the run game?

    • BIKI024

      love it. while we probably did have to overspend a bit to get one of hopefully a couple edge passrushers we’ll have on the roster (Kruger, Sheard, and our #1 pick), it was a position of need and we went out and got the best guy available. while it seems like a big contract, I think we were all prepared for a $10-12m per year salary, so not the worst to get him at $8m per, but it’s it’s a relatively cap-friendly contract too, with Haslam’s big pockets allowing us to give him $20m guaranteed and take a little less hit against the cap, even though we still have a ton (roughly $40m left) to fill out the secondary and hopefully Greg Jennings.

      as far as his ratings for rush defense, it seems like an area he will need to improve on, but he’s a young guy who is still relatively green with this past year the first time he was legitimately in the rotation. the kid was recruited as a QB to Utah by Urban Meyer, so you’d have to believe he’s one heckuva athlete to end up being an OLB and by all accounts a first-class locker room guy and extremely hard worker.

      besides, if Jason Pinkston tweets: “Krugar is a beast you can’t take that away from him” then he can’t be all that bad.

      • MichaelTheRed

        So you think we still keep Sheard? I mean he’s not gonna be playing as a 3-4 DL so didn’t Kruger pretty much take his spot?

        • BIKI024

          it seems like it would be smart to keep Sheard, unless we could get a 2nd or 3rd for him. but i guess they believe he can make the switch and play at a high level. but if not they can play him at DE, especially if we go and draft another OLB.

          • MichaelTheRed

            Is he big and strong enough to play DE in the 3-4? Doesn’t the opposite OLB in the 3-4 have to be a little smaller but quicker than the rush OLB? That doesn’t sound like Sheard. So if Milliner comes off the board before the #6 who do we take now? Maybe trade down? I wasn’t all that big on him as an OLB but Hunt could easily put on 15 or so pounds without losing a heck of alot of speed….now you have a guy who could be a serious 34 DL.

          • BIKI024

            he seems to fit what Horton is looking for: “big men who can run” and Jabaal is a big boy with some wheels. then we leave it up to Coach Ray and his staff (and hopefully James Harrison) to teach the guys the system this offseason.

          • MichaelTheRed

            haha, you still want us to pick up James even though we got Kruger? Are there scenarios where both could be on the field at the same time? hell, i’d like to see Harrison just play two games a year for us if nothing else. Keep him in a cage till those two dates come around and the let him out. lmao

          • BIKI024

            wow our DLINE is monstrous after this Desmond Bryant signing. 6’6″ 311, yikes. dude got PAID. 5 year $35m, not sure how much up front.

          • MichaelTheRed

            why did we just do that? did I miss us cutting one of our DL’s? Was another DL a need?

            plus he’s a reknowned problem

          • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

            Have to think he’s going to play end here, no? A Harvard man. Who knew?

          • MichaelTheRed

            he’s comin here for a paycheck cause his agent likely told him no one else was gonna pay him after his mug shot went viral. You remember that? I think he’s the guy that has “literally” the greatest mug shot ever taken.

          • BIKI024

            u can never have enough big men who can run! maybe there’s a trade they have in the works but phil and jabaal , winn and hughes are still on the cheap. we definitiely improved our front line today.

          • bupalos

            I’m about 99% sure we could get a 2nd for Sheard.

          • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

            then we should go to the gettin place.

        • NeedsFoodBadly

          SI seems to think that Kruger will play opposite from Sheard – http://nfl.si.com/2013/03/12/paul-kruger-signs-with-cleveland-browns/?sct=hp_t2_a4&eref=sihp

  • jamick6000

    I didn’t know this about Haslam and fracking! He’s like a Browns season — shittier as time goes on.

  • MichaelTheRed

    http://i.imgur.com/93aiBbq.jpg

    So this guys in Cleveland now. What could possibly end up going wrong here?

  • BIKI024

    renowned problem? he got a $200 fine for drunken disorderly and a classic mugshot. big deal. dude had a 4.2 gpa and 1300 sat in high school to get into Harvard, he can’t be nearly as stupid as he looks.

    jimmy kimmel made that little video with his mugshot a few weeks ago.

    this was a huge get for the Brownies, lot of teams were after Bryant. we are stacked up front. wow.

    • MichaelTheRed

      my uncles a huge raider fan and he txted me a few minutes ago saying good riddance. I remember there was something about locker room problems or something with this kid. Not saying he was a murderer but he’s not comin to cleveland to buckle down for us. This kids gonna coast out the rest of his contract in Cleveland, you watch. Get in the big league’s a couple years, make a fat contract or two and you’re set for life. It just really smells like that kind of a situation with him.

      I mean did we move to a 3-4 or not? WHy are we stacking up on the line when we were already stacked there? We needed to land Ellerbe not this goof. We need to find an ILB to play with DQ and we need to land him stat!! There’s no one in the draft unless we’re that stupid that we’re gonna take Teo at 6.

      • BIKI024

        yeah because 4.2 gpa in high school with an academic scholarship at harvard has slacker low character guy written all over him. let’s hope the coaches and other vets in the locker room keep the guy focused. he certainly woulndn’t be the first guy to get paid and fall off but until he disappoints i really don’t see the point in assuming the worst and even going as far as already calling him out to be a bum. sheesh

        • MichaelTheRed

          according to my uncle who is raider nation cert there were problems, I dunno. Dude certainly didn’t look like he was taking his recent transgression seriously was he? I mean he ddin’t do anything terrible but at the same time you’re about to be a free agent lookin for money and you go and do the same stupid sht that guys from “The U” get banked on for doing all the time. So his GPA and Harvard scholarship in the end don’t mean much do they? My god if that was any of us we’d be pretty fcking contrite and not making an a-hole of ourselves. Does that mug shot not clearly scream immature overpaid overhyped pro athlete to you?

      • BIKI024

        as of now this is how our starting front 7 looks. not bad

        DE: Bryant
        NT: Taylor
        DE: Rubin
        OLB: Kruger
        ILB: D’Qwell
        ILB: JMJ
        OLB: Sheard

        • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

          With Billy Winn able to rotate at DT and DE, and Rubin interchangeable at both positions as well. Don’t think anyone’s sure about Sheard at OLB, but I’m sure it will get due consideration. Gocong is still there, though. Now I want to know more about which of the OLB/end types at the top of the draft fit best as a 3-4 OLB. Or two top-7 cornerback selections in three years?

          • MichaelTheRed

            You’re not suggesting we still go after an OLB in the 1st round are you?

          • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com/ Cleveland Frowns

            Hell, I don’t know. Who do you think they should take now?

          • MichaelTheRed

            well honestly I was hoping they’d take one of the OLB prospects but since we’re done with that, Milliner obviously. He’ll almost for sure be there as well as everyone infront of us is likely going Oline and Dline. No question Milliner, unless we land a big free agent corner than, well….trade down and get more picks in the coming years.

        • jpftribe

          Add Qunitin Groves into the mix now. Rather have him than Gocong. They are not messing around up front. Gotta go secondary in the draft.

  • Bevilacqua

    Everybody should watch ‘Gasland’ if they haven’t already. Josh Fox, the writer and director of the documentary, was actually arrested in February of 2012 when trying to film a House of Representatives subcommittee hearing on fracking for the follow-up movie. All Congressional hearings are open to the public, by the way, and ‘anyone with a cell pone camera can record the proceedings’ (http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/01/local/la-me-gs-gasland-director-fox-arrested-filming-house-subcommittee-20120201).

  • BIKI024

    i haven’t seen any reports of problems in any scouting report about him except for this last transgression of his down in Miami. Frankly, I’m not sure if you’ve kicked it in Miami before, but it’s an easy place to catch a buzz. obviously the camera caught him at a weird angle in his mug shot, it happens, haven’t u ever been to mugshots.com? i mean it was a drunken disorderly, big deal. i’m confident that the Browns were satisfied with their due dilligence, especiallu after watching his tape. maybe you should as well, you might actually even get excited about him being on the team, as terrible as that it seems it may be for you.

    • MichaelTheRed

      It sounded like my uncle was talking about locker room issues, I dunno…I never heard of the guy prior to the mugshot. I mean I sure hope he’s not an a-hole. And the camera did not catch him at no weird angle, he was making that face on purpose dude. Lol. I think he made it in more than one picture so that was no “weird angle”, lmao. Who knows maybe he’s a clown and the lockerroom loves him, that’s what I’m hoping. Still scratching my head though about getting a DL in free agency who’s likely not gonna see too much playing time barring injury. What I wanna hear though is that we threw a ton of cash at Ellerbe for sure and maybe also wallace before they were like hey I know lets get another d tackle we don’t have enough of those. lol

  • jpftribe

    Any links to cap hits for these signings yet? I’m with Kanick and still want to see them sign Lewis iat corner.

    • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

      hah, all quiet on the CB front. toler was signed and that’s all i’ve seen. you’ve got winfield available, nnamdi (do not want), the revis saga (do not want). a crazy list of CBs still out there.

      i’m starting to think the browns may play hard ball on FA CBs with an eye toward filling that slot in the draft. assuming milliner is gone, i *guessing* they may have their eyes on xavier rhodes from fsu.

      • jpftribe

        On the list of top 10,000 people you would hire to consult on NFL talent, I would rank about 257,345th, but man it would feel good to take Lewis away from the steelheads.

        I really like these signings. Lombardi is putting his balls out there and it’s obvious Horton has not been shy in getting what he wants.

        I just hope the first pick isn’t Geno Smith.

        • https://twitter.com/jimkanicki jimkanicki

          there’s a lot of options.

          what’s interesting is that it appears the browns now have trade-back partners: the bills now need geno as do the cards; the fins now need a LT (fisher/johnson/fluker).

          browns _could possibly_ trade back with either team, grab a CB (rhodes?) or OG (cooper?) AND pick up maybe a 2nd rounder with which to grab a TE (ertz?) or FS (reid?).

          it could really break out nicely.

          • bupalos

            Yeah, I was initially a little confused with seemingly filling what looked like our best draft slot options with FA. But you can see how this could turn out pretty sweet.

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